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The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) would examine witnesses that the Warren Commission (WC) ignored in 1964. This is was a large task since the WC ignored quite a number of key witnesses during their "investigation" into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK). This post will look at one of the important Dealey Plaza (DP) witnesses that the WC couldn't find time to call to testify before them during their time "investigating."
The HSCA Says...Richard Randolph Carr.
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Richard Randolph Carr was interviewed by the FBI on January 4, 1964, so we have a record of what he saw and once you read it then it becomes clear why the WC ignored him as his statements do NOT match the conclusion they would reach.
Carr stated that he was in DP around noon on November 22, 1963, to look for the foreman who was in charge of the construction on the new court house at the corners of Houston and Commerce Streets in DP. He was told that the foreman was on the ninth floor so he started walking up the steel stairway of the building and when he arrived at the sixth floor he happened to look at the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) building and he saw something that caught his attention.
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... observed an individual described as a white male, wearing a hat, a tan sportcoat, and wearing glasses, looking out of the top floor window. A few minutes later, he heard sounds which he believed to be backfire of an automobile and shortly thereafter heard a second sound, and looking toward the triple underpass, he saw several individuals falling to the ground. CARR advised he not look at the TSBD again and immediately proceeded down the staircase with intentions of going over to the triple underpass to see what had happened. (FBI Interview with Richard Randlolph Carr, dated January 14, 1964, p. 1 (DL --100--10461))
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By this description we know he was not observing Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) as the WC claimed. This is why the WC was not interested in what he had to say and ignored him. Carr would say after he heard the shots he went to street level to see what had happened. He planned on heading to the triple underpass area near what is now referred to as the "Grassy Knoll" (GK) when he observed something else.
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Upon reaching the ground, CARR advised he proceeded to the Houston Avenue and Commerce - Street intersection, at which time he observed an individual who he believed to be the person he saw earlier on the top floor of the TSBD building. (Ibid.)
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The HSCA would say that Carr could not see the sixth floor of the TSBD. Is this correct?
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Carr said that from that spot [sixth floor of the County Courthouse construction] he could only see the top floor and roof of the depository building. It was from that location that he observed the man in the depository window. (Ibid., p. 2; HSCA XII, p. 8)
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Since the HSCA said that he saw a man in the "window" this would exclude the roof as the site of his observation, thus, the seventh floor had to be where he saw the man. As we have seen before in my "Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions" series the seventh floor was an ideal spot for a shooter to set up because there was a closet with a door on that floor. This would have provided excellent shelter for the shooter since the floors of the TSBD were open. Clearly this could not have been LHO as even the WC had him on the sixth floor. So who was this man? The man that he would see on the ground matched the man he had seen in the window which means this person had no problem leaving the TSBD following the shooting. Why?
In his testimony at the Clay Shaw trial he said that the man he saw was in the fifth floor window of the TSBD. Fifth or seventh is a discrepancy, but neither is the sixth floor which is what the WC claimed. Carr said that the man was running on Houston Street when he saw him and he appeared to be looking back over his shoulder as if he thought someone was following him. (HSCA XII, p. 9)
Carr testified to seeing numerous men leaving the rear of the TSBD following the assassination.
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Carr said that immediately after the shots he saw three men emerge from behind the depository and enter the station wagon. He gave a description of one of them: he was “real dark-complected" and appeared to be Spanish or Cuban; he drove the car away, going north on Houston Street. (Ibid.)
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This testimony matches other testimony given by Sheriff Deputy Roger Craig, but it was never investigated to find out more. Why? These kinds of leads were routinely ignored by the WC despite their claim about searching for the truth.
The HSCA provided a short description of what happened to Carr when he told the FBI what he observed.
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During the Shaw trial testimony, said he had reported this information to law enforcement officers and someone had told him not to repeat this information. At that point, defense counsel objected to hearsay by Carr, and no further details were elicited about the reported coercion of Carr, other than his statement that he did what the FBI told him to do, “I shut my mouth.” (Ibid.)
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According to Carr he was told not to repeat what he saw and the FBI told him to shut his mouth. Is this how an honest, find the truth kind of investigation is run? I don’t think so. If what he said was incorrect, why not show it was by using the evidence instead of silencing them? Of course it has been denied that he was told to shut his mouth or “If you didn’t see Lee Harvey Oswald in the School Book Depository with a rifle, you didn't see it", but given what he told researcher Henry Hurt and what happened to him this is highly doubtful
Hurt wrote this about his conversation with Richard Randolph Carr.
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It should be noted that over the years Carr's testimony has been somewhat inconsistent. And, for whatever reason, he has been seriously intimidated since originally offering his account to officials. He has been shot at and has found sticks of dynamite wired to his automobile's ignition switch. Still, Carr's earliest reports to officials are consistent on his sighting of the Nash Rambler.
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If what he saw was incorrect, why would this stuff be needed? This occurred after threatening telephone calls forced him to move to Montana too.
Not one WC star witness was ever harassed in any way and their statements were inconsistent with the evidence.
What do you think? Do you believe Carr or not? If not, please state your reasons why.
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The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) would examine witnesses that the Warren Commission (WC) ignored in 1964. This is was a large task since the WC ignored quite a number of key witnesses during their "investigation" into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK). This post will look at one of the important Dealey Plaza (DP) witnesses that the WC couldn't find time to call to testify before them during their time "investigating."
The HSCA Says...Richard Randolph Carr.
*******************************************
Richard Randolph Carr was interviewed by the FBI on January 4, 1964, so we have a record of what he saw and once you read it then it becomes clear why the WC ignored him as his statements do NOT match the conclusion they would reach.
Carr stated that he was in DP around noon on November 22, 1963, to look for the foreman who was in charge of the construction on the new court house at the corners of Houston and Commerce Streets in DP. He was told that the foreman was on the ninth floor so he started walking up the steel stairway of the building and when he arrived at the sixth floor he happened to look at the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) building and he saw something that caught his attention.
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... observed an individual described as a white male, wearing a hat, a tan sportcoat, and wearing glasses, looking out of the top floor window. A few minutes later, he heard sounds which he believed to be backfire of an automobile and shortly thereafter heard a second sound, and looking toward the triple underpass, he saw several individuals falling to the ground. CARR advised he not look at the TSBD again and immediately proceeded down the staircase with intentions of going over to the triple underpass to see what had happened. (FBI Interview with Richard Randlolph Carr, dated January 14, 1964, p. 1 (DL --100--10461))
jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/C%20Disk/Carr%20Richard%20Randolph/Item%2003.pdf
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By this description we know he was not observing Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) as the WC claimed. This is why the WC was not interested in what he had to say and ignored him. Carr would say after he heard the shots he went to street level to see what had happened. He planned on heading to the triple underpass area near what is now referred to as the "Grassy Knoll" (GK) when he observed something else.
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Upon reaching the ground, CARR advised he proceeded to the Houston Avenue and Commerce - Street intersection, at which time he observed an individual who he believed to be the person he saw earlier on the top floor of the TSBD building. (Ibid.)
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The HSCA would say that Carr could not see the sixth floor of the TSBD. Is this correct?
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Carr said that from that spot [sixth floor of the County Courthouse construction] he could only see the top floor and roof of the depository building. It was from that location that he observed the man in the depository window. (Ibid., p. 2; HSCA XII, p. 8)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=84#relPageId=12
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Since the HSCA said that he saw a man in the "window" this would exclude the roof as the site of his observation, thus, the seventh floor had to be where he saw the man. As we have seen before in my "Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions" series the seventh floor was an ideal spot for a shooter to set up because there was a closet with a door on that floor. This would have provided excellent shelter for the shooter since the floors of the TSBD were open. Clearly this could not have been LHO as even the WC had him on the sixth floor. So who was this man? The man that he would see on the ground matched the man he had seen in the window which means this person had no problem leaving the TSBD following the shooting. Why?
In his testimony at the Clay Shaw trial he said that the man he saw was in the fifth floor window of the TSBD. Fifth or seventh is a discrepancy, but neither is the sixth floor which is what the WC claimed. Carr said that the man was running on Houston Street when he saw him and he appeared to be looking back over his shoulder as if he thought someone was following him. (HSCA XII, p. 9)
Carr testified to seeing numerous men leaving the rear of the TSBD following the assassination.
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Carr said that immediately after the shots he saw three men emerge from behind the depository and enter the station wagon. He gave a description of one of them: he was “real dark-complected" and appeared to be Spanish or Cuban; he drove the car away, going north on Houston Street. (Ibid.)
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This testimony matches other testimony given by Sheriff Deputy Roger Craig, but it was never investigated to find out more. Why? These kinds of leads were routinely ignored by the WC despite their claim about searching for the truth.
The HSCA provided a short description of what happened to Carr when he told the FBI what he observed.
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During the Shaw trial testimony, said he had reported this information to law enforcement officers and someone had told him not to repeat this information. At that point, defense counsel objected to hearsay by Carr, and no further details were elicited about the reported coercion of Carr, other than his statement that he did what the FBI told him to do, “I shut my mouth.” (Ibid.)
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According to Carr he was told not to repeat what he saw and the FBI told him to shut his mouth. Is this how an honest, find the truth kind of investigation is run? I don’t think so. If what he said was incorrect, why not show it was by using the evidence instead of silencing them? Of course it has been denied that he was told to shut his mouth or “If you didn’t see Lee Harvey Oswald in the School Book Depository with a rifle, you didn't see it", but given what he told researcher Henry Hurt and what happened to him this is highly doubtful
Hurt wrote this about his conversation with Richard Randolph Carr.
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It should be noted that over the years Carr's testimony has been somewhat inconsistent. And, for whatever reason, he has been seriously intimidated since originally offering his account to officials. He has been shot at and has found sticks of dynamite wired to his automobile's ignition switch. Still, Carr's earliest reports to officials are consistent on his sighting of the Nash Rambler.
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If what he saw was incorrect, why would this stuff be needed? This occurred after threatening telephone calls forced him to move to Montana too.
Not one WC star witness was ever harassed in any way and their statements were inconsistent with the evidence.
What do you think? Do you believe Carr or not? If not, please state your reasons why.