Post by Rob Caprio on Oct 31, 2020 19:22:06 GMT -5
All portions ©️ Robert Caprio 2006-2024
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other peoples' words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Let's start to add in Ben's OWN notice as he does EXACTLY what he warns you folks LNers will do!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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Walt Cakebread’s claim:
“Walt never proved his claim that LHO altered his OWN chin in CE-133A.”
Walt has said this to me!
“Hey Rob.... You may be right, when you claim that no LN ever tries to explain the chin.... But "I've" explained it to you.
I told you that Oswald developed CE 133A and at that time retouched the photo to enhance his appearance. It's a very common practice in photo studios.” (Walt)
What evidence did he produce for this claim?? NONE as usual! He could NOT show us one piece of evidence beyond the photograph itself (CE-133A), and that has NEVER been established to be genuine in the first place. He could NOT explain how all the other copies had the SAME editing and issues either!
NOT even the Warren Commission (WC) was bold enough to claim that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) altered HIS OWN CHIN!
Where does Ben Holmes fall on this issue? Where do you think? Right behind his best buddy in the whole wide world!
I called him on Walt's lie and he said this!
“What is a lie is HIS CLAIM that LHO ALTERED HIS OWN CHIN but you have NO problem with that lie! How come liar?” (Robert)
“Because unlike your lie, Walt's assertion has evidence to support it.” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
It does? He and Walt use LNer "circular logic" to explain their assertions. See, Walt claimed LHO altered his own chin, they then claim that CE-133A is genuine, thus, since the chin is altered in CE-133A it has to have been done by LHO!
Meanwhile, we don't get one piece of real evidence to support this claim. NOR do we get an explanation as to why it is altered in all the other photos EXACTLY the same way!
So I pushed Ben to see if he could list this evidence for us that Walt has given, and guess what, he hedged his bets.
“Why NOT cite evidence Walt has provided showing LHO altered his own chin?” (Robert)
“It's implied, to those who know the evidence. Perhaps he covered it, perhaps he didn't.” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
NOW we got that it was "implied", not listed. Then he claims he covered it, but then again maybe he didn't!
Finally after repeated pushing by me, Ben tried to bail Walt and himself out with this comment!
“Where is the evidence supporting Walt's claim that LHO altered his own chin?” (Robert)
“The appearance of the chin in the photo. The fact that Oswald did photographic work.” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
The appearance of the chin in the photograph? How does this show LHO did that? Oh that is right, because they claim it is genuine, but of course have NEVER provided any evidence to show this is a correct assumption!
As for LHO doing photographic work, I have quoted Jack White's words on what LHO actually did at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall and it was NOT photographic work! Even if it was, without evidence showing he had ever done this at work, it is just an empty claim!
So I went back to asking why it was okay for Walt to make NAKED ASSERTIONS but no one else could without the wrath of Ben Holmes coming down on them.
“To date you have NOT pointed out that Walt has failed to support his claim with evidence!” (Robert)
“I'm unaware of whether he has or not. But *I* know what that evidence must consist of already.” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
Sure, he is "unaware" as he lays in a stalking position to pounce on anyone beyond Walt for doing this very thing!
So I got to the point and he would use circular logic again!
“HE HAS NEVER PROVIDED A LICK OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS ASSERTION!” (Robert)
“Does the chin in the photo look like Oswald?” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
So the fact that SOMEONE altered it was evidence for LHO doing it according to Walt and Ben!
I kept the full press up!
“LOL!! So the fact he has claimed something he can't offer a shred of evidence for is okay with Ben, huh?” (Robert)
“I've already given you the evidence, just off the top of my head. Are you *that* ignorant of the case?” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
What he gave us was supposition, and empty claims, it was NOT evidence.
I laid out Walt's position and claim, and of course Ben did what he ALWAYS does, he BLAMED ME!
“Hey, I am on base with meaner and I'm on base with the fact that Walt is a liar as he can't produce a single shred of evidence showing us LHO altered his own chin for any reason!” (Robert)
“Of course he can. What *YOU* can't provide is evidence to support what you claimed he said.” (Ben Holmes–11/17/09)
STRONGER COUNTENANCE and MEANER are not mutually exclusive as he claimed. RABID COMMUNIST and MEANER are not mutually exclusive as he claimed.
Ben would then do the UNTHINKABLE, he would ALIGN all those who "knew" the case with Walt's lying claim!
“I have quoted Walt saying LHO altered his own chin, and he has FAILED TO OFFER ANY EVIDENCE FOR THIS CLAIM.” (Robert)
“Perhaps he has. It is, however, evident to those who know this case.” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
Uh, new flash, NO IT ISN'T!
It would go on and on. The fact that someone altered the chin would be used as evidence that LHO did it by both of them. The fact that the other copies had the SAME EXACT altering would not be explained by them. Does anyone want to guess at the odds of this happening?
Just more lies by Walt, and more jiving by Ben to protect him. Then they have the gall to claim to be CTers!
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other peoples' words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Let's start to add in Ben's OWN notice as he does EXACTLY what he warns you folks LNers will do!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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Walt Cakebread’s claim:
“Walt never proved his claim that LHO altered his OWN chin in CE-133A.”
Walt has said this to me!
“Hey Rob.... You may be right, when you claim that no LN ever tries to explain the chin.... But "I've" explained it to you.
I told you that Oswald developed CE 133A and at that time retouched the photo to enhance his appearance. It's a very common practice in photo studios.” (Walt)
What evidence did he produce for this claim?? NONE as usual! He could NOT show us one piece of evidence beyond the photograph itself (CE-133A), and that has NEVER been established to be genuine in the first place. He could NOT explain how all the other copies had the SAME editing and issues either!
NOT even the Warren Commission (WC) was bold enough to claim that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) altered HIS OWN CHIN!
Where does Ben Holmes fall on this issue? Where do you think? Right behind his best buddy in the whole wide world!
I called him on Walt's lie and he said this!
“What is a lie is HIS CLAIM that LHO ALTERED HIS OWN CHIN but you have NO problem with that lie! How come liar?” (Robert)
“Because unlike your lie, Walt's assertion has evidence to support it.” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
It does? He and Walt use LNer "circular logic" to explain their assertions. See, Walt claimed LHO altered his own chin, they then claim that CE-133A is genuine, thus, since the chin is altered in CE-133A it has to have been done by LHO!
Meanwhile, we don't get one piece of real evidence to support this claim. NOR do we get an explanation as to why it is altered in all the other photos EXACTLY the same way!
So I pushed Ben to see if he could list this evidence for us that Walt has given, and guess what, he hedged his bets.
“Why NOT cite evidence Walt has provided showing LHO altered his own chin?” (Robert)
“It's implied, to those who know the evidence. Perhaps he covered it, perhaps he didn't.” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
NOW we got that it was "implied", not listed. Then he claims he covered it, but then again maybe he didn't!
Finally after repeated pushing by me, Ben tried to bail Walt and himself out with this comment!
“Where is the evidence supporting Walt's claim that LHO altered his own chin?” (Robert)
“The appearance of the chin in the photo. The fact that Oswald did photographic work.” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
The appearance of the chin in the photograph? How does this show LHO did that? Oh that is right, because they claim it is genuine, but of course have NEVER provided any evidence to show this is a correct assumption!
As for LHO doing photographic work, I have quoted Jack White's words on what LHO actually did at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall and it was NOT photographic work! Even if it was, without evidence showing he had ever done this at work, it is just an empty claim!
So I went back to asking why it was okay for Walt to make NAKED ASSERTIONS but no one else could without the wrath of Ben Holmes coming down on them.
“To date you have NOT pointed out that Walt has failed to support his claim with evidence!” (Robert)
“I'm unaware of whether he has or not. But *I* know what that evidence must consist of already.” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
Sure, he is "unaware" as he lays in a stalking position to pounce on anyone beyond Walt for doing this very thing!
So I got to the point and he would use circular logic again!
“HE HAS NEVER PROVIDED A LICK OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS ASSERTION!” (Robert)
“Does the chin in the photo look like Oswald?” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
So the fact that SOMEONE altered it was evidence for LHO doing it according to Walt and Ben!
I kept the full press up!
“LOL!! So the fact he has claimed something he can't offer a shred of evidence for is okay with Ben, huh?” (Robert)
“I've already given you the evidence, just off the top of my head. Are you *that* ignorant of the case?” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
What he gave us was supposition, and empty claims, it was NOT evidence.
I laid out Walt's position and claim, and of course Ben did what he ALWAYS does, he BLAMED ME!
“Hey, I am on base with meaner and I'm on base with the fact that Walt is a liar as he can't produce a single shred of evidence showing us LHO altered his own chin for any reason!” (Robert)
“Of course he can. What *YOU* can't provide is evidence to support what you claimed he said.” (Ben Holmes–11/17/09)
STRONGER COUNTENANCE and MEANER are not mutually exclusive as he claimed. RABID COMMUNIST and MEANER are not mutually exclusive as he claimed.
Ben would then do the UNTHINKABLE, he would ALIGN all those who "knew" the case with Walt's lying claim!
“I have quoted Walt saying LHO altered his own chin, and he has FAILED TO OFFER ANY EVIDENCE FOR THIS CLAIM.” (Robert)
“Perhaps he has. It is, however, evident to those who know this case.” (Ben Holmes – 11/17/09)
Uh, new flash, NO IT ISN'T!
It would go on and on. The fact that someone altered the chin would be used as evidence that LHO did it by both of them. The fact that the other copies had the SAME EXACT altering would not be explained by them. Does anyone want to guess at the odds of this happening?
Just more lies by Walt, and more jiving by Ben to protect him. Then they have the gall to claim to be CTers!