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The Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) took the testimony of Adele Edisen on November 18, 1994. She would discuss her experiences with a Jose Rivera, the FBI and the Secret Service (SS).
She relates the story of Jose Rivera.
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So I went to these meetings which were held in Atlantic City and it was there that I met the individual I am going to be speaking about, Jose Rivera, who was manning a booth at the convention hall there.
Well, to make this story shorter, I befriended him or he befriended me, I was planning to go to Bethesda in Washington and visit with colleagues and friends at the NIH and also to see the NIH, and so he had, in the course of our conversations and so on, invited me to his home to have dinner with him and his wife and daughter, and also to help me obtain hotel, motel space for my visit in Bethesda after these meetings, and to give me a site-seeing tour, and so on.
Mr. Rivera, or Dr. Rivera or Colonel Rivera he also called himself, mentioned to me, and this is April 1963, seven months before the assassination, on Monday night April the 22nd...He took me to Blackie's House of Beef in Washington, and it was there that he said to me, as we were waiting to be seated, he told me about his trips to Dallas and so on, and he mentioned, he said there is a very nice nightclub there, the Carousel Club and the next time you are in Dallas you should go there.
In the few moments later he asked me if I knew Lee Oswald. I had never heard of Lee Oswald. I vaguely wondered if he was related to a boy I had gone to high school with whose name was Fred Oswald, and I went to high school in New York, but that was all. I said, no, I didn't know him. He said, well, he lived in Russia for a while, and he has a Russian wife and a child and they are in Dallas now and they are planning, he is planning to come to New Orleans -- they are planning to come to New Orleans, and you should get to know them because they are a very lovely couple. Those are more or less exact quotes.
I didn't think anything of it...It was the next night…and there were several other things he asked me about, if I knew of John Abt for example. I later, many years later, learned that was the attorney that Lee Oswald asked to represent him. I didn't know John Abt either. But he did later on say to the effect that Oswald would -- I presume he meant Oswald would call upon Abt to defend him. (ARRB interview with Adele Edisen, November 18, 1994)
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This is very interesting. Who was this Jose Rivera? Was he a doctor and a colonel? Had he served with some of the Cuban groups who were anti-Castro? How did a regular doctor or colonel learn about this stuff?
She continued the story for us.
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But at the Marriott -- let me get back to that, and I am sorry I digressed -- it was after dinner and he asked to do a favor for him when I got back to New Orleans, and that was the subject of the note which I mentioned in the letter.
He said that he had talked with this gentleman, I guess it is all right to mention the name, I don't know if he had anything to do with the assassination or not, but it was a faculty member at Loyola who apparently had been a friend of his or was a friend, Winston DeMonsabert. He dictated the name -- I think I misspelled it in the note -- and said call -- tell him to call me when you get back there, and ask him when he is leaving New Orleans, because I heard -- this is Rivera talking -- I heard he was leaving New Orleans.
So I wrote on the note, Winston DeMonsabert call Dr. Rivera when leaving NO, my abbreviation for New Orleans. In some more conversation, and he then asked me to write down a number which was 899-4244, and after that he said, write down this name, Lee Harvey Oswald. It didn't ring a bell to me that that was the same name that he had mentioned the night before, and he said, tell him to kill the chief. So underneath that part of the note I wrote in quotes "kill the chief."
Now, let me explain -- one more thing, when he saw me writing down the message, he said, no, no, don't write that down. You will remember it when you get to New Orleans.
The reference to chief to me meant NIH because NIH made this joke or description several times during these two days. He said, do you know why NIH is called the reservation? I said, no. He said, because there are so many chiefs and no Indians. (Ibid.)
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So did he have inside information or was he just starting things that weren't related to what actually happened? Let's see.
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So all this time I thought that Oswald was a scientist and a friend of Rivera's. I couldn't understand about the Russian wife because, you know, at that time they were citizens of our two countries were not allowed to leave or to visit each other, and so on.
I became very frightened then, I didn't understand what he was talking about even though he had made references to assassination of the President or killing of the President, but he said when he told me not to write down that part, he said, don't write it down, you will remember it when you get to New Orleans. We are just playing a little joke on him, presumably meaning Oswald.
There were other references to the assassination which I only -- he said, for example, after -- he kept talking about it in this way, he would say, after it happens -- it happens, what happens, you know, I don't know what he is talking about – after it happens, he would say, someone will kill him, meaning apparently the assassin, and I presume it was Oswald, although I never considered until much later that Oswald did it, but anyway Oswald. They will say his best friend killed him. After it happens the President's best friend will jump out of a window because of his grief, and there was such an event about two weeks later, the former Ambassador to Ireland jumped out of a window in Miami, his name was Grant Stockdale. Although, again, at the time I didn't make connection. (Ibid.)
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This sounds pretty accurate to me, what do you think? Edisen would contact the Secret Service (SS) about this in July 1963 after she had thought about it for several months and began to think it might involve a conspiracy to kill the president. Nothing happened.
After the assassination she went to the SS on November 24, 1963, to tell them about her experience.
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Ms. Edisen, this note is a note that then you passed along to a government agent?
MS. EDISEN: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Can you tell us about that?
MS. EDISEN: Yes. On Sunday, November the 24th, I called the Secret Service. I had actually called the Secret Service in July and I spoke briefly with Agent J. Calvin Rice, and I was going to go down there and tell them this incredible story which now I had – I thought there was some sort of conspiracy to kill the President after putting it together. And then I thought they wouldn't believe me, and I would only make a fool of myself, and so I called him back and declined.
But when the assassination actually did occur, I did go down there on Sunday and they were very anxious to see me, and Mr. Rice told me not to sign in the register because -- I guess it was for protection or something but to call him when I got to the lobby, and I went there.
As we were walking to his office, Mr. Rice told me that they had just gotten word that Oswald had been shot. So it must have been after Jack Ruby shot him. And we went into his office where he introduced me to a burly FBI agent, a balding man, and I believe he might have been Oren Bartlett.
...At any rate, I began to tell him my incredible story, and I was there for about three to four hours in their office. There were only two men there, J. Calvin Rice, Secret Service, who was a youngish man, about in his, I would imagine, 30s, early 30s, not much taller than I was. I had small Cuban, you know, walking heels.
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: And there were notes taken at this?
MS. EDISEN: Well, he took some notes but Mr. Rice was seated at his desk, and I was seated to his right, and the FBI agent remained standing most of the time. I believe he may have taped it…
At the end of the interview, when I was leaving, Mr. Rice asked the FBI agent who had been coming and going more or less, do you have the film and is the plane ready, and they were leaving. I thought they were going to Washington because the FBI agent had been introduced to me as being from Washington, but, no, Mr. Rice said they were going to Dallas. So presumably they were flying that night or immediately, and they all -- and he put his hat on and they were ready to leave, and they were kishowing me out. Mr. Rice showed me out the door.
She would never hear from the SS or the FBI about this issue. She would see Dr. Rivera just one more time and that was briefly after Labor Day in 1963 when they had a brief hallway encounter. To date nothing has happened with this information.
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The Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) took the testimony of Adele Edisen on November 18, 1994. She would discuss her experiences with a Jose Rivera, the FBI and the Secret Service (SS).
She relates the story of Jose Rivera.
Quote on
So I went to these meetings which were held in Atlantic City and it was there that I met the individual I am going to be speaking about, Jose Rivera, who was manning a booth at the convention hall there.
Well, to make this story shorter, I befriended him or he befriended me, I was planning to go to Bethesda in Washington and visit with colleagues and friends at the NIH and also to see the NIH, and so he had, in the course of our conversations and so on, invited me to his home to have dinner with him and his wife and daughter, and also to help me obtain hotel, motel space for my visit in Bethesda after these meetings, and to give me a site-seeing tour, and so on.
Mr. Rivera, or Dr. Rivera or Colonel Rivera he also called himself, mentioned to me, and this is April 1963, seven months before the assassination, on Monday night April the 22nd...He took me to Blackie's House of Beef in Washington, and it was there that he said to me, as we were waiting to be seated, he told me about his trips to Dallas and so on, and he mentioned, he said there is a very nice nightclub there, the Carousel Club and the next time you are in Dallas you should go there.
In the few moments later he asked me if I knew Lee Oswald. I had never heard of Lee Oswald. I vaguely wondered if he was related to a boy I had gone to high school with whose name was Fred Oswald, and I went to high school in New York, but that was all. I said, no, I didn't know him. He said, well, he lived in Russia for a while, and he has a Russian wife and a child and they are in Dallas now and they are planning, he is planning to come to New Orleans -- they are planning to come to New Orleans, and you should get to know them because they are a very lovely couple. Those are more or less exact quotes.
I didn't think anything of it...It was the next night…and there were several other things he asked me about, if I knew of John Abt for example. I later, many years later, learned that was the attorney that Lee Oswald asked to represent him. I didn't know John Abt either. But he did later on say to the effect that Oswald would -- I presume he meant Oswald would call upon Abt to defend him. (ARRB interview with Adele Edisen, November 18, 1994)
www.jfk-assassination.net/arrb/index65.htm
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This is very interesting. Who was this Jose Rivera? Was he a doctor and a colonel? Had he served with some of the Cuban groups who were anti-Castro? How did a regular doctor or colonel learn about this stuff?
She continued the story for us.
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But at the Marriott -- let me get back to that, and I am sorry I digressed -- it was after dinner and he asked to do a favor for him when I got back to New Orleans, and that was the subject of the note which I mentioned in the letter.
He said that he had talked with this gentleman, I guess it is all right to mention the name, I don't know if he had anything to do with the assassination or not, but it was a faculty member at Loyola who apparently had been a friend of his or was a friend, Winston DeMonsabert. He dictated the name -- I think I misspelled it in the note -- and said call -- tell him to call me when you get back there, and ask him when he is leaving New Orleans, because I heard -- this is Rivera talking -- I heard he was leaving New Orleans.
So I wrote on the note, Winston DeMonsabert call Dr. Rivera when leaving NO, my abbreviation for New Orleans. In some more conversation, and he then asked me to write down a number which was 899-4244, and after that he said, write down this name, Lee Harvey Oswald. It didn't ring a bell to me that that was the same name that he had mentioned the night before, and he said, tell him to kill the chief. So underneath that part of the note I wrote in quotes "kill the chief."
Now, let me explain -- one more thing, when he saw me writing down the message, he said, no, no, don't write that down. You will remember it when you get to New Orleans.
The reference to chief to me meant NIH because NIH made this joke or description several times during these two days. He said, do you know why NIH is called the reservation? I said, no. He said, because there are so many chiefs and no Indians. (Ibid.)
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So did he have inside information or was he just starting things that weren't related to what actually happened? Let's see.
Quote on
So all this time I thought that Oswald was a scientist and a friend of Rivera's. I couldn't understand about the Russian wife because, you know, at that time they were citizens of our two countries were not allowed to leave or to visit each other, and so on.
I became very frightened then, I didn't understand what he was talking about even though he had made references to assassination of the President or killing of the President, but he said when he told me not to write down that part, he said, don't write it down, you will remember it when you get to New Orleans. We are just playing a little joke on him, presumably meaning Oswald.
There were other references to the assassination which I only -- he said, for example, after -- he kept talking about it in this way, he would say, after it happens -- it happens, what happens, you know, I don't know what he is talking about – after it happens, he would say, someone will kill him, meaning apparently the assassin, and I presume it was Oswald, although I never considered until much later that Oswald did it, but anyway Oswald. They will say his best friend killed him. After it happens the President's best friend will jump out of a window because of his grief, and there was such an event about two weeks later, the former Ambassador to Ireland jumped out of a window in Miami, his name was Grant Stockdale. Although, again, at the time I didn't make connection. (Ibid.)
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This sounds pretty accurate to me, what do you think? Edisen would contact the Secret Service (SS) about this in July 1963 after she had thought about it for several months and began to think it might involve a conspiracy to kill the president. Nothing happened.
After the assassination she went to the SS on November 24, 1963, to tell them about her experience.
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Ms. Edisen, this note is a note that then you passed along to a government agent?
MS. EDISEN: Yes.
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Can you tell us about that?
MS. EDISEN: Yes. On Sunday, November the 24th, I called the Secret Service. I had actually called the Secret Service in July and I spoke briefly with Agent J. Calvin Rice, and I was going to go down there and tell them this incredible story which now I had – I thought there was some sort of conspiracy to kill the President after putting it together. And then I thought they wouldn't believe me, and I would only make a fool of myself, and so I called him back and declined.
But when the assassination actually did occur, I did go down there on Sunday and they were very anxious to see me, and Mr. Rice told me not to sign in the register because -- I guess it was for protection or something but to call him when I got to the lobby, and I went there.
As we were walking to his office, Mr. Rice told me that they had just gotten word that Oswald had been shot. So it must have been after Jack Ruby shot him. And we went into his office where he introduced me to a burly FBI agent, a balding man, and I believe he might have been Oren Bartlett.
...At any rate, I began to tell him my incredible story, and I was there for about three to four hours in their office. There were only two men there, J. Calvin Rice, Secret Service, who was a youngish man, about in his, I would imagine, 30s, early 30s, not much taller than I was. I had small Cuban, you know, walking heels.
CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: And there were notes taken at this?
MS. EDISEN: Well, he took some notes but Mr. Rice was seated at his desk, and I was seated to his right, and the FBI agent remained standing most of the time. I believe he may have taped it…
At the end of the interview, when I was leaving, Mr. Rice asked the FBI agent who had been coming and going more or less, do you have the film and is the plane ready, and they were leaving. I thought they were going to Washington because the FBI agent had been introduced to me as being from Washington, but, no, Mr. Rice said they were going to Dallas. So presumably they were flying that night or immediately, and they all -- and he put his hat on and they were ready to leave, and they were kishowing me out. Mr. Rice showed me out the door.
She would never hear from the SS or the FBI about this issue. She would see Dr. Rivera just one more time and that was briefly after Labor Day in 1963 when they had a brief hallway encounter. To date nothing has happened with this information.
