Post by Gil Jesus on Aug 8, 2021 8:24:35 GMT -5
Evidence Oswald was on the 1st floor before and after the shooting
Oswald’s whereabouts between 11:45am and 12:25pm is documented by 5 different witnesses who claimed to have seen him on the first floor. According to Dallas Homicide Captain Will Fritz, Oswald told him that he was on the first floor in the “Domino Room” at the time of the assassination having his lunch. Fritz testified: “I asked him what part of the building at the time the President was shot. He said he was having lunch at about this time on the first floor.”
But it was not until 1997 that Fritz’s notes of his interview of Oswald were released in which Oswald said that he was “out with Bill Shelley in front”.
JFK’s motorcade was scheduled to be at Dealey Plaza at 12:25pm but was 5 minutes late. Oswald was seen on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm by an employee as she was exiting the building.
That employee was not interviewed by the Warren Commission.
The “Domino Room” was a recreation room on the first floor where the employees would take their breaks. The lunchroom was on the second floor, but many of the warehouse employees used the first floor “Domino Room” to eat lunch and play dominoes. TSBD witness testimony was unanimous: Oswald ALWAYS ate his lunch in the Domino room-which was on the same floor as the entrance to the TSBD.
11:50 - 12:00 : Oswald on the first floor
At least five witnesses claimed they saw Oswald on the first floor either before or after the shooting.
WITNESS # 1. Charles Givens told the FBI that he saw Oswald reading a newspaper in the Domino room at 11:50 am. Givens testified that when he saw Oswald reading, it was usually “right at lunch time” and Oswald always ate lunch in the Domino Room.
WITNESS # 2. William Shelley gave testimony supporting Oswald being in the first floor Domino Room at 11:50.
WITNESS # 3. Janitor Eddie Piper also saw Oswald on the first floor at about noon.
These sightings of Oswald on the first floor between 11:45 and 12:00 give credibility to Givens’ original account of seeing Oswald reading the newspaper in the Domino Room at 11:50 am. They also imply that Givens, under tremendous pressure, changed his story to not seeing Oswald at all that day.
During questioning by FBI agent James W. Bookhout, Oswald claimed that he saw two “Negro employees” in the Domino Room. One he recognized as “Junior”; the other was a shorter man whose name he did not recall. The “Junior” he referred to was James “Junior” Jarman; the other man was Harold Norman.
In his WC testimony, Jarman admitted being in the Domino Room at the time Oswald said he was, but denied seeing Oswald. He said that after descending from the sixth floor he went to the first floor to wash up. He then picked up his lunch in the Domino Room and went upstairs to the second floor to buy a soda from the machine. He returned to the “Domino Room” where he ate a part of his sandwich while standing, then walked around on the first floor eating his sandwich and drinking his soda.
Harold Norman also ate his lunch in the Domino Room. Although he admitted that there was someone else there with him, he “could not remember who ate in the domino room with me”.Norman’s lack of memory of who had lunch with him on the day the President of the United States was assassinated is strange.
He remembered that after eating his lunch, he stood on the sidewalk with Danny Arce.
He recalled seeing Roy Truly and TSBD Vice President O.V. Campbell and Billy Lovelady outside as well. He said that he returned to the building with James Jarman.
He remembered coming out of the building after the shooting and seeing Howard Brennan.
He remembered being interviewed by an FBI agent named Kreutzer on November 26th.
Harold Norman could remember all of these details, but not who he had lunch with in the “Domino Room”. Could the other person in the Domino Room have been Oswald ?
If Oswald had been on the sixth floor prior to 12:15, as the Commission believed, it was a remarkable coincidence that out of all of the employees of the TSBD, Oswald was able to pick out two who were together as he claimed, on the same floor as he claimed, in the same room as he claimed and at the same time as he claimed.
How could he have known that from the sixth floor ?
12:25 : Oswald seen on the first floor.
WITNESS # 4. Carolyn Arnold told the FBI that as she was leaving the TSBD, she caught a glimpse of someone she thought was Oswald on the first floor. FBI notes indicated that she claimed to have seen Oswald “a few minutes before 12:15".
But in her original statement she indicated that she left the building at 12:25, a fact that she repeated in a March 1964 affidavit.
( CD 706, pg. 7 )
If Arnold left the building at 12:25 pm to watch the parade and saw Lee Harvey Oswald on the first floor “standing between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse”, he could not have been the killer of President Kennedy. She could not have mistaken Billy Lovelady for him because Lovelady was outside the building. It also means that the
FBI lied in its report on the time that she claimed to have seen him. They needed Oswald in the sixth floor window at 12:25, so they changed the time to a few minutes before 12:15, rather than a few minutes after 12:25, in order to give Oswald time to get to the 6th floor.
Not surprisingly, Arnold was never called as a witness by the Warren Commission.
Oswald on the first floor AFTER the shooting
Ochus Campbell, Vice-President of the TSBD, informed the NY Herald Tribune on 11/23/63 that shortly following the assassination, Oswald was seen on the ground (first) floor near the storage room.
WITNESS # 5. Verifying what Ochus Campbell said, Roy Truly told Will Fritz on the day of the assassination that he saw Oswald near the storage room on the first floor as he went inside with officer Marion Baker.
If true, then the whole "lunchroom encounter" was a lie.
Oswald’s whereabouts between 11:45am and 12:25pm is documented by 5 different witnesses who claimed to have seen him on the first floor. According to Dallas Homicide Captain Will Fritz, Oswald told him that he was on the first floor in the “Domino Room” at the time of the assassination having his lunch. Fritz testified: “I asked him what part of the building at the time the President was shot. He said he was having lunch at about this time on the first floor.”
But it was not until 1997 that Fritz’s notes of his interview of Oswald were released in which Oswald said that he was “out with Bill Shelley in front”.
JFK’s motorcade was scheduled to be at Dealey Plaza at 12:25pm but was 5 minutes late. Oswald was seen on the first floor of the TSBD at 12:25pm by an employee as she was exiting the building.
That employee was not interviewed by the Warren Commission.
The “Domino Room” was a recreation room on the first floor where the employees would take their breaks. The lunchroom was on the second floor, but many of the warehouse employees used the first floor “Domino Room” to eat lunch and play dominoes. TSBD witness testimony was unanimous: Oswald ALWAYS ate his lunch in the Domino room-which was on the same floor as the entrance to the TSBD.
11:50 - 12:00 : Oswald on the first floor
At least five witnesses claimed they saw Oswald on the first floor either before or after the shooting.
WITNESS # 1. Charles Givens told the FBI that he saw Oswald reading a newspaper in the Domino room at 11:50 am. Givens testified that when he saw Oswald reading, it was usually “right at lunch time” and Oswald always ate lunch in the Domino Room.
WITNESS # 2. William Shelley gave testimony supporting Oswald being in the first floor Domino Room at 11:50.
WITNESS # 3. Janitor Eddie Piper also saw Oswald on the first floor at about noon.
These sightings of Oswald on the first floor between 11:45 and 12:00 give credibility to Givens’ original account of seeing Oswald reading the newspaper in the Domino Room at 11:50 am. They also imply that Givens, under tremendous pressure, changed his story to not seeing Oswald at all that day.
During questioning by FBI agent James W. Bookhout, Oswald claimed that he saw two “Negro employees” in the Domino Room. One he recognized as “Junior”; the other was a shorter man whose name he did not recall. The “Junior” he referred to was James “Junior” Jarman; the other man was Harold Norman.
In his WC testimony, Jarman admitted being in the Domino Room at the time Oswald said he was, but denied seeing Oswald. He said that after descending from the sixth floor he went to the first floor to wash up. He then picked up his lunch in the Domino Room and went upstairs to the second floor to buy a soda from the machine. He returned to the “Domino Room” where he ate a part of his sandwich while standing, then walked around on the first floor eating his sandwich and drinking his soda.
Harold Norman also ate his lunch in the Domino Room. Although he admitted that there was someone else there with him, he “could not remember who ate in the domino room with me”.Norman’s lack of memory of who had lunch with him on the day the President of the United States was assassinated is strange.
He remembered that after eating his lunch, he stood on the sidewalk with Danny Arce.
He recalled seeing Roy Truly and TSBD Vice President O.V. Campbell and Billy Lovelady outside as well. He said that he returned to the building with James Jarman.
He remembered coming out of the building after the shooting and seeing Howard Brennan.
He remembered being interviewed by an FBI agent named Kreutzer on November 26th.
Harold Norman could remember all of these details, but not who he had lunch with in the “Domino Room”. Could the other person in the Domino Room have been Oswald ?
If Oswald had been on the sixth floor prior to 12:15, as the Commission believed, it was a remarkable coincidence that out of all of the employees of the TSBD, Oswald was able to pick out two who were together as he claimed, on the same floor as he claimed, in the same room as he claimed and at the same time as he claimed.
How could he have known that from the sixth floor ?
12:25 : Oswald seen on the first floor.
WITNESS # 4. Carolyn Arnold told the FBI that as she was leaving the TSBD, she caught a glimpse of someone she thought was Oswald on the first floor. FBI notes indicated that she claimed to have seen Oswald “a few minutes before 12:15".
But in her original statement she indicated that she left the building at 12:25, a fact that she repeated in a March 1964 affidavit.
( CD 706, pg. 7 )
If Arnold left the building at 12:25 pm to watch the parade and saw Lee Harvey Oswald on the first floor “standing between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse”, he could not have been the killer of President Kennedy. She could not have mistaken Billy Lovelady for him because Lovelady was outside the building. It also means that the
FBI lied in its report on the time that she claimed to have seen him. They needed Oswald in the sixth floor window at 12:25, so they changed the time to a few minutes before 12:15, rather than a few minutes after 12:25, in order to give Oswald time to get to the 6th floor.
Not surprisingly, Arnold was never called as a witness by the Warren Commission.
Oswald on the first floor AFTER the shooting
Ochus Campbell, Vice-President of the TSBD, informed the NY Herald Tribune on 11/23/63 that shortly following the assassination, Oswald was seen on the ground (first) floor near the storage room.
WITNESS # 5. Verifying what Ochus Campbell said, Roy Truly told Will Fritz on the day of the assassination that he saw Oswald near the storage room on the first floor as he went inside with officer Marion Baker.
If true, then the whole "lunchroom encounter" was a lie.