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New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison launched an investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) in the late 1960s. He was, and is still, the only person or entity to do this. In 1969 the trial of his main suspect, Clay Shaw, began and the prosecution called a number of witnesses. This post will look at one witness that is not discussed much, but her observations match several other sources.
On February 14, 1969, Ms. Elizabeth Carolyn Walton was called as a witness because she had been in Dealey Plaza (DP) on November 22, 1963, and was a witness to the shooting of JFK. Here is the background on this.
Q: What was your primary reason for being in Dealey Plaza?
A: To see President Kennedy.
Q: Were you working at this time?
A: Yes, in the Dal-Tex Market Building.
Q: Is this located in Dealey Plaza?
A: Yes, sir, it is.
Q: At approximately noon that day or sometime around that hour did you have occasion to leave the Dal-Tex Building and go anywhere?
A: I went out in the street to see the President.
Q: And what position did you take on what street to view the Presidential Motorcade?
A: I was on Houston just off of the corner of Elm by the Records Building. (Elizabeth Walton testimony at the Clay Shaw Trial, February 14, 1969)
Ms. Walton worked in the Dal-Tex Building and that particular building has been suspected of being involved in the assassination by researchers over the years in terms of having a gunman inside it. The Dal-Tex offered a straight on angle in relation to the presidential limousine as compared to the alleged southeast sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) which had a hard angle to it. She stood on Houston Street so this would give her a good view of the TSBD and DP.
Ms. Walton and a friend arrived about 10-15 minutes before the motorcade arrived so she had time to look around the plaza, but she would say her attention was on the Dal-Tex and TSBD. Here is what she testified to regarding what she saw.
Q: At this particular time did you have occasion to view anything that caught your attention?
A: Yes, I had ten or fifteen minutes to look around.
Q: During this time was your attention drawn to anything in particular?
A: Well, we looked at the Dal-Tex Market Building and the School Book Depository.
Q: When you viewed the Texas School Book Depository did anything appear unusual to you?
A: Yes, sir, the windows were open and that was the first I'd ever seen them open. (Ibid.)
Ms. Walton was a person who worked at the Dal-Tex Building so one could imagine that she saw the TSBD quite a bit and she testified to never seeing the windows of the TSBD being OPEN! Why were they open on November 22, 1963? Any real investigator would have been immediately drawn to this, but as usual the Warren Commission (WC) never looked into it and of course Ms. Walton was never called to give testimony before them. Wow. The WC sure left no stone unturned, huh?
She will then be asked what she observed further.
Q: When viewing these windows did you have occasion to see anything?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: Tell the Gentlemen of the Court and the Gentlemen of the Jury what you saw.
A: The first time I looked I saw a man I think wearing a maroon shirt in the center of the building. The first time I looked at the building I saw a man I think in a maroon shirt in the center of the building stand up and later on I saw two men in another building and one was holding a gun and the other was standing beside him.
Q: Can you describe how the two men were dressed as you saw them?
A: The man wearing the gun I think was wearing a white shirt, I'm not sure.
Q: How was the other man dressed?
A: A brown suit coat. (Ibid.)
She observed TWO men in the windows of the TSBD. This is of course would be corroborated by other witnesses who also saw two men in the windows when the WC claimed that only Lee Harvey Oswald (WC) was up there shooting. A number of witnesses also described the man wearing a white shirt as well. There are several sources that mention one of the men wearing a brown or tan coat too. One of these sources would testify at the Shaw trial on February 19, 1969, and his name was Richard Randolph Carr.
Q: You can go on and tell us what you observed, tell us what you observed and what you heard.
A: All right. As I stated before, I noticed this fellow in the window, and this gentleman, the pipefitter and myself, he made the statement to --
MR. DYMOND: I object to what the man made a statement concerning.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: You can say what you said.
A: I thought he was a Secret Agent man or an FBI man.
Q: What did the man in the window look like?
A: He had on a hat, a felt hat, a light hat, he had on heavy-rimmed glasses, dark, the glasses were heavy-rimmed, and heavy ear pieces on his glasses.
Q: Go ahead.
A: He had on a tie, he had on a light shirt, a tan sport coat.
So Carr also observed a man wearing a tan sport/suit coat. Interestingly enough further corroboration of this sighting came all the way from California. On November 23, 1963, Mrs. E.W. Gaiver was watching coverage of the assassination with a friend by the name of Nell D. Crane. Mrs. Crane told her about seeing two men running from the TSBD. This is covered in Warren Commission Document (WCD) 1035. Here are the details.
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...Mrs. CRANE told her of seeing pictures of two men running away from the School Depository Building immediately after the President was shot.
At about 1 PM to 2 PM, watching either Los Angeles Channel 2 or Channel 4, she observed pictures of the President in his car...Immediately following this picture, the television showed the School Depository Building, and she observed two men, one behind the other, running from behind the building to the left, and down an alley and street out of view. The man in front, the shorter of the two, threw what appeared to be a tan or brown jacket into a bush as he ran away, followed by the second man, who appeared to be accompanying the first man, not chasing him.
In subsequent coverage of the assassination, she has never been able to observe this scene. (WCD 1035, p. 1)
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We again see a mention of a tan or brown coat being worn by a man running from the TSBD. Further confirmation of this would come from Mrs. Crane's daughter, Doris Lee Crane, on the next page of the document as she was watching the assassination coverage on Monday, November 25, 1963.
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At about 8:30, while watching television with the GAIVERs and her mother, her mother commented, "Look closely and you will see two men running."
...She recalled that immediately following the shooting of the President, the picture shifted to the School Depository Building and she observed two men running from the rear of the building, around a tree and out of sight. The man in front, believed to be a short white man, threw his coat or jacket away as he ran. The taller man, dark complexioned but believed to be a white man, appeared to be chasing the shorter man. She did not see any weapons, displayed and has never seen this same scene depicted in any of the later television coverage of the assassination. (Ibid., p. 2)
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Who were these men? Notice how one appeared to be dark complected and this is mentioned by witnesses who saw a man appearing to be like this in the windows of the TSBD prior to the shooting of JFK. One of the men also threw away a tan or brown jacket as well just as Ms. Walton and Mr. Carr saw. What happened to this jacket?
The FBI tried to secure the footage that the three ladies viewed, but were not able to get it as the copy they were sent did not depict the two men running and ditching the jacket.
Ms. Walton would then be asked about the shots.
Q: While the motorcade was passing in front of you did you have occasion to hear any unusual noises?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: How many did you hear?
A: All together I heard four.
Q: At the time of the first noise what did that noise sound like to you?
A: It was a loud popping sound and I thought it was just a firecracker.
Q: Where were you located at the time you first heard the noise?
A: Still standing in the same position.
Q: And where was the President's car?
A: It had already passed the, the last car was passing in front of me when I heard the first shot. (Elizabeth Walton testimony at the Clay Shaw Trial, February 14, 1969)
She clearly says that she heard four shots and this alone contradicts the official claim as the WC claimed only three shots were fired. By the time of the fourth shot that she had heard she had moved down Elm Street. She is then asked where she thought the shots originated from (something the WC did with only 123 people out of about 400).
Q: After hearing these four noises what if anything did you do?
A: I stopped and said "That is gunshots."
Q: What did you do?
A: I started down the side on Elm Street and people were running and screaming.
Q: Which way were the people moving?
A: This way.
Q: Have your seat back, Mrs. Walton. At the time you heard these noises and you were in this vicinity did you have any impression as to where the shots were coming from at the time you heard them?
A: Somewhere from my right, possibly to the front right. (Ibid.)
Ms. Walton was facing the Triple Underpass at the time of the shots so her "front right" would have been in the area of the Grassy Knoll (GK). Many others would say the same thing in regards to the origination of the shots. This is important testimony that unfortunately does not get mentioned hardly at all. She saw a man with a tan or brown coat, she saw two men in the windows of the TSBD, and she believed that the shots originated from the GK area.
Once again, thank you Mr. Garrison for seeking her out and calling her as a witness as she is very important in the search for the truth regarding the JFK assassination.
All portions are ©️ Robert Caprio 2006-2024
New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison launched an investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) in the late 1960s. He was, and is still, the only person or entity to do this. In 1969 the trial of his main suspect, Clay Shaw, began and the prosecution called a number of witnesses. This post will look at one witness that is not discussed much, but her observations match several other sources.
On February 14, 1969, Ms. Elizabeth Carolyn Walton was called as a witness because she had been in Dealey Plaza (DP) on November 22, 1963, and was a witness to the shooting of JFK. Here is the background on this.
Q: What was your primary reason for being in Dealey Plaza?
A: To see President Kennedy.
Q: Were you working at this time?
A: Yes, in the Dal-Tex Market Building.
Q: Is this located in Dealey Plaza?
A: Yes, sir, it is.
Q: At approximately noon that day or sometime around that hour did you have occasion to leave the Dal-Tex Building and go anywhere?
A: I went out in the street to see the President.
Q: And what position did you take on what street to view the Presidential Motorcade?
A: I was on Houston just off of the corner of Elm by the Records Building. (Elizabeth Walton testimony at the Clay Shaw Trial, February 14, 1969)
Ms. Walton worked in the Dal-Tex Building and that particular building has been suspected of being involved in the assassination by researchers over the years in terms of having a gunman inside it. The Dal-Tex offered a straight on angle in relation to the presidential limousine as compared to the alleged southeast sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) which had a hard angle to it. She stood on Houston Street so this would give her a good view of the TSBD and DP.
Ms. Walton and a friend arrived about 10-15 minutes before the motorcade arrived so she had time to look around the plaza, but she would say her attention was on the Dal-Tex and TSBD. Here is what she testified to regarding what she saw.
Q: At this particular time did you have occasion to view anything that caught your attention?
A: Yes, I had ten or fifteen minutes to look around.
Q: During this time was your attention drawn to anything in particular?
A: Well, we looked at the Dal-Tex Market Building and the School Book Depository.
Q: When you viewed the Texas School Book Depository did anything appear unusual to you?
A: Yes, sir, the windows were open and that was the first I'd ever seen them open. (Ibid.)
Ms. Walton was a person who worked at the Dal-Tex Building so one could imagine that she saw the TSBD quite a bit and she testified to never seeing the windows of the TSBD being OPEN! Why were they open on November 22, 1963? Any real investigator would have been immediately drawn to this, but as usual the Warren Commission (WC) never looked into it and of course Ms. Walton was never called to give testimony before them. Wow. The WC sure left no stone unturned, huh?
She will then be asked what she observed further.
Q: When viewing these windows did you have occasion to see anything?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: Tell the Gentlemen of the Court and the Gentlemen of the Jury what you saw.
A: The first time I looked I saw a man I think wearing a maroon shirt in the center of the building. The first time I looked at the building I saw a man I think in a maroon shirt in the center of the building stand up and later on I saw two men in another building and one was holding a gun and the other was standing beside him.
Q: Can you describe how the two men were dressed as you saw them?
A: The man wearing the gun I think was wearing a white shirt, I'm not sure.
Q: How was the other man dressed?
A: A brown suit coat. (Ibid.)
She observed TWO men in the windows of the TSBD. This is of course would be corroborated by other witnesses who also saw two men in the windows when the WC claimed that only Lee Harvey Oswald (WC) was up there shooting. A number of witnesses also described the man wearing a white shirt as well. There are several sources that mention one of the men wearing a brown or tan coat too. One of these sources would testify at the Shaw trial on February 19, 1969, and his name was Richard Randolph Carr.
Q: You can go on and tell us what you observed, tell us what you observed and what you heard.
A: All right. As I stated before, I noticed this fellow in the window, and this gentleman, the pipefitter and myself, he made the statement to --
MR. DYMOND: I object to what the man made a statement concerning.
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q: You can say what you said.
A: I thought he was a Secret Agent man or an FBI man.
Q: What did the man in the window look like?
A: He had on a hat, a felt hat, a light hat, he had on heavy-rimmed glasses, dark, the glasses were heavy-rimmed, and heavy ear pieces on his glasses.
Q: Go ahead.
A: He had on a tie, he had on a light shirt, a tan sport coat.
So Carr also observed a man wearing a tan sport/suit coat. Interestingly enough further corroboration of this sighting came all the way from California. On November 23, 1963, Mrs. E.W. Gaiver was watching coverage of the assassination with a friend by the name of Nell D. Crane. Mrs. Crane told her about seeing two men running from the TSBD. This is covered in Warren Commission Document (WCD) 1035. Here are the details.
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...Mrs. CRANE told her of seeing pictures of two men running away from the School Depository Building immediately after the President was shot.
At about 1 PM to 2 PM, watching either Los Angeles Channel 2 or Channel 4, she observed pictures of the President in his car...Immediately following this picture, the television showed the School Depository Building, and she observed two men, one behind the other, running from behind the building to the left, and down an alley and street out of view. The man in front, the shorter of the two, threw what appeared to be a tan or brown jacket into a bush as he ran away, followed by the second man, who appeared to be accompanying the first man, not chasing him.
In subsequent coverage of the assassination, she has never been able to observe this scene. (WCD 1035, p. 1)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11431#relPageId=3
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We again see a mention of a tan or brown coat being worn by a man running from the TSBD. Further confirmation of this would come from Mrs. Crane's daughter, Doris Lee Crane, on the next page of the document as she was watching the assassination coverage on Monday, November 25, 1963.
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At about 8:30, while watching television with the GAIVERs and her mother, her mother commented, "Look closely and you will see two men running."
...She recalled that immediately following the shooting of the President, the picture shifted to the School Depository Building and she observed two men running from the rear of the building, around a tree and out of sight. The man in front, believed to be a short white man, threw his coat or jacket away as he ran. The taller man, dark complexioned but believed to be a white man, appeared to be chasing the shorter man. She did not see any weapons, displayed and has never seen this same scene depicted in any of the later television coverage of the assassination. (Ibid., p. 2)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11431#relPageId=4
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Who were these men? Notice how one appeared to be dark complected and this is mentioned by witnesses who saw a man appearing to be like this in the windows of the TSBD prior to the shooting of JFK. One of the men also threw away a tan or brown jacket as well just as Ms. Walton and Mr. Carr saw. What happened to this jacket?
The FBI tried to secure the footage that the three ladies viewed, but were not able to get it as the copy they were sent did not depict the two men running and ditching the jacket.
Ms. Walton would then be asked about the shots.
Q: While the motorcade was passing in front of you did you have occasion to hear any unusual noises?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: How many did you hear?
A: All together I heard four.
Q: At the time of the first noise what did that noise sound like to you?
A: It was a loud popping sound and I thought it was just a firecracker.
Q: Where were you located at the time you first heard the noise?
A: Still standing in the same position.
Q: And where was the President's car?
A: It had already passed the, the last car was passing in front of me when I heard the first shot. (Elizabeth Walton testimony at the Clay Shaw Trial, February 14, 1969)
She clearly says that she heard four shots and this alone contradicts the official claim as the WC claimed only three shots were fired. By the time of the fourth shot that she had heard she had moved down Elm Street. She is then asked where she thought the shots originated from (something the WC did with only 123 people out of about 400).
Q: After hearing these four noises what if anything did you do?
A: I stopped and said "That is gunshots."
Q: What did you do?
A: I started down the side on Elm Street and people were running and screaming.
Q: Which way were the people moving?
A: This way.
Q: Have your seat back, Mrs. Walton. At the time you heard these noises and you were in this vicinity did you have any impression as to where the shots were coming from at the time you heard them?
A: Somewhere from my right, possibly to the front right. (Ibid.)
Ms. Walton was facing the Triple Underpass at the time of the shots so her "front right" would have been in the area of the Grassy Knoll (GK). Many others would say the same thing in regards to the origination of the shots. This is important testimony that unfortunately does not get mentioned hardly at all. She saw a man with a tan or brown coat, she saw two men in the windows of the TSBD, and she believed that the shots originated from the GK area.
Once again, thank you Mr. Garrison for seeking her out and calling her as a witness as she is very important in the search for the truth regarding the JFK assassination.