Post by Rob Caprio on Dec 2, 2020 21:27:58 GMT -5
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(Note: This is the third part look at the 6.5 mm ammunition allegedly used in the JFK assassination. For the first and second parts see numbers 318 and 408.)
The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) assassinated President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on November 22, 1963, using an Italian Mannlicher-Carcano (M-C).
The WC failed to provide evidence showing that LHO had ever purchased 6.5 mm ammunition that was needed for the alleged murder weapon. We have looked at this issue previously in this series, so I won’t cover the same ground again in this post.
We have also looked at the reliability of the ammunition in this series since it was shown that this was at least nineteen-years-old, and possibly twenty-years old. This post will cover different things in regard to this topic to provide the reader with an even fuller picture of how ridiculous the official claim is.
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As we saw previously in this series LHO could have purchased ammunition from Klein’s Sporting Goods (KSG) for $7.50 (catalog number E20-751) and this would have provided him with 108 rounds plus a free clip, but supposedly LHO opted not to do this. The Dallas Police Department (DPD) and the WC would never furnish the American people with any evidence that showed where LHO would have obtained the ammunition and the clip. This is a huge hole in their claim.
Not long after the assassination Italian reporter Augusto Marcelli of the magazine L’Europeo interviewed KSG president Milton P. Klein regarding the rifle LHO allegedly ordered from his mail-order house. Mr. Klein confirmed that the rifle allegedly shipped to LHO already had a telescopic sight attached to it, thus, the order form with the name “Oswald” on it at the Irving gun shop for a scope to be added either had to be fake or another Oswald. What are the odds that there was another Oswald in Irving, Texas, who needed a scope added to their rifle just a month before the assassination? Slim to none is the answer.
The order form that Dial Ryder had found and brought to the attention of the authorities is a key piece of evidence for showing that a conspiracy was at work in the murder of JFK. There was a conscious thought to create evidence pointing to LHO a month before the assassination. It is unlikely that LHO would have done this himself, and it is even more doubtful when one remembers that his alleged rifle already had a scope on it.
Mr. Klein confirmed that the rifle allegedly sent to LHO already had a scope and he further told Marcelli that he had told the FBI this, but “they seemed to pay no attention.” Of course, they didn’t as at the DPD were trumpeting the order ticket for the scope as proof positive of LHO’s guilt at the time.
We know for sure that LHO never purchased any ammunition from KSG as Mr. Klein told Mark Lane as much during another interview. He said that they never sold ammunition to LHO. So where did he purchase it from? We do not know since the WC never found out for us. Neither did the House Select Committee On Assassinations (HSCA).
Not a single round of 6.5 mm ammunition was ever found on LHO, in his roominghouse or at the Paine residence. Thus, we are asked to believe that he only had four rounds and he used them on November 22, 1963. What did he practice with? Who knows, but this works out well since there is no evidence that he ever practiced with the M-C anyway.
This is an interesting quote in regards to the age of the alleged ammunition that LHO allegedly used on November 22, 1963.
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A former U.S. Secret Serviceman on the White House detail makes an interesting point: That the ammunition for the Italian-made rifle (presumably used by Lee Oswald to kill President) has not been manufactured since end of World War II. It is difficult to hit your target says M. Lipson (now Investigations Commissioner in Nassau County) when you are using stale ammunition... (Walter Winchell, Journal American, December 6, 1963)
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This is exactly right. Nineteen or twenty-year-old ammunition would be stale, and this would affect the performance of the bullets. Of course, this point was not considered by the WC or its current day defenders. I wonder why?
The early coverage of the assassination by the press is where you will find the most truth. Here is more of it.
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But perhaps most fateful of all, target shooters and collectors of firearms believe, was the chance which placed three consecutive live rounds in the rifle chamber.
There are great quantities of bad ammunition in the surplus supplies of this particular type and caliber. Most of the war surplus ammunition for this rifle was made around 1935, with some dated as early as 1918.
It has been long stored, moved and removed, sold and resold, and subjected to various conditions of deterioration.
The owner of a 6.5-mm rifle, a duplicate of the assassin's weapon, told this newspaper that he went to a range outside the city to fire 20 rounds of surplus ammunition. Seventeen of the 20 rounds failed to fire. (Ed Wallace, New York Word-Telegram and Sun, December 4, 1963)
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This illustrates the ridiculousness of the official claim. The ammunition in question was old. Saying that it was twenty-years-old may be kind as it could have been even older since the article said that the majority of the surplus ammunition dated back to 1935 in terms of the latest it could have been manufactured. Some of it dated back as far as 1918!
The last part of the quoted portion says it all. When a rifle similar to the alleged murder weapon was fired using surplus ammunition only 3 out of 20 rounds actually fired ! And yet, we are asked to believe that ALL three of LHO’s alleged shots fired! Oh, that’s right, he was using “magic bullets” supposedly.
Senator Thomas Dodd was leading a Senate subcommittee which was looking into mail-order gun crime at the time of the assassination, and one of the businesses that they were looking into was KSG. Senator Dodd would be interviewed regarding this work and here is what he had to say about what they had found.
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Senator Dodd pointed out that his subcommittee had been concerned not so much with the products of the American gun industry as with cheap foreign imports, which are the ones finding their way into the mail-order gun trade.
These imported weapons are poorly designed and engineered, Senator Dodd's subcommittee was informed by experts. The military surplus items which are purchased in Europe and sold here as `scrap' have been reworked to the point where they are even dangerous to discharge. (Josephine Ripley, Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1963)
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Again, the WC claimed that LHO used a rifle like this to assassinate JFK. They further claimed that he completed this task in a time frame that no expert could match even when they were attempting it under better conditions. When we add in the supposed use of vintage ammunition, we realize that the WC Report must have been written by Walt Disney since it is pure fantasy.
LHO would have faced danger just by discharging the M-C, but of course he really wouldn’t have had to worry since the vast majority of the old ammunition wouldn’t even have discharged!
Once again we see evidence that shows the claims of the WC are false, therefore, their conclusion is sunk.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/6.5_lineup.color.corrected.png/1208px-6.5_lineup.color.corrected.png
(Note: This is the third part look at the 6.5 mm ammunition allegedly used in the JFK assassination. For the first and second parts see numbers 318 and 408.)
The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) assassinated President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on November 22, 1963, using an Italian Mannlicher-Carcano (M-C).
The WC failed to provide evidence showing that LHO had ever purchased 6.5 mm ammunition that was needed for the alleged murder weapon. We have looked at this issue previously in this series, so I won’t cover the same ground again in this post.
We have also looked at the reliability of the ammunition in this series since it was shown that this was at least nineteen-years-old, and possibly twenty-years old. This post will cover different things in regard to this topic to provide the reader with an even fuller picture of how ridiculous the official claim is.
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As we saw previously in this series LHO could have purchased ammunition from Klein’s Sporting Goods (KSG) for $7.50 (catalog number E20-751) and this would have provided him with 108 rounds plus a free clip, but supposedly LHO opted not to do this. The Dallas Police Department (DPD) and the WC would never furnish the American people with any evidence that showed where LHO would have obtained the ammunition and the clip. This is a huge hole in their claim.
Not long after the assassination Italian reporter Augusto Marcelli of the magazine L’Europeo interviewed KSG president Milton P. Klein regarding the rifle LHO allegedly ordered from his mail-order house. Mr. Klein confirmed that the rifle allegedly shipped to LHO already had a telescopic sight attached to it, thus, the order form with the name “Oswald” on it at the Irving gun shop for a scope to be added either had to be fake or another Oswald. What are the odds that there was another Oswald in Irving, Texas, who needed a scope added to their rifle just a month before the assassination? Slim to none is the answer.
The order form that Dial Ryder had found and brought to the attention of the authorities is a key piece of evidence for showing that a conspiracy was at work in the murder of JFK. There was a conscious thought to create evidence pointing to LHO a month before the assassination. It is unlikely that LHO would have done this himself, and it is even more doubtful when one remembers that his alleged rifle already had a scope on it.
Mr. Klein confirmed that the rifle allegedly sent to LHO already had a scope and he further told Marcelli that he had told the FBI this, but “they seemed to pay no attention.” Of course, they didn’t as at the DPD were trumpeting the order ticket for the scope as proof positive of LHO’s guilt at the time.
We know for sure that LHO never purchased any ammunition from KSG as Mr. Klein told Mark Lane as much during another interview. He said that they never sold ammunition to LHO. So where did he purchase it from? We do not know since the WC never found out for us. Neither did the House Select Committee On Assassinations (HSCA).
Not a single round of 6.5 mm ammunition was ever found on LHO, in his roominghouse or at the Paine residence. Thus, we are asked to believe that he only had four rounds and he used them on November 22, 1963. What did he practice with? Who knows, but this works out well since there is no evidence that he ever practiced with the M-C anyway.
This is an interesting quote in regards to the age of the alleged ammunition that LHO allegedly used on November 22, 1963.
Quote on
A former U.S. Secret Serviceman on the White House detail makes an interesting point: That the ammunition for the Italian-made rifle (presumably used by Lee Oswald to kill President) has not been manufactured since end of World War II. It is difficult to hit your target says M. Lipson (now Investigations Commissioner in Nassau County) when you are using stale ammunition... (Walter Winchell, Journal American, December 6, 1963)
Quote off
This is exactly right. Nineteen or twenty-year-old ammunition would be stale, and this would affect the performance of the bullets. Of course, this point was not considered by the WC or its current day defenders. I wonder why?
The early coverage of the assassination by the press is where you will find the most truth. Here is more of it.
Quote on
But perhaps most fateful of all, target shooters and collectors of firearms believe, was the chance which placed three consecutive live rounds in the rifle chamber.
There are great quantities of bad ammunition in the surplus supplies of this particular type and caliber. Most of the war surplus ammunition for this rifle was made around 1935, with some dated as early as 1918.
It has been long stored, moved and removed, sold and resold, and subjected to various conditions of deterioration.
The owner of a 6.5-mm rifle, a duplicate of the assassin's weapon, told this newspaper that he went to a range outside the city to fire 20 rounds of surplus ammunition. Seventeen of the 20 rounds failed to fire. (Ed Wallace, New York Word-Telegram and Sun, December 4, 1963)
Quote off
This illustrates the ridiculousness of the official claim. The ammunition in question was old. Saying that it was twenty-years-old may be kind as it could have been even older since the article said that the majority of the surplus ammunition dated back to 1935 in terms of the latest it could have been manufactured. Some of it dated back as far as 1918!
The last part of the quoted portion says it all. When a rifle similar to the alleged murder weapon was fired using surplus ammunition only 3 out of 20 rounds actually fired ! And yet, we are asked to believe that ALL three of LHO’s alleged shots fired! Oh, that’s right, he was using “magic bullets” supposedly.
Senator Thomas Dodd was leading a Senate subcommittee which was looking into mail-order gun crime at the time of the assassination, and one of the businesses that they were looking into was KSG. Senator Dodd would be interviewed regarding this work and here is what he had to say about what they had found.
Quote on
Senator Dodd pointed out that his subcommittee had been concerned not so much with the products of the American gun industry as with cheap foreign imports, which are the ones finding their way into the mail-order gun trade.
These imported weapons are poorly designed and engineered, Senator Dodd's subcommittee was informed by experts. The military surplus items which are purchased in Europe and sold here as `scrap' have been reworked to the point where they are even dangerous to discharge. (Josephine Ripley, Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1963)
Quote off
Again, the WC claimed that LHO used a rifle like this to assassinate JFK. They further claimed that he completed this task in a time frame that no expert could match even when they were attempting it under better conditions. When we add in the supposed use of vintage ammunition, we realize that the WC Report must have been written by Walt Disney since it is pure fantasy.
LHO would have faced danger just by discharging the M-C, but of course he really wouldn’t have had to worry since the vast majority of the old ammunition wouldn’t even have discharged!
Once again we see evidence that shows the claims of the WC are false, therefore, their conclusion is sunk.