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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) assassinated President John F. Kennedy (JFK), shot and killed Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT), wounded Texas Governor John B. Connally (JBC) and attempted to kill retired General Edwin Walker. The evidence supporting these claims is absent from the WC’s twenty-six volumes of exhibits and testimony however, therefore, this has left many questions for us today. I have asked so many questions in this series already, and now it is time for more.
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Did the Dallas Police Department (DPD) have knowledge of LHO prior to the assassination?
The thought definitely crossed the minds of the WC members as both DPD Chief Jesse Curry and Homicide Captain Will Fritz were questioned about this during their testimonies.
Mr. MCCLOY - While we are waiting for Mr. Rankin to continue his examination, let me ask you this question, Chief.
Did you, prior to the assassination, know or hear of Oswald?
Mr. CURRY - Never.
Mr. MCCLOY - Didn't hear that he had been--there was a defector named Oswald in the city of Dallas?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir.
Mr. MCCLOY - Never heard of his name?
Mr. CURRY - We didn't have it in our files.
Representative FORD - Was there anything in your files that Lee Harvey Oswald had been involved with the Dallas police force?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir.
Representative FORD - No record whatsoever?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir.
Mr. DULLES - Was there any record of his having made a trip to the Soviet Union and returned?
Mr. CURRY - Not in our files.
Mr. DULLES - And returned to Texas?
Mr. CURRY – We didn't have anything in our files regarding Lee Harvey Oswald.
And:
Dulles: Had you or your office, to your knowledge, ever heard of Oswald prior to November 22, 1963?
Fritz: No, sir; I never heard of him, and I don't believe anyone in my office had ever heard of him, because none of them knew him when we got him. That was our first—
Dulles: There are no reports; you found no reports in your files?
Fritz: No, sir. . . . We had no reports on him at all.
These statements indicate that the DPD had no knowledge of LHO prior to the assassination. But how did the unknown officer know where LHO lived when even his wife didn’t?
Mr. BALL. After you had done that what did you do?
Mr. FRITZ. I sent some officers---you mean right at that time? I also sent officers over to the Beckley address, you know, as soon as we got there, I don't believe we had the Beckley address at this part of this question.
Mr. BALL. You didn't have it at that time, did you?
Mr. FRITZ. Not right at this time, but as soon as I got to that address.
Mr. BALL. Yes. What did you do after you had sent the officers to Irving?
Mr. FRITZ. When I started to talk to this prisoner or maybe just before I started to talk to him, some officer told me outside of my office that he had a room on Beckley, I don't know who that officer was, I think we can find out, I have since I have talked to you this morning I have talked to Lieutenant Baker and he says I know maybe who that officer was, but I am not sure yet.
Mr. BALL. Some officer told you that he thought this man had a room on Beckley?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Who was this officer and how did he know where LHO was residing when Curry and Fritz said that the DPD had no knowledge of LHO prior to the assassination? Fritz said that he would find out who this officer was, but if he did accomplish this then it was not shared with us as this information is nowhere in the twenty-six volumes. Why wouldn’t he have gotten this basic information at the time he was given the address by the officer?
We have to then consider the memorandum written by Lieutenant Jack Revill of the Criminal Intelligence Section. This memorandum was written on November 22, 1963, and it was addressed to Captain W.P. Ganaway of the Special Service Bureau. Lt. Revill list another address for LHO on this memorandum – 605 Elsbeth Street. LHO of course had never resided there as he had stayed at 602 Elsbeth Street in late 1962 and early 1963, but this isn’t the issue here. The issue is that the head of the DPD said that they had no knowledge of LHO prior to the assassination and this certainly would entail his places of dwelling.
This even struck the WC as odd and they questioned Revill about this when he appeared before them.
Mr. RANKIN. And the words 605 Elsbeth Street, was that given by you?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; this is the address we were given or I was given by some of the officers involved in the arrest.
Mr. RANKIN. Who gave that to you?
Mr. REVILL. I believe Detective Carroll, Carroll or Detective Taylor, they were both there.
Mr. RANKIN. And was that at the time you made this out that you were given that information?
Mr. REVILL. Shortly before I made this out.
Mr. RANKIN. You didn't even know where he lived then?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; I did not. I had never heard of him .
Mr. RANKIN. You know that is wrong, don't you?
Mr. REVILL. The 605?
Mr. RANKIN. Yes.
Mr. REVILL. I don't know.
Mr. RANKIN. Is it wrong?
Mr. REVILL. Yes; it is.
Mr. DULLES. As of the time.
Mr. REVILL. That is what they gave me.
Mr. RANKIN. You found that out?
Mr. DULLES. This is an address he once lived at.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know that?
Mr. DULLES. This is correct. I want to find out what he knows about it.
Mr. REVILL. Is this a-is this an incorrect address on Mr. Oswald where he was living at the time?
Mr. RANKIN. If you check it up I think you will find--it is an incorrect address at the time. I think you will also find that 602 Elsbeth Street is where he lived at one time.
Mr. REVILL. Now, where they got this address----
Mr. RANKIN. You never checked that?
Mr. REVILL. I personally have not checked it but I am sure it has been checked.
Mr. RANKIN. I see.
Mr. REVILL. But this is the address I was given.
Mr. DULLES. You never ascertained where they got it?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; this might be the address that they got from Oswald, I do not know. I never even thought about it until you brought up the point that this is not the address.
Mr. DULLES. Can you find out where they got this address?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; I can.
Mr. DULLES. I think that would be useful. I would like to know that. I would like to know where they got this address also.
CE 709: historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0261a.htm
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Yes, the address is incorrect, but the main issue is how Detective Carroll or Taylor learned of it so fast when the DPD had no knowledge of LHO supposedly? Revill said that they would have gotten it at the time of the arrest, but LHO was close-lipped in regard to giving out his information. Even if he wasn’t, why would he give them an old incorrect address? This makes no sense.
So who really provided Revill with this information if it wasn’t LHO or the DPD? We don’t know because again like Fritz if he ever did find out it is not included in the twenty-six volumes. Some researchers have posited that it was furnished by military intelligence, but it would have been nice for the WC to have found this out for us.
This same address appears in another report Revill did on November 22 to Captain Gannaway regarding Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) employees. The very first name on the list, and this may confirm that their attention was on him from the beginning, is LHO and the address given is again the 605 Elsbeth Street one.
CE 2003, p. 127: historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0139a.htm
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This report is signed by Detectives Westphal and Parks. Where did they get this address from? Again, we don’t know since they were never asked about it. We can rule out the FBI being the source according to the WC since they wrote that they had no idea regarding LHO’s current address, so how could they know about an old address that was incorrect?
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Speculation. – Dallas Police must have known where Oswald was living in the city because Mrs. Paine had given the address of Oswald’s room on North Beckley Avenue to the FBI some time before the assassination.
Commission finding. – Mrs. Paine had never given the address of Oswald’s roominghouse to the FBI, nor had she known the address prior to the assassination. Therefore, the Dallas police could not have learned the address from the FBI which did not know the address before the assassination. The Dallas Police did not know that Oswald was in the city before the assassination. (WCR, p. 660)
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We see in this blurb that the WC has changed the testimony of Curry and Fritz, which was definitive, to an explanation which is vague. Now, instead of not knowing of LHO at all we see the vague “The Dallas Police did not know that Oswald was in the city before the assassination” verbiage. These are TWO different things and suggests that the DPD did know of LHO prior to the assassination. But how?
The answer could be from when LHO passed out leaflets in April 1963 in Dallas. This was the same pro-Castro literature that he would hand out in New Orleans. I have covered this incident in a previous post in this series so I won’t get into this in full, but suffice it to say the explanation of the man being unknown that we were given may not be true. It is clear that LHO was the man handing out the literature in Dallas and possibly the DPD knew this and began tracking him then.
(See CE 1407 as the DPD report says that the man was “unidentified”. This report was written a year after the actual event and we can see that the DPD would have a vested interest in keeping the fact that they knew of LHO from at least April 1963 quiet. The contemporaneous paperwork was never made available to us in the twenty-six volumes.)
Can any WC defender explain how the DPD received information regarding LHO so quickly when he was supposedly completely unknown to them prior to the assassination?
This post again presents evidence that shows the claims of the WC are incorrect and raises doubt about their conclusion, thus, their conclusion is sunk.
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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) assassinated President John F. Kennedy (JFK), shot and killed Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT), wounded Texas Governor John B. Connally (JBC) and attempted to kill retired General Edwin Walker. The evidence supporting these claims is absent from the WC’s twenty-six volumes of exhibits and testimony however, therefore, this has left many questions for us today. I have asked so many questions in this series already, and now it is time for more.
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Did the Dallas Police Department (DPD) have knowledge of LHO prior to the assassination?
The thought definitely crossed the minds of the WC members as both DPD Chief Jesse Curry and Homicide Captain Will Fritz were questioned about this during their testimonies.
Mr. MCCLOY - While we are waiting for Mr. Rankin to continue his examination, let me ask you this question, Chief.
Did you, prior to the assassination, know or hear of Oswald?
Mr. CURRY - Never.
Mr. MCCLOY - Didn't hear that he had been--there was a defector named Oswald in the city of Dallas?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir.
Mr. MCCLOY - Never heard of his name?
Mr. CURRY - We didn't have it in our files.
Representative FORD - Was there anything in your files that Lee Harvey Oswald had been involved with the Dallas police force?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir.
Representative FORD - No record whatsoever?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir.
Mr. DULLES - Was there any record of his having made a trip to the Soviet Union and returned?
Mr. CURRY - Not in our files.
Mr. DULLES - And returned to Texas?
Mr. CURRY – We didn't have anything in our files regarding Lee Harvey Oswald.
And:
Dulles: Had you or your office, to your knowledge, ever heard of Oswald prior to November 22, 1963?
Fritz: No, sir; I never heard of him, and I don't believe anyone in my office had ever heard of him, because none of them knew him when we got him. That was our first—
Dulles: There are no reports; you found no reports in your files?
Fritz: No, sir. . . . We had no reports on him at all.
These statements indicate that the DPD had no knowledge of LHO prior to the assassination. But how did the unknown officer know where LHO lived when even his wife didn’t?
Mr. BALL. After you had done that what did you do?
Mr. FRITZ. I sent some officers---you mean right at that time? I also sent officers over to the Beckley address, you know, as soon as we got there, I don't believe we had the Beckley address at this part of this question.
Mr. BALL. You didn't have it at that time, did you?
Mr. FRITZ. Not right at this time, but as soon as I got to that address.
Mr. BALL. Yes. What did you do after you had sent the officers to Irving?
Mr. FRITZ. When I started to talk to this prisoner or maybe just before I started to talk to him, some officer told me outside of my office that he had a room on Beckley, I don't know who that officer was, I think we can find out, I have since I have talked to you this morning I have talked to Lieutenant Baker and he says I know maybe who that officer was, but I am not sure yet.
Mr. BALL. Some officer told you that he thought this man had a room on Beckley?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Who was this officer and how did he know where LHO was residing when Curry and Fritz said that the DPD had no knowledge of LHO prior to the assassination? Fritz said that he would find out who this officer was, but if he did accomplish this then it was not shared with us as this information is nowhere in the twenty-six volumes. Why wouldn’t he have gotten this basic information at the time he was given the address by the officer?
We have to then consider the memorandum written by Lieutenant Jack Revill of the Criminal Intelligence Section. This memorandum was written on November 22, 1963, and it was addressed to Captain W.P. Ganaway of the Special Service Bureau. Lt. Revill list another address for LHO on this memorandum – 605 Elsbeth Street. LHO of course had never resided there as he had stayed at 602 Elsbeth Street in late 1962 and early 1963, but this isn’t the issue here. The issue is that the head of the DPD said that they had no knowledge of LHO prior to the assassination and this certainly would entail his places of dwelling.
This even struck the WC as odd and they questioned Revill about this when he appeared before them.
Mr. RANKIN. And the words 605 Elsbeth Street, was that given by you?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; this is the address we were given or I was given by some of the officers involved in the arrest.
Mr. RANKIN. Who gave that to you?
Mr. REVILL. I believe Detective Carroll, Carroll or Detective Taylor, they were both there.
Mr. RANKIN. And was that at the time you made this out that you were given that information?
Mr. REVILL. Shortly before I made this out.
Mr. RANKIN. You didn't even know where he lived then?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; I did not. I had never heard of him .
Mr. RANKIN. You know that is wrong, don't you?
Mr. REVILL. The 605?
Mr. RANKIN. Yes.
Mr. REVILL. I don't know.
Mr. RANKIN. Is it wrong?
Mr. REVILL. Yes; it is.
Mr. DULLES. As of the time.
Mr. REVILL. That is what they gave me.
Mr. RANKIN. You found that out?
Mr. DULLES. This is an address he once lived at.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know that?
Mr. DULLES. This is correct. I want to find out what he knows about it.
Mr. REVILL. Is this a-is this an incorrect address on Mr. Oswald where he was living at the time?
Mr. RANKIN. If you check it up I think you will find--it is an incorrect address at the time. I think you will also find that 602 Elsbeth Street is where he lived at one time.
Mr. REVILL. Now, where they got this address----
Mr. RANKIN. You never checked that?
Mr. REVILL. I personally have not checked it but I am sure it has been checked.
Mr. RANKIN. I see.
Mr. REVILL. But this is the address I was given.
Mr. DULLES. You never ascertained where they got it?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; this might be the address that they got from Oswald, I do not know. I never even thought about it until you brought up the point that this is not the address.
Mr. DULLES. Can you find out where they got this address?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; I can.
Mr. DULLES. I think that would be useful. I would like to know that. I would like to know where they got this address also.
CE 709: historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0261a.htm
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0261a.gif
Yes, the address is incorrect, but the main issue is how Detective Carroll or Taylor learned of it so fast when the DPD had no knowledge of LHO supposedly? Revill said that they would have gotten it at the time of the arrest, but LHO was close-lipped in regard to giving out his information. Even if he wasn’t, why would he give them an old incorrect address? This makes no sense.
So who really provided Revill with this information if it wasn’t LHO or the DPD? We don’t know because again like Fritz if he ever did find out it is not included in the twenty-six volumes. Some researchers have posited that it was furnished by military intelligence, but it would have been nice for the WC to have found this out for us.
This same address appears in another report Revill did on November 22 to Captain Gannaway regarding Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) employees. The very first name on the list, and this may confirm that their attention was on him from the beginning, is LHO and the address given is again the 605 Elsbeth Street one.
CE 2003, p. 127: historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0139a.htm
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pages/WH_Vol24_0139a.gif
This report is signed by Detectives Westphal and Parks. Where did they get this address from? Again, we don’t know since they were never asked about it. We can rule out the FBI being the source according to the WC since they wrote that they had no idea regarding LHO’s current address, so how could they know about an old address that was incorrect?
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Speculation. – Dallas Police must have known where Oswald was living in the city because Mrs. Paine had given the address of Oswald’s room on North Beckley Avenue to the FBI some time before the assassination.
Commission finding. – Mrs. Paine had never given the address of Oswald’s roominghouse to the FBI, nor had she known the address prior to the assassination. Therefore, the Dallas police could not have learned the address from the FBI which did not know the address before the assassination. The Dallas Police did not know that Oswald was in the city before the assassination. (WCR, p. 660)
www.historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0342b.htm
Quote off
We see in this blurb that the WC has changed the testimony of Curry and Fritz, which was definitive, to an explanation which is vague. Now, instead of not knowing of LHO at all we see the vague “The Dallas Police did not know that Oswald was in the city before the assassination” verbiage. These are TWO different things and suggests that the DPD did know of LHO prior to the assassination. But how?
The answer could be from when LHO passed out leaflets in April 1963 in Dallas. This was the same pro-Castro literature that he would hand out in New Orleans. I have covered this incident in a previous post in this series so I won’t get into this in full, but suffice it to say the explanation of the man being unknown that we were given may not be true. It is clear that LHO was the man handing out the literature in Dallas and possibly the DPD knew this and began tracking him then.
(See CE 1407 as the DPD report says that the man was “unidentified”. This report was written a year after the actual event and we can see that the DPD would have a vested interest in keeping the fact that they knew of LHO from at least April 1963 quiet. The contemporaneous paperwork was never made available to us in the twenty-six volumes.)
Can any WC defender explain how the DPD received information regarding LHO so quickly when he was supposedly completely unknown to them prior to the assassination?
This post again presents evidence that shows the claims of the WC are incorrect and raises doubt about their conclusion, thus, their conclusion is sunk.