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Note: I noticed while reading James Gale's HSCA testimony for the HSCA Says...post that he said J. Edgar Hoover was a "perfectionist" in regards to the process that the FBI used, and its performance during the process.
Is this the work of a perfectionist? Or someone who was trying to hide the truth?
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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on November 22, 1963. They further claimed that he did this act all alone receiving no help from anyone.
In order to keep their claim going they had to ignore quite a lot of incidents that showed that LHO was traveling in the company of others. One of these incidences was the visit to Silvia Odio’s apartment in late September 1963.
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Silvia Odio testified before the WC that three men visited her apartment and one of them was named “Leon Oswald”.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you tell Father McKann that the name Oswald was never used in your presence by any of these men?
Mrs. ODIO. Never was used except to introduce me, and the time when they left. They did not refer to him as Oswald.
Mr. LIEBELER. But they did in fact, introduce him as Leon Oswald?
Mrs. ODIO. And I shook hands with him.
It was vital for the WC to discredit this testimony because at the time of this visit the WC had LHO on his way to Mexico City all by himself. In Commission Exhibit (CE) 3146 we see a letter from J. Edgar Hoover (JEH) to the WC, dated September 21, 1964, regarding this issue.
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On September 16, 1964, we located one Loran Eugene Hall at Johnsondale. California… He recalled meeting a Cuban woman, Mrs. Odio, who lived in a garden-type apartment at 1080 Magellan Circle, Dallas, Texas. He said that at the time of his visit he was accompanied by Lawrence Howard, a Mexican-American from East Los Angeles and William Seymour from Arizona. He denied that Lee Harvey Oswald was with him during his visit to Mrs. Odio's apartment in September, 1963.
Hall stated that William Seymour is similar in appearance to Lee Harvey Oswald and that Seymour speaks only a few words of Spanish. In connection with the revelations of Hall you will note that the name Loran Hall bears some phonetic resemblance to the name Leon Oswald... (CE 3146, p. 1)
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This letter by JEH was dated just six days before the WC released their report. In it we see that JEH says upon FBI investigation it was determined that the three men were Loran Hall, Laurence Howard and William Seymour. He further stated that Hall said that Seymour had a “similar appearance” to LHO. JEH then makes the ridiculous claim that Loren Hall “bears some phonetic resemblance” to Leon Oswald. This is absurd as they sound nothing alike. Most importantly he admits that Hall said that he met with a Cuban woman named Odio.
The WC would write in their report, (WCR, p. 324) these were the three men who met with Sylvia Odio. The WC wrote the following regarding the issue of LHO being one of the men at Odio’s apartment.
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While the FBI had not yet completed its investigation into this matter at the time the report went to press, the Commission has concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald was not at Mrs. Odio’s apartment in September 1963. (WCR, p. 334)
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Here we see the WC state unequivocally that LHO was not at Odio’s apartment at the time they said he was on his way to Mexico City. No surprise there. But what did these men say about the claim of them meeting Mrs. Odio at her apartment? Let’s look at a FBI internal security memorandum for the answer to this question.
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Seymour said Silvia Odio was not known to him …Howard denied any contact with a Cuban woman named Odio at Dallas. (Commission Document (CD) 1553, pp. 19-20; pp. 1-2 orig.)
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This report shows that neither William Seymour or Laurence Howard said that they ever met Odio. Hall is more complicated. On September 16, 1964 he was interviewed by the FBI and said the following.
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Hall recalled meeting a Cuban woman, Mrs. Odio, who lived in Apartment A… (CD 1553, p. 29)
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This is what Hall initially said, but he then rescinded it. He must have contacted the FBI because on September 20, 1964, he is reinterviewed and changes his statement.
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…[Hall] advises that information furnished by him on 9/16/64 was incorrect and was furnished by error…Hall denies this Cuban woman was ever contacted by him or his group for assistance…Howard denies that he accompanied Hall to meet a Cuban refugee named Sylvia Odio. (CD 1553, pp. 29-30)
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These statements are important in showing that JEH provided the WC with false information. By the date of his letter (9/21/64) to the WC, JEH had access to statements made by Seymour (9/18/64); Howard (9/20/64); and Hall (9/20/64) stating that they either did not know Odio, or never met with her during the time she said that she had been visited by the three men. In other words, he just made up what suited the interest of the official narrative.
Further corroboration for Hall and Howard comes from Celio Sergio Castro Alba.
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Mr. Castro stated that the name of SYLVIA ODIO or anyone named ODIO had never been mentioned to him while with Hall or Howard in Dallas. (CD 1553, p. 23; p.5 orig.)
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This further confirms that the three men named as being the ones to visit Odio in late September 1963 said they did not. Furthermore, there was no evidence showing that they did. JEH willfully passed on incorrect information. For if he had made a simple mistake he had six days to fix it before the WCR came out, but he didn’t. Thus, we have to think that he purposely mislead the WC (who most likely was just as happy) and the American people.
This one issue shows that no information or evidence from the FBI should be taken at face value as JEH would do whatever it took to keep the lie of the official narrative going. Further examples of his dishonesty were the comment of a tree blocking the view of the sniper when the presidential limousine was on Houston Street, and the fact that Hosty’s name had been removed from LHO’s notebook (V, p. 112).
Nothing Hoover said or testified to can be accepted without checking it out first.
www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/j_edgar_hoover_img.jpg
merdist.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/SylviaOdio3.jpg
Note: I noticed while reading James Gale's HSCA testimony for the HSCA Says...post that he said J. Edgar Hoover was a "perfectionist" in regards to the process that the FBI used, and its performance during the process.
Is this the work of a perfectionist? Or someone who was trying to hide the truth?
****************************
The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on November 22, 1963. They further claimed that he did this act all alone receiving no help from anyone.
In order to keep their claim going they had to ignore quite a lot of incidents that showed that LHO was traveling in the company of others. One of these incidences was the visit to Silvia Odio’s apartment in late September 1963.
*****************************************
Silvia Odio testified before the WC that three men visited her apartment and one of them was named “Leon Oswald”.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you tell Father McKann that the name Oswald was never used in your presence by any of these men?
Mrs. ODIO. Never was used except to introduce me, and the time when they left. They did not refer to him as Oswald.
Mr. LIEBELER. But they did in fact, introduce him as Leon Oswald?
Mrs. ODIO. And I shook hands with him.
It was vital for the WC to discredit this testimony because at the time of this visit the WC had LHO on his way to Mexico City all by himself. In Commission Exhibit (CE) 3146 we see a letter from J. Edgar Hoover (JEH) to the WC, dated September 21, 1964, regarding this issue.
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historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/pages/WH_Vol26_0435b.gif
On September 16, 1964, we located one Loran Eugene Hall at Johnsondale. California… He recalled meeting a Cuban woman, Mrs. Odio, who lived in a garden-type apartment at 1080 Magellan Circle, Dallas, Texas. He said that at the time of his visit he was accompanied by Lawrence Howard, a Mexican-American from East Los Angeles and William Seymour from Arizona. He denied that Lee Harvey Oswald was with him during his visit to Mrs. Odio's apartment in September, 1963.
Hall stated that William Seymour is similar in appearance to Lee Harvey Oswald and that Seymour speaks only a few words of Spanish. In connection with the revelations of Hall you will note that the name Loran Hall bears some phonetic resemblance to the name Leon Oswald... (CE 3146, p. 1)
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh26/html/WH_Vol26_0435b.htm
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This letter by JEH was dated just six days before the WC released their report. In it we see that JEH says upon FBI investigation it was determined that the three men were Loran Hall, Laurence Howard and William Seymour. He further stated that Hall said that Seymour had a “similar appearance” to LHO. JEH then makes the ridiculous claim that Loren Hall “bears some phonetic resemblance” to Leon Oswald. This is absurd as they sound nothing alike. Most importantly he admits that Hall said that he met with a Cuban woman named Odio.
The WC would write in their report, (WCR, p. 324) these were the three men who met with Sylvia Odio. The WC wrote the following regarding the issue of LHO being one of the men at Odio’s apartment.
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While the FBI had not yet completed its investigation into this matter at the time the report went to press, the Commission has concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald was not at Mrs. Odio’s apartment in September 1963. (WCR, p. 334)
www.historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0174b.htm
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Here we see the WC state unequivocally that LHO was not at Odio’s apartment at the time they said he was on his way to Mexico City. No surprise there. But what did these men say about the claim of them meeting Mrs. Odio at her apartment? Let’s look at a FBI internal security memorandum for the answer to this question.
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Seymour said Silvia Odio was not known to him …Howard denied any contact with a Cuban woman named Odio at Dallas. (Commission Document (CD) 1553, pp. 19-20; pp. 1-2 orig.)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11948#relPageId=21&tab=page
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This report shows that neither William Seymour or Laurence Howard said that they ever met Odio. Hall is more complicated. On September 16, 1964 he was interviewed by the FBI and said the following.
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Hall recalled meeting a Cuban woman, Mrs. Odio, who lived in Apartment A… (CD 1553, p. 29)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11948#relPageId=31&tab=page
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This is what Hall initially said, but he then rescinded it. He must have contacted the FBI because on September 20, 1964, he is reinterviewed and changes his statement.
Quote on
…[Hall] advises that information furnished by him on 9/16/64 was incorrect and was furnished by error…Hall denies this Cuban woman was ever contacted by him or his group for assistance…Howard denies that he accompanied Hall to meet a Cuban refugee named Sylvia Odio. (CD 1553, pp. 29-30)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11948#relPageId=32&tab=page
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These statements are important in showing that JEH provided the WC with false information. By the date of his letter (9/21/64) to the WC, JEH had access to statements made by Seymour (9/18/64); Howard (9/20/64); and Hall (9/20/64) stating that they either did not know Odio, or never met with her during the time she said that she had been visited by the three men. In other words, he just made up what suited the interest of the official narrative.
Further corroboration for Hall and Howard comes from Celio Sergio Castro Alba.
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Mr. Castro stated that the name of SYLVIA ODIO or anyone named ODIO had never been mentioned to him while with Hall or Howard in Dallas. (CD 1553, p. 23; p.5 orig.)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11948#relPageId=25&tab=page
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This further confirms that the three men named as being the ones to visit Odio in late September 1963 said they did not. Furthermore, there was no evidence showing that they did. JEH willfully passed on incorrect information. For if he had made a simple mistake he had six days to fix it before the WCR came out, but he didn’t. Thus, we have to think that he purposely mislead the WC (who most likely was just as happy) and the American people.
This one issue shows that no information or evidence from the FBI should be taken at face value as JEH would do whatever it took to keep the lie of the official narrative going. Further examples of his dishonesty were the comment of a tree blocking the view of the sniper when the presidential limousine was on Houston Street, and the fact that Hosty’s name had been removed from LHO’s notebook (V, p. 112).
Nothing Hoover said or testified to can be accepted without checking it out first.