Post by Rob Caprio on Dec 19, 2020 21:25:14 GMT -5
All portions ©️ Robert Caprio 2006-2024
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben Holmes will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben Holmes will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Now let's add in Ben's own notice to lurkers for his series as he is DOING THE SAME THING HE ACCUSES THE TROLLS OF DOING!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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Ben Holmes has told a WHOPPER OF A LIE folks! After weeks of saying the FBI had AUTOMATIC JURISDICTION over ALL FELONIES, whether they violate federal, local and state laws, he NOW says he has NEVER SAID anything like that!
Background: President John F. Kennedy’s (JFK) murder was a local felony in 1963 as there was NO law in place making it a federal crime at that point, the Congress would change this in 1965 with new legislation, but on November 22, 1963, the murder of our 35th President was the same legally as that of a murder of a tramp.
The FBI with NO jurisdiction (they have jurisdiction ONLY over crimes that violate federal laws and interstate crimes) made the Dallas Police Department (DPD) send them all the evidence on the night of November 22-23, and thus, broke the laws of evidence handling (i.e. chain of custody).
Ben has been arguing they have AUTOMATIC (it has to be this way as they took the evidence BEFORE President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) GAVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO HAVE IT) JURISDICTION over ALL FELONIES no matter what law they break! He thinks, or wishes, that we live in a police state! He thinks federal laws supercede all local and state laws!
He would give us a federal law, Title 18, Section 3052, for this claim and of course the law SAYS NO SUCH THING!
NOW, to the lie in this post. He has made these comments and more about the FBI having automatic jurisdiction over all felonies.
“All I need to say is the assassination of a president was NOT a federal crime in 1963!” (Robert)
“So you're asserting that the FBI has jurisdiction *ONLY* over "federal" crimes?” (Ben Holmes – 9/4/09)
And:
“The law in 1963 made the murder of JFK a STATE and local crime, NOT a federal one!” (Robert)
“Was it a felony, by any chance?” (Ben Holmes – 9/8/09)
And:
“Unfortunately for you, the FBI *DOES* have jurisdiction over felonies. Not sole jurisdiction, but they *do* by law have it.” (Ben Holmes – 9/8/09)
And:
“Presidential assassination was NOT a federal crime in 1963 so the FBI had NO legal rights.” (Robert)
“Was it a felony? Title 18, United States Code, Section 3052 says otherwise... “ (Ben Holmes – 9/8/09)
Note: This one is the best as it shows he is trying to apply a FEDERAL LAW to a local crime!
And:
“The act of killing a President was NOT a Federal crime in 1963,” (Robert, edited by Ben)
“You've been running, Robsie... are only "federal" crimes a felony?” (Ben Holmes–9/9/09)
And:
“They didn't have *sole* jurisdiction, but they were given it.” (Ben Holmes– 9/9/09)
Note: They had NO jurisdiction and they were NOT given it UNTIL November 26, 1963, AFTER they contaminated all the evidence!
And:
“In fact, he is NOW arguing they have jurisdiction in ALL FELONIES!” (Robert)
“That is, in fact, what the law states. Why would I argue with the law?” (Ben Holmes – 9/9/09)
Note: He has cited NOTHING but a federal law that has NO legal authority over local felonies.
And:
“Unfortunately for you, the FBI *DOES* have jurisdiction over felonies. Not sole jurisdiction, but they *do* by law have it.” (Ben Holmes – 9/8/09)
And:
“LOL!! YOU are a liar as the FBI would have NO time to investigate EVERY felony in the U.S. Boy, this guy lies more than a rug in the Taj Mahal, huh?
Show us this law, and I want it circa 1963 too!” (Robert)
“Title 18, section 3052. Last amended in 1951. Ouch!” (Ben Holmes – 9/9/09)
And:
“You mean the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction over felonies?” (Ben Holmes – 9/24/09)
“NOT over LOCAL AND STATE FELONIES! AND THAT IS WHAT JFK'S MURDER WAS IN 1963.” (Robert)
And:
“The sad truth is that conspiracy need not be argued with sloppy and inaccurate arguments. The FBI didn't have *SOLE* jurisdiction over the murder of a President in 1963, but they certainly *DID* have jurisdiction.” (Ben Holmes – 9/17/09)
Note: The FBI had NO jurisdiction UNTIL LBJ gave it to them on November 26, 1963, and they say so on their OWN WEBSITE!
Quote on
A national tragedy produced another expansion of FBI jurisdiction. When President Kennedy was assassinated, the crime was a local homicide; no federal law addressed the murder of a President. Nevertheless, President Lyndon B. Johnson tasked the Bureau with conducting the investigation. Congress then passed a new law to ensure that any such act in the future would be a federal crime.
www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/history/text.htm
Note: The FBI took this part down as it highlighted that they had no jurisdiction unless it was a conspiracy. Here is the Warren Commission (WC) saying the same thing in their report.
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0239b.htm
Quote off
There were more, but I can't save everyone of his lies! Then the pattern of lying about HIS OWN WORDS started with things like this.
“When will we see the law that gives the FBI JURISDICTION over all felonies in this country whether they violate a federal statute or not?” (Robert)
“Never. You will *NEVER* cite it.” (Ben Holmes – 9/14/09)
Note: Why would *I* cite for it when *HE* was the one saying it? This is called "transference" as he was trying to move his obvious lie to me. He did the same thing with some "pre-determined list" of people he came up with.
“So, we are waiting for Robsie to cite for his claim that there's a list of people authorized to be in the chain of custody...” (Ben Holmes, edited by me – 9/14/09)
He made up the claim and then dumps it onto me!
NOW, back to his lies about NEVER saying what I have quoted ad nauseum above.
“YOU are the one lying and claiming the FBI gets AUTOMATIC JURISDICTION over all felonies and we have seen you are a liar.” (Robert)
“Still child molesting, I see. You know quite well that I've *NEVER* made such an assertion, indeed, it's *YOUR* assertion, as you admit.” (Ben Holmes – 9/18/09)
Here he pulls out his "trump card!" He uses the "child molestation" stuff when he CLAIMS others "put words into his mouth", but we have seen he is the ONLY one that really does this. I am stating EXACTLY what he said for weeks, but NOW he is RUNNING FROM HIS OWN WORDS and calling me a liar for QUOTING HIM BACK HIS OWN WORDS!
His habit of constantly calling people “child molesters" finally made me realize that “Ben Holmes” was really John McAdams as he had a history of this tactic. Furthermore, he vowed to destroy ACJ and what better way is there then to play a CTer who attacks all other CTers with vile stuff like this?
His lies would continue!
“YOU made a claim, that the FBI has AUTOMATIC JURISDICTION OVER ALL FELONIES (local or federal), and YOU have failed to support this. YOU gave us a cite that did NOT support your lie.” (Robert)
“Never feel the need to cite for things I've never said.” (Ben Holmes – 9/21/09)
Obviously, someone with a BRAIN THAT FUNCTIONS got to him, and told him he was wrong, so we see a continual backtracking pattern here. INSTEAD of admitting he was wrong -- HE CHOOSES TO LIE ABOUT HIS OWN WORDS!
NOW we come to yesterday's WHOPPER LIE! I'm sorry for making this so long but we all know how dishonest Ben is, right? IF you don't lay it out he will simply lie (he will anyway, but NOW the truth has been shown) about everything! A man who lies ABOUT HIS OWN WORDS CANNOT be trusted at anytime, and we see he lies about his words and yours all the time.
“Top Post: Why is Ben RUNNING from his claim that the FBI gets AUTOMATIC JURISDICTION over ALL felonies -- EVEN AT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL?” (Robert)
“**Never said it. You can't quote me saying it.** Sadly, I *CAN* quote you saying that the Death Certificate asserts that the cause of death was a "high velocity rifle". “ (Ben Holmes – 9/28/09)
He never said it? I can't quote him saying it either? I have ONLY.done this like 20 times already and just did again! What kind of loser LIES ABOUT HIS OWN WORDS like he does?
What a nutcase we have here, huh?
I'll end with two more quotes that go to the heart of the matter. This one cuts to the chase as it were, I simply said IF you are going to insist on saying a FEDERAL LAW pertains to local and state laws too, then show us where it says that!
Here he FINALLY ADMITS he is a liar as he RUNS INSTEAD!
“SHOW us the part of Title 18, Section 3052 that PERTAINS TO LOCAL AND STATE FELONIES!” (Robert)
“Nope. Don't need to. The law itself referred only to "felonies". Section 1111 clearly defines murder as a felony.” (Ben Holmes – 9/24/09)
He is lying as any first year law student knows FEDERAL LAWS do NOT pertain to local crimes and vice a versa! He has a pattern of making lying claims and then when pushed for a cite he always uses the same old line -- "YOU can't prove anything to a kook!"
How convenient for him, huh? This last quote is a GEM and sums up this moron's state of mind perfectly!
“As sad as it is to say, after three other Presidents were assassinated, the murder of a President was a LOCAL CRIME in 1963.” (Robert)
“It's *still* a local crime. It does indeed take place "local" - to those who are local.” (Ben Holmes – 9/15/09)
LOL!!! Oh my!!!! LOL!!! What a moron we have here, huh? Check that, what we have here is a moronic, lying WC shill!
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben Holmes will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben Holmes will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now let's add in Ben's own notice to lurkers for his series as he is DOING THE SAME THING HE ACCUSES THE TROLLS OF DOING!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Ben Holmes has told a WHOPPER OF A LIE folks! After weeks of saying the FBI had AUTOMATIC JURISDICTION over ALL FELONIES, whether they violate federal, local and state laws, he NOW says he has NEVER SAID anything like that!
Background: President John F. Kennedy’s (JFK) murder was a local felony in 1963 as there was NO law in place making it a federal crime at that point, the Congress would change this in 1965 with new legislation, but on November 22, 1963, the murder of our 35th President was the same legally as that of a murder of a tramp.
The FBI with NO jurisdiction (they have jurisdiction ONLY over crimes that violate federal laws and interstate crimes) made the Dallas Police Department (DPD) send them all the evidence on the night of November 22-23, and thus, broke the laws of evidence handling (i.e. chain of custody).
Ben has been arguing they have AUTOMATIC (it has to be this way as they took the evidence BEFORE President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) GAVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO HAVE IT) JURISDICTION over ALL FELONIES no matter what law they break! He thinks, or wishes, that we live in a police state! He thinks federal laws supercede all local and state laws!
He would give us a federal law, Title 18, Section 3052, for this claim and of course the law SAYS NO SUCH THING!
NOW, to the lie in this post. He has made these comments and more about the FBI having automatic jurisdiction over all felonies.
“All I need to say is the assassination of a president was NOT a federal crime in 1963!” (Robert)
“So you're asserting that the FBI has jurisdiction *ONLY* over "federal" crimes?” (Ben Holmes – 9/4/09)
And:
“The law in 1963 made the murder of JFK a STATE and local crime, NOT a federal one!” (Robert)
“Was it a felony, by any chance?” (Ben Holmes – 9/8/09)
And:
“Unfortunately for you, the FBI *DOES* have jurisdiction over felonies. Not sole jurisdiction, but they *do* by law have it.” (Ben Holmes – 9/8/09)
And:
“Presidential assassination was NOT a federal crime in 1963 so the FBI had NO legal rights.” (Robert)
“Was it a felony? Title 18, United States Code, Section 3052 says otherwise... “ (Ben Holmes – 9/8/09)
Note: This one is the best as it shows he is trying to apply a FEDERAL LAW to a local crime!
And:
“The act of killing a President was NOT a Federal crime in 1963,” (Robert, edited by Ben)
“You've been running, Robsie... are only "federal" crimes a felony?” (Ben Holmes–9/9/09)
And:
“They didn't have *sole* jurisdiction, but they were given it.” (Ben Holmes– 9/9/09)
Note: They had NO jurisdiction and they were NOT given it UNTIL November 26, 1963, AFTER they contaminated all the evidence!
And:
“In fact, he is NOW arguing they have jurisdiction in ALL FELONIES!” (Robert)
“That is, in fact, what the law states. Why would I argue with the law?” (Ben Holmes – 9/9/09)
Note: He has cited NOTHING but a federal law that has NO legal authority over local felonies.
And:
“Unfortunately for you, the FBI *DOES* have jurisdiction over felonies. Not sole jurisdiction, but they *do* by law have it.” (Ben Holmes – 9/8/09)
And:
“LOL!! YOU are a liar as the FBI would have NO time to investigate EVERY felony in the U.S. Boy, this guy lies more than a rug in the Taj Mahal, huh?
Show us this law, and I want it circa 1963 too!” (Robert)
“Title 18, section 3052. Last amended in 1951. Ouch!” (Ben Holmes – 9/9/09)
And:
“You mean the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction over felonies?” (Ben Holmes – 9/24/09)
“NOT over LOCAL AND STATE FELONIES! AND THAT IS WHAT JFK'S MURDER WAS IN 1963.” (Robert)
And:
“The sad truth is that conspiracy need not be argued with sloppy and inaccurate arguments. The FBI didn't have *SOLE* jurisdiction over the murder of a President in 1963, but they certainly *DID* have jurisdiction.” (Ben Holmes – 9/17/09)
Note: The FBI had NO jurisdiction UNTIL LBJ gave it to them on November 26, 1963, and they say so on their OWN WEBSITE!
Quote on
A national tragedy produced another expansion of FBI jurisdiction. When President Kennedy was assassinated, the crime was a local homicide; no federal law addressed the murder of a President. Nevertheless, President Lyndon B. Johnson tasked the Bureau with conducting the investigation. Congress then passed a new law to ensure that any such act in the future would be a federal crime.
www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/history/text.htm
Note: The FBI took this part down as it highlighted that they had no jurisdiction unless it was a conspiracy. Here is the Warren Commission (WC) saying the same thing in their report.
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0239b.htm
Quote off
There were more, but I can't save everyone of his lies! Then the pattern of lying about HIS OWN WORDS started with things like this.
“When will we see the law that gives the FBI JURISDICTION over all felonies in this country whether they violate a federal statute or not?” (Robert)
“Never. You will *NEVER* cite it.” (Ben Holmes – 9/14/09)
Note: Why would *I* cite for it when *HE* was the one saying it? This is called "transference" as he was trying to move his obvious lie to me. He did the same thing with some "pre-determined list" of people he came up with.
“So, we are waiting for Robsie to cite for his claim that there's a list of people authorized to be in the chain of custody...” (Ben Holmes, edited by me – 9/14/09)
He made up the claim and then dumps it onto me!
NOW, back to his lies about NEVER saying what I have quoted ad nauseum above.
“YOU are the one lying and claiming the FBI gets AUTOMATIC JURISDICTION over all felonies and we have seen you are a liar.” (Robert)
“Still child molesting, I see. You know quite well that I've *NEVER* made such an assertion, indeed, it's *YOUR* assertion, as you admit.” (Ben Holmes – 9/18/09)
Here he pulls out his "trump card!" He uses the "child molestation" stuff when he CLAIMS others "put words into his mouth", but we have seen he is the ONLY one that really does this. I am stating EXACTLY what he said for weeks, but NOW he is RUNNING FROM HIS OWN WORDS and calling me a liar for QUOTING HIM BACK HIS OWN WORDS!
His habit of constantly calling people “child molesters" finally made me realize that “Ben Holmes” was really John McAdams as he had a history of this tactic. Furthermore, he vowed to destroy ACJ and what better way is there then to play a CTer who attacks all other CTers with vile stuff like this?
His lies would continue!
“YOU made a claim, that the FBI has AUTOMATIC JURISDICTION OVER ALL FELONIES (local or federal), and YOU have failed to support this. YOU gave us a cite that did NOT support your lie.” (Robert)
“Never feel the need to cite for things I've never said.” (Ben Holmes – 9/21/09)
Obviously, someone with a BRAIN THAT FUNCTIONS got to him, and told him he was wrong, so we see a continual backtracking pattern here. INSTEAD of admitting he was wrong -- HE CHOOSES TO LIE ABOUT HIS OWN WORDS!
NOW we come to yesterday's WHOPPER LIE! I'm sorry for making this so long but we all know how dishonest Ben is, right? IF you don't lay it out he will simply lie (he will anyway, but NOW the truth has been shown) about everything! A man who lies ABOUT HIS OWN WORDS CANNOT be trusted at anytime, and we see he lies about his words and yours all the time.
“Top Post: Why is Ben RUNNING from his claim that the FBI gets AUTOMATIC JURISDICTION over ALL felonies -- EVEN AT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL?” (Robert)
“**Never said it. You can't quote me saying it.** Sadly, I *CAN* quote you saying that the Death Certificate asserts that the cause of death was a "high velocity rifle". “ (Ben Holmes – 9/28/09)
He never said it? I can't quote him saying it either? I have ONLY.done this like 20 times already and just did again! What kind of loser LIES ABOUT HIS OWN WORDS like he does?
What a nutcase we have here, huh?
I'll end with two more quotes that go to the heart of the matter. This one cuts to the chase as it were, I simply said IF you are going to insist on saying a FEDERAL LAW pertains to local and state laws too, then show us where it says that!
Here he FINALLY ADMITS he is a liar as he RUNS INSTEAD!
“SHOW us the part of Title 18, Section 3052 that PERTAINS TO LOCAL AND STATE FELONIES!” (Robert)
“Nope. Don't need to. The law itself referred only to "felonies". Section 1111 clearly defines murder as a felony.” (Ben Holmes – 9/24/09)
He is lying as any first year law student knows FEDERAL LAWS do NOT pertain to local crimes and vice a versa! He has a pattern of making lying claims and then when pushed for a cite he always uses the same old line -- "YOU can't prove anything to a kook!"
How convenient for him, huh? This last quote is a GEM and sums up this moron's state of mind perfectly!
“As sad as it is to say, after three other Presidents were assassinated, the murder of a President was a LOCAL CRIME in 1963.” (Robert)
“It's *still* a local crime. It does indeed take place "local" - to those who are local.” (Ben Holmes – 9/15/09)
LOL!!! Oh my!!!! LOL!!! What a moron we have here, huh? Check that, what we have here is a moronic, lying WC shill!