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We have shown in numerous posts that the Single Bullet THEORY (SBT) is just not possible, let alone the actual way it happened. We have also shown that the bullet presented as CE-399 was NOT the same bullet those that found it, saw it, and touched it remember. They all said a POINTY NOSE BULLET was found at Parkland Hospital (PH).
We will now look at the testimony of John B. Connally’s (JBC) attending physician that day at PH to see if he supports the SBT or disagrees with it.
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First of all, look at this question.
Senator COOPER - Do you desire an attorney to be with you?
Dr. SHAW - No.
Too bad no one was this concerned about Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) having an attorney present, huh? This is interesting too.
Mr. SPECTER - What experience, if any, have you had, Dr. Shaw, with bullet wounds?
Dr. SHAW - I have had civilian experience, both in the work at Parkland Hospital, where we see a great amount of trauma, and much of this involves bullet wounds from homicidal attempts and accidents.
The chief experience I had, however, was during the Second World War when I was serving as chief of the thoracic surgery center in Paris, France. And during this particular experience we admitted over 900 patients with chest wounds of various sort, many of them, of course, being shell fragments rather than bullet wounds.
And yet, the doctors of PH would be cast as unqualified to make determinations regarding bullet wounds per the Warren Commission (WC). The doctors of PH saw many gun wounds each year. That is simply a fact.
Mr. SPECTER - Were you called upon to render medical aid to Gov. John B. Connally on that day?
Dr. SHAW - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - At approximately what time did you arrive at the emergency room where Governor Connally was situated?
Dr. SHAW - As near as I could tell it was about 12:45.
Mr. SPECTER - What was Governor Connally's condition at that time, based on your observations?
Dr. SHAW - The Governor was complaining bitterly of difficulty in breathing, and of pain in his right chest. Prior to my arriving there, the men had very properly placed a tight occlusive dressing over what on later examination proved to be a large sucking wound in the front of his right chest, and they had inserted a rubber tube between the second and third ribs in the front of the right chest, carrying this tube to what we call a water seal bottle.
Mr. SPECTER - What was the purpose?
Dr. SHAW - Yes; this is done to re-expand the right lung which had collapsed due to the opening through the chest wall.
The examination and the ability of examining the wounds would come in the operating room. The operation began at 1:00 p.m. and lasted until 3:20 p.m. For the purpose of this post I will stick with the wrist wound alone as that is the key to the SBT issue in regards to JBC.
Mr. SPECTER - You have described, in a general way, the chest wound. What other wounds, if any, was Governor Connally suffering from at the time you saw him?
Dr. SHAW - I will describe then the wound of the wrist which was obvious. He had a wound of the lower right forearm that I did not accurately examine because I had already talked to Dr. Gregory while I was scrubbing for the operation, told him that this wound would need his attention as soon as we were able to get the chest in a satisfactory condition. There was also, I was told, I didn't see the wound, on the thigh, I was told that there was a small wound on the thigh which I saw later.
Mr. SPECTER - Who was in charge then of the subsequent care on the Governor's wrist?
Dr. SHAW - Dr. Charles Gregory who had been previously alerted and then came in to take care of the wrist.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, with respect to the wound on the wrist, did you have any opportunity to examine it by way of determining points of entry and exit?
Dr. SHAW - My examination of the wrist was a very cursory one. I could tell that there was a compound comminuted fracture because there was motion present, and there was a ragged wound just over the radius above the wrist joint. But that was the extent of my examination of the wrist.
Dr. Gregory was the man who dealt with the wrist wound the most, but Dr. Shaw would make some observations about the wrist wound and what was seen that matter here. This is a key statement by Dr. Shaw.
Senator COOPER - Why do you say you don't think it is the only possibility? What causes you now to say that it is the location----
Dr. SHAW - This is again the testimony that I believe Dr. Gregory will be giving, too. It is a matter of whether the wrist wound could be caused by the same bullet, and we felt that it could but we had not seen the bullets until today, and we still do not know which bullet actually inflicted the wound on Governor Connally.
Mr. DULLES - Or whether it was one or two wounds?
Dr. SHAW - Yes.
Mr. DULLES - Or two bullets?
Dr. SHAW - Yes; or three.
Mr. DULLES - Why do you say three?
Dr. SHAW - He has three separate wounds. He has a wound in the chest, a wound of the wrist, a wound of the thigh.
What does he mean they have NOT seen the bullets until TODAY (meaning the day he testified)? Why has he NOT seen them before? Notice how they did NOT rule out each wound being inflicted by different bullets.
Mr. McCLOY - You have no firm opinion that all these three wounds were caused by one bullet?
Dr. SHAW - I have no firm opinion.
Mr. McCLOY - That is right.
Dr. SHAW - Asking me this now if it was true. If you had asked me a month ago I would have.
Mr. DULLES - Could they have been caused by one bullet, in your opinion?
Dr. SHAW - They could.
We will see from later testimony by him that this is IMPOSSIBLE. He was just trying to stay noncommittal it seems at this point in time. He claimed not to have sufficient knowledge as to whether the bullet could have gone through JBC’s wrist and emerged intact or not, but come on, anybody with the least amount of experience knows this is not possible.
Mr. SPECTER - And indicates in the affirmative. Do you have sufficient knowledge of the wound of the wrist to render an opinion as to whether that bullet could have gone through Governor Connally's wrist and emerged being as much intact as it is?
Dr. SHAW - I do not.
Good thing the WC enlisted a man who does have the knowledge to let us know if CE-399 could have hit JBC’s radius bone and emerged in the condition we see or not.
Mr. SPECTER. I now hand you a bullet in a case marked Commission Exhibit 856 and ask if you have ever seen that before?
Dr. OLIVIER. Yes. This is the bullet that caused the damage shown in Commission Exhibits Nos. 854 and 855.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you describe that bullet for the record, please?
Dr. OLIVIER. The nose of the bullet is quite flattened from striking the radius.
Mr. SPECTER. How does it compare, for example, with Commission Exhibit 399?
Dr. OLIVIER. It is not like it at all. I mean, Commission Exhibit 399 is not flattened on the end. This one is very severely flattened on the end.
So we see CE-399 is NOT consistent with a bullet that struck a dense bone like the radius. Back to Dr. Shaw. Look at this comment.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, without respect to whether or not the bullet identified as Commission Exhibit 399 is or is not the one which inflicted the wound on the Governor, is it possible that a missile similar to the one which I have just described in the hypothetical question could have inflicted all of the Governor's wounds in accordance with the theory which you have outlined on Commission Exhibit No. 689?
Dr. SHAW - Assuming that it also had passed through the President's neck you mean?
Mr. SPECTER - No; I had not added that factor in. I will in the next question.
Dr. SHAW - All right. As far as the wounds of the chest are concerned, I feel that this bullet could have inflicted those wounds. But the examination of the wrist both by X-ray and at the time of surgery showed some fragments of metal that make it difficult to believe that the same missile could have caused these two wounds. There seems to be more than three grains of metal missing as far as the I mean in the wrist.
Dr. Shaw is CORROBORATED by Dr. Finck, one of the prosectors, as he told the WC the same thing!
Mr. SPECTER - And could it have been the bullet which inflicted the wound on Governor Connally's right wrist?
Colonel FINCK - No; for the reason that there are too many fragments described in that wrist.
This alone SINKS the WC’s claim and the SBT in one stroke! IF the bullet could NOT inflict the wound to JBC’s wrist then it CANNOT be the “single” bullet that caused ALL the wounds in JFK and JBC. End of story.
Since the attending physician for the JBC’s wrist injury was Dr. Gregory…
Mr. SPECTER - Who was in charge then of the subsequent care on the Governor's wrist?
Dr. SHAW - Dr. Charles Gregory who had been previously alerted and then came in to take care of the wrist.
…let’s look at some of his testimony regarding CE-399 and the wrist wound. Here is what Dr. Gregory says about CE-399 making the wound in JBC’s wrist.
Mr. SPECTER - Before proceeding to the other factors indicating point of entry and point of exit, Dr. Gregory, I call your attention to Commission Exhibit No. 399, which is a bullet and ask you first if you have had an opportunity to examine that earlier today?
Dr. GREGORY - I have.
Mr. SPECTER - What opinion, if any, do you have as to whether that bullet could have produced the wound on the Governor's right wrist and remained as intact as it is at the present time?
Dr. GREGORY - In examining this bullet, I find a small flake has been either knocked off or removed from the rounded end of the missile. I was told that this was removed for the purpose of analysis. The only other deformity which I find is at the base of the missile at the point where it joined the cartridge carrying the powder, I presume, and this is somewhat flattened and deflected, distorted. There is some irregularity of the darker metal within which I presume to represent lead.
The only way that this missile could have produced this wound in my view, was to have entered the wrist backward. Now, this is not inconsistent with one of the characteristics known for missiles which is to tumble. All missiles in flight have two motions normally, a linear motion from the muzzle of the gun to the target, a second motion which is a spinning motion having to do with maintaining the integrity of the intial linear direction, but if they strike an object they may be caused to turn in their path and tumble end over, and if they do, they tend to produce a greater amount of destruction within the strike time or the target, and they could possibly, if tumbling in air upon emergence, tumble into another target backward. That is the only possible explanation I could offer to correlate this missile with this particular wound.
First of all, notice how he too did NOT get shown CE-399 UNTIL he was ready to testify! Why not? Also, note how Specter does NOT ask him IF this is the same bullet he may have seen when he was working on JBC. Secondly, notice how the “magic bullet” had to be a GYMNAST to make the wounds Dr. Gregory saw! It had to enter JBC’s wrist BACKWARDS!
Look at this shifty move by Specter.
Mr. SPECTER - Is there sufficient metallic substance missing from the back or rear end of that bullet to account for the metallic substance which you have described in the Governor's wrist?
Dr. GREGORY - It is possible but I don't know enough about the structure of bullets or this one in particular, to know what is a normal complement of lead or for this particular missile. It is irregular, but how much it may have lost, I have no idea.
Sorry Doc, but ONLY a tiny portion was missing. Most 6.5 mm bullets weigh in between 160-162 grains when new, and CE-399 had lost only about 2.4 grains from it so NO, this amount of fragment cannot be accounted for by CE-399. Why did Specter NOT tell him this IF they were searching for the truth? He just moves along like he said nothing important.
What about this comment?
Mr. SPECTER - Do you know what the color was of the fragments in the wrist of the Governor, Dr. Gregory?
Dr. GREGORY - As I recall them they were lead colored, silvery, of that color. I did not recall them as being either brass or copper.
Oops, the alleged bullets used were COPPER! We also know this from John Gallagher’s testimony!
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…During the course of the spectrographic examinations previously conducted on the fabric surrounding the hole in the front of the shirt, including the tie, NO COPPER WAS FOUND in excess of that present elsewhere in undamaged areas of the shirt and tie. Therefore, NO COPPER WAS FOUND WHICH COULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO PROJECTILE FRAGMENTS. (John Gallagher Exhibit 1)
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This too destroys the SBT nonsense the WC gave us nearly 57 years ago. Let’s face it WC defenders, you cannot show the Single Bullet THEORY has any substance let alone actually happened.
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We have shown in numerous posts that the Single Bullet THEORY (SBT) is just not possible, let alone the actual way it happened. We have also shown that the bullet presented as CE-399 was NOT the same bullet those that found it, saw it, and touched it remember. They all said a POINTY NOSE BULLET was found at Parkland Hospital (PH).
We will now look at the testimony of John B. Connally’s (JBC) attending physician that day at PH to see if he supports the SBT or disagrees with it.
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First of all, look at this question.
Senator COOPER - Do you desire an attorney to be with you?
Dr. SHAW - No.
Too bad no one was this concerned about Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) having an attorney present, huh? This is interesting too.
Mr. SPECTER - What experience, if any, have you had, Dr. Shaw, with bullet wounds?
Dr. SHAW - I have had civilian experience, both in the work at Parkland Hospital, where we see a great amount of trauma, and much of this involves bullet wounds from homicidal attempts and accidents.
The chief experience I had, however, was during the Second World War when I was serving as chief of the thoracic surgery center in Paris, France. And during this particular experience we admitted over 900 patients with chest wounds of various sort, many of them, of course, being shell fragments rather than bullet wounds.
And yet, the doctors of PH would be cast as unqualified to make determinations regarding bullet wounds per the Warren Commission (WC). The doctors of PH saw many gun wounds each year. That is simply a fact.
Mr. SPECTER - Were you called upon to render medical aid to Gov. John B. Connally on that day?
Dr. SHAW - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - At approximately what time did you arrive at the emergency room where Governor Connally was situated?
Dr. SHAW - As near as I could tell it was about 12:45.
Mr. SPECTER - What was Governor Connally's condition at that time, based on your observations?
Dr. SHAW - The Governor was complaining bitterly of difficulty in breathing, and of pain in his right chest. Prior to my arriving there, the men had very properly placed a tight occlusive dressing over what on later examination proved to be a large sucking wound in the front of his right chest, and they had inserted a rubber tube between the second and third ribs in the front of the right chest, carrying this tube to what we call a water seal bottle.
Mr. SPECTER - What was the purpose?
Dr. SHAW - Yes; this is done to re-expand the right lung which had collapsed due to the opening through the chest wall.
The examination and the ability of examining the wounds would come in the operating room. The operation began at 1:00 p.m. and lasted until 3:20 p.m. For the purpose of this post I will stick with the wrist wound alone as that is the key to the SBT issue in regards to JBC.
Mr. SPECTER - You have described, in a general way, the chest wound. What other wounds, if any, was Governor Connally suffering from at the time you saw him?
Dr. SHAW - I will describe then the wound of the wrist which was obvious. He had a wound of the lower right forearm that I did not accurately examine because I had already talked to Dr. Gregory while I was scrubbing for the operation, told him that this wound would need his attention as soon as we were able to get the chest in a satisfactory condition. There was also, I was told, I didn't see the wound, on the thigh, I was told that there was a small wound on the thigh which I saw later.
Mr. SPECTER - Who was in charge then of the subsequent care on the Governor's wrist?
Dr. SHAW - Dr. Charles Gregory who had been previously alerted and then came in to take care of the wrist.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, with respect to the wound on the wrist, did you have any opportunity to examine it by way of determining points of entry and exit?
Dr. SHAW - My examination of the wrist was a very cursory one. I could tell that there was a compound comminuted fracture because there was motion present, and there was a ragged wound just over the radius above the wrist joint. But that was the extent of my examination of the wrist.
Dr. Gregory was the man who dealt with the wrist wound the most, but Dr. Shaw would make some observations about the wrist wound and what was seen that matter here. This is a key statement by Dr. Shaw.
Senator COOPER - Why do you say you don't think it is the only possibility? What causes you now to say that it is the location----
Dr. SHAW - This is again the testimony that I believe Dr. Gregory will be giving, too. It is a matter of whether the wrist wound could be caused by the same bullet, and we felt that it could but we had not seen the bullets until today, and we still do not know which bullet actually inflicted the wound on Governor Connally.
Mr. DULLES - Or whether it was one or two wounds?
Dr. SHAW - Yes.
Mr. DULLES - Or two bullets?
Dr. SHAW - Yes; or three.
Mr. DULLES - Why do you say three?
Dr. SHAW - He has three separate wounds. He has a wound in the chest, a wound of the wrist, a wound of the thigh.
What does he mean they have NOT seen the bullets until TODAY (meaning the day he testified)? Why has he NOT seen them before? Notice how they did NOT rule out each wound being inflicted by different bullets.
Mr. McCLOY - You have no firm opinion that all these three wounds were caused by one bullet?
Dr. SHAW - I have no firm opinion.
Mr. McCLOY - That is right.
Dr. SHAW - Asking me this now if it was true. If you had asked me a month ago I would have.
Mr. DULLES - Could they have been caused by one bullet, in your opinion?
Dr. SHAW - They could.
We will see from later testimony by him that this is IMPOSSIBLE. He was just trying to stay noncommittal it seems at this point in time. He claimed not to have sufficient knowledge as to whether the bullet could have gone through JBC’s wrist and emerged intact or not, but come on, anybody with the least amount of experience knows this is not possible.
Mr. SPECTER - And indicates in the affirmative. Do you have sufficient knowledge of the wound of the wrist to render an opinion as to whether that bullet could have gone through Governor Connally's wrist and emerged being as much intact as it is?
Dr. SHAW - I do not.
Good thing the WC enlisted a man who does have the knowledge to let us know if CE-399 could have hit JBC’s radius bone and emerged in the condition we see or not.
Mr. SPECTER. I now hand you a bullet in a case marked Commission Exhibit 856 and ask if you have ever seen that before?
Dr. OLIVIER. Yes. This is the bullet that caused the damage shown in Commission Exhibits Nos. 854 and 855.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you describe that bullet for the record, please?
Dr. OLIVIER. The nose of the bullet is quite flattened from striking the radius.
Mr. SPECTER. How does it compare, for example, with Commission Exhibit 399?
Dr. OLIVIER. It is not like it at all. I mean, Commission Exhibit 399 is not flattened on the end. This one is very severely flattened on the end.
So we see CE-399 is NOT consistent with a bullet that struck a dense bone like the radius. Back to Dr. Shaw. Look at this comment.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, without respect to whether or not the bullet identified as Commission Exhibit 399 is or is not the one which inflicted the wound on the Governor, is it possible that a missile similar to the one which I have just described in the hypothetical question could have inflicted all of the Governor's wounds in accordance with the theory which you have outlined on Commission Exhibit No. 689?
Dr. SHAW - Assuming that it also had passed through the President's neck you mean?
Mr. SPECTER - No; I had not added that factor in. I will in the next question.
Dr. SHAW - All right. As far as the wounds of the chest are concerned, I feel that this bullet could have inflicted those wounds. But the examination of the wrist both by X-ray and at the time of surgery showed some fragments of metal that make it difficult to believe that the same missile could have caused these two wounds. There seems to be more than three grains of metal missing as far as the I mean in the wrist.
Dr. Shaw is CORROBORATED by Dr. Finck, one of the prosectors, as he told the WC the same thing!
Mr. SPECTER - And could it have been the bullet which inflicted the wound on Governor Connally's right wrist?
Colonel FINCK - No; for the reason that there are too many fragments described in that wrist.
This alone SINKS the WC’s claim and the SBT in one stroke! IF the bullet could NOT inflict the wound to JBC’s wrist then it CANNOT be the “single” bullet that caused ALL the wounds in JFK and JBC. End of story.
Since the attending physician for the JBC’s wrist injury was Dr. Gregory…
Mr. SPECTER - Who was in charge then of the subsequent care on the Governor's wrist?
Dr. SHAW - Dr. Charles Gregory who had been previously alerted and then came in to take care of the wrist.
…let’s look at some of his testimony regarding CE-399 and the wrist wound. Here is what Dr. Gregory says about CE-399 making the wound in JBC’s wrist.
Mr. SPECTER - Before proceeding to the other factors indicating point of entry and point of exit, Dr. Gregory, I call your attention to Commission Exhibit No. 399, which is a bullet and ask you first if you have had an opportunity to examine that earlier today?
Dr. GREGORY - I have.
Mr. SPECTER - What opinion, if any, do you have as to whether that bullet could have produced the wound on the Governor's right wrist and remained as intact as it is at the present time?
Dr. GREGORY - In examining this bullet, I find a small flake has been either knocked off or removed from the rounded end of the missile. I was told that this was removed for the purpose of analysis. The only other deformity which I find is at the base of the missile at the point where it joined the cartridge carrying the powder, I presume, and this is somewhat flattened and deflected, distorted. There is some irregularity of the darker metal within which I presume to represent lead.
The only way that this missile could have produced this wound in my view, was to have entered the wrist backward. Now, this is not inconsistent with one of the characteristics known for missiles which is to tumble. All missiles in flight have two motions normally, a linear motion from the muzzle of the gun to the target, a second motion which is a spinning motion having to do with maintaining the integrity of the intial linear direction, but if they strike an object they may be caused to turn in their path and tumble end over, and if they do, they tend to produce a greater amount of destruction within the strike time or the target, and they could possibly, if tumbling in air upon emergence, tumble into another target backward. That is the only possible explanation I could offer to correlate this missile with this particular wound.
First of all, notice how he too did NOT get shown CE-399 UNTIL he was ready to testify! Why not? Also, note how Specter does NOT ask him IF this is the same bullet he may have seen when he was working on JBC. Secondly, notice how the “magic bullet” had to be a GYMNAST to make the wounds Dr. Gregory saw! It had to enter JBC’s wrist BACKWARDS!
Look at this shifty move by Specter.
Mr. SPECTER - Is there sufficient metallic substance missing from the back or rear end of that bullet to account for the metallic substance which you have described in the Governor's wrist?
Dr. GREGORY - It is possible but I don't know enough about the structure of bullets or this one in particular, to know what is a normal complement of lead or for this particular missile. It is irregular, but how much it may have lost, I have no idea.
Sorry Doc, but ONLY a tiny portion was missing. Most 6.5 mm bullets weigh in between 160-162 grains when new, and CE-399 had lost only about 2.4 grains from it so NO, this amount of fragment cannot be accounted for by CE-399. Why did Specter NOT tell him this IF they were searching for the truth? He just moves along like he said nothing important.
What about this comment?
Mr. SPECTER - Do you know what the color was of the fragments in the wrist of the Governor, Dr. Gregory?
Dr. GREGORY - As I recall them they were lead colored, silvery, of that color. I did not recall them as being either brass or copper.
Oops, the alleged bullets used were COPPER! We also know this from John Gallagher’s testimony!
Quote on
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/pages/WH_Vol20_0011b.gif
…During the course of the spectrographic examinations previously conducted on the fabric surrounding the hole in the front of the shirt, including the tie, NO COPPER WAS FOUND in excess of that present elsewhere in undamaged areas of the shirt and tie. Therefore, NO COPPER WAS FOUND WHICH COULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO PROJECTILE FRAGMENTS. (John Gallagher Exhibit 1)
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/html/WH_Vol20_0011b.htm
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This too destroys the SBT nonsense the WC gave us nearly 57 years ago. Let’s face it WC defenders, you cannot show the Single Bullet THEORY has any substance let alone actually happened.