Post by Rob Caprio on Mar 29, 2023 20:40:10 GMT -5
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Why was one of the cops handcuffed to Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) NOT told about the threats made against LHO?
If we go to L.C. Graves testimony we will see this.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, prior to taking Oswald down to the basement, had you learned anything about the threatening telephone calls which the police department had received?
Mr. GRAVES. I had not. At that time I didn't know that there had been any threatening calls.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you subsequently learn?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes; learned later that the FBI had a call to that effect, but I learned that our office had had similar calls, too. (XIII, pp. 5-6)
We see Graves had NO idea any threats had been made at the time he was transferring LHO. Why NOT? I would love to know if Leavelle knew, but the WC did NOT see fit to ask him. He does give us a very good bit of information though.
Mr. HUBERT. Yes; push it back a little further. From the time you left the jail cell.
Mr. LEAVELLE. All right, when we left the jail cell, we proceeded down to the booking desk there, up to the door leading out into the basement, and I purposely told Mr. Graves to hold it a minute while Captain Fritz checked the area outside. I don't know why I did that, because we had not made any plans to do so, but I said, "Let's hold it a minute and let him see if everything is in order." Because we had been given to understand that the car would be across the passageway.
Mr. HUBERT. Of the jail corridor?
Mr. LEAVELLE. And that--and we would have nothing to do but walk straight from the door, approximately 13 or 14 feet to the car and then Captain Fritz--when we asked him to give us the high sign on it he said, "Everything is all set."
Mr. HUBERT. Did you notice what time it was?
Mr. LEAVELLE. No; I did not. That is the only error that I can see. The captain should have known that the car was not in the position it should be, and I was surprised when I walked to the door and the car was not in the spot it should have been, but I could see it was in back, and backing into position, but had it been in position where we were told it would be, that would have eliminated a lot of the area in which anyone would have access to him, because it would have been blocked by the car. In fact, if the car had been sitting where we were told it was going to be, see--it would have been sitting directly upon the spot where Ruby was standing when he fired the shot.
We see Captain Fritz said everything was “all set” when it was NOT! One has to wonder what he meant by all set, huh? The car should have been close to the door and it was NOT! Why would Fritz say everything was set when it was clearly NOT? Leavelle even says IF the car was where it was supposed to be Ruby could NOT have shot LHO! Can any WC defender explain this better than the WC did? Here is the excuse the WC put into the record for the car NOT being in place.
Mr. HUBERT. Of course, in that case the television cameras would have been blocked out?
Mr. LEAVELLE. That's true.
God forbid we block the camera, huh? I guess LHO staying alive was NOT as important as letting the media have their camera shot UNOBSTRUCTED, huh? A third party to this saga is Detective L.D. Montgomery. Here is some of his WC testimony.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do while these two officers were bringing Oswald down to Fritz' office?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. I didn't do anything outstanding. Must have been just answer the telephone.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, were the telephone calls that you were getting the same kind of calls that you had been getting?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Any useful information come out of these calls?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. No. (XIII, p. 25)
What kind of calls are we talking about here? Were they the DEATH THREAT kind? Who knows as the WC lawyer didn’t see fit to clarify for us.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did he tell you?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. He told us we was going to, you know, transfer him to county jail.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he tell you how you were going to go?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Told us we were going to use his car, the captain's car. Said he had an armored car down there, but they wasn't going to use it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he tell you why he wasn't going to use it?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. I think he said it was too big and bulky.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you aware of an earlier plan to take him by way of Elm Street rather than Main?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. He said that the armored car was supposed to go up Elm Street and act as a decoy. (XIII, pp. 26-27)
Decoy? Don’t you think the camera you did NOT want to block showing LHO getting into a CAR would have DESTROYED the chance of a decoy working? Why did they think anyone who wanted LHO dead might not watch television or listen to the radio? Why was LHO handcuffed in the first place based on Montgomery’s view?
Mr. GRIFFIN. What else did he tell you about how he was going to be moved?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Of course, he said, no; he wanted Graves on one side and Leavelle on the other, and wanted Leavelle to handcuff himself to Oswald there so he wouldn't get away, and said, "I'll lead the way out." And told me, said, "I want you to follow behind Oswald," which I did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he tell you what you were supposed to do?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Make sure he didn't get away.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there some concern that Oswald might try to get away? Was this actually discussed, the possibility that Oswald might try to escape?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. I don't know that there was anything actually discussed about him trying to get away. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But you have the feeling that he might try to break away?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. No; I didn't have a feeling that he would try, but he just said to stay there with him and make sure he doesn't. (XIII, p. 28)
IF LHO was NOT going to try and escape (where could he go with 70 cops in the basement anyway?), why was he being handcuffed at all? Was it to make sure he did NOT avoid the shot by Ruby? One has to wonder this when Fritz said everything was set, but the car was NOT in place and Ruby could NOT have shot LHO IF the car was in place.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, did you feel that your reason, your primary reason for being behind him was to prevent him from getting away rather than to prevent somebody from getting to him?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Keep him from getting away. (XIII, p. 28)
Getting away from what? Ruby’s bullet? There were 70 cops in the basement plus a bunch of media people, how could LHO get away again?
How many coincidences add up to conspiracy? Can all of these things just be coincidences? OR, do they show a deliberate plan to have LHO done away with?
Can any WC defender show us it was all just a big coincidence?
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Why was one of the cops handcuffed to Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) NOT told about the threats made against LHO?
If we go to L.C. Graves testimony we will see this.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, prior to taking Oswald down to the basement, had you learned anything about the threatening telephone calls which the police department had received?
Mr. GRAVES. I had not. At that time I didn't know that there had been any threatening calls.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you subsequently learn?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes; learned later that the FBI had a call to that effect, but I learned that our office had had similar calls, too. (XIII, pp. 5-6)
We see Graves had NO idea any threats had been made at the time he was transferring LHO. Why NOT? I would love to know if Leavelle knew, but the WC did NOT see fit to ask him. He does give us a very good bit of information though.
Mr. HUBERT. Yes; push it back a little further. From the time you left the jail cell.
Mr. LEAVELLE. All right, when we left the jail cell, we proceeded down to the booking desk there, up to the door leading out into the basement, and I purposely told Mr. Graves to hold it a minute while Captain Fritz checked the area outside. I don't know why I did that, because we had not made any plans to do so, but I said, "Let's hold it a minute and let him see if everything is in order." Because we had been given to understand that the car would be across the passageway.
Mr. HUBERT. Of the jail corridor?
Mr. LEAVELLE. And that--and we would have nothing to do but walk straight from the door, approximately 13 or 14 feet to the car and then Captain Fritz--when we asked him to give us the high sign on it he said, "Everything is all set."
Mr. HUBERT. Did you notice what time it was?
Mr. LEAVELLE. No; I did not. That is the only error that I can see. The captain should have known that the car was not in the position it should be, and I was surprised when I walked to the door and the car was not in the spot it should have been, but I could see it was in back, and backing into position, but had it been in position where we were told it would be, that would have eliminated a lot of the area in which anyone would have access to him, because it would have been blocked by the car. In fact, if the car had been sitting where we were told it was going to be, see--it would have been sitting directly upon the spot where Ruby was standing when he fired the shot.
We see Captain Fritz said everything was “all set” when it was NOT! One has to wonder what he meant by all set, huh? The car should have been close to the door and it was NOT! Why would Fritz say everything was set when it was clearly NOT? Leavelle even says IF the car was where it was supposed to be Ruby could NOT have shot LHO! Can any WC defender explain this better than the WC did? Here is the excuse the WC put into the record for the car NOT being in place.
Mr. HUBERT. Of course, in that case the television cameras would have been blocked out?
Mr. LEAVELLE. That's true.
God forbid we block the camera, huh? I guess LHO staying alive was NOT as important as letting the media have their camera shot UNOBSTRUCTED, huh? A third party to this saga is Detective L.D. Montgomery. Here is some of his WC testimony.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do while these two officers were bringing Oswald down to Fritz' office?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. I didn't do anything outstanding. Must have been just answer the telephone.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, were the telephone calls that you were getting the same kind of calls that you had been getting?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Any useful information come out of these calls?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. No. (XIII, p. 25)
What kind of calls are we talking about here? Were they the DEATH THREAT kind? Who knows as the WC lawyer didn’t see fit to clarify for us.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did he tell you?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. He told us we was going to, you know, transfer him to county jail.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he tell you how you were going to go?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Told us we were going to use his car, the captain's car. Said he had an armored car down there, but they wasn't going to use it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he tell you why he wasn't going to use it?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. I think he said it was too big and bulky.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you aware of an earlier plan to take him by way of Elm Street rather than Main?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. He said that the armored car was supposed to go up Elm Street and act as a decoy. (XIII, pp. 26-27)
Decoy? Don’t you think the camera you did NOT want to block showing LHO getting into a CAR would have DESTROYED the chance of a decoy working? Why did they think anyone who wanted LHO dead might not watch television or listen to the radio? Why was LHO handcuffed in the first place based on Montgomery’s view?
Mr. GRIFFIN. What else did he tell you about how he was going to be moved?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Of course, he said, no; he wanted Graves on one side and Leavelle on the other, and wanted Leavelle to handcuff himself to Oswald there so he wouldn't get away, and said, "I'll lead the way out." And told me, said, "I want you to follow behind Oswald," which I did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he tell you what you were supposed to do?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Make sure he didn't get away.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there some concern that Oswald might try to get away? Was this actually discussed, the possibility that Oswald might try to escape?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. I don't know that there was anything actually discussed about him trying to get away. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But you have the feeling that he might try to break away?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. No; I didn't have a feeling that he would try, but he just said to stay there with him and make sure he doesn't. (XIII, p. 28)
IF LHO was NOT going to try and escape (where could he go with 70 cops in the basement anyway?), why was he being handcuffed at all? Was it to make sure he did NOT avoid the shot by Ruby? One has to wonder this when Fritz said everything was set, but the car was NOT in place and Ruby could NOT have shot LHO IF the car was in place.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, did you feel that your reason, your primary reason for being behind him was to prevent him from getting away rather than to prevent somebody from getting to him?
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Keep him from getting away. (XIII, p. 28)
Getting away from what? Ruby’s bullet? There were 70 cops in the basement plus a bunch of media people, how could LHO get away again?
How many coincidences add up to conspiracy? Can all of these things just be coincidences? OR, do they show a deliberate plan to have LHO done away with?
Can any WC defender show us it was all just a big coincidence?