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At one point New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison’s investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) focused on an attorney he had known since law school – Dean Andrews.
One of the things that drew his attention to Andrews was that he had contact with JFK accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) prior to the assassination. It was in the summer of 1963. Here is what Andrews testified to.
Mr. LIEBELER - I am advised by the FBI that you told them that Lee Harvey Oswald came into your office some time during the summer of 1963. Would you tell us in your own words just what happened as far as that is concerned?
Mr. ANDREWS - I don't recall the dates, but briefly, it is this: Oswald came in the office accompanied by some gay kids. They were Mexicanos. He wanted to find out what could be done in connection with a discharge, a yellow paper discharge, so I explained to him he would have to advance the funds to transcribe whatever records they had up in the Adjutant General's office. When he brought the money, I would do the work, and we saw him three or four times subsequent to that, not in the company of the gay kids. He had this Mexicano with him. I assume he is a Mex because the Latins do not wear a butch haircut.
When was the LHO accused of assassinating JFK known to hang around with Mexican “gay kids?” At no time from what I have read over the years. Was this the LHO we know or someone else?
This visit was in regards to LHO’s dishonorable discharge from the United States Marine Corps (USMC), and we did see a repeated attempt by someone to address this issue. There were letters and telegrams sent to the Secretary of the Navy about this issue, but it was never shown to be the LHO that was arrested on November 22, 1963, that authored them.
Andrews told the Warren Commission (WC) that LHO visited between three to five times in total. LHO also brought up the issue of citizenship. Andrews knew that he was a United States citizen so Andrews surmised the conversation was about LHO’s wife. The issue that caught Garrison’s attention involved Andrews and LHO after the assassination.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did there come a time after the assassination when you had some further involvement with Oswald, or at least an apparent involvement with Oswald; as I understand it?
Mr. ANDREWS - No; nothing at all with Oswald. I was in Hotel Dieu, and the phone rang and a voice I recognized as Clay Bertrand asked me if I would go to Dallas and Houston--I think--Dallas, I guess, wherever it was that this boy was being held--and defend him. I told him I was sick in the hospital. If I couldn't go, I would find somebody that could go.
Mr. LIEBELER - You told him you were sick in the hospital and what?
Mr. ANDREWS - That's where I was when the call came through. It came through the hospital switchboard. I said that I wasn't in shape enough to go to Dallas and defend him and I would see what I could do.
Mr. LIEBELER - Now what can you tell us about this Clay Bertrand? You met him prior to that time?
Mr. ANDREWS - I had seen Clay Bertrand once some time ago, probably a couple of years. He's the one who calls in behalf of gay kids normally, either to obtain bond or parole for them. I would assume that he was the one that originally sent Oswald and the gay kids, these Mexicanos, to the office because I had never seen those people before at all. They were just walk-ins.
Mr. LIEBELER - You say that you think you saw Clay Bertrand some time about 2 years prior to the time you received this telephone call that you have just told us about?
Mr. ANDREWS - Yes; he is mostly a voice on the phone.
Mr. LIEBELER - What day did you receive the telephone call from Clay Bertrand asking you to defend Oswald?
Mr. ANDREWS - I don't remember. It was a Friday or a Saturday.
Mr. LIEBELER - Immediately following the assassination?
Mr. ANDREWS - I don't know about that. I didn't know. Yes; I did. I guess I did because I was--they told me I was squirrelly in the hospital.
There's a lot to unpack here. Andrews received a telephone call while he was in the hospital. He said that it was Clay Bertrand (Clay Shaw). He was sure of this because he had received calls from him before so he knew his voice. He asked Andrews to represent LHO since he had been arrested for killing J.D. Tippit (JDT) on November 22, 1963. He said that he wasn’t able to go to Dallas, but would see what he could do. Obviously, he couldn’t do anything as LHO never received legal assistance before he was killed. Why didn’t Andrews follow through on this promise?
He mentioned that Bertrand called on behalf of “gay kids" normally so this is important as well. Both calling on behalf of LHO and the “gay kids" are keys to showing that LHO, or someone who impersonated him, had ties to Clay Shaw.
Andrews told the WC that he met Bertrand once, but he told Garrison that he never met him. “Scout's honor, my man.” (“On The Trail Of The Assassins” [OTTOTA], p. 79 [hardcover edition.]) Something doesn’t add up here. Garrison chalked it up to Andrews realizing the danger that call from Bertrand put him in. Andrews told the FBI agents interviewing him to, “Write what you want, that I am nuts. I don’t care.” The FBI agents complied by writing that the call was “a figment of his imagination.” (OTTOTA, pp. 80-81)
Garrison took Andrews to lunch in early 1967 in an effort to learn who Clay Bertrand was. Andrews said that he didn’t what he looked like and just received cases from him via the telephone.
Andrews also figured in a meeting at Shaw’s apartment that involved David Ferrie and Edward Whalen.
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At first only Shaw, Ferrie, and Whalen were in the apartment, and Shaw and Ferrie were trying to persuade Whalen to go through with the plan. After about a half hour, a short fat man wearing dark glasses wandered in. Shaw introduced him as Dean Andrews. Andrews and Shaw conversed for awhile away from Ferrie and Whalen, and shortly thereafter Andrews left the apartment.
Shaw then turned to Whalen and continued to try to persuade him. Shaw said he had done some checking on Whalen and he knew that Whalen's daughter suffered from polio. Shaw said that if Whalen would go through with the plan, he would get Whalen's daughter the finest medical treatment money could buy and also see to it that she was sent to college. However, Whalen insisted that he would not kill a district attorney, and he and Ferrie left. (Ibid., pp. 123-124)
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This meeting was held to discuss trying to get Edward Whalen to kill Jim Garrison. (For full details see the “Garrison Chronicles” on Whalen.) This in and of itself shows that Andrews had met Bertrand/Shaw at least once. In all likelihood he met him more than that as no one is invited to join a discussion about killing a district attorney if they are unknown to those there. After this meeting Ferrie said that they were given inside information from Andrews about Garrison starting an investigation into the JFK assassination.
Garrison knew the crux of the matter was showing that Bertrand was in fact Shaw. The prosecution called Mrs. Jesse Parker who was a hostess at the V.I.P. room of the New Orleans International Airport. She testified that in December of 1966 she witnessed Clay Shaw sign the guest register “Clay Bertrand.” She located the signature in the register and pointed to Shaw as the man who signed it. To further confirm this the prosecution called Mrs. Elizabeth McCarthy who was a handwriting expert from Boston. She had studied the “Clay Bertrand” signature and reached a conclusion. “It is my opinion that it is highly probable that Clay Shaw signed the signature.” (Ibid., pp. 241-242)
The defense only had Andrews to counter this. He said that Shaw was most definitely not Bertrand, but what was left out was he was found guilty of perjury before the Grand Jury when he gave similar testimony under oath. (Ibid., p. 243)
Claw Shaw denied ever using the name “Bertrand”; that he ever knew LHO; that he ever called Andrews to represent LHO; and that he knew David Ferrie. What else would we expect him to say?
The most interesting thing about Andrews, to me at least, was his belief that LHO did NOT kill JFK.
Mr. LIEBELER - Do you mean to suggest by that statement that you have considerable doubt in your mind that Oswald killed the President?
Mr. ANDREWS – I know good and well he did not. With that weapon, he couldn't have been capable of making three controlled shots in that short time.
Mr. LIEBELER - You base that judgment on the fact that, in your own experience, it is difficult to do that sort of thing?
Mr. ANDREWS - You have to stay with it. You just don't pick up a rifle or a pistol or whatever weapon you are using and stay proficient with it. You have to know what you are doing. You have to be a conniver. This boy could have connived the deal, but I think he is a patsy. Somebody else pulled the trigger.
Well said. Was this more than just common sense? Or did he have some knowledge of the conspiracy? We will never know unfortunately.
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At one point New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison’s investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) focused on an attorney he had known since law school – Dean Andrews.
One of the things that drew his attention to Andrews was that he had contact with JFK accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) prior to the assassination. It was in the summer of 1963. Here is what Andrews testified to.
Mr. LIEBELER - I am advised by the FBI that you told them that Lee Harvey Oswald came into your office some time during the summer of 1963. Would you tell us in your own words just what happened as far as that is concerned?
Mr. ANDREWS - I don't recall the dates, but briefly, it is this: Oswald came in the office accompanied by some gay kids. They were Mexicanos. He wanted to find out what could be done in connection with a discharge, a yellow paper discharge, so I explained to him he would have to advance the funds to transcribe whatever records they had up in the Adjutant General's office. When he brought the money, I would do the work, and we saw him three or four times subsequent to that, not in the company of the gay kids. He had this Mexicano with him. I assume he is a Mex because the Latins do not wear a butch haircut.
When was the LHO accused of assassinating JFK known to hang around with Mexican “gay kids?” At no time from what I have read over the years. Was this the LHO we know or someone else?
This visit was in regards to LHO’s dishonorable discharge from the United States Marine Corps (USMC), and we did see a repeated attempt by someone to address this issue. There were letters and telegrams sent to the Secretary of the Navy about this issue, but it was never shown to be the LHO that was arrested on November 22, 1963, that authored them.
Andrews told the Warren Commission (WC) that LHO visited between three to five times in total. LHO also brought up the issue of citizenship. Andrews knew that he was a United States citizen so Andrews surmised the conversation was about LHO’s wife. The issue that caught Garrison’s attention involved Andrews and LHO after the assassination.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did there come a time after the assassination when you had some further involvement with Oswald, or at least an apparent involvement with Oswald; as I understand it?
Mr. ANDREWS - No; nothing at all with Oswald. I was in Hotel Dieu, and the phone rang and a voice I recognized as Clay Bertrand asked me if I would go to Dallas and Houston--I think--Dallas, I guess, wherever it was that this boy was being held--and defend him. I told him I was sick in the hospital. If I couldn't go, I would find somebody that could go.
Mr. LIEBELER - You told him you were sick in the hospital and what?
Mr. ANDREWS - That's where I was when the call came through. It came through the hospital switchboard. I said that I wasn't in shape enough to go to Dallas and defend him and I would see what I could do.
Mr. LIEBELER - Now what can you tell us about this Clay Bertrand? You met him prior to that time?
Mr. ANDREWS - I had seen Clay Bertrand once some time ago, probably a couple of years. He's the one who calls in behalf of gay kids normally, either to obtain bond or parole for them. I would assume that he was the one that originally sent Oswald and the gay kids, these Mexicanos, to the office because I had never seen those people before at all. They were just walk-ins.
Mr. LIEBELER - You say that you think you saw Clay Bertrand some time about 2 years prior to the time you received this telephone call that you have just told us about?
Mr. ANDREWS - Yes; he is mostly a voice on the phone.
Mr. LIEBELER - What day did you receive the telephone call from Clay Bertrand asking you to defend Oswald?
Mr. ANDREWS - I don't remember. It was a Friday or a Saturday.
Mr. LIEBELER - Immediately following the assassination?
Mr. ANDREWS - I don't know about that. I didn't know. Yes; I did. I guess I did because I was--they told me I was squirrelly in the hospital.
There's a lot to unpack here. Andrews received a telephone call while he was in the hospital. He said that it was Clay Bertrand (Clay Shaw). He was sure of this because he had received calls from him before so he knew his voice. He asked Andrews to represent LHO since he had been arrested for killing J.D. Tippit (JDT) on November 22, 1963. He said that he wasn’t able to go to Dallas, but would see what he could do. Obviously, he couldn’t do anything as LHO never received legal assistance before he was killed. Why didn’t Andrews follow through on this promise?
He mentioned that Bertrand called on behalf of “gay kids" normally so this is important as well. Both calling on behalf of LHO and the “gay kids" are keys to showing that LHO, or someone who impersonated him, had ties to Clay Shaw.
Andrews told the WC that he met Bertrand once, but he told Garrison that he never met him. “Scout's honor, my man.” (“On The Trail Of The Assassins” [OTTOTA], p. 79 [hardcover edition.]) Something doesn’t add up here. Garrison chalked it up to Andrews realizing the danger that call from Bertrand put him in. Andrews told the FBI agents interviewing him to, “Write what you want, that I am nuts. I don’t care.” The FBI agents complied by writing that the call was “a figment of his imagination.” (OTTOTA, pp. 80-81)
Garrison took Andrews to lunch in early 1967 in an effort to learn who Clay Bertrand was. Andrews said that he didn’t what he looked like and just received cases from him via the telephone.
Andrews also figured in a meeting at Shaw’s apartment that involved David Ferrie and Edward Whalen.
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At first only Shaw, Ferrie, and Whalen were in the apartment, and Shaw and Ferrie were trying to persuade Whalen to go through with the plan. After about a half hour, a short fat man wearing dark glasses wandered in. Shaw introduced him as Dean Andrews. Andrews and Shaw conversed for awhile away from Ferrie and Whalen, and shortly thereafter Andrews left the apartment.
Shaw then turned to Whalen and continued to try to persuade him. Shaw said he had done some checking on Whalen and he knew that Whalen's daughter suffered from polio. Shaw said that if Whalen would go through with the plan, he would get Whalen's daughter the finest medical treatment money could buy and also see to it that she was sent to college. However, Whalen insisted that he would not kill a district attorney, and he and Ferrie left. (Ibid., pp. 123-124)
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This meeting was held to discuss trying to get Edward Whalen to kill Jim Garrison. (For full details see the “Garrison Chronicles” on Whalen.) This in and of itself shows that Andrews had met Bertrand/Shaw at least once. In all likelihood he met him more than that as no one is invited to join a discussion about killing a district attorney if they are unknown to those there. After this meeting Ferrie said that they were given inside information from Andrews about Garrison starting an investigation into the JFK assassination.
Garrison knew the crux of the matter was showing that Bertrand was in fact Shaw. The prosecution called Mrs. Jesse Parker who was a hostess at the V.I.P. room of the New Orleans International Airport. She testified that in December of 1966 she witnessed Clay Shaw sign the guest register “Clay Bertrand.” She located the signature in the register and pointed to Shaw as the man who signed it. To further confirm this the prosecution called Mrs. Elizabeth McCarthy who was a handwriting expert from Boston. She had studied the “Clay Bertrand” signature and reached a conclusion. “It is my opinion that it is highly probable that Clay Shaw signed the signature.” (Ibid., pp. 241-242)
The defense only had Andrews to counter this. He said that Shaw was most definitely not Bertrand, but what was left out was he was found guilty of perjury before the Grand Jury when he gave similar testimony under oath. (Ibid., p. 243)
Claw Shaw denied ever using the name “Bertrand”; that he ever knew LHO; that he ever called Andrews to represent LHO; and that he knew David Ferrie. What else would we expect him to say?
The most interesting thing about Andrews, to me at least, was his belief that LHO did NOT kill JFK.
Mr. LIEBELER - Do you mean to suggest by that statement that you have considerable doubt in your mind that Oswald killed the President?
Mr. ANDREWS – I know good and well he did not. With that weapon, he couldn't have been capable of making three controlled shots in that short time.
Mr. LIEBELER - You base that judgment on the fact that, in your own experience, it is difficult to do that sort of thing?
Mr. ANDREWS - You have to stay with it. You just don't pick up a rifle or a pistol or whatever weapon you are using and stay proficient with it. You have to know what you are doing. You have to be a conniver. This boy could have connived the deal, but I think he is a patsy. Somebody else pulled the trigger.
Well said. Was this more than just common sense? Or did he have some knowledge of the conspiracy? We will never know unfortunately.