Post by Rob Caprio on Aug 28, 2023 21:01:23 GMT -5
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Anyone that has followed this case or took the time to learn this case knows that the Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was wearing Commission Exhibit (CE) 150 when he was arrested. They also know this is a LONG-SLEEVE shirt. Keep that in mind.
The WC also claimed when LHO was arrested at the Texas Theater (TT) he had a revolver on him and that he tried to use it on a cop to avoid being arrested. This alleged revolver was entered into evidence as CE 143. The problem for the WC was the same problem they had for the rifle LHO allegedly owned -- they had NO evidence to show he ordered that specific weapon and received it at his Dallas P.O. Box. IOW's, they had NO way to LINK that pistol to LHO.
Let's get back to the claim about LHO pulling out the pistol in the theater. One witness there, George Applin (he would later tell us in an interview that Jack Ruby was in the theater too), described what he saw this way.
Keep in mind too that there was NO arrest warrant for LHO when he was arrested. Some could say this was an unlawful arrest since NO one in the TT saw LHO commit a crime. IF you do not have an arrest warrant, and the Dallas Police Department (DPD) did not have one, you have to witness a commission of a crime to arrest someone.
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Mr. BALL - Did you see a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.
Mr. BALL - Then did you see a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; but only--there was one gun. The pistol. It came into view before any of the other officers got there.
Mr. BALL - That is what I mean. What do you say happened about that? Who pulled a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, anyhow, the officer was facing this way [indicating] and Oswald was facing this way [indicating]. And then the gun was pointed out that way [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Wait a minute. I can't follow you when you say it was "this way," sir. You told me that this officer asked Oswald to stand up?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir
Mr. BALL - Did he stand up?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. BALL - Then did he put his hand some place on Oswald?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; along about
Mr. BALL - Where?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess about his hips.
Mr. BALL - Then what did Oswald do?
Mr. APPLIN - He took a right-hand swing at him.
Mr. BALL - What did the officer do?
Mr. APPLIN - The officer grabbed him then.
Mr. BALL - Had you seen the pistol up to that time?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; there was not one in view then.
Mr. BALL - How soon after that did you see the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was about--I guess it was about 2 or 3 seconds.
Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
As we have seen, the WC claimed LHO was wearing a LONG-SLEEVED shirt, so how could it be LHO pulling the gun when Applin said the man was wearing a short-sleeved shirt?
His comment about the gun not coming out until AFTER the four of five cops coming is interesting too, as why would LHO wait so long? Could it be one of these cops was the one to pull a pistol?
Let's look at Johnny Brewer's testimony now.
Mr. BELIN - Who hit who first?
Mr. BREWER - Oswald hit McDonald first, and he knocked him to the seat.
Mr. BELIN - Who knocked who?
Mr. BREWER - He knocked McDonald down. McDonald fell against one of the seats. And then real quick he was back up.
Mr. BELIN - When you say he was----
Mr. BREWER - McDonald was back up. He just knocked him down for a second and he was back up. And I jumped off the stage and was walking toward that, and I saw this gun come up and----in Oswald's hand, a gun up in the air.
How do we rectify this with what Applin saw? We don't. Why didn't they ask him what type of shirt the person with the gun had on? I am NOT out to defend LHO as the LNers claim, I am out for the truth. Given the FACT Brewer was so supposedly instrumental in getting the cops there we have to take his comments with a grain of salt with NO corroboration in my mind. He had a VESTED interest in making LHO sound guilty.
Look at this conflicting testimony here.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see from where the gun came?
Mr. BREWER - No.
Mr. BELIN - You saw the gun up in the air?
Mr. BREWER - And somebody hollered "He's got a gun."
And there were a couple of officers fighting him and taking the gun away from him, and they took the gun from him, and he was fighting, still fighting, and I heard some of the police holier, I don't know who it was, "Kill the President, will you." And I saw fists flying and they were hitting him.
Wow. Where to begin here? First of all, IF he did NOT know where the gun came from how can he be so certain it was LHO that drew it? Furthermore, just because someone yells "He's got a gun" does NOT mean he does. How many times have cops shot a suspect thinking they had a gun when NO gun was ever found on them? This cry could have been to set-up of the shooting of LHO for all we know.
He mentions LHO was fighting the cops a couple of times, but in the comments below he will say something TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Finally, we come to the statement about someone saying "Kill the President, will you." How in the world could they know this at this early stage UNLESS they knew he would be the patsy for the crime? Remember, he was ARRESTED for the murder of JDT at this point, NOT the killing of JFK.
Here is Brewer's conflicting comment.
Mr. BELIN - Was he fighting back at that time?
Mr. BREWER - Yes; he was fighting back.
Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?
Mr. BREWER - Well, just in a short time they put the handcuffs on him and they took him out.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see police officers hit him after they got the handcuffs on him?
Mr. BREWER - No; I didn't see them.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see any police officer hit Oswald after Oswald stopped fighting?
Mr. BREWER - No.
Mr. BELIN - Did you hear Oswald say anything?
Mr. BREWER - As they were taking him out, he stopped and turned around and hollered, "I am not resisting arrest," about twice. "I am not resisting arrest." And they took him on outside.
Does this make any sense to anyone reading this? Why would LHO fight like a madman supposedly in the theater where he could have been shot quite easily, but then say after he was subdued and handcuffed "I'm NOT resisting arrest"? This seems BACKWARDS to me, how about you?
Look at this interesting comment.
Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?
Mr. BREWER - Well, then, the police officers and plainclothesmen, whoever they were, got everybody that was in the theatre and set them aside, and another officer was taking their names and addresses of all the people that were in the theatre.
This is PROPER police procedure, but we are led to believe NO one did this for one of the main witnesses in the WC's arsenal -- Howard Brennan! NOT one cop, Secret Service (SS) Agent or FBI Agent could be found to say they were the one that took the description he allegedly gave at 12:45 P.M.! NOT one cop, SS Agent or FBI Agent had his name in their book like we see happening at the theater. Why not?
Why was this alleged description (minus the clothing) used to arrest LHO for the KILLING OF JDT when it went out as the for being the shooter of JFK?
www.archives.gov/files/publications/prologue/2017/fall/images/texas-theater.jpg
history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/pages/WH_Vol20_0012b.jpg
www.awesomestories.com/images/user/8d7578adac.jpg
Anyone that has followed this case or took the time to learn this case knows that the Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was wearing Commission Exhibit (CE) 150 when he was arrested. They also know this is a LONG-SLEEVE shirt. Keep that in mind.
The WC also claimed when LHO was arrested at the Texas Theater (TT) he had a revolver on him and that he tried to use it on a cop to avoid being arrested. This alleged revolver was entered into evidence as CE 143. The problem for the WC was the same problem they had for the rifle LHO allegedly owned -- they had NO evidence to show he ordered that specific weapon and received it at his Dallas P.O. Box. IOW's, they had NO way to LINK that pistol to LHO.
Let's get back to the claim about LHO pulling out the pistol in the theater. One witness there, George Applin (he would later tell us in an interview that Jack Ruby was in the theater too), described what he saw this way.
Keep in mind too that there was NO arrest warrant for LHO when he was arrested. Some could say this was an unlawful arrest since NO one in the TT saw LHO commit a crime. IF you do not have an arrest warrant, and the Dallas Police Department (DPD) did not have one, you have to witness a commission of a crime to arrest someone.
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Mr. BALL - Did you see a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.
Mr. BALL - Then did you see a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; but only--there was one gun. The pistol. It came into view before any of the other officers got there.
Mr. BALL - That is what I mean. What do you say happened about that? Who pulled a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, anyhow, the officer was facing this way [indicating] and Oswald was facing this way [indicating]. And then the gun was pointed out that way [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Wait a minute. I can't follow you when you say it was "this way," sir. You told me that this officer asked Oswald to stand up?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir
Mr. BALL - Did he stand up?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. BALL - Then did he put his hand some place on Oswald?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; along about
Mr. BALL - Where?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess about his hips.
Mr. BALL - Then what did Oswald do?
Mr. APPLIN - He took a right-hand swing at him.
Mr. BALL - What did the officer do?
Mr. APPLIN - The officer grabbed him then.
Mr. BALL - Had you seen the pistol up to that time?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; there was not one in view then.
Mr. BALL - How soon after that did you see the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was about--I guess it was about 2 or 3 seconds.
Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
As we have seen, the WC claimed LHO was wearing a LONG-SLEEVED shirt, so how could it be LHO pulling the gun when Applin said the man was wearing a short-sleeved shirt?
His comment about the gun not coming out until AFTER the four of five cops coming is interesting too, as why would LHO wait so long? Could it be one of these cops was the one to pull a pistol?
Let's look at Johnny Brewer's testimony now.
Mr. BELIN - Who hit who first?
Mr. BREWER - Oswald hit McDonald first, and he knocked him to the seat.
Mr. BELIN - Who knocked who?
Mr. BREWER - He knocked McDonald down. McDonald fell against one of the seats. And then real quick he was back up.
Mr. BELIN - When you say he was----
Mr. BREWER - McDonald was back up. He just knocked him down for a second and he was back up. And I jumped off the stage and was walking toward that, and I saw this gun come up and----in Oswald's hand, a gun up in the air.
How do we rectify this with what Applin saw? We don't. Why didn't they ask him what type of shirt the person with the gun had on? I am NOT out to defend LHO as the LNers claim, I am out for the truth. Given the FACT Brewer was so supposedly instrumental in getting the cops there we have to take his comments with a grain of salt with NO corroboration in my mind. He had a VESTED interest in making LHO sound guilty.
Look at this conflicting testimony here.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see from where the gun came?
Mr. BREWER - No.
Mr. BELIN - You saw the gun up in the air?
Mr. BREWER - And somebody hollered "He's got a gun."
And there were a couple of officers fighting him and taking the gun away from him, and they took the gun from him, and he was fighting, still fighting, and I heard some of the police holier, I don't know who it was, "Kill the President, will you." And I saw fists flying and they were hitting him.
Wow. Where to begin here? First of all, IF he did NOT know where the gun came from how can he be so certain it was LHO that drew it? Furthermore, just because someone yells "He's got a gun" does NOT mean he does. How many times have cops shot a suspect thinking they had a gun when NO gun was ever found on them? This cry could have been to set-up of the shooting of LHO for all we know.
He mentions LHO was fighting the cops a couple of times, but in the comments below he will say something TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Finally, we come to the statement about someone saying "Kill the President, will you." How in the world could they know this at this early stage UNLESS they knew he would be the patsy for the crime? Remember, he was ARRESTED for the murder of JDT at this point, NOT the killing of JFK.
Here is Brewer's conflicting comment.
Mr. BELIN - Was he fighting back at that time?
Mr. BREWER - Yes; he was fighting back.
Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?
Mr. BREWER - Well, just in a short time they put the handcuffs on him and they took him out.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see police officers hit him after they got the handcuffs on him?
Mr. BREWER - No; I didn't see them.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see any police officer hit Oswald after Oswald stopped fighting?
Mr. BREWER - No.
Mr. BELIN - Did you hear Oswald say anything?
Mr. BREWER - As they were taking him out, he stopped and turned around and hollered, "I am not resisting arrest," about twice. "I am not resisting arrest." And they took him on outside.
Does this make any sense to anyone reading this? Why would LHO fight like a madman supposedly in the theater where he could have been shot quite easily, but then say after he was subdued and handcuffed "I'm NOT resisting arrest"? This seems BACKWARDS to me, how about you?
Look at this interesting comment.
Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?
Mr. BREWER - Well, then, the police officers and plainclothesmen, whoever they were, got everybody that was in the theatre and set them aside, and another officer was taking their names and addresses of all the people that were in the theatre.
This is PROPER police procedure, but we are led to believe NO one did this for one of the main witnesses in the WC's arsenal -- Howard Brennan! NOT one cop, Secret Service (SS) Agent or FBI Agent could be found to say they were the one that took the description he allegedly gave at 12:45 P.M.! NOT one cop, SS Agent or FBI Agent had his name in their book like we see happening at the theater. Why not?
Why was this alleged description (minus the clothing) used to arrest LHO for the KILLING OF JDT when it went out as the for being the shooter of JFK?