Post by Rob Caprio on Aug 24, 2021 16:48:13 GMT -5
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Notice To Lurkers:
Ben Holmes will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben Holmes will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Now let's add in Ben's own notice to lurkers for his series as he is DOING THE SAME THING HE ACCUSES THE TROLLS OF DOING!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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Walt Cakebread continues to make assertions with NO evidence. He has said Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) ALTERED HIS OWN CHIN in the backyard photographs (BYP) to make his "countenance stronger"! He has to date (at least a year and several months now with me) FAILED to provide a shred of evidence showing LHO doctored the BYP photographs by altering his own chin.
The odd thing too is Walt only asserts that CE-133A is genuine (again with NO supporting evidence being offered), yet ALL the BYP photographs have LHO with a SQUARE CHIN when he is known to have a cleft chin! Why would LHO doctor the real one in the same way others doctored the fake ones? (IF we use Walt's faulty logic?) What are the odds of this happening?
Don't take my word for it, here are quotes from Walt regarding this topic!
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“Can you explain why a man with a CLEFT chin suddenly has a SQUARE chin in the picture you claim is authentic? Why do you keep ignoring this point?? Only dishonest people do that.” (Robert)
“The "square chin" in the photo that you're so hung up on may have a rather simple explanation. The same person who added the LIGHT COLORED "sling" to CE 133A could also have retouched the chin of Oswald to give him a stronger face.” (Walt – 9/25/08)
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In this comment he says "the same person who added the LIGHT COLORED "sling" to CE-133A could have retouched the the chin of Oswald" leading one to think he was not sure it was LHO who did this. But he has made other comments where he is more direct.
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“Now you have ANOTHER claim to prove. Can you prove they altered the chin?” (Robert)
“THEY??? THEY??? Who the hell is THEY??? Duh.... Who requested that Marina take the photo (CE 133A)? Answer.... Oswald Where was Oswald working at that time?? Jaggers Childs Stovalls--A photo processing shop.
What was Oswald doing at that time? Fabricating a dossier that would make him appear to be a radical revolutionary communist by writing inflamitory letters to the Daily worker. He sent one of those Back Yard photos to the Dailey Worker to present a graphic portrait of the rabid revolutionary he was. ***Do you suppose that he might have gave himself a stronger chin and added a sling to the rifle just to enhance the picture??” *** (Walt-9/25/08)
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NOW, after reading this I used the word "meaner" in conjuction with his claim, and Walt NEVER had a problem with this UNTIL his "buddy" Ben Holmes (a.k.a. Dave Reitzes) made an issue of this word recently. We will get into this soon.
How can one blame me for interpreting his meaning in this way? I mean in this one quote he has said things like this:
"Fabricating a dossier that would make him appear to be a radical revolutionary communist by writing inflamitory (sic) letters to the Daily worker."
Inflamatory is a pretty stong word, huh?
And this:
"He sent one of those Back Yard photos to the Dailey Worker to present a graphic portrait of the rabid revolutionary he was."
Aren't most "rabid revloutinaries" considered "mean" by most folks???
Then he claims the sling and chin were added to "enhance the picture"! But how??? I would think making himself look meaner or more stern would be a logical conclusion, don't you?
Here is another comment where he blames LHO for altering his own chin!
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“Excellent counter points.... Maggie. But you're not going to change Rob's mind...His whole case rests on the fact that he BELIEVES that Oswald's chin in the photos is KEY information.
You're absolutely right there are a number of explanations that Oswald's chin appears broader and more square in the BY photos.
***I've always thought that Oswald himself might have retouched the ONE and ONLY original photo*** (CE 133A ) because he thought it might someday be a historical photo and he wanted his daughter to have a good photo of her dad.
He fully expected that he'd infiltrate Castro's Cuba just as he had the USSR, and he knew that Castro would put him front of a firing squad if he was caught. ***Hence he retouched his chin on CE 133A to give his countenance a stronger appearance.***“ (Walt – 3/24/08)
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He mentions this TWICE in this comment, and he was even stronger in his claim the SECOND time!
The first claim still doesn't explain how the chin became squared in all the other photos too though, does it??? See there were at least three other photos to consider and they ALL had the same issues (with the chin being one of them)!
What are the odds of LHO doctoring his CHIN IN THE SAME EXACT WAY OTHERS WOULD DOCTOR HIS CHIN IN THE OTHER COPIES????
This question has to be answered by Walt and Ben as they continue to claim that CE-133A is genuine, but they NEVER answer any questions about their claims let alone provide any evidence for them!
This quote by Walt was just done last week!
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“Hey Rob.... You may be right, when you claim that no LN ever tries to explain the chin.... But "I've" explained it to you. ***I told you that Oswald developed CE 133A and at that time retouched the photo to enhance his appearance.*** It's a very common practice in photo studios.” (Walt)
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Enhance his appearance how?? It is not a stretch to assume he means in a meaner way since he has used terms like "flamatory", "rabid revolutionary" and "stronger countenance."
He never quibbled with my interpretation UNTIL his "buddy" got involved and started his word games. Search countenance in the dictionary. I have attached it to other posts if you don't want to. There is nothing in there that rules out "mean" especially when it was used in conjunction with "stronger".
The effort by Ben and Walt is to distract from a claim they BOTH KNOW THEY CANNOT SUPPORT WITH EVIDENCE! A claim that ONLY BENEFITS the WC too!
Walt said this just the other day!
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“Remember YOU said he MADE HIS CHIN SQUARED HIMSELF TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK MEANER!” (Robert)
"I never said anything of the kind.....You are a liar." (Wally)
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NOW he did NOT say he never used the word "mean" here! NOR did he say he meant to make himself (LHO) look more handsome as this is his other ridiculous claim! As if only squared chinned men can be handsome!
Both Wally and Ben are using distraction to try and divert your attention away from the fact they both claim LHO ALTERED HIS OWN CHIN IN CE 133A AND THEY CAN'T PROVIDE A SHRED A EVIDENCE FOR THIS CLAIM!
Ben wrote this statement awhile ago:
“When people refuse to support their own assertions, I merely point it out.” (Ben Holmes – 7/9/09)
NOT only has this "provable liar" NOT pointed out to Walt he is making claims he can't support -- he is HELPING HIM LIE ABOUT IT!
This was NOT the only comment this provable liar has made about this type of behavior either (making claims you cannot support with evidence)! Here are more!
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“Naked assertions with no citations provided have as little to do with the truth as LNT'ers... who do the same thing.” (Ben Holmes to Herbert Blenner – 9/15/09)
“Speculation in the face of a lack of citation is never a winning combination.” (Ben Holmes to Shutterbun – 8/29/09)
“Liars always have a hard time supporting their words.” (Ben Holmes – 7/9/09)
“Speculation is the favored tool of LNT'ers... since they don't have the evidence in their favor.” (Ben Holmes – 4/11/09)
“You see, there really *is* a reason that I keep asking if you're afraid of the evidence. For surely you know that most LNT'ers are. They stay far away from specific evidence.” (Ben Holmes – 1/18/07)
”You see, anyone can spout off anything they want... it has to withstand the facts that can be thrown at it.” (Ben Holmes – 1/18/07)
“I stated, quite clearly, that it's *YOUR* credibility at stake. You make assertions, then you can't back them up.” (Ben Holmes to CJ – 7/9/09)
“It's *easy* to "make" a point... when it comes to the trolls and most LNT'ers, it's virtually *impossible* to SUPPORT AND DEFEND that point with the actual evidence.
This is what turns 'em into gutless cowards and liars... right, Eddie?” (Ben Holmes to Ed Cage – 2/2/07)
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It seems ONLY Walt and Ben can make claims and provide NO evidence or citations for them, huh? And when they do, they should NOT be considered LNers even though Ben (a.k.a. Dave Reitzes) as outlined this is the behavior of LNers, huh?
They also think their credibility is still intact too! That is the funny part!
The continual lying they exhibit to help the WC is quite evident for us all.
My interpretation of what Walt said is NOT as important as Walt's claim (supported by Ben) that LHO altered his own chin in the BY photo they call genuine. Both claims have NEVER been supported with evidence by either of them!
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben Holmes will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben Holmes will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Now let's add in Ben's own notice to lurkers for his series as he is DOING THE SAME THING HE ACCUSES THE TROLLS OF DOING!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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Walt Cakebread continues to make assertions with NO evidence. He has said Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) ALTERED HIS OWN CHIN in the backyard photographs (BYP) to make his "countenance stronger"! He has to date (at least a year and several months now with me) FAILED to provide a shred of evidence showing LHO doctored the BYP photographs by altering his own chin.
The odd thing too is Walt only asserts that CE-133A is genuine (again with NO supporting evidence being offered), yet ALL the BYP photographs have LHO with a SQUARE CHIN when he is known to have a cleft chin! Why would LHO doctor the real one in the same way others doctored the fake ones? (IF we use Walt's faulty logic?) What are the odds of this happening?
Don't take my word for it, here are quotes from Walt regarding this topic!
Quote on
“Can you explain why a man with a CLEFT chin suddenly has a SQUARE chin in the picture you claim is authentic? Why do you keep ignoring this point?? Only dishonest people do that.” (Robert)
“The "square chin" in the photo that you're so hung up on may have a rather simple explanation. The same person who added the LIGHT COLORED "sling" to CE 133A could also have retouched the chin of Oswald to give him a stronger face.” (Walt – 9/25/08)
Quote off
In this comment he says "the same person who added the LIGHT COLORED "sling" to CE-133A could have retouched the the chin of Oswald" leading one to think he was not sure it was LHO who did this. But he has made other comments where he is more direct.
Quote on
“Now you have ANOTHER claim to prove. Can you prove they altered the chin?” (Robert)
“THEY??? THEY??? Who the hell is THEY??? Duh.... Who requested that Marina take the photo (CE 133A)? Answer.... Oswald Where was Oswald working at that time?? Jaggers Childs Stovalls--A photo processing shop.
What was Oswald doing at that time? Fabricating a dossier that would make him appear to be a radical revolutionary communist by writing inflamitory letters to the Daily worker. He sent one of those Back Yard photos to the Dailey Worker to present a graphic portrait of the rabid revolutionary he was. ***Do you suppose that he might have gave himself a stronger chin and added a sling to the rifle just to enhance the picture??” *** (Walt-9/25/08)
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NOW, after reading this I used the word "meaner" in conjuction with his claim, and Walt NEVER had a problem with this UNTIL his "buddy" Ben Holmes (a.k.a. Dave Reitzes) made an issue of this word recently. We will get into this soon.
How can one blame me for interpreting his meaning in this way? I mean in this one quote he has said things like this:
"Fabricating a dossier that would make him appear to be a radical revolutionary communist by writing inflamitory (sic) letters to the Daily worker."
Inflamatory is a pretty stong word, huh?
And this:
"He sent one of those Back Yard photos to the Dailey Worker to present a graphic portrait of the rabid revolutionary he was."
Aren't most "rabid revloutinaries" considered "mean" by most folks???
Then he claims the sling and chin were added to "enhance the picture"! But how??? I would think making himself look meaner or more stern would be a logical conclusion, don't you?
Here is another comment where he blames LHO for altering his own chin!
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“Excellent counter points.... Maggie. But you're not going to change Rob's mind...His whole case rests on the fact that he BELIEVES that Oswald's chin in the photos is KEY information.
You're absolutely right there are a number of explanations that Oswald's chin appears broader and more square in the BY photos.
***I've always thought that Oswald himself might have retouched the ONE and ONLY original photo*** (CE 133A ) because he thought it might someday be a historical photo and he wanted his daughter to have a good photo of her dad.
He fully expected that he'd infiltrate Castro's Cuba just as he had the USSR, and he knew that Castro would put him front of a firing squad if he was caught. ***Hence he retouched his chin on CE 133A to give his countenance a stronger appearance.***“ (Walt – 3/24/08)
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He mentions this TWICE in this comment, and he was even stronger in his claim the SECOND time!
The first claim still doesn't explain how the chin became squared in all the other photos too though, does it??? See there were at least three other photos to consider and they ALL had the same issues (with the chin being one of them)!
What are the odds of LHO doctoring his CHIN IN THE SAME EXACT WAY OTHERS WOULD DOCTOR HIS CHIN IN THE OTHER COPIES????
This question has to be answered by Walt and Ben as they continue to claim that CE-133A is genuine, but they NEVER answer any questions about their claims let alone provide any evidence for them!
This quote by Walt was just done last week!
Quote on
“Hey Rob.... You may be right, when you claim that no LN ever tries to explain the chin.... But "I've" explained it to you. ***I told you that Oswald developed CE 133A and at that time retouched the photo to enhance his appearance.*** It's a very common practice in photo studios.” (Walt)
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Enhance his appearance how?? It is not a stretch to assume he means in a meaner way since he has used terms like "flamatory", "rabid revolutionary" and "stronger countenance."
He never quibbled with my interpretation UNTIL his "buddy" got involved and started his word games. Search countenance in the dictionary. I have attached it to other posts if you don't want to. There is nothing in there that rules out "mean" especially when it was used in conjunction with "stronger".
The effort by Ben and Walt is to distract from a claim they BOTH KNOW THEY CANNOT SUPPORT WITH EVIDENCE! A claim that ONLY BENEFITS the WC too!
Walt said this just the other day!
Quote on
“Remember YOU said he MADE HIS CHIN SQUARED HIMSELF TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK MEANER!” (Robert)
"I never said anything of the kind.....You are a liar." (Wally)
Quote off
NOW he did NOT say he never used the word "mean" here! NOR did he say he meant to make himself (LHO) look more handsome as this is his other ridiculous claim! As if only squared chinned men can be handsome!
Both Wally and Ben are using distraction to try and divert your attention away from the fact they both claim LHO ALTERED HIS OWN CHIN IN CE 133A AND THEY CAN'T PROVIDE A SHRED A EVIDENCE FOR THIS CLAIM!
Ben wrote this statement awhile ago:
“When people refuse to support their own assertions, I merely point it out.” (Ben Holmes – 7/9/09)
NOT only has this "provable liar" NOT pointed out to Walt he is making claims he can't support -- he is HELPING HIM LIE ABOUT IT!
This was NOT the only comment this provable liar has made about this type of behavior either (making claims you cannot support with evidence)! Here are more!
Quote on
“Naked assertions with no citations provided have as little to do with the truth as LNT'ers... who do the same thing.” (Ben Holmes to Herbert Blenner – 9/15/09)
“Speculation in the face of a lack of citation is never a winning combination.” (Ben Holmes to Shutterbun – 8/29/09)
“Liars always have a hard time supporting their words.” (Ben Holmes – 7/9/09)
“Speculation is the favored tool of LNT'ers... since they don't have the evidence in their favor.” (Ben Holmes – 4/11/09)
“You see, there really *is* a reason that I keep asking if you're afraid of the evidence. For surely you know that most LNT'ers are. They stay far away from specific evidence.” (Ben Holmes – 1/18/07)
”You see, anyone can spout off anything they want... it has to withstand the facts that can be thrown at it.” (Ben Holmes – 1/18/07)
“I stated, quite clearly, that it's *YOUR* credibility at stake. You make assertions, then you can't back them up.” (Ben Holmes to CJ – 7/9/09)
“It's *easy* to "make" a point... when it comes to the trolls and most LNT'ers, it's virtually *impossible* to SUPPORT AND DEFEND that point with the actual evidence.
This is what turns 'em into gutless cowards and liars... right, Eddie?” (Ben Holmes to Ed Cage – 2/2/07)
Quote off
It seems ONLY Walt and Ben can make claims and provide NO evidence or citations for them, huh? And when they do, they should NOT be considered LNers even though Ben (a.k.a. Dave Reitzes) as outlined this is the behavior of LNers, huh?
They also think their credibility is still intact too! That is the funny part!
The continual lying they exhibit to help the WC is quite evident for us all.
My interpretation of what Walt said is NOT as important as Walt's claim (supported by Ben) that LHO altered his own chin in the BY photo they call genuine. Both claims have NEVER been supported with evidence by either of them!