Post by Rob Caprio on May 15, 2023 21:01:23 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was the sole assassin of President John F. Kennedy (JFK). They further claimed that LHO also shot and killed Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT) as well as fired a shot at General Edwin A. Walker (EAW).
The WC did not include evidence that supports these claims in their twenty-six volumes however, thus, we are left with a lot of questions. This post will look at an important claim made by the WC in regard to attempting to show that LHO was guilty of assassinating JFK.
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One of the main claims in attempting to show that LHO was guilty of killing JFK was the transportation of the alleged murder weapon from the Paine residence to the alleged crime scene -- the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) Building. They concocted a story full of allegations and short on supporting evidence to make it appear that LHO accomplished this task (see my various posts on the alleged paper bag for more details).
The key witness that they would use would be Wesley Frazier.
Wes Frazier had moved to Irving, Texas, just months before the assassination, and as luck would have it he stayed with his sister, Linne Mae Randle, who just happened to live within a half block of the Paine residence. Even more luck would allow Frazier to land a job at the TSBD so he could be available to provide rides to LHO when needed.
This is an important point and it needs to be answered in a serious manner Here is what Wes Frazier testified to regarding why LHO wanted a ride home on Thursday, November 21,1963.
Mr. BALL - ..Now, there was the one date that Oswald came to you and asked you to drive him back to Irving, it was not a Friday, was it?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; it wasn't.
Mr. BALL – It was on a Thursday.
Mr. FRAZIER – Right.
Mr. BALL - Was that the 21st of November?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Well, tell us about that.
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, we were standing like I said at the four-headed table about half as large as this, not, quite half as large, but anyway I was standing there getting the orders in and he said, "Could I ride home with you this afternoon?"
And I said, "Sure. You know, like I told you, you can go home with me any time you want to, like I say anytime you want to go see your wife that is all right with me."
So automatically I knew it wasn't Friday, I come to think it wasn't Friday and I said, "Why are you going home today?"
And he says, "I am going home to get some curtain rods." He said, "You know, put in an apartment."
He wanted to hang up some curtains and I said, "Very well." And I never thought more about it and I had some invoices in my hands for some orders and I walked on off and started filling the orders.
In this portion of his testimony he clearly states that LHO told him that he needed a ride to the Paine residence in Irving on Thursday to get curtain rods “to put in an apartment.” Frazier’s use of the word “apartment” is interesting as it is a stretch to call his boarding house room an apartment.
He further stated this same claim later on his testimony when he said he told his sister why he brought LHO to the Paine residence on Thursday.
Mr. BALL – Do you remember the night before, that is after you got home that night, that your sister asked you how it happened that Oswald came home with you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; I believe she did or something. We got to talking about something and said, I told her that he had rode home with me and told her he said he was going to come home and pick up some curtain rods or something. I usually don't talk too much to my sister, sometimes she is not there when I am in because she is either at the store or something like that…
This testimony is very illuminating. How can he think that LHO mentioned curtain rods (very specific) or “something” (very general)? Either he said curtain rods or he didn’t. Why couldn’t LHO have said “something” instead of curtain rods? Why do official narrative defenders latch onto curtain rods, but ignore “something?"
Furthermore, once again the WC luck is in play here. LHO’s alleged camera was only in working condition enough to take photographs on two occasions and that just happened to be when LHO allegedly wanted to take pictures of EAW’s house and photographs of himself with his alleged weapons! How lucky for the WC, huh? Here too their luck holds up as Frazier says, “I usually don't talk too much to my sister, sometimes she is not there when I am…”, but she was there to tell that night about LHO wanting a ride on Thursday night to get “curtain rods or something.” Then she would be there the next morning to see the alleged package that the WC claimed LHO carried his alleged rifle in. This one kind of backfired though as they both described a package too short to hold the broken down Mannlicher-Carcano (M-C) in.
The WC noticed this ambiguity as well and had Frazier clean it up.
Mr. BALL - Did you tell her what he had told you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. I believe she said why did he come home now and I said, well, he says he was going to get some curtain rods.
The “or something” is now gone, but in a court the defense would have had a say about this. This is why LHO was not permitted to make it to court.
They would have Frazier repeat this claim quite a few more times pertaining to LHO getting in and out of Frazier’s automobile. Now, let’s look at the comment that calls into question all these previous comments.
Mr. BALL – Before you left, did you look for Oswald to see about taking him home?
Mr. FRAZIER – No; I didn't, sir.
Mr. BALL - Was there some reason why you didn't?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; I did. Because like I told you, he was going home to get the curtain rods and I asked him at the time, the same time, it would be about that, would he be going home with me Friday afternoon like he had been doing, he said no. So naturally when they let us go I took on off because I thought maybe they had already dismissed him and he went on home.
Mr. BALL - When you talked to him on Thursday and he told you he wouldn't be going home on Friday, did he tell you what he was going to do, why he wasn't going to go home?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; he didn't.
Wes Frazier says he did not bother to look for LHO when he left the TSBD after the assassination because LHO had told him that he was not returning to the Paine residence because he had to “go home to GET some curtain rods”! This portion of Frazier’s testimony answers a number of questions.
Firstly, LHO did not consider the Paine residence to be his home as he was going home to get some curtain rods, but not returning to the Paine residence that afternoon. Secondly, this confirms that Wes Frazier too left the TSBD shortly after the assassination as he said that he was leaving the building and didn’t bother to look for LHO. Why do official narrative defenders never mention this? Why do they continually claim that LHO was the only missing TSBD employee shortly after the assassination?
Notice too by the question posed by Gerald Ford that Frazier was not impeded in anyway from going down to the basement or from departing from the TSBD.
Representative FORD - Did any of the policemen interfere with your efforts to go into the Building and eventually down into the basement where you had your lunch?
Mr. FRAZIER – No, sir; they didn't.
This is just another piece of evidence that shows that the Dallas Police Department (DPD) didn’t seem to consider the TSBD as the crime scene shortly after the assassination.
Finally, we come to the main point of this post. Was Frazier just confused when he stated that he didn’t bother to look for LHO after the assassination because LHO had told him that he was heading home after work (Friday) to get curtain rods? If so, why didn’t the WC clear this up? Or, was this the truth and the comments about LHO claiming that he was bringing curtain rods to work on Friday the falsehood?
This is key as it could singlehandedly destroy the WC’s claim that LHO brought his alleged rifle to work disguised as “curtain rods” (of course the fact that they couldn’t show that LHO made the bag, took it to Irving, put his disassembled alleged rifle in the bag that was too short to hold it, and that no one in the TSBD saw the bag after the assassination also destroyed the WC’s claim).
To me if it was pure confusion then the WC would have quickly attempted to clear this up like they did with the “something” comment. Based on this and his wording I believe he was not confused, but rather telling the truth. If LHO mentioned curtain rods it was that he planned to pick them up after work on Friday, not from the Paine residence on Thursday evening. We have testimony showing us why LHO actually went to the Paine residence on Thursday afternoon.
Mr. JENNER - Was Marina out on the lawn also?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes, sir. She apologized for his having come without permission and I said that was all right, and we said either then or later—I recall exchanging our opinion that this was a way of making up the quarrel or as close as he could come to an apology for the fight on the telephone, that his coming related to that, rather than anything else.
Mr. JENNER – That was her reaction to his showing up uninvited and unexpectedly on that particular afternoon, was it?
Mrs. PAINE - Well, it was rather my own, too.
Mr. JENNER - And it was your own?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - And because of this incident of the telephone call and your not being able to reach him, and the subsequent talk between Lee and Marina in which there had been some anger expressed, you girls reached the conclusion the afternoon of November 21 that he was home just to see if he could make up with Marina?
Mrs. PAINE – Yes.
This was much more valid of a reason for him coming to the Paine residence on Thursday afternoon than the alleged curtain rod claim. As we have also seen previously in in other posts, LHO never mentioned curtain rods to either Marina Oswald or Ruth Paine. I would also like to posit the curtain rods would appear much flatter in a blanket than a rifle would.
Mr. JENNER - For the record, I am placing the rifle in the folded blanket as Mrs. Paine folded it. This is being done without the rifle being dismantled. May the record show, Mr. Chairman, that the rifle fits well in the package from end to end, and it does not--
Mrs. PAINE – Can you make it flatter?
Mr. JENNER – No; because the rifle is now in there.
Mrs. PAINE - I just mean that--
Mr. JENNER - Was that about the appearance of the blanket wrapped package that you saw on your garage floor?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; although I recall it as quite flat.
Based on all of this evidence, and doubt, I think that once again the WC’s conclusion is incorrect.
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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was the sole assassin of President John F. Kennedy (JFK). They further claimed that LHO also shot and killed Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT) as well as fired a shot at General Edwin A. Walker (EAW).
The WC did not include evidence that supports these claims in their twenty-six volumes however, thus, we are left with a lot of questions. This post will look at an important claim made by the WC in regard to attempting to show that LHO was guilty of assassinating JFK.
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One of the main claims in attempting to show that LHO was guilty of killing JFK was the transportation of the alleged murder weapon from the Paine residence to the alleged crime scene -- the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) Building. They concocted a story full of allegations and short on supporting evidence to make it appear that LHO accomplished this task (see my various posts on the alleged paper bag for more details).
The key witness that they would use would be Wesley Frazier.
Wes Frazier had moved to Irving, Texas, just months before the assassination, and as luck would have it he stayed with his sister, Linne Mae Randle, who just happened to live within a half block of the Paine residence. Even more luck would allow Frazier to land a job at the TSBD so he could be available to provide rides to LHO when needed.
This is an important point and it needs to be answered in a serious manner Here is what Wes Frazier testified to regarding why LHO wanted a ride home on Thursday, November 21,1963.
Mr. BALL - ..Now, there was the one date that Oswald came to you and asked you to drive him back to Irving, it was not a Friday, was it?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; it wasn't.
Mr. BALL – It was on a Thursday.
Mr. FRAZIER – Right.
Mr. BALL - Was that the 21st of November?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Well, tell us about that.
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, we were standing like I said at the four-headed table about half as large as this, not, quite half as large, but anyway I was standing there getting the orders in and he said, "Could I ride home with you this afternoon?"
And I said, "Sure. You know, like I told you, you can go home with me any time you want to, like I say anytime you want to go see your wife that is all right with me."
So automatically I knew it wasn't Friday, I come to think it wasn't Friday and I said, "Why are you going home today?"
And he says, "I am going home to get some curtain rods." He said, "You know, put in an apartment."
He wanted to hang up some curtains and I said, "Very well." And I never thought more about it and I had some invoices in my hands for some orders and I walked on off and started filling the orders.
In this portion of his testimony he clearly states that LHO told him that he needed a ride to the Paine residence in Irving on Thursday to get curtain rods “to put in an apartment.” Frazier’s use of the word “apartment” is interesting as it is a stretch to call his boarding house room an apartment.
He further stated this same claim later on his testimony when he said he told his sister why he brought LHO to the Paine residence on Thursday.
Mr. BALL – Do you remember the night before, that is after you got home that night, that your sister asked you how it happened that Oswald came home with you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; I believe she did or something. We got to talking about something and said, I told her that he had rode home with me and told her he said he was going to come home and pick up some curtain rods or something. I usually don't talk too much to my sister, sometimes she is not there when I am in because she is either at the store or something like that…
This testimony is very illuminating. How can he think that LHO mentioned curtain rods (very specific) or “something” (very general)? Either he said curtain rods or he didn’t. Why couldn’t LHO have said “something” instead of curtain rods? Why do official narrative defenders latch onto curtain rods, but ignore “something?"
Furthermore, once again the WC luck is in play here. LHO’s alleged camera was only in working condition enough to take photographs on two occasions and that just happened to be when LHO allegedly wanted to take pictures of EAW’s house and photographs of himself with his alleged weapons! How lucky for the WC, huh? Here too their luck holds up as Frazier says, “I usually don't talk too much to my sister, sometimes she is not there when I am…”, but she was there to tell that night about LHO wanting a ride on Thursday night to get “curtain rods or something.” Then she would be there the next morning to see the alleged package that the WC claimed LHO carried his alleged rifle in. This one kind of backfired though as they both described a package too short to hold the broken down Mannlicher-Carcano (M-C) in.
The WC noticed this ambiguity as well and had Frazier clean it up.
Mr. BALL - Did you tell her what he had told you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. I believe she said why did he come home now and I said, well, he says he was going to get some curtain rods.
The “or something” is now gone, but in a court the defense would have had a say about this. This is why LHO was not permitted to make it to court.
They would have Frazier repeat this claim quite a few more times pertaining to LHO getting in and out of Frazier’s automobile. Now, let’s look at the comment that calls into question all these previous comments.
Mr. BALL – Before you left, did you look for Oswald to see about taking him home?
Mr. FRAZIER – No; I didn't, sir.
Mr. BALL - Was there some reason why you didn't?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; I did. Because like I told you, he was going home to get the curtain rods and I asked him at the time, the same time, it would be about that, would he be going home with me Friday afternoon like he had been doing, he said no. So naturally when they let us go I took on off because I thought maybe they had already dismissed him and he went on home.
Mr. BALL - When you talked to him on Thursday and he told you he wouldn't be going home on Friday, did he tell you what he was going to do, why he wasn't going to go home?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; he didn't.
Wes Frazier says he did not bother to look for LHO when he left the TSBD after the assassination because LHO had told him that he was not returning to the Paine residence because he had to “go home to GET some curtain rods”! This portion of Frazier’s testimony answers a number of questions.
Firstly, LHO did not consider the Paine residence to be his home as he was going home to get some curtain rods, but not returning to the Paine residence that afternoon. Secondly, this confirms that Wes Frazier too left the TSBD shortly after the assassination as he said that he was leaving the building and didn’t bother to look for LHO. Why do official narrative defenders never mention this? Why do they continually claim that LHO was the only missing TSBD employee shortly after the assassination?
Notice too by the question posed by Gerald Ford that Frazier was not impeded in anyway from going down to the basement or from departing from the TSBD.
Representative FORD - Did any of the policemen interfere with your efforts to go into the Building and eventually down into the basement where you had your lunch?
Mr. FRAZIER – No, sir; they didn't.
This is just another piece of evidence that shows that the Dallas Police Department (DPD) didn’t seem to consider the TSBD as the crime scene shortly after the assassination.
Finally, we come to the main point of this post. Was Frazier just confused when he stated that he didn’t bother to look for LHO after the assassination because LHO had told him that he was heading home after work (Friday) to get curtain rods? If so, why didn’t the WC clear this up? Or, was this the truth and the comments about LHO claiming that he was bringing curtain rods to work on Friday the falsehood?
This is key as it could singlehandedly destroy the WC’s claim that LHO brought his alleged rifle to work disguised as “curtain rods” (of course the fact that they couldn’t show that LHO made the bag, took it to Irving, put his disassembled alleged rifle in the bag that was too short to hold it, and that no one in the TSBD saw the bag after the assassination also destroyed the WC’s claim).
To me if it was pure confusion then the WC would have quickly attempted to clear this up like they did with the “something” comment. Based on this and his wording I believe he was not confused, but rather telling the truth. If LHO mentioned curtain rods it was that he planned to pick them up after work on Friday, not from the Paine residence on Thursday evening. We have testimony showing us why LHO actually went to the Paine residence on Thursday afternoon.
Mr. JENNER - Was Marina out on the lawn also?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes, sir. She apologized for his having come without permission and I said that was all right, and we said either then or later—I recall exchanging our opinion that this was a way of making up the quarrel or as close as he could come to an apology for the fight on the telephone, that his coming related to that, rather than anything else.
Mr. JENNER – That was her reaction to his showing up uninvited and unexpectedly on that particular afternoon, was it?
Mrs. PAINE - Well, it was rather my own, too.
Mr. JENNER - And it was your own?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - And because of this incident of the telephone call and your not being able to reach him, and the subsequent talk between Lee and Marina in which there had been some anger expressed, you girls reached the conclusion the afternoon of November 21 that he was home just to see if he could make up with Marina?
Mrs. PAINE – Yes.
This was much more valid of a reason for him coming to the Paine residence on Thursday afternoon than the alleged curtain rod claim. As we have also seen previously in in other posts, LHO never mentioned curtain rods to either Marina Oswald or Ruth Paine. I would also like to posit the curtain rods would appear much flatter in a blanket than a rifle would.
Mr. JENNER - For the record, I am placing the rifle in the folded blanket as Mrs. Paine folded it. This is being done without the rifle being dismantled. May the record show, Mr. Chairman, that the rifle fits well in the package from end to end, and it does not--
Mrs. PAINE – Can you make it flatter?
Mr. JENNER – No; because the rifle is now in there.
Mrs. PAINE - I just mean that--
Mr. JENNER - Was that about the appearance of the blanket wrapped package that you saw on your garage floor?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; although I recall it as quite flat.
Based on all of this evidence, and doubt, I think that once again the WC’s conclusion is incorrect.