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The Warren Commission (WC) said that Jack Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald with no help from anyone including the Dallas Police Department (DPD). And yet, they had some very troubling things to consider when they made this claim, but as usual they simply wound up ignoring them. The first major issue to deal with was the Main Street ramp.
We have looked at Jack Ruby acting alone in shooting LHO to see if this was possible previously. Of course, he shot him alone, but the focus was on whether he could have gotten in the basement alone and around 70-75 cops all by himself. The answer was a resounding NO as even the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) found this too incredible to believe.
This leads us to this post.
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Why was the car not in place for LHO’s transfer as it was supposed to be? We have Dallas Police Detective L. D. Montgomery saying the car should have been in place when they exited the doors with LHO in tow, but it wasn’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Go ahead.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Like I say, we came out there. They crammed those mikes over there, and we had to slow up for just a second, because they was backing this car into position. It was supposed to have been in position when we got there, but it wasn't there, so, we had to pause, or slow down for the car to come on back. And, of course, this pause there--Captain Fritz opened the door of the car. He walked up to the door there. I don't say he opened the door or not. I didn't see him open the door. He just walked up to it and then I saw a blur or something and I couldn't tell what it was. I couldn't tell, and I heard what sounded like a shot.
The car was supposed to have been in place, but it wasn’t. Why? We also have Detective Jim Leavelle’s testimony saying the same thing to corroborate Montgomery’s testimony.
Mr. HUBERT. Yes; push it back a little further. From the time you left the jail cell.
Mr. LEAVELLE. All right, when we left the jail cell, we proceeded down to the booking desk there, up to the door leading out into the basement, and I purposely told Mr. Graves to hold it a minute while Captain Fritz checked the area outside. I don't know why I did that, because we had not made any plans to do so, but I said, "Let's hold it a minute and let him see if everything is in order." Because we had been given to understand that the car would be across the passageway.
Mr. HUBERT. Of the jail corridor?
Mr. LEAVELLE. And that--and we would have nothing to do but walk straight from the door, approximately 13 or 14 feet to the car and then Captain Fritz--when we asked him to give us the high sign on it he said, "Everything is all set."
Mr. HUBERT. Did you notice what time it was?
Mr. LEAVELLE. No; I did not. That is the only error that I can see. The captain should have known that the car was not in the position it should be, and I was surprised when I walked to the door and the car was not in the spot it should have been, but I could see it was in back, and backing into position, but had it been in position where we were told it would be, that would have eliminated a lot of the area in which anyone would have access to him, because it would have been blocked by the car. In fact, if the car had been sitting where we were told it was going to be, see--it would have been sitting directly upon the spot where Ruby was standing when he fired the shot.
Again, why was this car not in position as it was supposed to have been? This would have barred Jack Ruby from approaching LHO and shooting him. The other officers there were not asked about this for some odd reason. Nowhere in Dallas Police Officer C.W. Brown’s testimony do you see this question asked. Why? Why was Captain Fritz saying to go ahead when he knew the automobile was NOT where it should have been?
A Detective involved in the investigation of LHO’s murder did say this in his homicide report.
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Deceased (LHO) was marched out of the jail office into the basement to be placed into a WAITING automobilefor transfer to the County Jail…as deceased and Detectives approached the car… (Homicide Report by Dallas Detective E.R. Beck) (Emphasis added)
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This is totally incorrect by Beck as the car was NOT waiting and LHO was shot because the car was NOT in place, thus, LHO and the Detectives were NOT approaching it as Beck writes. Why the misinformation here?
We would see Captain O.A. Jones weigh in on this issue too during his WC testimony.
Mr. HUBERT. I say, that was your idea?
Captain JONES. It was my idea, if the transporting vehicle backs all the way to the jail door.
Mr. HUBERT. All right.
Captain JONES. If it comes partially down here and has to stop, which would be somewhere around this area here [indicating], the--just past--just at the point where the ramp starts to rise there is a beam, I believe, or low point in the ceiling there, that if it cannot get to that point these officers in the line here can form an L-shaped line around the prisoner, between them and the two sides where the news media had been told to stay and form a buffer in between to walk up there. Then the change going to put two cars up there. There is no reason why that back car can't get all the way back to the jail office. The original plan would be that the line of officers would be from the jail door to the vehicle. Then they say, "Here he comes," and I am off up here, to the point that I indicated on the map. It is too late to get the people out of the way of the car and form the line. I am aware that Oswald is already coming because of the furor, so, I was trying to keep everybody out of the way and keep the way clear and I heard a shot.
Mr. HUBERT. All right.
Captain JONES. And I place that as to why it is my last awareness of---the back car is ahead of, towards Commerce Street. The prisoner is coming from back here [indicating]. The car is backing like this [indicating]. I am looking at----
Again, we see the automobile should have been parked and waiting for LHO, but instead it was being backed up when Ruby approached LHO and shot him. Again, why? Even the WC was candid for once about this in their Report. On page 230 of their report, we see this from them.
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When Oswald and the escorting detectives entered the basement, the transfer car had NOT been backed into place, nor had the policemen been arranged to block the newsmen’s access to Oswald’s path. If the transfer car had been carefully positioned between the press and Oswald, Ruby might have been kept several yards from his victim and possibly without a clear view of him. (WCR, p. 230) (Emphasis added)
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I think we can ditch the ideas Ruby “might have been kept several yards” from LHO and that he possibly would not have had a clear view of him. IF the automobile had been in place Ruby could not have shot LHO with any certainty of hitting him due to the automobile being in the way. At best he could have shot AT him, but the chances of hitting him would have been greatly diminished. Why did the WC let this go then instead of looking at more closely why this car was NOT in place as it was supposed to be? This was without a doubt the number one reason why LHO was dead and this could NOT have been accomplished by Ruby with NO help.
We have seen in an earlier post too that Sheriff Bill Decker had passed on a death threat against LHO. In fact, several people took death threats the night before and into the early hours of November 24, 1963, so why was the security so lax during the transfer? Another thing to consider is what was covered in a previous about Patrick Dean. In that post we saw that Sheriff Bill Decker had been a CHARACTER WITNESS for Dallas Mafia Boss Joseph Civello when he went for a pardon for his narcotics conviction. Again, the WC did NOT explore this path either. Why?
The WC concluded this on page 231 of their Report about the failure of the transfer.
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The Commission concludes that the failure of the police to remove Oswald secretly or to control the crowd in the basement at the time of the transfer were the major causes of the security breakdown which let to Oswald’s death. (WCR, p. 231)
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We see the cover-up in play here as they do NOT mention the automobile NOT being in place as it should have been, and expected to be in place, by the detectives escorting LHO. This simple act would have saved LHO’s life. The closest we come to an explanation of why the car was NOT in place came during Detective Leavelle’s testimony. The crowd in the basement was NOT the problem either, but rather Ruby was and the automobile in place would have blocked him from easily shooting LHO up close. Also, despite the "failure" of the police and the man in charge of the transfer overall (Asst. Chief Batchelor) some would receive promotions rather than reprimands and discharges. Just like we saw in the post about the Secret Service (SS) no one was held accountable for the death of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) or LHO in this case. Why NOT?
After he made the comment posted above about the automobile not being in place the WC lawyer said this.
Mr. HUBERT. Of course, in that case the television cameras would have been blocked out?
Mr. LEAVELLE. That's true.
So with death threats against LHO they worried more about blocking a camera out than their prisoner’s safety. Unbelievable. The WC mentions in their Report the lack of secrecy in the LHO transfer, but they failed to mention this was suggested by Detective Leavelle. It came up immediately after the “car would have blocked the camera” stuff.
Mr. HUBERT. The car was not pulled back because pulling it back would block the----
Mr. LEAVELLE. That, I don't know. Of course, you are--according to one of my previous reports I earlier suggested to Captain Fritz that we make the suggestion to the chief that we take him out to the first floor and put him out at Main Street to a car and proceed to the county jail that way and leave them waiting in the basement and on Commerce Street, and we could be to the county jail before anyone knew what was taking place.
Mr. HUBERT. What time did you make that suggestion, sir?
Mr. LEAVELLE. That was either just before or just after--probably just after I had gone there and got Oswald and we were talking about the transfer.
Leavelle wanted to take LHO out the first floor and suggested this to Captain Fritz for approval by Chief Curry. What did Fritz do?
Mr. HUBERT. Who did you make that suggestion to?
Mr. LEAVELLE. I made it to Captain Fritz.
Mr. HUBERT. What answer did you receive from him?
Mr. LEAVELLE. Said he didn't think the chief would go for it.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he say why?
Mr. LEAVELLE. Because, he said, the chief had given his word to the press that they would transfer him at a time when they could make pictures.
First of all, why was Captain Fritz deciding for Chief Curry? Shouldn’t this have been sent to him for HIM to decide? Secondly, can anyone really believe the answer as to why? I mean, it sounds like Fritz is saying despite Curry knowing of death threats to LHO he would rather make the media happy than worry about the safety of his prisoner! Thirdly, this is the second odd thing Fritz had been involved in deciding. He gave the "okay" sign to Leavelle when the automobile was NOT in place and this made the shooting of LHO so much easier.
Clearly we see evidence from the twenty-six volumes that sink the conclusion the WC arrived at—which was Jack Ruby had NO help in his killing of LHO. Clearly this is a false claim. The sheer fact alone that LHO was transferred an HOUR AND TWENTY MINUTES LATER than what was broadcasted and yet he was still available for Ruby to shoot within minutes of his arrival in the basement. It is clear someone (or some group) was orchestrating this whole event.
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The Warren Commission (WC) said that Jack Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald with no help from anyone including the Dallas Police Department (DPD). And yet, they had some very troubling things to consider when they made this claim, but as usual they simply wound up ignoring them. The first major issue to deal with was the Main Street ramp.
We have looked at Jack Ruby acting alone in shooting LHO to see if this was possible previously. Of course, he shot him alone, but the focus was on whether he could have gotten in the basement alone and around 70-75 cops all by himself. The answer was a resounding NO as even the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) found this too incredible to believe.
This leads us to this post.
***********************************
Why was the car not in place for LHO’s transfer as it was supposed to be? We have Dallas Police Detective L. D. Montgomery saying the car should have been in place when they exited the doors with LHO in tow, but it wasn’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Go ahead.
Mr. MONTGOMERY. Like I say, we came out there. They crammed those mikes over there, and we had to slow up for just a second, because they was backing this car into position. It was supposed to have been in position when we got there, but it wasn't there, so, we had to pause, or slow down for the car to come on back. And, of course, this pause there--Captain Fritz opened the door of the car. He walked up to the door there. I don't say he opened the door or not. I didn't see him open the door. He just walked up to it and then I saw a blur or something and I couldn't tell what it was. I couldn't tell, and I heard what sounded like a shot.
The car was supposed to have been in place, but it wasn’t. Why? We also have Detective Jim Leavelle’s testimony saying the same thing to corroborate Montgomery’s testimony.
Mr. HUBERT. Yes; push it back a little further. From the time you left the jail cell.
Mr. LEAVELLE. All right, when we left the jail cell, we proceeded down to the booking desk there, up to the door leading out into the basement, and I purposely told Mr. Graves to hold it a minute while Captain Fritz checked the area outside. I don't know why I did that, because we had not made any plans to do so, but I said, "Let's hold it a minute and let him see if everything is in order." Because we had been given to understand that the car would be across the passageway.
Mr. HUBERT. Of the jail corridor?
Mr. LEAVELLE. And that--and we would have nothing to do but walk straight from the door, approximately 13 or 14 feet to the car and then Captain Fritz--when we asked him to give us the high sign on it he said, "Everything is all set."
Mr. HUBERT. Did you notice what time it was?
Mr. LEAVELLE. No; I did not. That is the only error that I can see. The captain should have known that the car was not in the position it should be, and I was surprised when I walked to the door and the car was not in the spot it should have been, but I could see it was in back, and backing into position, but had it been in position where we were told it would be, that would have eliminated a lot of the area in which anyone would have access to him, because it would have been blocked by the car. In fact, if the car had been sitting where we were told it was going to be, see--it would have been sitting directly upon the spot where Ruby was standing when he fired the shot.
Again, why was this car not in position as it was supposed to have been? This would have barred Jack Ruby from approaching LHO and shooting him. The other officers there were not asked about this for some odd reason. Nowhere in Dallas Police Officer C.W. Brown’s testimony do you see this question asked. Why? Why was Captain Fritz saying to go ahead when he knew the automobile was NOT where it should have been?
A Detective involved in the investigation of LHO’s murder did say this in his homicide report.
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Deceased (LHO) was marched out of the jail office into the basement to be placed into a WAITING automobilefor transfer to the County Jail…as deceased and Detectives approached the car… (Homicide Report by Dallas Detective E.R. Beck) (Emphasis added)
texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337822/
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This is totally incorrect by Beck as the car was NOT waiting and LHO was shot because the car was NOT in place, thus, LHO and the Detectives were NOT approaching it as Beck writes. Why the misinformation here?
We would see Captain O.A. Jones weigh in on this issue too during his WC testimony.
Mr. HUBERT. I say, that was your idea?
Captain JONES. It was my idea, if the transporting vehicle backs all the way to the jail door.
Mr. HUBERT. All right.
Captain JONES. If it comes partially down here and has to stop, which would be somewhere around this area here [indicating], the--just past--just at the point where the ramp starts to rise there is a beam, I believe, or low point in the ceiling there, that if it cannot get to that point these officers in the line here can form an L-shaped line around the prisoner, between them and the two sides where the news media had been told to stay and form a buffer in between to walk up there. Then the change going to put two cars up there. There is no reason why that back car can't get all the way back to the jail office. The original plan would be that the line of officers would be from the jail door to the vehicle. Then they say, "Here he comes," and I am off up here, to the point that I indicated on the map. It is too late to get the people out of the way of the car and form the line. I am aware that Oswald is already coming because of the furor, so, I was trying to keep everybody out of the way and keep the way clear and I heard a shot.
Mr. HUBERT. All right.
Captain JONES. And I place that as to why it is my last awareness of---the back car is ahead of, towards Commerce Street. The prisoner is coming from back here [indicating]. The car is backing like this [indicating]. I am looking at----
Again, we see the automobile should have been parked and waiting for LHO, but instead it was being backed up when Ruby approached LHO and shot him. Again, why? Even the WC was candid for once about this in their Report. On page 230 of their report, we see this from them.
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When Oswald and the escorting detectives entered the basement, the transfer car had NOT been backed into place, nor had the policemen been arranged to block the newsmen’s access to Oswald’s path. If the transfer car had been carefully positioned between the press and Oswald, Ruby might have been kept several yards from his victim and possibly without a clear view of him. (WCR, p. 230) (Emphasis added)
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0127b.htm
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I think we can ditch the ideas Ruby “might have been kept several yards” from LHO and that he possibly would not have had a clear view of him. IF the automobile had been in place Ruby could not have shot LHO with any certainty of hitting him due to the automobile being in the way. At best he could have shot AT him, but the chances of hitting him would have been greatly diminished. Why did the WC let this go then instead of looking at more closely why this car was NOT in place as it was supposed to be? This was without a doubt the number one reason why LHO was dead and this could NOT have been accomplished by Ruby with NO help.
We have seen in an earlier post too that Sheriff Bill Decker had passed on a death threat against LHO. In fact, several people took death threats the night before and into the early hours of November 24, 1963, so why was the security so lax during the transfer? Another thing to consider is what was covered in a previous about Patrick Dean. In that post we saw that Sheriff Bill Decker had been a CHARACTER WITNESS for Dallas Mafia Boss Joseph Civello when he went for a pardon for his narcotics conviction. Again, the WC did NOT explore this path either. Why?
The WC concluded this on page 231 of their Report about the failure of the transfer.
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The Commission concludes that the failure of the police to remove Oswald secretly or to control the crowd in the basement at the time of the transfer were the major causes of the security breakdown which let to Oswald’s death. (WCR, p. 231)
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0128a.htm
Quote off
We see the cover-up in play here as they do NOT mention the automobile NOT being in place as it should have been, and expected to be in place, by the detectives escorting LHO. This simple act would have saved LHO’s life. The closest we come to an explanation of why the car was NOT in place came during Detective Leavelle’s testimony. The crowd in the basement was NOT the problem either, but rather Ruby was and the automobile in place would have blocked him from easily shooting LHO up close. Also, despite the "failure" of the police and the man in charge of the transfer overall (Asst. Chief Batchelor) some would receive promotions rather than reprimands and discharges. Just like we saw in the post about the Secret Service (SS) no one was held accountable for the death of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) or LHO in this case. Why NOT?
After he made the comment posted above about the automobile not being in place the WC lawyer said this.
Mr. HUBERT. Of course, in that case the television cameras would have been blocked out?
Mr. LEAVELLE. That's true.
So with death threats against LHO they worried more about blocking a camera out than their prisoner’s safety. Unbelievable. The WC mentions in their Report the lack of secrecy in the LHO transfer, but they failed to mention this was suggested by Detective Leavelle. It came up immediately after the “car would have blocked the camera” stuff.
Mr. HUBERT. The car was not pulled back because pulling it back would block the----
Mr. LEAVELLE. That, I don't know. Of course, you are--according to one of my previous reports I earlier suggested to Captain Fritz that we make the suggestion to the chief that we take him out to the first floor and put him out at Main Street to a car and proceed to the county jail that way and leave them waiting in the basement and on Commerce Street, and we could be to the county jail before anyone knew what was taking place.
Mr. HUBERT. What time did you make that suggestion, sir?
Mr. LEAVELLE. That was either just before or just after--probably just after I had gone there and got Oswald and we were talking about the transfer.
Leavelle wanted to take LHO out the first floor and suggested this to Captain Fritz for approval by Chief Curry. What did Fritz do?
Mr. HUBERT. Who did you make that suggestion to?
Mr. LEAVELLE. I made it to Captain Fritz.
Mr. HUBERT. What answer did you receive from him?
Mr. LEAVELLE. Said he didn't think the chief would go for it.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he say why?
Mr. LEAVELLE. Because, he said, the chief had given his word to the press that they would transfer him at a time when they could make pictures.
First of all, why was Captain Fritz deciding for Chief Curry? Shouldn’t this have been sent to him for HIM to decide? Secondly, can anyone really believe the answer as to why? I mean, it sounds like Fritz is saying despite Curry knowing of death threats to LHO he would rather make the media happy than worry about the safety of his prisoner! Thirdly, this is the second odd thing Fritz had been involved in deciding. He gave the "okay" sign to Leavelle when the automobile was NOT in place and this made the shooting of LHO so much easier.
Clearly we see evidence from the twenty-six volumes that sink the conclusion the WC arrived at—which was Jack Ruby had NO help in his killing of LHO. Clearly this is a false claim. The sheer fact alone that LHO was transferred an HOUR AND TWENTY MINUTES LATER than what was broadcasted and yet he was still available for Ruby to shoot within minutes of his arrival in the basement. It is clear someone (or some group) was orchestrating this whole event.