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Raymond Gallagher
11/2009
[Edited By John Duncan]
The JFK Commerative Cartridge Story;
The cartridges recovered with Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle* were part of a batch made in 1949 by the Western Cartridge Company in East Alton Il. They were made for the government of Greece as part of US military aid during the Greek civil war. They were commonly avaible on the surplus market during the early 1960's. They were packed in typical American 20 round boxes of white cardboard.
*Note -- There is no evidence in the twenty-six volumes that shows Oswald ever purchased, received or owned Commission Exhibit 139 or any other rifle. -- John Duncan
NOT SURE
What is the evidentiary basis for Dr. Guinn's "facts"? He clearly based his entire neutron activation analysis in this case on the proposition that Western Cartridge Company Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition varied greatly from bullet to bullet but showed homogeneity within a given Mannlicher bullet. This turns out to be contradicted by the results of Dr. Guinn's own tests.
It appears that on the day Dr. Guinn told HSCA that "you simply do not find a wide variation in composition within individual WCC Mannlicher-Carcano bullets," the entire database on which he relied consisted of three broken WCC Mannlicher bullets, one of which showed an intra-bullet variation of 175%, one of which showed an intra-bullet variation of 84%, and a third which showed an intra-bullet variation of 16%. [See Appendix B for Guinn's test charts, as well as a comparison of intra-bullet variations with lot variations in his tests.] It is reasonable to assume that if Dr. Guinn had performed other tests of fragments from single Mannlicher bullets and they had shown greater homogeneity, he would have included them in his test results. Further, the fact that he worked with only 14 bullets limited the number he had available for fragmenting and testing.
THE WCC PRODUCTION LOTS
1. Dr. Guinn felt he could make his assertions about the nature of Mannlicher bullets with certainty because he believed he had examined bullets from every production lot manufactured by Western Cartridge Company.
WOLF. Did you examine bullets from every lot produced by the Western Cartridge Company?
GUINN. Yes. The Western Cartridge Company reportedly made 1 million rounds of each of 4 production runs, lots 6000. 6001, 6002, and 6003. They were made at different times in 1954, and reportedly those were the only lots they ever produced, and we had boxes from each of those lots. (HSCA, I, p. 494)
But Guinn was again in error. His assumptions were false. Western Cartridge Company had produced ammunition for the 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano before 1954 and this ammunition had found its way into the mainstream of sellers and distributors. This had been told to the Warren Commission fourteen years before Guinn testified:
"On March 23, 1964, Mr. R. W. Botts (District Manager, Winchester- Western) advised the Western Cartridge Company...manufactured a quantity of 6.5 M/M Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition for the Italian government during World War II. At the end of the war, the Italian Carcano rifle, and no telling how much of this type of ammunition was sold to the United States gun brokers and dealers and subsequently was distributed by direct sales to wholesalers, retailers and individual purchasers." (WC Exhibit 2694, Vol XXVI, p. 62)
3. The purpose of Mr. Wolf's question and Dr. Guinn's answer was clearly to establish the comprehensiveness of the work at Guinn's laboratory and to insure that no kind of 6.5 Mannlicher ammunition had evaded his testing. Once again, Dr. Guinn's answer is at variance with known facts.
CONCLUSIONS
1. It is troubling that Dr. Guinn made blanket statements about the characteristics of WCC Mannlicher-Carcano bullets while unaware of the existence of Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition from production lots he had never tested.
Oswald's ammo* could have come from:
Western Cartridge Company had produced ammunition for the 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano before 1954 and this ammunition had found its way into the mainstream of sellers and distributors. This had been told to the Warren Commission fourteen years before Guinn testified, REMEMBER?
"On March 23, 1964, Mr. R. W. Botts (District Manager, Winchester-Western) advised the Western Cartridge Company...manufactured a quantity of 6.5 M/M Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition for the Italian government during World War II. At the end of the war, the Italian Carcano rifle, and no telling how much of this type of ammunition was sold to the United States gun brokers and dealers and subsequently was distributed by direct sales to wholesalers, retailers and individual purchasers." (WC Exhibit 2694, Vol XXVI, p. 62)
*Note -- There is no evidence in the twenty-six volumes that shows Lee Harvey Oswald purchased any ammunition. -- John Duncan
www.awesomestories.com/images/user/2e1a000f06.gif
Raymond Gallagher
11/2009
[Edited By John Duncan]
The JFK Commerative Cartridge Story;
The cartridges recovered with Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle* were part of a batch made in 1949 by the Western Cartridge Company in East Alton Il. They were made for the government of Greece as part of US military aid during the Greek civil war. They were commonly avaible on the surplus market during the early 1960's. They were packed in typical American 20 round boxes of white cardboard.
*Note -- There is no evidence in the twenty-six volumes that shows Oswald ever purchased, received or owned Commission Exhibit 139 or any other rifle. -- John Duncan
NOT SURE
What is the evidentiary basis for Dr. Guinn's "facts"? He clearly based his entire neutron activation analysis in this case on the proposition that Western Cartridge Company Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition varied greatly from bullet to bullet but showed homogeneity within a given Mannlicher bullet. This turns out to be contradicted by the results of Dr. Guinn's own tests.
It appears that on the day Dr. Guinn told HSCA that "you simply do not find a wide variation in composition within individual WCC Mannlicher-Carcano bullets," the entire database on which he relied consisted of three broken WCC Mannlicher bullets, one of which showed an intra-bullet variation of 175%, one of which showed an intra-bullet variation of 84%, and a third which showed an intra-bullet variation of 16%. [See Appendix B for Guinn's test charts, as well as a comparison of intra-bullet variations with lot variations in his tests.] It is reasonable to assume that if Dr. Guinn had performed other tests of fragments from single Mannlicher bullets and they had shown greater homogeneity, he would have included them in his test results. Further, the fact that he worked with only 14 bullets limited the number he had available for fragmenting and testing.
THE WCC PRODUCTION LOTS
1. Dr. Guinn felt he could make his assertions about the nature of Mannlicher bullets with certainty because he believed he had examined bullets from every production lot manufactured by Western Cartridge Company.
WOLF. Did you examine bullets from every lot produced by the Western Cartridge Company?
GUINN. Yes. The Western Cartridge Company reportedly made 1 million rounds of each of 4 production runs, lots 6000. 6001, 6002, and 6003. They were made at different times in 1954, and reportedly those were the only lots they ever produced, and we had boxes from each of those lots. (HSCA, I, p. 494)
But Guinn was again in error. His assumptions were false. Western Cartridge Company had produced ammunition for the 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano before 1954 and this ammunition had found its way into the mainstream of sellers and distributors. This had been told to the Warren Commission fourteen years before Guinn testified:
"On March 23, 1964, Mr. R. W. Botts (District Manager, Winchester- Western) advised the Western Cartridge Company...manufactured a quantity of 6.5 M/M Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition for the Italian government during World War II. At the end of the war, the Italian Carcano rifle, and no telling how much of this type of ammunition was sold to the United States gun brokers and dealers and subsequently was distributed by direct sales to wholesalers, retailers and individual purchasers." (WC Exhibit 2694, Vol XXVI, p. 62)
3. The purpose of Mr. Wolf's question and Dr. Guinn's answer was clearly to establish the comprehensiveness of the work at Guinn's laboratory and to insure that no kind of 6.5 Mannlicher ammunition had evaded his testing. Once again, Dr. Guinn's answer is at variance with known facts.
CONCLUSIONS
1. It is troubling that Dr. Guinn made blanket statements about the characteristics of WCC Mannlicher-Carcano bullets while unaware of the existence of Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition from production lots he had never tested.
Oswald's ammo* could have come from:
Western Cartridge Company had produced ammunition for the 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano before 1954 and this ammunition had found its way into the mainstream of sellers and distributors. This had been told to the Warren Commission fourteen years before Guinn testified, REMEMBER?
"On March 23, 1964, Mr. R. W. Botts (District Manager, Winchester-Western) advised the Western Cartridge Company...manufactured a quantity of 6.5 M/M Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition for the Italian government during World War II. At the end of the war, the Italian Carcano rifle, and no telling how much of this type of ammunition was sold to the United States gun brokers and dealers and subsequently was distributed by direct sales to wholesalers, retailers and individual purchasers." (WC Exhibit 2694, Vol XXVI, p. 62)
*Note -- There is no evidence in the twenty-six volumes that shows Lee Harvey Oswald purchased any ammunition. -- John Duncan