Post by Rob Caprio on Oct 11, 2022 20:03:27 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) told us that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was a “lone nut” and had no serious ties to any group or people who would want to harm the President of the United States—John F. Kennedy (JFK). A key issue in showing if this claim is true or not occurred either on the night of September 26 or September 27, 1963, when three men visited Cuban emigree Silvia Odio. One of the men was called “Leon Oswald.”
I have looked at her testimony in-depth before, so I won’t bother to do so again here, but rather I will look at the seriousness which with the WC took this statement by her. We will see if the WC checked this out or just plain ruled it out.
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The timing of this visit is important as the WC had LHO going to Mexico City, Mexico, at the same time, thus, he could not be in two places at once. The three visitors were members of an anti-Castro organization and claimed to be friends with Mrs. Odio’s father who was a political prisoner of Castro’s in Cuba. One man called himself “Leopoldo” and one called himself something like “Angelo” and the third one, an American, was called “Leon Oswald.”
The WC never questioned that this visit occurred, but instead insisted LHO was not the American due to his trip to Mexico City, Mexico. Therefore, it was imperative for them to show that LHO really went to Mexico City otherwise that would leave the door wide open for saying they were wrong in their conclusion.
The WC wrote the following about this issue in their Report (WCR) on page 321.
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The Commission has examined Oswald’s known or alleged contacts and activities in an effort to ascertain whether or not he was involved in any conspiracy may be seen in the investigation it conducted as a result of the testimony given by Mrs. Sylvia Odio. The Commission investigated her statements in connection with its consideration of the testimony of several witnesses suggesting that Oswald may have been seen in the company of unidentified of Cuban or Mexican background. (WCR, pp. 321-322)
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The WC never questioned this visit to Mrs. Odio’s, but rather insisted the American was NOT LHO. For this to be true they had to show LHO was somewhere else, but did they? Let’s take a look at what they wrote about his whereabouts.
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During the course of its investigation, however, the Commission concluded that Oswald could not have been in Dallas on the evening of either September 26 or 27, 1963. It also developed considerable evidence that he was not in Dallas at any time between the beginning of September and October 3, 1963. (WCR, p. 322)
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This claim by the WC brings up a very important question—why was LHO receiving Texas unemployment when he was NOT in the area he filed for? Part of receiving unemployment is tied to a JOB SEARCH and NOT leaving the area without notification of your departure. However, here we are to believe he was off gallivanting in New Orleans or Mexico without telling the Texas Unemployment Commission and was still getting checks without reporting any effort to find a job.
After doing a little research on this issue I see in today’s world you can use the telephone or internet to file for a claim, but back in 1963 you had to report to your local workforce center to apply for a check and provide documentation showing your attempts to find a job. These were a requirement to receive benefits. How could LHO NOT be in Dallas and still do this? Why is this important you may be asking? Because the first part of establishing LHO’s whereabouts related to him cashing an unemployment check.
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Oswald is known to have been in New Orleans as late as September 23, 1963, the date on which Mrs. Paine and Marina Oswald left New Orleans for Dallas. Sometime between 4 p.m. on September 24 and 1 p.m. on September 25, Oswald cashed an unemployment compensation check at a store in New Orleans; under normal procedures this check would not have reached Oswald’s postal box in New Orleans until at least 5 a.m. on September 25. The store at which he cashed the check did not open until 8 a.m. Therefore, it appeared that Oswald’s presence in New Orleans until sometime between 8 a.m. and 1 p.m. on September 25 was quite firmly established. (WCR, pp. 322-323)
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By using the incident of the unemployment check cashing (this has been covered previously in other posts as well) as their basis for establishing his whereabouts the WC actually opened up a can of worms in terms of the questions I asked above. They wanted us to believe that LHO was filing for unemployment in Texas, but spending time in Louisiana! They even said the check would be mailed to him OUT OF STATE to his New Orleans P.O. Box! How can one be looking for a job in Dallas, Texas, and yet, be spending time in New Orleans?
Furthermore, based on the words in this paragraph quoted, how did they determine the whereabouts of LHO from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m.? The WC simply said the store opened at 8 a.m. and how do we know LHO did not go in then and then leave New Orleans after that? Why did the WC give LHO a FIVE-HOUR block to cash one check? They also said this was “firmly established”, but I don’t see any evidence doing this.
The WC then went on to acknowledge they could NOT show any firm evidence (how refreshing) showing how LHO could have gotten from New Orleans to Houston, Texas on the first leg of his journey to Mexico’s capital. They did say however the only time they had NO idea where he was came between the 1 p.m. in New Orleans on the 25th and 2:35 a.m. on September 26 at which time a bus left Houston for Laredo, Texas. The WC concluded the only way LHO could have gone to Dallas and then onto Houston to catch the 2:35 a.m. bus for Laredo would have been by airplane, and they firmly denounced this. They wrote this short statement about that topic.
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The only public means of transportation by which Oswald could have traveled from New Orleans to Dallas in time to catch his bus from Houston to Laredo, would have been the airlines. Investigation disclosed no indication that he flew between these points. (WCR, p. 323)
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What the WC did NOT investigate, and did NOT want to consider probably, is that perhaps LHO received a flight that was NOT recorded by a traditional airline. Think of David Ferrie as he was a pilot and he flew to and from Houston a good bit. Could LHO have gotten a ride from him? By the way, when the WC mentioned its “investigation” they were referring to the one the FBI was doing for them, and they said this on the next page of their report.
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In spite of the fact that it appeared almost certain that Oswald could not have been in Dallas at the time Mrs. Odio thought he was, the Commission requested the FBI to conduct further investigation to determine the validity of Mrs. Odio's testimony. The Commission considered the problems raised by that testimony as important in view of the possibility it raised that Oswald may have had companions on his trip to Mexico. (WCR, p. 324)
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Here we see that the FBI was tasked with the investigation and requested to find out validity of Mrs. Odio’s statement. By doing this, we see the WC took her testimony seriously, but did NOT act accordingly later on in regards to it. The key part of the visit is the fact that there were two other people with LHO, if it was him, and this would mean he was NOT a loner, but rather a member of a group of some kind in late September 1963, so why would he be bereft of these same people on November 22, 1963? This is a serious point, therefore, it should have been taken seriously by the WC. But was it?
Unfortunately no as the WC published their Report without letting the FBI finalize their Odio investigation. The WC acknowledged this in their own report too!
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The Commssion specifically requested the FBI to attempt to locate and identify the two men who Mrs. Odio stated were with the man she thought was Oswald. (1)
On September 16, 1964, the FBI located Loran Eugene Hall in Johnsandale, Calif. He told the FBI that in September 1963 he was in Dallas, soliciting aid in connection with anti-Castro activities. He said he had visited Mrs. Odio. He was accompanied by Lawrence Howard, a Mexican-American from East Los Angeles, and one William Seymour from Arizona. He stated that Seymour is similar in appearance to Lee Harvey Oswald; he speaks only a few words of Spanish, as Mrs. Odio had testified one of the men who visited her did.
While the FBI had not yet completed its investigation into this matter at the time the report went to press, the Commission has concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald was not at Mrs. Odio's apartment in September 1963. (WCR, p. 324)
(1) Letter to J. Edgar Hoover, dated August 28, 1964. It is listed as Commission Exhibit (CE) 3045.
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The WC left us with the claims of Loran Hall instead of actually having the FBI find this out for sure for us. Why? This is nothing but supposition, but even in that form it would show LHO was being framed as there would be NO reason for them to call William Seymour “Leon Oswald” otherwise. So even in the attempt to show this was NOT LHO at Mrs. Odio’s the WC showed LHO was being framed! Remember, the next day Mrs. Odio received a call from the one calling himself “Leopoldo” in which he told her (1) that "Leon Oswald" was a former Marine; (2) that "Oswald" was a crack marksman; (3) that "Oswald" felt that President Kennedy should have been assassinated after the Bay of Pigs; and (4) that "Oswald" was "loco" and the kind of man who could do anything, like "getting" the Cuban underground or killing Castro. There would be NO reason to do this UNLESS they were framing LHO!
This makes it apparent to me, and I would think many people, that it does NOT really matter if the real LHO was at Mrs. Odio’s or not as the seeds were planted that LHO was a looney guy who had thoughts of whacking JFK. How many other times did this occur that we have NOT heard about? I doubt this was the only person they did this too in the months leading up to November 22, 1963.
Trying to help the FBI even claimed that the name Loran Hall had “some phonetic resemblance to the name Leon Oswald.” (CE 3146, p. 2)
CE 3146: www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/pages/WH_Vol26_0436a.gif
Please. Even the WC omitted this from their report as it really stretches the imagination, but unfortunately for us the WC offered NO better explanation in their Report. There is no excuse for how the WC failed to fully investigate this and come up with a sound, and supportable explanation for this visit Mrs. Odio said occurred, and which they believed.
To leave an issue as important as this unfinished and unresolved should cause everyone who studies this case pause as it makes you wonder what else they left unfinished too. It also shows us in a nutshell that the WC was NOT about finding the truth, but rather making things fix their pre-conceived theory of LHO acting alone. It had to be shown it was LHO at all costs and this constitutes a cover-up.
neitshade5.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/lee-harvey-oswald.jpg
spartacus-educational.com/1AASylviaOdio1.jpg
The Warren Commission (WC) told us that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was a “lone nut” and had no serious ties to any group or people who would want to harm the President of the United States—John F. Kennedy (JFK). A key issue in showing if this claim is true or not occurred either on the night of September 26 or September 27, 1963, when three men visited Cuban emigree Silvia Odio. One of the men was called “Leon Oswald.”
I have looked at her testimony in-depth before, so I won’t bother to do so again here, but rather I will look at the seriousness which with the WC took this statement by her. We will see if the WC checked this out or just plain ruled it out.
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The timing of this visit is important as the WC had LHO going to Mexico City, Mexico, at the same time, thus, he could not be in two places at once. The three visitors were members of an anti-Castro organization and claimed to be friends with Mrs. Odio’s father who was a political prisoner of Castro’s in Cuba. One man called himself “Leopoldo” and one called himself something like “Angelo” and the third one, an American, was called “Leon Oswald.”
The WC never questioned that this visit occurred, but instead insisted LHO was not the American due to his trip to Mexico City, Mexico. Therefore, it was imperative for them to show that LHO really went to Mexico City otherwise that would leave the door wide open for saying they were wrong in their conclusion.
The WC wrote the following about this issue in their Report (WCR) on page 321.
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The Commission has examined Oswald’s known or alleged contacts and activities in an effort to ascertain whether or not he was involved in any conspiracy may be seen in the investigation it conducted as a result of the testimony given by Mrs. Sylvia Odio. The Commission investigated her statements in connection with its consideration of the testimony of several witnesses suggesting that Oswald may have been seen in the company of unidentified of Cuban or Mexican background. (WCR, pp. 321-322)
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0173a.htm
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The WC never questioned this visit to Mrs. Odio’s, but rather insisted the American was NOT LHO. For this to be true they had to show LHO was somewhere else, but did they? Let’s take a look at what they wrote about his whereabouts.
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During the course of its investigation, however, the Commission concluded that Oswald could not have been in Dallas on the evening of either September 26 or 27, 1963. It also developed considerable evidence that he was not in Dallas at any time between the beginning of September and October 3, 1963. (WCR, p. 322)
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0173b.htm
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This claim by the WC brings up a very important question—why was LHO receiving Texas unemployment when he was NOT in the area he filed for? Part of receiving unemployment is tied to a JOB SEARCH and NOT leaving the area without notification of your departure. However, here we are to believe he was off gallivanting in New Orleans or Mexico without telling the Texas Unemployment Commission and was still getting checks without reporting any effort to find a job.
After doing a little research on this issue I see in today’s world you can use the telephone or internet to file for a claim, but back in 1963 you had to report to your local workforce center to apply for a check and provide documentation showing your attempts to find a job. These were a requirement to receive benefits. How could LHO NOT be in Dallas and still do this? Why is this important you may be asking? Because the first part of establishing LHO’s whereabouts related to him cashing an unemployment check.
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Oswald is known to have been in New Orleans as late as September 23, 1963, the date on which Mrs. Paine and Marina Oswald left New Orleans for Dallas. Sometime between 4 p.m. on September 24 and 1 p.m. on September 25, Oswald cashed an unemployment compensation check at a store in New Orleans; under normal procedures this check would not have reached Oswald’s postal box in New Orleans until at least 5 a.m. on September 25. The store at which he cashed the check did not open until 8 a.m. Therefore, it appeared that Oswald’s presence in New Orleans until sometime between 8 a.m. and 1 p.m. on September 25 was quite firmly established. (WCR, pp. 322-323)
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0174a.htm
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By using the incident of the unemployment check cashing (this has been covered previously in other posts as well) as their basis for establishing his whereabouts the WC actually opened up a can of worms in terms of the questions I asked above. They wanted us to believe that LHO was filing for unemployment in Texas, but spending time in Louisiana! They even said the check would be mailed to him OUT OF STATE to his New Orleans P.O. Box! How can one be looking for a job in Dallas, Texas, and yet, be spending time in New Orleans?
Furthermore, based on the words in this paragraph quoted, how did they determine the whereabouts of LHO from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m.? The WC simply said the store opened at 8 a.m. and how do we know LHO did not go in then and then leave New Orleans after that? Why did the WC give LHO a FIVE-HOUR block to cash one check? They also said this was “firmly established”, but I don’t see any evidence doing this.
The WC then went on to acknowledge they could NOT show any firm evidence (how refreshing) showing how LHO could have gotten from New Orleans to Houston, Texas on the first leg of his journey to Mexico’s capital. They did say however the only time they had NO idea where he was came between the 1 p.m. in New Orleans on the 25th and 2:35 a.m. on September 26 at which time a bus left Houston for Laredo, Texas. The WC concluded the only way LHO could have gone to Dallas and then onto Houston to catch the 2:35 a.m. bus for Laredo would have been by airplane, and they firmly denounced this. They wrote this short statement about that topic.
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The only public means of transportation by which Oswald could have traveled from New Orleans to Dallas in time to catch his bus from Houston to Laredo, would have been the airlines. Investigation disclosed no indication that he flew between these points. (WCR, p. 323)
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What the WC did NOT investigate, and did NOT want to consider probably, is that perhaps LHO received a flight that was NOT recorded by a traditional airline. Think of David Ferrie as he was a pilot and he flew to and from Houston a good bit. Could LHO have gotten a ride from him? By the way, when the WC mentioned its “investigation” they were referring to the one the FBI was doing for them, and they said this on the next page of their report.
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In spite of the fact that it appeared almost certain that Oswald could not have been in Dallas at the time Mrs. Odio thought he was, the Commission requested the FBI to conduct further investigation to determine the validity of Mrs. Odio's testimony. The Commission considered the problems raised by that testimony as important in view of the possibility it raised that Oswald may have had companions on his trip to Mexico. (WCR, p. 324)
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0174b.htm
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Here we see that the FBI was tasked with the investigation and requested to find out validity of Mrs. Odio’s statement. By doing this, we see the WC took her testimony seriously, but did NOT act accordingly later on in regards to it. The key part of the visit is the fact that there were two other people with LHO, if it was him, and this would mean he was NOT a loner, but rather a member of a group of some kind in late September 1963, so why would he be bereft of these same people on November 22, 1963? This is a serious point, therefore, it should have been taken seriously by the WC. But was it?
Unfortunately no as the WC published their Report without letting the FBI finalize their Odio investigation. The WC acknowledged this in their own report too!
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The Commssion specifically requested the FBI to attempt to locate and identify the two men who Mrs. Odio stated were with the man she thought was Oswald. (1)
On September 16, 1964, the FBI located Loran Eugene Hall in Johnsandale, Calif. He told the FBI that in September 1963 he was in Dallas, soliciting aid in connection with anti-Castro activities. He said he had visited Mrs. Odio. He was accompanied by Lawrence Howard, a Mexican-American from East Los Angeles, and one William Seymour from Arizona. He stated that Seymour is similar in appearance to Lee Harvey Oswald; he speaks only a few words of Spanish, as Mrs. Odio had testified one of the men who visited her did.
While the FBI had not yet completed its investigation into this matter at the time the report went to press, the Commission has concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald was not at Mrs. Odio's apartment in September 1963. (WCR, p. 324)
(1) Letter to J. Edgar Hoover, dated August 28, 1964. It is listed as Commission Exhibit (CE) 3045.
CE 3045: www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/pages/WH_Vol26_0316a.gif
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The WC left us with the claims of Loran Hall instead of actually having the FBI find this out for sure for us. Why? This is nothing but supposition, but even in that form it would show LHO was being framed as there would be NO reason for them to call William Seymour “Leon Oswald” otherwise. So even in the attempt to show this was NOT LHO at Mrs. Odio’s the WC showed LHO was being framed! Remember, the next day Mrs. Odio received a call from the one calling himself “Leopoldo” in which he told her (1) that "Leon Oswald" was a former Marine; (2) that "Oswald" was a crack marksman; (3) that "Oswald" felt that President Kennedy should have been assassinated after the Bay of Pigs; and (4) that "Oswald" was "loco" and the kind of man who could do anything, like "getting" the Cuban underground or killing Castro. There would be NO reason to do this UNLESS they were framing LHO!
This makes it apparent to me, and I would think many people, that it does NOT really matter if the real LHO was at Mrs. Odio’s or not as the seeds were planted that LHO was a looney guy who had thoughts of whacking JFK. How many other times did this occur that we have NOT heard about? I doubt this was the only person they did this too in the months leading up to November 22, 1963.
Trying to help the FBI even claimed that the name Loran Hall had “some phonetic resemblance to the name Leon Oswald.” (CE 3146, p. 2)
CE 3146: www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/pages/WH_Vol26_0436a.gif
Please. Even the WC omitted this from their report as it really stretches the imagination, but unfortunately for us the WC offered NO better explanation in their Report. There is no excuse for how the WC failed to fully investigate this and come up with a sound, and supportable explanation for this visit Mrs. Odio said occurred, and which they believed.
To leave an issue as important as this unfinished and unresolved should cause everyone who studies this case pause as it makes you wonder what else they left unfinished too. It also shows us in a nutshell that the WC was NOT about finding the truth, but rather making things fix their pre-conceived theory of LHO acting alone. It had to be shown it was LHO at all costs and this constitutes a cover-up.