Post by Rob Caprio on May 8, 2022 12:54:47 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) said Jack Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) all by himself on Sunday, November 24, 1964, in the basement of the Dallas Police Department (DPD) building. This is one claim made by the WC that we all can agree on since it was captured on LIVE television for all to see. We will continue to explore Ruby’s ties to the DPD and his ease in moving around the building the whole weekend following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and up to his murder of LHO.
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We will pick up where we left off in the previous post—did Fritz really NOT know Ruby? Whether or not Ruby knew Fritz and vice a versa, the bottom line is Ruby felt comfortable enough to try and enter the Homicide Bureau on Friday night (the day of the assassination). The Homicide Bureau is where Captain Fritz’s office was and where LHO was under interrogation. Why would Ruby feel so comfortable doing this if he did NOT know Fritz as claimed?
We know Ruby was there because reporter Victor Robertson, Dallas WFAA radio and television reporter, told us so.
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...known Ruby for approximately two years as operator of the Carousel Club on Commerce Street, Dallas. He met Ruby through Murphy Martin, a former reporter with WFAA who, at that time, was dating a girl employed at the Carousel Club. . . . He recalls seeing Jack Ruby in the third floor hallway of the Police Building sometime possibly between 5 and 7 p.m. on November 22, 1963. Ruby had started in the door of the Robbery and Homicide Division and two police officers pulled him back and did not allow him to enter. (Robertson Exhibit 1)
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He would also say this about Ruby’s mood in a later interview.
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Ruby appeared to be anything but under stress or strain. He seemed happy, jovial, was joking and laughing and more like—oh, any exuberant, interested person, a curious person who just had to see what was going on in his normal, extroverted self. (Robertson Exhibit 2)
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The fact that Jack Ruby tried to enter the Homicide Bureau, where Captain Fritz’s office was located, as LHO was being interrogated had to be somewhat troubling to the WC. They therefore called Victor Robertson before them on July 24, 1964, to ask him more about this. He will be asked if he knew Ruby before November 22, 1963 and he said yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know Jack Ruby before November 22?
Mr. ROBERTSON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When had you first met him?
Mr. ROBERTSON. I am not sure I can give even an approximate date.Considerably prior to February of 1963, but how much before, I don't know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many times had you seen him before February of 1963?
Mr. ROBERTSON. Perhaps a dozen or two.
They then asked him if he had seen Ruby after February 1963 and this interesting question.
Mr. GRIFFIN. After February of 1963, did you have occasion to see Jack Ruby?
Mr. ROBERTSON. Yes. Not frequently. I would see him on the street or up at the city hall or something like that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there anybody that you have confused with Jack Ruby?
Mr. ROBERTSON. No.
Who would Robertson confuse for Jack Ruby? This is an interesting question, but as usual they just left it when he said no. Now on to the incident regarding Ruby trying to enter Captain Fritz’s office.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you able to pinpoint time at all between the time you had your sandwich or hamburger and the time you made that telephone call?
Mr. ROBERTSON. Not in my own mind. Perhaps there is. If it is any help to you, if you have information on time which can go with this, it may narrow it down. It was before the police department changed for the first time their shift on guard at Captain Fritz' door. It was, I am reasonably certain, during the first shift of the two officers.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know the officers who were on guard?
Mr. ROBERTSON. No; I do not. I believe let me stress that word because I may be wrong about this, that it was after the first session of interrogation in Captain Fritz' office. Whether it was while Oswald was upstairs, or after he had been brought back, I am not certain, but I believe it was after the first session of interrogation.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, is there any question in your mind about that man that you did see was Jack Ruby up there on the floor?
Mr. ROBERTSON. No; I have no doubts.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Suppose I told you that we interviewed the police officers who were on guard, and one of them says he recalls a man, who says he recognized Ruby, that he recalls a man who looks like Ruby, but it wasn't Ruby, come up and do what you have previously described to the FBI, and go on. Would that shake your judgment in any way?
Mr. ROBERTSON. No. I don't, of course, claim that I cannot make a mistake. In my Judgment, the man I saw was Jack Ruby. I know no one else who looks like that. Obviously, I could have been mistaken, but I don't believe so.
If only the WC tried this hard to make sure people really saw LHO, huh? He seems pretty sure to me that the man he saw try to enter Captain Fritz’s office was Ruby. Robertson then explains what Ruby was going to do.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Tell us what you think Jack Ruby, the man you think was Jack Ruby, what you recall him doing.
Mr. ROBERTSON. He walked up to the door of Captain Fritz' office and put his hand on the knob and started to open it. He had the door open a few inches and began to step into the room, and the two officers stopped him. I was reasonably certain one of them, or some voice at that time had said, "You can't go in there, Jack." And the man in question, if it was not Jack Ruby, turned around and passed some joking remarks with a couple of people who were there, I don't know who, and went back down the hall toward the elevator.
Then again the WC tried to show that Robertson was wrong instead of entertaining the idea he was right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see him; did you get a full front face view of him?
Mr. ROBERTSON. No. He was in profile.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were you standing in relationship to the homicide door and the main elevator, public elevator?
Mr. ROBERTSON. I was standing almost immediately opposite Captain Fritz' door. Perhaps a matter of 2 feet beyond it toward the pressroom, which is opposite, the opposite direction of the elevators. As this happened, I stepped closer, and ultimately was on the elevator side of Captain Fritz' door about the middle of the hall.
We see despite Robertson only getting a profile view he heard the name “Jack” used by one of the police officers and he was within 2 feet of the door Ruby was trying to enter so he would have had an excellent view of the situation. Robertson would tell someone else about this incident after Ruby shot LHO on Sunday, November 24, 1963.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now on Sunday, November 24, after Ruby shot Oswald, did you report to anybody in your station that you had seen Ruby?
Mr. ROBERTSON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did you tell that to?
Mr. ROBERTSON. To Walter Evans.
This seem like a legitimate sighting to me, but the WC did not take it seriously and did nothing to find out why Jack Ruby would feel comfortable enough to attempt to enter Captain Frtiz’s office like he did.
Ruby was most definitely seen on the third floor in the police building on Friday evening as there are multiple sources to confirm this. Dallas KBOX radio newsman Ronald Jenkins said this in his December 10, 1963 report.
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After seeing Ruby on November 24, 1963 and the photographs, he recalled that on the evening of November 22, 1963 between approximately 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. he saw a man believed to be Ruby on the third floor of the police station. Ruby was milling around in the crowd of press representatives and was alone. (Jenkins Exhibit 1)
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Again, instead of embracing this and seeing where it went, the WC would try and change his mind when he testified before them in a deposition form.
Mr. HUBERT. Now you state in Exhibit No. 1 that you saw Jack Ruby, I believe, on November 22 on the third floor of the Dallas police station between the hours of 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. Did you know Ruby prior to November 22, 1963?
Mr. JENKINS. No; I did not.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever seen him at all?
Mr. JENKINS. No; I hadn't.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know of his existence?
Mr. JENKINS. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Now apparently later you identified Ruby as a man that you had seen on the third floor on November 22, and I ask you now how you identified the man that you saw on the 22d as Jack Ruby whom you did not know on the 22d?
Can anyone show me where this was asked of anyone who identified LHO as the person they saw (i.e. Howard Brennan, Helen Markham, the Davis ladies, Scoggins, etc…) on November 22, 1963, when they had NOT known him prior to that day? What kind of question is this? Do you have to know of or know someone to identify them later on?
Mr. JENKINS. I don't think I ever have said that I saw him for sure and could identify him for sure. It was strictly by recall. I was able to see him in person, I believe it was, on the afternoon of the Oswald shooting. I think that was the 24th…he passed within a few feet of me. He was very familiar, and the face was familiar, and it just seemed to me that I had seen the man on the Friday night previous. This was the first thing that struck me when I did see him, because I had not seen him following the Oswald shooting up until that moment.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you at that time associate him with the man you had seen on the 22d?
Mr. JENKINS. Yes; I did.
Mr. HUBERT. Immediately?
Mr. JENKINS. Well, it was a matter of a few minutes. I was trying to think where I had seen him before, and then it occurred to me that I had seen him in the hallway near the elevator shaft of the third floor on the evening of the assassination.
Why would Jenkins have to IMMEDIATELY associate the man he saw near Captain Fritz’ office door after shooting LHO with the man he saw Friday evening? He sure seems confident it was Ruby he saw in these answers.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you said also that you saw him later that Friday night at the time in the assembly room?
Mr. JENKINS. Yes, sir… I am quite sure it seemed to me it was the same man.
Mr. HUBERT. When you saw him on the 24th under the conditions that you stated and after reflection, did you also think that the Jack Ruby you saw on the 24th was also the man you had seen in the assembly room?
Mr. JENKINS. I was more sure than I was not that this was the same man, but again, I had not seen him before, and this was strictly by recall.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think that the man you saw earlier in the evening on the third floor was the same man that you saw in the assembly room?
Mr. JENKINS. Yes; I think so.
Mr. HUBERT. And you think that Jack Ruby was that man on both occasions?
Mr. JENKINS. In my opinion, it was the same man.
Mr. HUBERT. It might have been?
Mr. JENKINS. In my opinion, it was the same man; yes, sir.
Again, where did we see this intense grilling of witnesses that believed LHO was the man they saw in an effort to make sure they were right? There was an abundance of evidence to corroborate Jenkins’ statement so I don’t know why the WC was so intent on trying to make him back off of what he said he saw.
John Rutledge of the Dallas Morning News was interviewed by Captain O. A. Jones of the DPD on December 5, 1963, and this was the recap of what he said.
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He remembers that before 6:00 p.m. on November 22, 1963 that he was standing by the door leading into the Burglary and Theft Bureau and that he saw Jack Ruby standing real close to some newsmen. Captain Fritz was being interviewed by a group of newsmen. Some newsmen asked who was being interviewed and Rutledge said Ruby answered thusly: "Will-- W-I-L-L, Fritz—F-R-I-T-Z." Mr. Rutledge saw about four officers speak to Ruby during the time of the interview. He also saw Ruby at another time standing near newsmen just outside the door leading to the Forgery Bureau. (CE 2249, p. 14)
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Further confirmation comes of this Ruby sighting from two different detectives from the DPD. Detective August Eberhardt told the FBI that he knew Jack Ruby and his sister, Eva Grant, for about “five or six years” and had been contact with both of them over that time in regards to business.
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On November 22, 1963, Eberhardt was on duty from 3 p.m. to 11 p.m...He recalled seeing Jack Ruby in the hallway on the third floor at about 6 or 7 p.m. and asked him what he was doing there... Ruby told him that he had brought some sandwiches over and was acting as interpreter for some Israeli reporters. Ruby was carrying a notebook and he thinks he had on some kind of a lapel badge such as reporters were wearing... (Eberhardt Exhibit 5026, p. 645)
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Eberhardt would confirm this sighting in his WC testimony.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you have given an interview to Agents Smith and Chapoton, [spelling] C-h-a-p-o-t-o-n, of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on December 20, 1963, and you stated that, when you were on duty sometime between 3 and 11 p.m. on Friday night, November 22, that you recall seeing Jack Ruby on the third floor between 6 and 7 p.m. Will you tell us how you happened to---how you fix this as between 6 and 7 p.m.?
Mr. EBERHARDT. I was working afternoons, usually go to eat at around 5:30 or 6, and I already had eaten when I got back in the office when I seen Jack, and so make it around 7 o'clock.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you actually in the office when you saw Jack?
Mr. EBERHARDT. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did he remain in the office?
Mr. EBERHARDT. Oh, 10 or 15 minutes.
Another Detective that saw Ruby at this time was Roy Standifer, and this is what he said about seeing Jack Ruby at the station on Friday evening. Keep in mind, Detective Standifer knew Jack Ruby for 13 years so the odds of him mistaking Ruby are pretty slim.
Mr. HUBERT. I understand that you did know Jack Ruby?
Mr. STANDIFER. I did know Jack Ruby; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now I understand you did see him on the third floor of the Dallas Police Department on the night of November 22, 1963?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Any question about your recognition of him?
Mr. STANDIFER. No, Sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What did he say, and what did you say?
Mr. STANDIFER. I just spoke to him and said, "Hi, Jack," and he said, "Hi, Sandy."
A lot of times he called me Sandy. I guess it is short for Standifer, I don't know.
There were three or four other detectives around the door. We had our door blocked off to keep the press from using our phones. We had another detective stationed at the door to keep them out, and he knew Ruby and they were talking, of course, and all the noise, and I don't have any idea what they said. I didn't solicit conversation.
Mr. HUBERT. Does anybody else call you Sandy?
Mr. STANDIFER. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How long after you had eaten did you see Ruby?
Mr. STANDIFER. Probably thirty minutes after I came back to my desk I noticed that there was someone standing at the door there, several persons backed up against it, and in our office I was just milling back and forth from my desk to the door.
Mr. HUBERT. And it is that time that you saw Ruby?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. This is on Friday, November 22?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. All this was on the third floor, as a matter of fact, just outside your office, which is the burglary and theft division?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that office near Captain Fritz' office?
Mr. STANDIFER. Directly across the hall.
Mr. HUBERT. Let me ask just one more question. I think, Mr. Standifer, you said that you are most certain about the time that you saw Ruby, because you related it to the time of having your supper, which you said you had in your office and that it is your custom to do so?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That has been your habit for quite a number of years?
Mr. STANDIFER. That is true.
Mr. HUBERT. And has always been at 6:30?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And you saw Ruby about a half hour after beginning to eat your supper?
Mr. STANDIFER. Approximately; yes, sir.
Since Standifer always ate at 6:30 p.m. and he said he saw Ruby (the only person who called him “Sandy”) 30 minutes later this fits the timeframe given by the others. This makes FIVE people (three reporters and two Detectives), but still the WC would say in their Report that, “At least five witnesses recall seeing a man they believe was Ruby . . .”! Unbelievable. Two of the witnesses spoke with the man they said was Ruby so I don’t think belief is the right word. Why was the WC so afraid to admit this? Because it showed the access Ruby had to Fritz’s area of work (Homicide Bureau) in particular and the DPD as a whole in general. The WC would use duplicitous writing to make the time different, “…on the third floor of police headquarters at times they have estimated between 6 and 9 p.m.” when the correct timeframe was between 5 and 7:30 p.m.
This lead the WC to write the following in their Report, “…however, it is not clear that Ruby was present at the Police and Courts Building before 11 p.m. With respect to three of the witnesses, it is doubtful that the man observed was Ruby. Two of those persons had not known Ruby previously . . .” when this hardly true. ONLY one person had NOT known Ruby previously and that was Jenkins. John Rutledge was not asked if he knew Ruby, but if one looks at CE 2249, p. 13, he told WFAA cameraman Jimmy Darnell that Ruby was a “very mean man” and told him about Ruby’s biting off a man’s nose. This shows he had some idea of who Ruby was and what kind of man he had heard he was.
The WC opted to ignore all of this testimony and evidence to take Ruby’s word for it instead.
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Ruby has denied being at the police department Friday night before approximately 11:15 p.m. (WCR, p. 338)
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Just like at Parkland Hospital (PH) the WC took Ruby’s word for it over corroborating witnesses (Seth Kantor and Wilma Tice). Why did Ruby garner so much trust from the WC? Why were LHO’s denials not as convincing to the WC? The only support the WC could find to help out Ruby’s statement came from Officer Clyde Goodson when he told the FBI this in June 1964.
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Goodson...advised that he and Robert B. Counts relieved Officer H. L. Henley at 5:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963, to guard the door to the entrance of the Homicide Bureau...Goodson related that he knew Jack Ruby and he did not see Ruby at any time while he was on duty, nor did Ruby attempt to enter the Homicide Bureau while he was on guard at the entrance...
Goodson related that shortly before 6 p.m. as he recalls, a man fitting the description of Jack Ruby came to the door of the Homicide Bureau and wanted to enter. He told him that only authorized law-enforcement officers could enter and asked him for his identification. He stated the man said he was not a law-enforcement officer and turned and went back down the hall. (Goodson Exhibit 1, p. 8)
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Goodson’s opinion was a solitary one as a number of people would be shown an array of photographs of Jack Ruby standing among the crowd inside the DPD police station after the assassination and he was the ONLY one not to say the man he saw was Jack Ruby (CE 2439, p. 567). The FBI interviewed Andrew Armstrong, Bruce McLean (he gave Ruby scalp massages), Victor Robertson, Gabriel Macias and George Senator. Robertson did say the man in the photographs were Ruby.
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Mr Robertson identified without any qualifications, the individual appearing in the right corner of photographs 1 and 2, attired in a business suit and wearing glasses, as Jack Ruby. (CE 2439, p. 567)
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The WC decided to take Ruby’s word for it instead of all these people’s statements. One must keep in mind that at this time Ruby was a convicted MURDERER in the process of appealing his DEATH SENTENCE! The cornerstone of his defense was that he exercised no premeditation and that there was NO conspiracy involved in the murder of LHO. Despite all of this the WCR wrote the following about where Ruby was between 5 and 7:30 p.m.
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Ruby probably arrived a second time at his sister's home close to 5:30 p.m. and remained for about two hours. (WCR, p. 337)
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Ruby had NO alibi for this visit to his sister’s home in the evening as she testified to this before the WC.
Mr. BURLESON. All right. In reference to the next paragraph, it says, "Mrs. Grant recalled that on the day of the President's assassination, November 22, 1963, Jack Ruby telephoned her at least eight times and made three personal visits to her apartment,"-- what correction or change do you want to make?
Mrs. GRANT. I think he came twice one time early in the day and once later in the afternoon with the groceries.
Mr. BURLESON. So, where you said "three times"----
Mrs. GRANT. It was only two times.
Mr. BURLESON. You think now that it was only two times?
Mrs. GRANT. Yes.
This testimony clearly shows he came by just twice and then it becomes very shaky about when he did come and when he stayed to in this section of her testimony.
Mr. BURLESON. Now, directing your attention to the first complete paragraph on page 4, which says, "Mrs. Grant informed that Jack Ruby was in her apartment on November 22d, 1963, from approximately 5:30 p.m. until approximately 7:15 p.m. and then he dressed and went to the synagogue for prayers." What correction or addition do you want to make to that?
Mrs. GRANT. It was much earlier than 5:30--more like 4:30 at that time. You see, he was there earlier in the day, but I don't remember whether it was much earlier--I think he came before he even went to the newspaper office.
Mr. BURLESON. "Somewhere around 4:30" should be "around 5:30"?
Mrs. GRANT. Yes; and he went home to dress. You see, he didn't live at my place.
Mr. BURLESON. All right; 7:15 is about right?
Mrs. GRANT. That's right.
Clearly it isn’t right since so many others saw him in the police station. Also, she said it was earlier than 5:30 that he came by, but the WC lawyer just ignores this and says, “Somewhere around 4:30 SHOULD BE around 5:30?” They just kept making it whatever they wanted. To counter Eva Grant the WC had an FBI polygraph expert, Bell Herndon, who testified to Ruby changing when he was asked about going to the police station.
Mr. SPECTER. Will movement or speaking cause a variation in the tracings ordinarily, Mr. Herndon?
Mr. HERNDON. Yes…On question No. 2, Mr. Ruby did show a significant drop in the relative blood pressure. This question pertained to: "Did you go to the Dallas police station at any time on Friday November 22, 1963, before you went to the synagogue? I asked him about this question later when he responded "No," and I noticed a physiological change. ..Due to the nature of this change, however, it is possible that it was caused by a body motion that I failed to detect during the actual response.
A “significant drop in blood pressure” could indicate a lie, but Herndon would not say this as this ran counter what was expected. So he claimed to miss a “body motion” instead. We know Ruby was at the station on Saturday and testimony was given that showed he planned on being there for the transfer. This testimony came via Claud Hallmark.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I think you have mentioned in your report here on the first page that he was speaking to someone and told that person that his clubs would be closed, and then the conversation, as you put it here, switched to some remarks concerning the transfer of Oswald. Can you elaborate on that and tell us in more detail specifically what type of remarks those were?
Mr. HALLMARK. He was--he told this person who he had established as being Ken, that he had been to the city hall and was following this thing, and he had information to the effect that the transfer was to take place that afternoon I got the impression that he had some information and possibly wanted corroboration. In other words, he just was not 100 percent sure, but he had--he thought he knew that the thing was to take place then, but was not 100 percent sure.
Mr. HUBERT. What radio station would that be?
Mr. HALLMARK. I believe that would be Ken Dowe with KLIF. This I think I found out since the trial.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you make the statement here that one of the remarks he made was "You know I'll be there". Do you recall in what context that was, I mean, what had immediately preceded that, so that we might be able to gain some light as to where he said he would be?
Mr. HALLMARK. He planned to be on the scene of the transfer.
Mr. HUBERT. That's what you gathered from that remark?
Mr. HALLMARK. Yes.
And this was borne out by the fact he was there and shot LHO on Sunday morning. This statement by Ruby to Ken Dow of KLIF, and overheard by garage manager Claud Hallmark, alone makes a mockery of the claim that Ruby acted on the spur of the moment. Furthermore, we have also seen previously in other posts that even more evidence that shows Ruby was actually stalking LHO over the weekend of the assassination and the WC had access to this evidence as well. The WC would deny Ruby’s presence at the police station on Saturday as well despite credible testimony like this given by Forth Worth newspaperman Thayer Waldo.
Mr. HUBERT. I had reference really to a meeting on the 23d, the day before Saturday--but apparently you don't classify that as a meeting. I think you saw the man that you ultimately identified as Ruby on the third floor or in the police building on Saturday?
Mr. WALDO. That is correct, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you first see him?
Mr. WALDO. I would say 5 or 10 minutes before he came up and gave me a card. I noticed he was passing out cards and saying something to people…as he gave out the card, giving the man a hearty slap on the arm...I could catch the rather strident tone of his voice, and when he came up to me, although he did not behave in as gratuitously familiar a way in the sense of either clutching at my clothing or patting me, there was still a sort of overdone ingratiating manner as he gave out this card and said..."You're one of the boys, aren't you? Here's my card...Ask anybody who Jack Ruby is...I want all of you boys to come over to my place...and have a drink on me..." That's approximately it.
Mr. HUBERT. About what time was that?
Mr. WALDO. Approximately four o'clock, I would say...
Mr. HUBERT. ... And you are quite certain that the man who did hand you this card and the man you ultimately came to know as Jack Ruby were the same person?
Mr. WALDO. To the very best of my belief and knowledge...As I have stated, when he handed me the card, he identified himself verbally as Jack Ruby.
To believe this was NOT Ruby one would have to believe that someone else had cards printed up with the name Jack Ruby on them and went to the police station to hand them out! The WC would use the same tired old tactic of “no one that said they saw Ruby on Saturday had known him previously:” as if that is a requirement to notice someone and then later identify them, huh? If it is, then how could the WC take the words of witnesses regarding LHO when they had NOT previously known him?
Thus, the WC wrote the following about the Saturday sighting.
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The Warren Commission (WC) said Jack Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) all by himself on Sunday, November 24, 1964, in the basement of the Dallas Police Department (DPD) building. This is one claim made by the WC that we all can agree on since it was captured on LIVE television for all to see. We will continue to explore Ruby’s ties to the DPD and his ease in moving around the building the whole weekend following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and up to his murder of LHO.
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We will pick up where we left off in the previous post—did Fritz really NOT know Ruby? Whether or not Ruby knew Fritz and vice a versa, the bottom line is Ruby felt comfortable enough to try and enter the Homicide Bureau on Friday night (the day of the assassination). The Homicide Bureau is where Captain Fritz’s office was and where LHO was under interrogation. Why would Ruby feel so comfortable doing this if he did NOT know Fritz as claimed?
We know Ruby was there because reporter Victor Robertson, Dallas WFAA radio and television reporter, told us so.
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...known Ruby for approximately two years as operator of the Carousel Club on Commerce Street, Dallas. He met Ruby through Murphy Martin, a former reporter with WFAA who, at that time, was dating a girl employed at the Carousel Club. . . . He recalls seeing Jack Ruby in the third floor hallway of the Police Building sometime possibly between 5 and 7 p.m. on November 22, 1963. Ruby had started in the door of the Robbery and Homicide Division and two police officers pulled him back and did not allow him to enter. (Robertson Exhibit 1)
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He would also say this about Ruby’s mood in a later interview.
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Ruby appeared to be anything but under stress or strain. He seemed happy, jovial, was joking and laughing and more like—oh, any exuberant, interested person, a curious person who just had to see what was going on in his normal, extroverted self. (Robertson Exhibit 2)
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The fact that Jack Ruby tried to enter the Homicide Bureau, where Captain Fritz’s office was located, as LHO was being interrogated had to be somewhat troubling to the WC. They therefore called Victor Robertson before them on July 24, 1964, to ask him more about this. He will be asked if he knew Ruby before November 22, 1963 and he said yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know Jack Ruby before November 22?
Mr. ROBERTSON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When had you first met him?
Mr. ROBERTSON. I am not sure I can give even an approximate date.Considerably prior to February of 1963, but how much before, I don't know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many times had you seen him before February of 1963?
Mr. ROBERTSON. Perhaps a dozen or two.
They then asked him if he had seen Ruby after February 1963 and this interesting question.
Mr. GRIFFIN. After February of 1963, did you have occasion to see Jack Ruby?
Mr. ROBERTSON. Yes. Not frequently. I would see him on the street or up at the city hall or something like that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there anybody that you have confused with Jack Ruby?
Mr. ROBERTSON. No.
Who would Robertson confuse for Jack Ruby? This is an interesting question, but as usual they just left it when he said no. Now on to the incident regarding Ruby trying to enter Captain Fritz’s office.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you able to pinpoint time at all between the time you had your sandwich or hamburger and the time you made that telephone call?
Mr. ROBERTSON. Not in my own mind. Perhaps there is. If it is any help to you, if you have information on time which can go with this, it may narrow it down. It was before the police department changed for the first time their shift on guard at Captain Fritz' door. It was, I am reasonably certain, during the first shift of the two officers.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know the officers who were on guard?
Mr. ROBERTSON. No; I do not. I believe let me stress that word because I may be wrong about this, that it was after the first session of interrogation in Captain Fritz' office. Whether it was while Oswald was upstairs, or after he had been brought back, I am not certain, but I believe it was after the first session of interrogation.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, is there any question in your mind about that man that you did see was Jack Ruby up there on the floor?
Mr. ROBERTSON. No; I have no doubts.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Suppose I told you that we interviewed the police officers who were on guard, and one of them says he recalls a man, who says he recognized Ruby, that he recalls a man who looks like Ruby, but it wasn't Ruby, come up and do what you have previously described to the FBI, and go on. Would that shake your judgment in any way?
Mr. ROBERTSON. No. I don't, of course, claim that I cannot make a mistake. In my Judgment, the man I saw was Jack Ruby. I know no one else who looks like that. Obviously, I could have been mistaken, but I don't believe so.
If only the WC tried this hard to make sure people really saw LHO, huh? He seems pretty sure to me that the man he saw try to enter Captain Fritz’s office was Ruby. Robertson then explains what Ruby was going to do.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Tell us what you think Jack Ruby, the man you think was Jack Ruby, what you recall him doing.
Mr. ROBERTSON. He walked up to the door of Captain Fritz' office and put his hand on the knob and started to open it. He had the door open a few inches and began to step into the room, and the two officers stopped him. I was reasonably certain one of them, or some voice at that time had said, "You can't go in there, Jack." And the man in question, if it was not Jack Ruby, turned around and passed some joking remarks with a couple of people who were there, I don't know who, and went back down the hall toward the elevator.
Then again the WC tried to show that Robertson was wrong instead of entertaining the idea he was right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see him; did you get a full front face view of him?
Mr. ROBERTSON. No. He was in profile.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were you standing in relationship to the homicide door and the main elevator, public elevator?
Mr. ROBERTSON. I was standing almost immediately opposite Captain Fritz' door. Perhaps a matter of 2 feet beyond it toward the pressroom, which is opposite, the opposite direction of the elevators. As this happened, I stepped closer, and ultimately was on the elevator side of Captain Fritz' door about the middle of the hall.
We see despite Robertson only getting a profile view he heard the name “Jack” used by one of the police officers and he was within 2 feet of the door Ruby was trying to enter so he would have had an excellent view of the situation. Robertson would tell someone else about this incident after Ruby shot LHO on Sunday, November 24, 1963.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now on Sunday, November 24, after Ruby shot Oswald, did you report to anybody in your station that you had seen Ruby?
Mr. ROBERTSON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did you tell that to?
Mr. ROBERTSON. To Walter Evans.
This seem like a legitimate sighting to me, but the WC did not take it seriously and did nothing to find out why Jack Ruby would feel comfortable enough to attempt to enter Captain Frtiz’s office like he did.
Ruby was most definitely seen on the third floor in the police building on Friday evening as there are multiple sources to confirm this. Dallas KBOX radio newsman Ronald Jenkins said this in his December 10, 1963 report.
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After seeing Ruby on November 24, 1963 and the photographs, he recalled that on the evening of November 22, 1963 between approximately 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. he saw a man believed to be Ruby on the third floor of the police station. Ruby was milling around in the crowd of press representatives and was alone. (Jenkins Exhibit 1)
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Again, instead of embracing this and seeing where it went, the WC would try and change his mind when he testified before them in a deposition form.
Mr. HUBERT. Now you state in Exhibit No. 1 that you saw Jack Ruby, I believe, on November 22 on the third floor of the Dallas police station between the hours of 5:30 to 7:30 p.m. Did you know Ruby prior to November 22, 1963?
Mr. JENKINS. No; I did not.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever seen him at all?
Mr. JENKINS. No; I hadn't.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know of his existence?
Mr. JENKINS. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Now apparently later you identified Ruby as a man that you had seen on the third floor on November 22, and I ask you now how you identified the man that you saw on the 22d as Jack Ruby whom you did not know on the 22d?
Can anyone show me where this was asked of anyone who identified LHO as the person they saw (i.e. Howard Brennan, Helen Markham, the Davis ladies, Scoggins, etc…) on November 22, 1963, when they had NOT known him prior to that day? What kind of question is this? Do you have to know of or know someone to identify them later on?
Mr. JENKINS. I don't think I ever have said that I saw him for sure and could identify him for sure. It was strictly by recall. I was able to see him in person, I believe it was, on the afternoon of the Oswald shooting. I think that was the 24th…he passed within a few feet of me. He was very familiar, and the face was familiar, and it just seemed to me that I had seen the man on the Friday night previous. This was the first thing that struck me when I did see him, because I had not seen him following the Oswald shooting up until that moment.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you at that time associate him with the man you had seen on the 22d?
Mr. JENKINS. Yes; I did.
Mr. HUBERT. Immediately?
Mr. JENKINS. Well, it was a matter of a few minutes. I was trying to think where I had seen him before, and then it occurred to me that I had seen him in the hallway near the elevator shaft of the third floor on the evening of the assassination.
Why would Jenkins have to IMMEDIATELY associate the man he saw near Captain Fritz’ office door after shooting LHO with the man he saw Friday evening? He sure seems confident it was Ruby he saw in these answers.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you said also that you saw him later that Friday night at the time in the assembly room?
Mr. JENKINS. Yes, sir… I am quite sure it seemed to me it was the same man.
Mr. HUBERT. When you saw him on the 24th under the conditions that you stated and after reflection, did you also think that the Jack Ruby you saw on the 24th was also the man you had seen in the assembly room?
Mr. JENKINS. I was more sure than I was not that this was the same man, but again, I had not seen him before, and this was strictly by recall.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think that the man you saw earlier in the evening on the third floor was the same man that you saw in the assembly room?
Mr. JENKINS. Yes; I think so.
Mr. HUBERT. And you think that Jack Ruby was that man on both occasions?
Mr. JENKINS. In my opinion, it was the same man.
Mr. HUBERT. It might have been?
Mr. JENKINS. In my opinion, it was the same man; yes, sir.
Again, where did we see this intense grilling of witnesses that believed LHO was the man they saw in an effort to make sure they were right? There was an abundance of evidence to corroborate Jenkins’ statement so I don’t know why the WC was so intent on trying to make him back off of what he said he saw.
John Rutledge of the Dallas Morning News was interviewed by Captain O. A. Jones of the DPD on December 5, 1963, and this was the recap of what he said.
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He remembers that before 6:00 p.m. on November 22, 1963 that he was standing by the door leading into the Burglary and Theft Bureau and that he saw Jack Ruby standing real close to some newsmen. Captain Fritz was being interviewed by a group of newsmen. Some newsmen asked who was being interviewed and Rutledge said Ruby answered thusly: "Will-- W-I-L-L, Fritz—F-R-I-T-Z." Mr. Rutledge saw about four officers speak to Ruby during the time of the interview. He also saw Ruby at another time standing near newsmen just outside the door leading to the Forgery Bureau. (CE 2249, p. 14)
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Further confirmation comes of this Ruby sighting from two different detectives from the DPD. Detective August Eberhardt told the FBI that he knew Jack Ruby and his sister, Eva Grant, for about “five or six years” and had been contact with both of them over that time in regards to business.
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On November 22, 1963, Eberhardt was on duty from 3 p.m. to 11 p.m...He recalled seeing Jack Ruby in the hallway on the third floor at about 6 or 7 p.m. and asked him what he was doing there... Ruby told him that he had brought some sandwiches over and was acting as interpreter for some Israeli reporters. Ruby was carrying a notebook and he thinks he had on some kind of a lapel badge such as reporters were wearing... (Eberhardt Exhibit 5026, p. 645)
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Eberhardt would confirm this sighting in his WC testimony.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you have given an interview to Agents Smith and Chapoton, [spelling] C-h-a-p-o-t-o-n, of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on December 20, 1963, and you stated that, when you were on duty sometime between 3 and 11 p.m. on Friday night, November 22, that you recall seeing Jack Ruby on the third floor between 6 and 7 p.m. Will you tell us how you happened to---how you fix this as between 6 and 7 p.m.?
Mr. EBERHARDT. I was working afternoons, usually go to eat at around 5:30 or 6, and I already had eaten when I got back in the office when I seen Jack, and so make it around 7 o'clock.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you actually in the office when you saw Jack?
Mr. EBERHARDT. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did he remain in the office?
Mr. EBERHARDT. Oh, 10 or 15 minutes.
Another Detective that saw Ruby at this time was Roy Standifer, and this is what he said about seeing Jack Ruby at the station on Friday evening. Keep in mind, Detective Standifer knew Jack Ruby for 13 years so the odds of him mistaking Ruby are pretty slim.
Mr. HUBERT. I understand that you did know Jack Ruby?
Mr. STANDIFER. I did know Jack Ruby; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now I understand you did see him on the third floor of the Dallas Police Department on the night of November 22, 1963?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Any question about your recognition of him?
Mr. STANDIFER. No, Sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What did he say, and what did you say?
Mr. STANDIFER. I just spoke to him and said, "Hi, Jack," and he said, "Hi, Sandy."
A lot of times he called me Sandy. I guess it is short for Standifer, I don't know.
There were three or four other detectives around the door. We had our door blocked off to keep the press from using our phones. We had another detective stationed at the door to keep them out, and he knew Ruby and they were talking, of course, and all the noise, and I don't have any idea what they said. I didn't solicit conversation.
Mr. HUBERT. Does anybody else call you Sandy?
Mr. STANDIFER. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How long after you had eaten did you see Ruby?
Mr. STANDIFER. Probably thirty minutes after I came back to my desk I noticed that there was someone standing at the door there, several persons backed up against it, and in our office I was just milling back and forth from my desk to the door.
Mr. HUBERT. And it is that time that you saw Ruby?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. This is on Friday, November 22?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. All this was on the third floor, as a matter of fact, just outside your office, which is the burglary and theft division?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that office near Captain Fritz' office?
Mr. STANDIFER. Directly across the hall.
Mr. HUBERT. Let me ask just one more question. I think, Mr. Standifer, you said that you are most certain about the time that you saw Ruby, because you related it to the time of having your supper, which you said you had in your office and that it is your custom to do so?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That has been your habit for quite a number of years?
Mr. STANDIFER. That is true.
Mr. HUBERT. And has always been at 6:30?
Mr. STANDIFER. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And you saw Ruby about a half hour after beginning to eat your supper?
Mr. STANDIFER. Approximately; yes, sir.
Since Standifer always ate at 6:30 p.m. and he said he saw Ruby (the only person who called him “Sandy”) 30 minutes later this fits the timeframe given by the others. This makes FIVE people (three reporters and two Detectives), but still the WC would say in their Report that, “At least five witnesses recall seeing a man they believe was Ruby . . .”! Unbelievable. Two of the witnesses spoke with the man they said was Ruby so I don’t think belief is the right word. Why was the WC so afraid to admit this? Because it showed the access Ruby had to Fritz’s area of work (Homicide Bureau) in particular and the DPD as a whole in general. The WC would use duplicitous writing to make the time different, “…on the third floor of police headquarters at times they have estimated between 6 and 9 p.m.” when the correct timeframe was between 5 and 7:30 p.m.
This lead the WC to write the following in their Report, “…however, it is not clear that Ruby was present at the Police and Courts Building before 11 p.m. With respect to three of the witnesses, it is doubtful that the man observed was Ruby. Two of those persons had not known Ruby previously . . .” when this hardly true. ONLY one person had NOT known Ruby previously and that was Jenkins. John Rutledge was not asked if he knew Ruby, but if one looks at CE 2249, p. 13, he told WFAA cameraman Jimmy Darnell that Ruby was a “very mean man” and told him about Ruby’s biting off a man’s nose. This shows he had some idea of who Ruby was and what kind of man he had heard he was.
The WC opted to ignore all of this testimony and evidence to take Ruby’s word for it instead.
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Just like at Parkland Hospital (PH) the WC took Ruby’s word for it over corroborating witnesses (Seth Kantor and Wilma Tice). Why did Ruby garner so much trust from the WC? Why were LHO’s denials not as convincing to the WC? The only support the WC could find to help out Ruby’s statement came from Officer Clyde Goodson when he told the FBI this in June 1964.
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Goodson...advised that he and Robert B. Counts relieved Officer H. L. Henley at 5:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963, to guard the door to the entrance of the Homicide Bureau...Goodson related that he knew Jack Ruby and he did not see Ruby at any time while he was on duty, nor did Ruby attempt to enter the Homicide Bureau while he was on guard at the entrance...
Goodson related that shortly before 6 p.m. as he recalls, a man fitting the description of Jack Ruby came to the door of the Homicide Bureau and wanted to enter. He told him that only authorized law-enforcement officers could enter and asked him for his identification. He stated the man said he was not a law-enforcement officer and turned and went back down the hall. (Goodson Exhibit 1, p. 8)
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Goodson’s opinion was a solitary one as a number of people would be shown an array of photographs of Jack Ruby standing among the crowd inside the DPD police station after the assassination and he was the ONLY one not to say the man he saw was Jack Ruby (CE 2439, p. 567). The FBI interviewed Andrew Armstrong, Bruce McLean (he gave Ruby scalp massages), Victor Robertson, Gabriel Macias and George Senator. Robertson did say the man in the photographs were Ruby.
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Mr Robertson identified without any qualifications, the individual appearing in the right corner of photographs 1 and 2, attired in a business suit and wearing glasses, as Jack Ruby. (CE 2439, p. 567)
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The WC decided to take Ruby’s word for it instead of all these people’s statements. One must keep in mind that at this time Ruby was a convicted MURDERER in the process of appealing his DEATH SENTENCE! The cornerstone of his defense was that he exercised no premeditation and that there was NO conspiracy involved in the murder of LHO. Despite all of this the WCR wrote the following about where Ruby was between 5 and 7:30 p.m.
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Ruby probably arrived a second time at his sister's home close to 5:30 p.m. and remained for about two hours. (WCR, p. 337)
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Ruby had NO alibi for this visit to his sister’s home in the evening as she testified to this before the WC.
Mr. BURLESON. All right. In reference to the next paragraph, it says, "Mrs. Grant recalled that on the day of the President's assassination, November 22, 1963, Jack Ruby telephoned her at least eight times and made three personal visits to her apartment,"-- what correction or change do you want to make?
Mrs. GRANT. I think he came twice one time early in the day and once later in the afternoon with the groceries.
Mr. BURLESON. So, where you said "three times"----
Mrs. GRANT. It was only two times.
Mr. BURLESON. You think now that it was only two times?
Mrs. GRANT. Yes.
This testimony clearly shows he came by just twice and then it becomes very shaky about when he did come and when he stayed to in this section of her testimony.
Mr. BURLESON. Now, directing your attention to the first complete paragraph on page 4, which says, "Mrs. Grant informed that Jack Ruby was in her apartment on November 22d, 1963, from approximately 5:30 p.m. until approximately 7:15 p.m. and then he dressed and went to the synagogue for prayers." What correction or addition do you want to make to that?
Mrs. GRANT. It was much earlier than 5:30--more like 4:30 at that time. You see, he was there earlier in the day, but I don't remember whether it was much earlier--I think he came before he even went to the newspaper office.
Mr. BURLESON. "Somewhere around 4:30" should be "around 5:30"?
Mrs. GRANT. Yes; and he went home to dress. You see, he didn't live at my place.
Mr. BURLESON. All right; 7:15 is about right?
Mrs. GRANT. That's right.
Clearly it isn’t right since so many others saw him in the police station. Also, she said it was earlier than 5:30 that he came by, but the WC lawyer just ignores this and says, “Somewhere around 4:30 SHOULD BE around 5:30?” They just kept making it whatever they wanted. To counter Eva Grant the WC had an FBI polygraph expert, Bell Herndon, who testified to Ruby changing when he was asked about going to the police station.
Mr. SPECTER. Will movement or speaking cause a variation in the tracings ordinarily, Mr. Herndon?
Mr. HERNDON. Yes…On question No. 2, Mr. Ruby did show a significant drop in the relative blood pressure. This question pertained to: "Did you go to the Dallas police station at any time on Friday November 22, 1963, before you went to the synagogue? I asked him about this question later when he responded "No," and I noticed a physiological change. ..Due to the nature of this change, however, it is possible that it was caused by a body motion that I failed to detect during the actual response.
A “significant drop in blood pressure” could indicate a lie, but Herndon would not say this as this ran counter what was expected. So he claimed to miss a “body motion” instead. We know Ruby was at the station on Saturday and testimony was given that showed he planned on being there for the transfer. This testimony came via Claud Hallmark.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, I think you have mentioned in your report here on the first page that he was speaking to someone and told that person that his clubs would be closed, and then the conversation, as you put it here, switched to some remarks concerning the transfer of Oswald. Can you elaborate on that and tell us in more detail specifically what type of remarks those were?
Mr. HALLMARK. He was--he told this person who he had established as being Ken, that he had been to the city hall and was following this thing, and he had information to the effect that the transfer was to take place that afternoon I got the impression that he had some information and possibly wanted corroboration. In other words, he just was not 100 percent sure, but he had--he thought he knew that the thing was to take place then, but was not 100 percent sure.
Mr. HUBERT. What radio station would that be?
Mr. HALLMARK. I believe that would be Ken Dowe with KLIF. This I think I found out since the trial.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you make the statement here that one of the remarks he made was "You know I'll be there". Do you recall in what context that was, I mean, what had immediately preceded that, so that we might be able to gain some light as to where he said he would be?
Mr. HALLMARK. He planned to be on the scene of the transfer.
Mr. HUBERT. That's what you gathered from that remark?
Mr. HALLMARK. Yes.
And this was borne out by the fact he was there and shot LHO on Sunday morning. This statement by Ruby to Ken Dow of KLIF, and overheard by garage manager Claud Hallmark, alone makes a mockery of the claim that Ruby acted on the spur of the moment. Furthermore, we have also seen previously in other posts that even more evidence that shows Ruby was actually stalking LHO over the weekend of the assassination and the WC had access to this evidence as well. The WC would deny Ruby’s presence at the police station on Saturday as well despite credible testimony like this given by Forth Worth newspaperman Thayer Waldo.
Mr. HUBERT. I had reference really to a meeting on the 23d, the day before Saturday--but apparently you don't classify that as a meeting. I think you saw the man that you ultimately identified as Ruby on the third floor or in the police building on Saturday?
Mr. WALDO. That is correct, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you first see him?
Mr. WALDO. I would say 5 or 10 minutes before he came up and gave me a card. I noticed he was passing out cards and saying something to people…as he gave out the card, giving the man a hearty slap on the arm...I could catch the rather strident tone of his voice, and when he came up to me, although he did not behave in as gratuitously familiar a way in the sense of either clutching at my clothing or patting me, there was still a sort of overdone ingratiating manner as he gave out this card and said..."You're one of the boys, aren't you? Here's my card...Ask anybody who Jack Ruby is...I want all of you boys to come over to my place...and have a drink on me..." That's approximately it.
Mr. HUBERT. About what time was that?
Mr. WALDO. Approximately four o'clock, I would say...
Mr. HUBERT. ... And you are quite certain that the man who did hand you this card and the man you ultimately came to know as Jack Ruby were the same person?
Mr. WALDO. To the very best of my belief and knowledge...As I have stated, when he handed me the card, he identified himself verbally as Jack Ruby.
To believe this was NOT Ruby one would have to believe that someone else had cards printed up with the name Jack Ruby on them and went to the police station to hand them out! The WC would use the same tired old tactic of “no one that said they saw Ruby on Saturday had known him previously:” as if that is a requirement to notice someone and then later identify them, huh? If it is, then how could the WC take the words of witnesses regarding LHO when they had NOT previously known him?
Thus, the WC wrote the following about the Saturday sighting.
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