Post by Rob Caprio on Sept 13, 2021 12:22:53 GMT -5
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Why did the Warren Commission (WC) say that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) took a bus to Mexico City when their OWN evidence showed he did NOT?
It is again sadly true. IF we go to CE-1143 you will see evidence that LHO NEVER purchased a ticket for Mexico. On page 155 we see the following:
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Lazano (Gilberto Guizar, manager of the Mexico City terminal of the Transportes Frontera bus company) stated a complete study of Transportes Frontera bus company records and procedures had been made which resulted in the conclusion that that the person designated “OSWLD” on the October 2, 1963, passenger manifest did NOT purchase a ticket and COULD NOT HAVE TRAVELED on the trip to which it relates. (emphasis mine)
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As is the case most times when the evidence does NOT point to LHO there is CORROBORATION for this statement. It comes from the ticket salesman and dispatcher Francisco Alvarado.
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He was quite certain that the individual designated on the list as “OSWLD” did NOT purchase a ticket and DID NOT travel on the trip relating to the manifest. NO ticket number was recorded for that person, and a search of the company’s records in Monterrey had failed to locate a ticket stub which was not otherwise accounted for in connection with that particular trip. (emphasis mine)
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He said in the paragraph above (still page 155) with the above quote that he prepared the manifest on October 2, 1963, and that most of the handwriting was his, but that he did NOT write the “OSWLD” reservation information. This means someone else did. Who was it? Here are more details.
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On March 31, 1964, GILBERTO LOZANO GUIZAR, manager of the Mexico City terminal of the Transportes Frontera bus company, Calle Buenavista No. 7, Mexico, D.F., emphatically advised that the original passenger list of manifest relating to departure No. 2 of bus No. 340 on October 2, 1963, of the Transportes Frontera bus company, is an authentic record of data pertaining to that particular trip.. . . . .
He advised that officers of the Presidential Staff appeared at the bus terminal shortly after the assassination of President KENNEDY, seeking to review passenger lists of the bus company for early October, 1963, and it was found at that time that the completed block of forms for most of the month of October, 1963, which included the above described passenger list, was still in the baggage room at the terminal prior to being discarded. He stated he had torn the October 2, 1963 manifest from the block of forms and furnished it to one of the officers. LOZANO advised that one Lieutenant ARTURO BOSCH, an investigator of the Presidential Staff, had reviewed the above manifest.
***LOZANO expressed the opinion that ARTURO BOSCH had filled in the blanks in ink at the top of the form as to the time, destination, trip number, bus number, and date, and had crossed out the date 'November 1', replacing it with the notation 'October 2' which appeared on the manifest. . .***
***LOZANO stated the hand-printed notation appearing at the bottom of the manifest, 'Driver, DIONISIO REYNA, FCO. SAUCEDO,' was also filled in by BOSCH.***
LOZANO advised that there definitely was only one section of bus No. 340 which departed Mexico City at 1:00 pm on October 2, 1963, en route to Monterrey, Mexico, and Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. ***He explained that the notation 'Departure 2' appearing on the top of the manifest, which he believed BOSCH had filled out, merely indicated the second departure of a Transportes Frontera bus on that particular day, October 2, 1963.*** The first departure of one of their buses on that day from the Mexico City terminal occurred at 9:00 am with the terminal point being Monterrey, Mexico. He stated the second departure of a Transportes Frontera bus from the Mexico City terminal on October 2, 1963, was the departure at 1:00 pm with the terminal point being Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, and the passengers on this bus were recorded on the above-mentioned manifest of October 2,1963. He stated there were three other departures on that day from the Mexico City terminal, the third departure having occurred at 3:30 pm with the terminal point being Matamoros, Tamaulipas, Mexico; the fourth departure having occurred at 9:00 pm with terminal point at Nuevo Laredo; and the fifth departure at 10:00 pm with terminal point being Cuidad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico. LOZANO advised the only bus operating on their line which would have arrived at Nuevo Laredo between the hours of 12:00 am and 8:00 am on October 3, 1963, is bus No. 340, which departed from the Mexico City terminal at 1:00 pm on October 2, 1963.
This shows the authorities were aware of the FACT that the manifest for DEPARTURE was filled out POST ASSASSINATION by a WC investigator as he USED A NOVEMBER LOG TO write on!
NOW for the arrival manifest!
He (ALEJANDRO SAUCEDO) recalled that shortly after the assassination of President JOHN F. KENNEDY two investigators, whom he described as being with the "Policia Federal Judicial" (Federal Judicial Police), appeared at the Flecha Roja terminal, Mexico, D.F., and requested the original passenger list of bus No. 516 of September 26, 1963, for review. SAUCEDO remembered that the two investigators examined the passenger lists, filed by dates, in a storeroom at the offices of the Flecha Roja bus terminal and found the original copy for the pertinent date and borrowed same. He could not recall the names of the investigators or the exact date they appeared at the office.
SAUCEDO now recalled clearly that these two investigators, whom he could only describe as being "in their thirties," had the duplicate copy of the passenger list which apparently had been at the Flecha Roja bus terminal office in Nuevo Laredo when the trip for September 26, 1963, began.
The investigators stated they wanted the original list because the duplicated copy was not completely legible.
SAUCEDO stated they had the original and duplicate copy of the passenger manifest for Flecha Roja bus No. 516 for September 26, 1963, when they left.
SAUCEDO stated the investigators did exhibit to him government credentials, agency not recalled, and advised they were interested
only in finding the passenger list for the incoming trip of bus No. 516 on September 26, 1963. When SAUCEDO asked them if they were interested in locating a departure trip, they stated they were not, explaining they had just been at the bus terminal of Transportes
Frontera in Mexico, D.F., where They had located the passenger list for L. H. OSWALD'S departure from Mexico. . . . . .
During this search and review, an untied, loose bundle dated October 5, 1963, was located thrown aside in a cardboard box on the floor of the storage room outside the bin area. This bundle was reviewed and found to include passenger lists for dates September 21, 1963 to October 5, 1963, but no passenger list for bus No. 516 for September 26, 1963 was found.
The information hereinunder was furnished by T-13:[/b]
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On March 24, 1963, Captain FERNANDO GUTIERREZ BARRIOS, Assistant Director of the Mexican Federal Security Police (DFS), advised that his agency had conduced no investigation in connection with the travel in Mexico of LEE HARVEY OSWALD; and did not have in its possession any passenger lists from any bus lines... (XXIV, 623-624.)
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As we can see, the bus manifest to and from Mexico City was forged, and admittedly so. Why did the WC continue to rely on it as if it were accurate and true to reach their conclusion?
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Why did the Warren Commission (WC) say that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) took a bus to Mexico City when their OWN evidence showed he did NOT?
It is again sadly true. IF we go to CE-1143 you will see evidence that LHO NEVER purchased a ticket for Mexico. On page 155 we see the following:
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Lazano (Gilberto Guizar, manager of the Mexico City terminal of the Transportes Frontera bus company) stated a complete study of Transportes Frontera bus company records and procedures had been made which resulted in the conclusion that that the person designated “OSWLD” on the October 2, 1963, passenger manifest did NOT purchase a ticket and COULD NOT HAVE TRAVELED on the trip to which it relates. (emphasis mine)
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As is the case most times when the evidence does NOT point to LHO there is CORROBORATION for this statement. It comes from the ticket salesman and dispatcher Francisco Alvarado.
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He was quite certain that the individual designated on the list as “OSWLD” did NOT purchase a ticket and DID NOT travel on the trip relating to the manifest. NO ticket number was recorded for that person, and a search of the company’s records in Monterrey had failed to locate a ticket stub which was not otherwise accounted for in connection with that particular trip. (emphasis mine)
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He said in the paragraph above (still page 155) with the above quote that he prepared the manifest on October 2, 1963, and that most of the handwriting was his, but that he did NOT write the “OSWLD” reservation information. This means someone else did. Who was it? Here are more details.
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On March 31, 1964, GILBERTO LOZANO GUIZAR, manager of the Mexico City terminal of the Transportes Frontera bus company, Calle Buenavista No. 7, Mexico, D.F., emphatically advised that the original passenger list of manifest relating to departure No. 2 of bus No. 340 on October 2, 1963, of the Transportes Frontera bus company, is an authentic record of data pertaining to that particular trip.. . . . .
He advised that officers of the Presidential Staff appeared at the bus terminal shortly after the assassination of President KENNEDY, seeking to review passenger lists of the bus company for early October, 1963, and it was found at that time that the completed block of forms for most of the month of October, 1963, which included the above described passenger list, was still in the baggage room at the terminal prior to being discarded. He stated he had torn the October 2, 1963 manifest from the block of forms and furnished it to one of the officers. LOZANO advised that one Lieutenant ARTURO BOSCH, an investigator of the Presidential Staff, had reviewed the above manifest.
***LOZANO expressed the opinion that ARTURO BOSCH had filled in the blanks in ink at the top of the form as to the time, destination, trip number, bus number, and date, and had crossed out the date 'November 1', replacing it with the notation 'October 2' which appeared on the manifest. . .***
***LOZANO stated the hand-printed notation appearing at the bottom of the manifest, 'Driver, DIONISIO REYNA, FCO. SAUCEDO,' was also filled in by BOSCH.***
LOZANO advised that there definitely was only one section of bus No. 340 which departed Mexico City at 1:00 pm on October 2, 1963, en route to Monterrey, Mexico, and Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. ***He explained that the notation 'Departure 2' appearing on the top of the manifest, which he believed BOSCH had filled out, merely indicated the second departure of a Transportes Frontera bus on that particular day, October 2, 1963.*** The first departure of one of their buses on that day from the Mexico City terminal occurred at 9:00 am with the terminal point being Monterrey, Mexico. He stated the second departure of a Transportes Frontera bus from the Mexico City terminal on October 2, 1963, was the departure at 1:00 pm with the terminal point being Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, and the passengers on this bus were recorded on the above-mentioned manifest of October 2,1963. He stated there were three other departures on that day from the Mexico City terminal, the third departure having occurred at 3:30 pm with the terminal point being Matamoros, Tamaulipas, Mexico; the fourth departure having occurred at 9:00 pm with terminal point at Nuevo Laredo; and the fifth departure at 10:00 pm with terminal point being Cuidad Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico. LOZANO advised the only bus operating on their line which would have arrived at Nuevo Laredo between the hours of 12:00 am and 8:00 am on October 3, 1963, is bus No. 340, which departed from the Mexico City terminal at 1:00 pm on October 2, 1963.
This shows the authorities were aware of the FACT that the manifest for DEPARTURE was filled out POST ASSASSINATION by a WC investigator as he USED A NOVEMBER LOG TO write on!
NOW for the arrival manifest!
He (ALEJANDRO SAUCEDO) recalled that shortly after the assassination of President JOHN F. KENNEDY two investigators, whom he described as being with the "Policia Federal Judicial" (Federal Judicial Police), appeared at the Flecha Roja terminal, Mexico, D.F., and requested the original passenger list of bus No. 516 of September 26, 1963, for review. SAUCEDO remembered that the two investigators examined the passenger lists, filed by dates, in a storeroom at the offices of the Flecha Roja bus terminal and found the original copy for the pertinent date and borrowed same. He could not recall the names of the investigators or the exact date they appeared at the office.
SAUCEDO now recalled clearly that these two investigators, whom he could only describe as being "in their thirties," had the duplicate copy of the passenger list which apparently had been at the Flecha Roja bus terminal office in Nuevo Laredo when the trip for September 26, 1963, began.
The investigators stated they wanted the original list because the duplicated copy was not completely legible.
SAUCEDO stated they had the original and duplicate copy of the passenger manifest for Flecha Roja bus No. 516 for September 26, 1963, when they left.
SAUCEDO stated the investigators did exhibit to him government credentials, agency not recalled, and advised they were interested
only in finding the passenger list for the incoming trip of bus No. 516 on September 26, 1963. When SAUCEDO asked them if they were interested in locating a departure trip, they stated they were not, explaining they had just been at the bus terminal of Transportes
Frontera in Mexico, D.F., where They had located the passenger list for L. H. OSWALD'S departure from Mexico. . . . . .
During this search and review, an untied, loose bundle dated October 5, 1963, was located thrown aside in a cardboard box on the floor of the storage room outside the bin area. This bundle was reviewed and found to include passenger lists for dates September 21, 1963 to October 5, 1963, but no passenger list for bus No. 516 for September 26, 1963 was found.
The information hereinunder was furnished by T-13:[/b]
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On March 24, 1963, Captain FERNANDO GUTIERREZ BARRIOS, Assistant Director of the Mexican Federal Security Police (DFS), advised that his agency had conduced no investigation in connection with the travel in Mexico of LEE HARVEY OSWALD; and did not have in its possession any passenger lists from any bus lines... (XXIV, 623-624.)
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As we can see, the bus manifest to and from Mexico City was forged, and admittedly so. Why did the WC continue to rely on it as if it were accurate and true to reach their conclusion?