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Vernon Bundy was an inmate of the New Orleans Parish. He was a narcotics offender who had violated his parole. He had informed a prison guard that he had information about Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO). Prison officials passed this on to District Attorney Jim Garrison’s office and Bundy was subsequently interviewed by Garrison.
After verifying to their satisfaction that he was telling the truth he was called to testify during the preliminary hearing of Clay Shaw. He will eventually explain how he went to the lakefront seawall to get a heroin fix.
Q. Can you remember the approximate month in 1963 that this was?
A. Offhand, I don't know; it was either June or July.
Q. Go ahead.
A. Then, like I say, walking up on the greens of Camp Leroy Johnson on the side, I went to the steps of the lake, crossing over the highway.
Q. Is that the seawall?
A. Yeah, the seawall, that's right. I then sit down. I walked towards the colored section of Lake Pontchartrain, say about fifteen or twenty feet; I didn't know just how far. And I sit down.
Q. Did you have any heroin with you?
A. I had two caps of heroin, my outfit in my socks… At this moment there is a black four-door sedan approaching. It parks in the intersection -- it's not out on the highway -- it's the intersection where you park into. And a fellow then gets out of the automobile and walks towards me. Well, then I am skeptical, because I don't know if this is the police, the vice, or I don't know just what it is.
Q. You say you thought this was a policeman or a vice squadsman?
A. Yeah, that's right. Well, the fellow passes me. And I had the stuff -- well, I had everything up on the paper bag. And I then, because I don't want him to see what I'm doing, I closes [sic] up the bag with the two root beer bottles, my fit, my outfit, and the two caps of heroin into the cooker. The guy passes in back of me. Well, I'm watching him all of the time, because I don't want him to get too close upon me, because I'm planning on, you know, fighting with him or throwing the stuff out into the lake. I don't want him to get his hands on me. He passes in back of me and he tells me, "It's a hot day," you know. He then walks down say fifteen or twenty feet from me.
Q. Would you describe this man for us? What did he look like?
A. He was a tall, settled man, about 6'1" or 6'2". I was sitting down; I can't, you know, offhand, describe the height; I'm not too sure.
Q. How was he dressed?
A. He was distinctively dressed, I mean, full suit, collar and tie.
Q. What color was his hair?
A. Grey.
Bundy was at the seawall of Lake Pontchartrain preparing to shoot up when he saw a black four-door sedan approach and park. Bundy was out of view for the most part because he was sitting a few steps down near the water. He then describes a very well dressed man with grey hair getting out of the car. The man then came towards him and eventually passed him saying that it was a hot day to Bundy.
The man eventually walked about 15 or 20 feet away from where Bundy was sitting. Bundy describes what happened then.
A. Then from the white section of Pontchartrain Beach, after, I said, about five or seven minutes, this young fellow, I didn't know who it was at the time, but he approaches. I could see him, say, from about a half a mile or a quarter of a mile down the way. He approaches this fellow, and they both conversation [sic], say, for about fifteen minutes. Well, I don't know if they're talking about me or what they're planning to do, but I'm worried because I've got all this stuff in a bag and things, and I just don't know what's going on.
Q. Vernon, describe this second man for us? What did he look like?
A. He was young.
Q. The man who came walking down.
A. Well, he was young, what I would call a junkie or beatnik type of guy.
Q. Were you able to hear them talk when they started talking?
A. No, I wasn't able to hear them talk when they started to talking. And, after about, I would say, fifteen minutes or twenty minutes, this young fellow, he started to come out in an outburst, saying to the older guy, "What am I going to tell her." These were his words.
Q. "What am I going to tell her?"
A. Yeah, as though he was, to me, it referred to, as though he was talking about his wife himself, you know. "What am I going to tell my wife," in other words. And he said, the older guy told him, he said, "Don't worry about it." He said, "I told you I'm going to take care of it." And all the while they thought maybe I overheard the conversation, he was trying to get me -- trying to get him to, you know, kind of quieten down [sic]. And, I'm still looking at them; I'm wondering what they're doing. So, afterwards, this older fellow gives the young guy, to me, what looked like, I can't be too sure, but it looks like a roll of money.
Q. The older fellow gave the younger fellow what appeared to be a roll of money?
A. Yeah.
Bundy sees the older man who got out of the car talking with a young man. He hears the older man saying that he will take care of something that the young man is worried about. Then he sees the older man give the younger man what appears to be a roll of money. Bundy also said that the young man had pamphlets in his back pocket. A few of these pamphlets hit the ground and Bundy picked one up to use for his fix. (Jim Garrison, On The Trail Of The Assassins, p. 158 hardcover edition.).
Bundy was shown a number of photographs of men to see if he could identify any of them.
Q. Have you been shown any pictures of these two men lately that you are describing?
A. Yes.
Q. When were you shown them?
A. Yesterday and today.
Q. Can you identify any of these men in the pictures?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you think you could identify them again if you were shown a picture?
A. Yes.
Q. Now, Vernon, I have a set of small pictures here, about, roughly 3" by 4". I have marked them S-15, S-16, S-17, S-18, S-19, S-20 and S-21. I want you to look at this set of pictures and tell me if you see in them the two men that you have been describing to us. You have selected picture S-21 and picture S-20. Now, [ipicture S-21 appears to be a young man with a kind of beard. Do you know who he is now[/i]?
A. Yeah, I know who he is now.
Q. Who is he?
A. Lee Oswald.
Q. Now, the other picture which you have picked out, which has been marked State 20, appears to be an older man. Who is that? Where did you see him?
A. This is the fellow, too, that I saw on the lake.
Q. Is this the tall man with the grey hair that you have described?
A. Right.
Q. Do you know his name now?
A. Shaw or something.
Q. How do you know his name now?
A. Well, because it's been in all the papers and everything.
Bundy identified LHO as the young man that he saw at the lake and Clay Shaw as the older man. This is huge as it shows a relationship of some kind and this was denied by all official organizations. This should have been investigated further by the FBI, but instead Garrison was attacked by the media.
Bundy then tells us about the pamphlets he saw.
Q. And what did you do after you did that?
A. …I then turned, looking for a piece of paper to wrap my works up in, my fit, in other words, to wrap it up in. And I picked up one of these papers or something concerning Cuba. Something about free Cuba. Hell, I didn't know what it was, and I can't recall. It was something about Cuba written on it.
Q. C-U-B-A?
A. Yes.
Q. Was it written on it by handwriting or was it printed?
A. It was printed.
Q. What color was the paper?
A. It was yellow.
This sounds similar to the “Hands Off Cuba" pamphlets that LHO was handing out in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans.
Bundy was an addict, but just like Rose Cheramie he should not be dismissed because of this alone. Prosecutors use witnesses like this all the time as you rarely get a perfect witness. He identified LHO and Shaw. He saw pamphlets similar to the type LHO was arrested handing out. And, he knew that Shaw walked with a slight limp when even Garrison wasn't aware of this.
These are important points that we owe Garrison a thank you for bringing to light. Sadly, nothing was done with this information.
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Vernon Bundy was an inmate of the New Orleans Parish. He was a narcotics offender who had violated his parole. He had informed a prison guard that he had information about Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO). Prison officials passed this on to District Attorney Jim Garrison’s office and Bundy was subsequently interviewed by Garrison.
After verifying to their satisfaction that he was telling the truth he was called to testify during the preliminary hearing of Clay Shaw. He will eventually explain how he went to the lakefront seawall to get a heroin fix.
Q. Can you remember the approximate month in 1963 that this was?
A. Offhand, I don't know; it was either June or July.
Q. Go ahead.
A. Then, like I say, walking up on the greens of Camp Leroy Johnson on the side, I went to the steps of the lake, crossing over the highway.
Q. Is that the seawall?
A. Yeah, the seawall, that's right. I then sit down. I walked towards the colored section of Lake Pontchartrain, say about fifteen or twenty feet; I didn't know just how far. And I sit down.
Q. Did you have any heroin with you?
A. I had two caps of heroin, my outfit in my socks… At this moment there is a black four-door sedan approaching. It parks in the intersection -- it's not out on the highway -- it's the intersection where you park into. And a fellow then gets out of the automobile and walks towards me. Well, then I am skeptical, because I don't know if this is the police, the vice, or I don't know just what it is.
Q. You say you thought this was a policeman or a vice squadsman?
A. Yeah, that's right. Well, the fellow passes me. And I had the stuff -- well, I had everything up on the paper bag. And I then, because I don't want him to see what I'm doing, I closes [sic] up the bag with the two root beer bottles, my fit, my outfit, and the two caps of heroin into the cooker. The guy passes in back of me. Well, I'm watching him all of the time, because I don't want him to get too close upon me, because I'm planning on, you know, fighting with him or throwing the stuff out into the lake. I don't want him to get his hands on me. He passes in back of me and he tells me, "It's a hot day," you know. He then walks down say fifteen or twenty feet from me.
Q. Would you describe this man for us? What did he look like?
A. He was a tall, settled man, about 6'1" or 6'2". I was sitting down; I can't, you know, offhand, describe the height; I'm not too sure.
Q. How was he dressed?
A. He was distinctively dressed, I mean, full suit, collar and tie.
Q. What color was his hair?
A. Grey.
Bundy was at the seawall of Lake Pontchartrain preparing to shoot up when he saw a black four-door sedan approach and park. Bundy was out of view for the most part because he was sitting a few steps down near the water. He then describes a very well dressed man with grey hair getting out of the car. The man then came towards him and eventually passed him saying that it was a hot day to Bundy.
The man eventually walked about 15 or 20 feet away from where Bundy was sitting. Bundy describes what happened then.
A. Then from the white section of Pontchartrain Beach, after, I said, about five or seven minutes, this young fellow, I didn't know who it was at the time, but he approaches. I could see him, say, from about a half a mile or a quarter of a mile down the way. He approaches this fellow, and they both conversation [sic], say, for about fifteen minutes. Well, I don't know if they're talking about me or what they're planning to do, but I'm worried because I've got all this stuff in a bag and things, and I just don't know what's going on.
Q. Vernon, describe this second man for us? What did he look like?
A. He was young.
Q. The man who came walking down.
A. Well, he was young, what I would call a junkie or beatnik type of guy.
Q. Were you able to hear them talk when they started talking?
A. No, I wasn't able to hear them talk when they started to talking. And, after about, I would say, fifteen minutes or twenty minutes, this young fellow, he started to come out in an outburst, saying to the older guy, "What am I going to tell her." These were his words.
Q. "What am I going to tell her?"
A. Yeah, as though he was, to me, it referred to, as though he was talking about his wife himself, you know. "What am I going to tell my wife," in other words. And he said, the older guy told him, he said, "Don't worry about it." He said, "I told you I'm going to take care of it." And all the while they thought maybe I overheard the conversation, he was trying to get me -- trying to get him to, you know, kind of quieten down [sic]. And, I'm still looking at them; I'm wondering what they're doing. So, afterwards, this older fellow gives the young guy, to me, what looked like, I can't be too sure, but it looks like a roll of money.
Q. The older fellow gave the younger fellow what appeared to be a roll of money?
A. Yeah.
Bundy sees the older man who got out of the car talking with a young man. He hears the older man saying that he will take care of something that the young man is worried about. Then he sees the older man give the younger man what appears to be a roll of money. Bundy also said that the young man had pamphlets in his back pocket. A few of these pamphlets hit the ground and Bundy picked one up to use for his fix. (Jim Garrison, On The Trail Of The Assassins, p. 158 hardcover edition.).
Bundy was shown a number of photographs of men to see if he could identify any of them.
Q. Have you been shown any pictures of these two men lately that you are describing?
A. Yes.
Q. When were you shown them?
A. Yesterday and today.
Q. Can you identify any of these men in the pictures?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you think you could identify them again if you were shown a picture?
A. Yes.
Q. Now, Vernon, I have a set of small pictures here, about, roughly 3" by 4". I have marked them S-15, S-16, S-17, S-18, S-19, S-20 and S-21. I want you to look at this set of pictures and tell me if you see in them the two men that you have been describing to us. You have selected picture S-21 and picture S-20. Now, [ipicture S-21 appears to be a young man with a kind of beard. Do you know who he is now[/i]?
A. Yeah, I know who he is now.
Q. Who is he?
A. Lee Oswald.
Q. Now, the other picture which you have picked out, which has been marked State 20, appears to be an older man. Who is that? Where did you see him?
A. This is the fellow, too, that I saw on the lake.
Q. Is this the tall man with the grey hair that you have described?
A. Right.
Q. Do you know his name now?
A. Shaw or something.
Q. How do you know his name now?
A. Well, because it's been in all the papers and everything.
Bundy identified LHO as the young man that he saw at the lake and Clay Shaw as the older man. This is huge as it shows a relationship of some kind and this was denied by all official organizations. This should have been investigated further by the FBI, but instead Garrison was attacked by the media.
Bundy then tells us about the pamphlets he saw.
Q. And what did you do after you did that?
A. …I then turned, looking for a piece of paper to wrap my works up in, my fit, in other words, to wrap it up in. And I picked up one of these papers or something concerning Cuba. Something about free Cuba. Hell, I didn't know what it was, and I can't recall. It was something about Cuba written on it.
Q. C-U-B-A?
A. Yes.
Q. Was it written on it by handwriting or was it printed?
A. It was printed.
Q. What color was the paper?
A. It was yellow.
This sounds similar to the “Hands Off Cuba" pamphlets that LHO was handing out in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans.
Bundy was an addict, but just like Rose Cheramie he should not be dismissed because of this alone. Prosecutors use witnesses like this all the time as you rarely get a perfect witness. He identified LHO and Shaw. He saw pamphlets similar to the type LHO was arrested handing out. And, he knew that Shaw walked with a slight limp when even Garrison wasn't aware of this.
These are important points that we owe Garrison a thank you for bringing to light. Sadly, nothing was done with this information.