Post by Rob Caprio on Mar 20, 2022 15:30:25 GMT -5
All portions ©️ Robert Caprio 2006-2024
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben Holmes will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben Holmes will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Now let's add in Ben's own notice to lurkers for his series as he is DOING THE SAME THING HE ACCUSES THE TROLLS OF DOING!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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This post is backwards as NOW Ben Holmes is telling the obvious lie while Walt Cakebread ignores it! Ben has claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) owned the alleged murder weapon, Commission Exhibit (CE) 139, bearing the serial number C2766!
“My historically correct statement that there *IS* evidence that Oswald owned an MC with the serial number of C2766 is irrefutable.” (Ben Holmes—2/10/10)
He has agreed with KNOWN LNers who claim LHO owned CE-139!
“CE399 eminated (sic) from Oswald's rifle;” (Brandon Alexander)
“True.” (Ben Holmes—8/27/03)
I have asked him to cite this evidence for us, but to date he is in FULL run mode and blaming me! He claims I use the word evidence differently from most others (i.e., LNers like him) so he won't cite it until I give a definition! He is back to his old "dictionary games" again!
“When you provide a cite for the meaning of the word (evidence) *THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT AS AUTHORITATIVE*, then I'll be happy to list the evidence that Oswald owned CE-139. You see, it *DOES* exist - and you've simply lied.” (Ben Holmes—2/12/10)
Ben has chastised LNers over the years for using the CTer as the reason for NOT citing something, BUT NOW HE IS DOING THE SAME THING!
“A few posts today and already I've had it. I've broken my long-standing rule to never argue with idiots, because dignifying idiots by arguing with them only lends them credibility (in their own minds). I'll probably quietly slip away after another post or two,…” (JohnBL, edited by Ben)
“Most LNT'ers do. Amazing, the power we seem to hold over you guys. Stopping you from supporting your own assertions.” (Ben Holmes—2/1/06)
He said there was evidence, and NOW he is blaming me for why he can't cite it!
“…why did YOU say there was evidence showing LHO owned the alleged murder weapon again?” (Robert, edited by Ben)
“I said it because it's true.” (Ben Holmes—2/11/10)
Luckily for those of us who are keeping track of this Warren Commission (WC) shill's words, I found this!
“Then explain the photo of Oswald holding a rifle. Nor have I *EVER* claimed that there's "proof", only that there's evidence. The BY photo is clearly evidence to support Oswald owning a rifle.” (Ben Holmes—12/21/09)
This is what he is obviously referring to since he lies and claims CE-133A (a BY photo) is GENUINE when he has NEVER showed it is or even tried to tackle the issues these photos have. NOTICE he even says "a" rifle! How can he expect to use this as evidence for the alleged murder weapon? He is clearly in trouble and trying to play games instead of listing the evidence to save himself. He has said in the past that he believed LHO did NOT own a rifle!
16) Oswald told DPD he "did not own a gun." (A lie.) (Ed Cage)
“Did he? What was the question? What was the context? I think he probably *did* own a pistol, but there's never been convincing evidence that he owned a rifle.” (Ben Holmes)
Much like his ABOUT FACE on the Mexico City and General Walker incidents, here we see him do an about face again! NOW the primary evidence in this case has NOT changed much in these areas since 1964, so what is making Ben TOTALLY CHANGE HIS OUTLOOK on all of these issues when NO new, compelling evidence has been produced by the government? What is making him go from an obvious CTer to an OBVIOUIS LNer?
I can only think of a few things. Money is first as he is perhaps now in a type of job (freelance) where he is paid to lie and support the government's theories! Secondly, he could be a double as the real Ben Holmes left the site years ago (I noticed a change in this outlook starting around the second half of 2006) and a LNer from John McAdams' class or some other area began posting here under his name. It is much more confusing and brutal to have a "CTer" attack other CTers and there is certainly a pattern of Ben attacking CTers.
I have said from the first day I came here, there are very few real CTers here and this is the conspiracy board! 90% of us Americans believe in a conspiracy of some kind in JFK's murder, so why are we so outnumbered? I'm sure there are a few more possibilities, but to be honest, I don't really care. He is a LNer posing here as a CTer to me.
NOW Walt has NOT jumped in and tried to defend Ben like Ben does for him, but his SILENCE on this claim is DEAFENING! Here is a snippet from Steve SAYING THE SAME THING BEN IS CLAIMING!
“5. Several photographs showing Oswald holding that rifle” (Steve)
“Another damned lie.....The rifle in CE 133A is DIFFERENT than the TSBD rifle.” (Walt—2/4/10)
Walt knows the rifle in the "one and only genuine" (Walt also thinks this photo, CE 133-A, is genuine and he too has FAILED to ever show this was correct) backyard photo is NOT the same as the rifle found in the TSBD. He told me so yesterday!
“Duh...Stupid, why would I present evidence that contradicts my contention. If there was evidence that Oswald OWNED the TSBD rifle I wouldn't take the position that he DID NOT own it. If you could get your head out of your ass, you'd know that I have repeatedly said that I believe that George Demorhenschildt bought the money order and gave it to Lee to order the rifle. If that is true....Then Lee DID NOT own the rifle. There's reasonable doubt that Lee ever had possession of the rifle that was found BURIED BENEATH boxes of books on the sixth floor of the TSBD.” (Walt—2/15/10)
I do point out all of Walt's lies, but I do have to give him credit for maintaining his position on this issue despite him knowing Ben was claiming otherwise. He did NOT alter his thinking of 40 years to side with Ben like Ben does for him!
Still, he has been silent on Ben's claim and lack of cites. Why?
Walt has told Gil and others he will attack anyone who lies about the evidence (from his point of view), but just as Ben gives him a "free pass" he seems to do the same for Ben! Why? IF the truth is the goal as these two guys claim, why do they allow each other to lie to high heaven about the evidence?
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben Holmes will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben Holmes will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Now let's add in Ben's own notice to lurkers for his series as he is DOING THE SAME THING HE ACCUSES THE TROLLS OF DOING!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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This post is backwards as NOW Ben Holmes is telling the obvious lie while Walt Cakebread ignores it! Ben has claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) owned the alleged murder weapon, Commission Exhibit (CE) 139, bearing the serial number C2766!
“My historically correct statement that there *IS* evidence that Oswald owned an MC with the serial number of C2766 is irrefutable.” (Ben Holmes—2/10/10)
He has agreed with KNOWN LNers who claim LHO owned CE-139!
“CE399 eminated (sic) from Oswald's rifle;” (Brandon Alexander)
“True.” (Ben Holmes—8/27/03)
I have asked him to cite this evidence for us, but to date he is in FULL run mode and blaming me! He claims I use the word evidence differently from most others (i.e., LNers like him) so he won't cite it until I give a definition! He is back to his old "dictionary games" again!
“When you provide a cite for the meaning of the word (evidence) *THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT AS AUTHORITATIVE*, then I'll be happy to list the evidence that Oswald owned CE-139. You see, it *DOES* exist - and you've simply lied.” (Ben Holmes—2/12/10)
Ben has chastised LNers over the years for using the CTer as the reason for NOT citing something, BUT NOW HE IS DOING THE SAME THING!
“A few posts today and already I've had it. I've broken my long-standing rule to never argue with idiots, because dignifying idiots by arguing with them only lends them credibility (in their own minds). I'll probably quietly slip away after another post or two,…” (JohnBL, edited by Ben)
“Most LNT'ers do. Amazing, the power we seem to hold over you guys. Stopping you from supporting your own assertions.” (Ben Holmes—2/1/06)
He said there was evidence, and NOW he is blaming me for why he can't cite it!
“…why did YOU say there was evidence showing LHO owned the alleged murder weapon again?” (Robert, edited by Ben)
“I said it because it's true.” (Ben Holmes—2/11/10)
Luckily for those of us who are keeping track of this Warren Commission (WC) shill's words, I found this!
“Then explain the photo of Oswald holding a rifle. Nor have I *EVER* claimed that there's "proof", only that there's evidence. The BY photo is clearly evidence to support Oswald owning a rifle.” (Ben Holmes—12/21/09)
This is what he is obviously referring to since he lies and claims CE-133A (a BY photo) is GENUINE when he has NEVER showed it is or even tried to tackle the issues these photos have. NOTICE he even says "a" rifle! How can he expect to use this as evidence for the alleged murder weapon? He is clearly in trouble and trying to play games instead of listing the evidence to save himself. He has said in the past that he believed LHO did NOT own a rifle!
16) Oswald told DPD he "did not own a gun." (A lie.) (Ed Cage)
“Did he? What was the question? What was the context? I think he probably *did* own a pistol, but there's never been convincing evidence that he owned a rifle.” (Ben Holmes)
Much like his ABOUT FACE on the Mexico City and General Walker incidents, here we see him do an about face again! NOW the primary evidence in this case has NOT changed much in these areas since 1964, so what is making Ben TOTALLY CHANGE HIS OUTLOOK on all of these issues when NO new, compelling evidence has been produced by the government? What is making him go from an obvious CTer to an OBVIOUIS LNer?
I can only think of a few things. Money is first as he is perhaps now in a type of job (freelance) where he is paid to lie and support the government's theories! Secondly, he could be a double as the real Ben Holmes left the site years ago (I noticed a change in this outlook starting around the second half of 2006) and a LNer from John McAdams' class or some other area began posting here under his name. It is much more confusing and brutal to have a "CTer" attack other CTers and there is certainly a pattern of Ben attacking CTers.
I have said from the first day I came here, there are very few real CTers here and this is the conspiracy board! 90% of us Americans believe in a conspiracy of some kind in JFK's murder, so why are we so outnumbered? I'm sure there are a few more possibilities, but to be honest, I don't really care. He is a LNer posing here as a CTer to me.
NOW Walt has NOT jumped in and tried to defend Ben like Ben does for him, but his SILENCE on this claim is DEAFENING! Here is a snippet from Steve SAYING THE SAME THING BEN IS CLAIMING!
“5. Several photographs showing Oswald holding that rifle” (Steve)
“Another damned lie.....The rifle in CE 133A is DIFFERENT than the TSBD rifle.” (Walt—2/4/10)
Walt knows the rifle in the "one and only genuine" (Walt also thinks this photo, CE 133-A, is genuine and he too has FAILED to ever show this was correct) backyard photo is NOT the same as the rifle found in the TSBD. He told me so yesterday!
“Duh...Stupid, why would I present evidence that contradicts my contention. If there was evidence that Oswald OWNED the TSBD rifle I wouldn't take the position that he DID NOT own it. If you could get your head out of your ass, you'd know that I have repeatedly said that I believe that George Demorhenschildt bought the money order and gave it to Lee to order the rifle. If that is true....Then Lee DID NOT own the rifle. There's reasonable doubt that Lee ever had possession of the rifle that was found BURIED BENEATH boxes of books on the sixth floor of the TSBD.” (Walt—2/15/10)
I do point out all of Walt's lies, but I do have to give him credit for maintaining his position on this issue despite him knowing Ben was claiming otherwise. He did NOT alter his thinking of 40 years to side with Ben like Ben does for him!
Still, he has been silent on Ben's claim and lack of cites. Why?
Walt has told Gil and others he will attack anyone who lies about the evidence (from his point of view), but just as Ben gives him a "free pass" he seems to do the same for Ben! Why? IF the truth is the goal as these two guys claim, why do they allow each other to lie to high heaven about the evidence?