Post by Rob Caprio on May 29, 2022 16:59:32 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) said Jack Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) on November 24, 1963, but did he? This will be one of those posts that will ask you to broaden your thinking patterns in regard to what you think you know about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and the subsequent killing of his alleged assassin.
This post will look at something that I never even considered myself in thirty-plus years of studying this case. Keep an open mind and then reach your own decision. Please try to think outside the box here as many people are shot on television and live to tell about it.
Did Ruby actually shoot LHO as we have been told for over fifty-eight years? What do you think?
[Note: This is an extended part that will include some comments and testimony by the doctor who worked on LHO after he was shot.]
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After he was allegedly shot by Jack Ruby, LHO was taken ironically to the same hospital JFK had been taken to—Parkland Hospital (PH). He would be attended to by Dr. George Shires and he would write the following about his observations of LHO’s injuries.
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Dr. Shires.--The surgery performed on Oswald, who had been shot in the upper abdomen and CHEST...Dr. Shires has said that on previous inspection an ENTRANCE wound over the left lower lateral chest edge was revealed and an exit was identified by subcutaneous palpation of the bullet over the right lower lateral chest cage. (Commission Document 374, p. 14) (Emphasis added)
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This clearly shows us that TWO wounds were present on LHO, but how can this be possible when he was ONLY shot once per the WC? This is what the WC wrote in their Report (WCR).
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After Oswald had been moved about 10 feet from the door of the jail office, Jack Ruby passed between a newsman and a detective at the edge of the straining crowd on the Main Street ramp. With his right hand extended and holding a .38 caliber revolver, Ruby stepped quickly forward and fired a SINGLE FATAL BULLET into Oswald’s ABDOMEN. (WCR, p. 216) (Emphasis added)
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This shows us that the WC said he was shot ONCE and it was in the abdomen, thus, why was there a wound in the CHEST area at all? When Dr. Shires was called by the WC they did NOT even seem interested in the issue as he had to ask them if they wanted to discuss this or not!
Mr. SPECTER - Well, fine, that concludes the deposition, thank you very much, Dr. Shires.
Dr. SHIRES - Are you interested in Oswald---that's my only other question?
Mr. SPECTER - Well, let's talk about it a little off the record.
(Discussion between Counsel Specter and witness Dr. Shires off the record at this point.)
Mr. SPECTER - Let's go back on the record. Dr. Shires, before concluding the deposition, permit me to ask you just a few additional questions about care for Lee Harvey Oswald.
Why were the WC NOT interested in the issue of LHO’s treatment? Also, what happened to the bullet taken from LHO?
Mr. SPECTER - Have you ever been interviewed by any other representative of the Federal Government before today?
Dr. SHIRES - No; not in person. I discussed over the phone with the FBI--- well, that was with regard to Oswald. I discussed over the phone what happened to the bullet that was taken from Oswald, but not with regard to the President or the Governor---no.
What did happen to this bullet? Does anyone know anything about this bullet? Finally Dr. Shires is allowed to briefly speak about the treatment of LHO before the WC.
Commission Exhibit (CE) 392:
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Mr. SPECTER - First of all, I again show you Commission Exhibit No. 392, the last two pages which purport to he an operative record of Parkland Memorial Hospital on November 24, 1963, concerning treatment of Mr. Oswald, with you listed as the surgeon, and I'll ask you to take a look at these two sheets and tell us whether or not that is a report which you prepared on treatment of Mr. Oswald?
Dr. SHIRES - Yes, it is.
Mr. SPECTER - Will you outline in a very general way what his condition was when you first saw him?
Dr. SHIRES - When he was first seen in the emergency room, he was unconscious, without blood pressure or pulse, but with an audible heart beat, and attempts, feeble though they were, attempts in respiration. There was an entrance wound over the left lower chest and the bullet could be felt subcutaneously over the lower chest lateral projecting this trajectory through the body and looking at his general condition, it was fairly obvious that the bullet had transgressed virtually every major organ and vessel in the abdominal cavity, which later proved to be the case.
Here we see the same thing being said—an ENTRANCE wound over the LEFT LOWER CHEST area. I thought he was shot just in the abdomen. True, the abdomen and chest are close together in medical terms, but why are they using the word “chest” if it was not in the chest area? What a lucky shot too by Ruby as it hit "virtually every major organ" in LHO. I don't remember the shot being in an UPWARD direction from Bob Jackson's picture or television replays (via YouTube), so how did this happen?
Also, we have seen the comment by Dr. Shires earlier that he had a wound in BOTH areas. How can this be when he was ONLY shot once per the WC?
Mr. SPECTER - Did you come close to saving him, in the vernacular---in lay terms?
Dr. SHIRES - There has never been recorded in medical literature recovery from a wound like this. There was too much blood lost too fast. Had the injury occurred fight outside the operating room, it might have been possible to reduce the period of anoxia that comes from overwhelming blood loss like this, sufficiently to have corrected it. We did control all the bleeding points with a lot of difficulty, finally all bleeding points were controlled and this was a mortal wound--there was no question about that.
Here Dr. Shires said he could NOT have been saved because there had been “too much blood loss too fast”, but we have seen two witnesses who said they saw NO blood loss from LHO after Jack Ruby supposedly shot him? How can this be?
When I first started this topic I thought it was a reach by some conspiracy-minded people, but I have to tell you I am quickly changing my mind. Look at the damage this “one” bullet did to LHO
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www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0024a.gif
The bullet pathway was then identified as having shattered the upper medial surface of the spleen, then entered the retroperitoneal area where there was a there was a large retroperitoneal hematoma in the area of the pancreas. Following this, bleeding was seen coming from the right side, and upon inspection there was seen to be an exit to the right through the inferior vena cava, thence through the superior pole of the right kidney, the lower portion of the right lobe of the liver, and into the right lateral body wall. (CE 392, p. 21)
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0024a.htm
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This was a well-placed shot that did maximum damage to quite a few major organs. These injuries caused “overwhelming blood loss” according to Dr. Shires, and yet, NO blood was seen at the time of the shooting. How does that work?
Can any WC defender tell me what happened to the bullet taken from LHO (it was given to Nurse Audrey Bell to be given to the authorities)? Since she was never called by the WC I don’t know who she gave it to. Also, can any WC defender show me some ballistic evidence matching this bullet to Jack Ruby’s .38 revolver? Or that he was given a paraffin test? And if so, what the results were? Finally, did they check his jacket to see if it had blood splatter on it?
I was tentative to say the evidence sunk the WC’s conclusion in the first part of this topic, but I am getting a little closer to thinking that as the evidence for showing Ruby shot LHO is really not available. The best way to go back to our original thinking would be for the WC defenders to come forward with some evidence to show Jack Ruby did indeed shoot LHO. Otherwise, I think perhaps as far-fetched as it seems the story of Jack Ruby shooting LHO may be sunk. What do you think?
doyouremember.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/jack-ruby-shoots-lee-harvey-oswald.jpg
The Warren Commission (WC) said Jack Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) on November 24, 1963, but did he? This will be one of those posts that will ask you to broaden your thinking patterns in regard to what you think you know about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and the subsequent killing of his alleged assassin.
This post will look at something that I never even considered myself in thirty-plus years of studying this case. Keep an open mind and then reach your own decision. Please try to think outside the box here as many people are shot on television and live to tell about it.
Did Ruby actually shoot LHO as we have been told for over fifty-eight years? What do you think?
[Note: This is an extended part that will include some comments and testimony by the doctor who worked on LHO after he was shot.]
*****************************************
After he was allegedly shot by Jack Ruby, LHO was taken ironically to the same hospital JFK had been taken to—Parkland Hospital (PH). He would be attended to by Dr. George Shires and he would write the following about his observations of LHO’s injuries.
Quote on
Dr. Shires.--The surgery performed on Oswald, who had been shot in the upper abdomen and CHEST...Dr. Shires has said that on previous inspection an ENTRANCE wound over the left lower lateral chest edge was revealed and an exit was identified by subcutaneous palpation of the bullet over the right lower lateral chest cage. (Commission Document 374, p. 14) (Emphasis added)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10775#relPageId=14&tab=page
Quote off
This clearly shows us that TWO wounds were present on LHO, but how can this be possible when he was ONLY shot once per the WC? This is what the WC wrote in their Report (WCR).
Quote on
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/pages/WCReport_0120b.gif
After Oswald had been moved about 10 feet from the door of the jail office, Jack Ruby passed between a newsman and a detective at the edge of the straining crowd on the Main Street ramp. With his right hand extended and holding a .38 caliber revolver, Ruby stepped quickly forward and fired a SINGLE FATAL BULLET into Oswald’s ABDOMEN. (WCR, p. 216) (Emphasis added)
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0120b.htm
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This shows us that the WC said he was shot ONCE and it was in the abdomen, thus, why was there a wound in the CHEST area at all? When Dr. Shires was called by the WC they did NOT even seem interested in the issue as he had to ask them if they wanted to discuss this or not!
Mr. SPECTER - Well, fine, that concludes the deposition, thank you very much, Dr. Shires.
Dr. SHIRES - Are you interested in Oswald---that's my only other question?
Mr. SPECTER - Well, let's talk about it a little off the record.
(Discussion between Counsel Specter and witness Dr. Shires off the record at this point.)
Mr. SPECTER - Let's go back on the record. Dr. Shires, before concluding the deposition, permit me to ask you just a few additional questions about care for Lee Harvey Oswald.
Why were the WC NOT interested in the issue of LHO’s treatment? Also, what happened to the bullet taken from LHO?
Mr. SPECTER - Have you ever been interviewed by any other representative of the Federal Government before today?
Dr. SHIRES - No; not in person. I discussed over the phone with the FBI--- well, that was with regard to Oswald. I discussed over the phone what happened to the bullet that was taken from Oswald, but not with regard to the President or the Governor---no.
What did happen to this bullet? Does anyone know anything about this bullet? Finally Dr. Shires is allowed to briefly speak about the treatment of LHO before the WC.
Commission Exhibit (CE) 392:
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0024a.gif
Mr. SPECTER - First of all, I again show you Commission Exhibit No. 392, the last two pages which purport to he an operative record of Parkland Memorial Hospital on November 24, 1963, concerning treatment of Mr. Oswald, with you listed as the surgeon, and I'll ask you to take a look at these two sheets and tell us whether or not that is a report which you prepared on treatment of Mr. Oswald?
Dr. SHIRES - Yes, it is.
Mr. SPECTER - Will you outline in a very general way what his condition was when you first saw him?
Dr. SHIRES - When he was first seen in the emergency room, he was unconscious, without blood pressure or pulse, but with an audible heart beat, and attempts, feeble though they were, attempts in respiration. There was an entrance wound over the left lower chest and the bullet could be felt subcutaneously over the lower chest lateral projecting this trajectory through the body and looking at his general condition, it was fairly obvious that the bullet had transgressed virtually every major organ and vessel in the abdominal cavity, which later proved to be the case.
Here we see the same thing being said—an ENTRANCE wound over the LEFT LOWER CHEST area. I thought he was shot just in the abdomen. True, the abdomen and chest are close together in medical terms, but why are they using the word “chest” if it was not in the chest area? What a lucky shot too by Ruby as it hit "virtually every major organ" in LHO. I don't remember the shot being in an UPWARD direction from Bob Jackson's picture or television replays (via YouTube), so how did this happen?
Also, we have seen the comment by Dr. Shires earlier that he had a wound in BOTH areas. How can this be when he was ONLY shot once per the WC?
Mr. SPECTER - Did you come close to saving him, in the vernacular---in lay terms?
Dr. SHIRES - There has never been recorded in medical literature recovery from a wound like this. There was too much blood lost too fast. Had the injury occurred fight outside the operating room, it might have been possible to reduce the period of anoxia that comes from overwhelming blood loss like this, sufficiently to have corrected it. We did control all the bleeding points with a lot of difficulty, finally all bleeding points were controlled and this was a mortal wound--there was no question about that.
Here Dr. Shires said he could NOT have been saved because there had been “too much blood loss too fast”, but we have seen two witnesses who said they saw NO blood loss from LHO after Jack Ruby supposedly shot him? How can this be?
When I first started this topic I thought it was a reach by some conspiracy-minded people, but I have to tell you I am quickly changing my mind. Look at the damage this “one” bullet did to LHO
Quote on
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0024a.gif
The bullet pathway was then identified as having shattered the upper medial surface of the spleen, then entered the retroperitoneal area where there was a there was a large retroperitoneal hematoma in the area of the pancreas. Following this, bleeding was seen coming from the right side, and upon inspection there was seen to be an exit to the right through the inferior vena cava, thence through the superior pole of the right kidney, the lower portion of the right lobe of the liver, and into the right lateral body wall. (CE 392, p. 21)
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0024a.htm
Quote off
This was a well-placed shot that did maximum damage to quite a few major organs. These injuries caused “overwhelming blood loss” according to Dr. Shires, and yet, NO blood was seen at the time of the shooting. How does that work?
Can any WC defender tell me what happened to the bullet taken from LHO (it was given to Nurse Audrey Bell to be given to the authorities)? Since she was never called by the WC I don’t know who she gave it to. Also, can any WC defender show me some ballistic evidence matching this bullet to Jack Ruby’s .38 revolver? Or that he was given a paraffin test? And if so, what the results were? Finally, did they check his jacket to see if it had blood splatter on it?
I was tentative to say the evidence sunk the WC’s conclusion in the first part of this topic, but I am getting a little closer to thinking that as the evidence for showing Ruby shot LHO is really not available. The best way to go back to our original thinking would be for the WC defenders to come forward with some evidence to show Jack Ruby did indeed shoot LHO. Otherwise, I think perhaps as far-fetched as it seems the story of Jack Ruby shooting LHO may be sunk. What do you think?