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Post by Wade Frazier on Dec 15, 2018 2:57:26 GMT -5
Hi: I don’t know what this thread might turn into, but this will start a thread on the bigger picture around the JFK hit. Just why was he killed, if Oswald didn’t do it? When I began reading Gary Wean’s book in January 1989, I did not know much about the JFK hit. That was nearly 30 years ago, and I built a pretty good JFK section of my personal library since then. I have nothing but the greatest respect for Noam Chomsky, but I disagree with his Rethinking Camelot work, and side with Michael Parenti’s take on the situation. JFK might not have been left enough for the Left, but he was definitely nowhere near right enough for the Right, and they had the means, motive, and opportunity to take him out and cover it up. I’ll explore some of the more compelling aspects I have seen on what could have been the why behind JFK’s murder. Best, Wade
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Post by Rob Caprio on Dec 18, 2018 18:57:00 GMT -5
Hi: I don’t know what this thread might turn into, but this will start a thread on the bigger picture around the JFK hit. Just why was he killed, if Oswald didn’t do it? When I began reading Gary Wean’s book in January 1989, I did not know much about the JFK hit. That was nearly 30 years ago, and I built a pretty good JFK section of my personal library since then. I have nothing but the greatest respect for Noam Chomsky, but I disagree with his Rethinking Camelot work, and side with Michael Parenti’s take on the situation. JFK might not have been left enough for the Left, but he was definitely nowhere near right enough for the Right, and they had the means, motive, and opportunity to take him out and cover it up. I’ll explore some of the more compelling aspects I have seen on what could have been the why behind JFK’s murder. Best, Wade I look forward to this Wade.
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Post by Wade Frazier on Jan 22, 2019 7:16:50 GMT -5
Hi: I have been very busy on other projects lately, but I have a little time this morning. Over the weekend, there was a new call to investigate the major assassinations of the 1960s. There is plenty of Stürm und Drang right now over it, but I doubt that it will go anywhere. My sense of the JFK hit was that it was carried out by domestic interests, and that gets into the why of the JFK hit. I’ll agree that Trump is also a reluctant imperialist, but I doubt that the so-called Deep State is going to take him out like JFK was. JFK did many things to raise the ire of the American oligarchy, which was the ultimate reason for his assassination, IMO. Doug Caddy’s testimony is amazing (and he signed that petition), but I think that the ET angle is more of a proximate “last straw” reason, not the primary one. I can’t prove any of that, but that is my sense of it. Best, Wade
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Post by Rob Caprio on Jan 22, 2019 11:28:38 GMT -5
Hi: I have been very busy on other projects lately, but I have a little time this morning. Over the weekend, there was a new call to investigate the major assassinations of the 1960s. There is plenty of Stürm und Drang right now over it, but I doubt that it will go anywhere. My sense of the JFK hit was that it was carried out by domestic interests, and that gets into the why of the JFK hit. I’ll agree that Trump is also a reluctant imperialist, but I doubt that the so-called Deep State is going to take him out like JFK was. JFK did many things to raise the ire of the American oligarchy, which was the ultimate reason for his assassination, IMO. Doug Caddy’s testimony is amazing (and he signed that petition), but I think that the ET angle is more of a proximate “last straw” reason, not the primary one. I can’t prove any of that, but that is my sense of it. Best, Wade I agree with you Wade. JFK did many things that went off script. I was listening to a radio chat recently that mentioned a possible incident in Springfield, IL, in September 1962. Apparently two young men were caught with a rifle after they had it pointing out a window at the presidential car during a motorcade. I don't know if this was a real attempt or not, but JFK was a marked man for some time IMO.
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Post by Wade Frazier on May 15, 2019 9:22:41 GMT -5
Hi: I recently updated my cover-up essay, in preparation for updating my big essay, and the JFK section was revised a bit. My work on JFK is more about how Oswald was anything but the lone assassin, and how the official investigations were shams, more than it is about who did it and why, but I have my ideas on that, too. I have done this before, here and there, and I do it somewhat in my essay revision, but here I go again, partly to put some meat on the bones of my posts in this forum. Even a casual review of the JFK assassination issue brings up a bewildering range of evidence and theories. Some is active disinformation, purveyed by various interests, and I am sure that the CIA is behind at least some of it, and probably the FBI, too. The evidence that I consider the most persuasive, aside from Gary’s testimony, which I consider to be a fact, points very strongly to the idea that Oswald’s intelligence background got him fatally tangled in the JFK issue, and I recently published the “ wink” photo, to show how broken up LBJ was to ascend in that manner to the presidency. It is nothing short of mind-boggling for LBJ to trade a wink with a supporter as he is being sworn in next to a blood-spattered Jackie. LBJ was the immediate beneficiary of the JFK hit, and what is allegedly in those Pegasus tapes is no big surprise. If Allen Dulles was involved in planning it, that makes perfect sense, and aligns with my ideas of who pulled it off. LBJ stepped down within days of a visit from Wall Street’s “ Wise Men,” who told him how it was going to be. Doug Caddy’s incredible testimony, of what his pal E. Howard Hunt told him, is icing on the cake to me. Brian O’Leary’s life was shortened when he poked into the UFO issue, as the spooks play hardball. Uncle Noam’s work aside, JFK was a reluctant imperialist, and he came into office at odds with the CIA, as they murdered Lumumba before JFK even took office. They tried to overthrow the French government within days of the Bay of Pigs disaster, and the next year, de Gaulle was nearly assassinated by an operation that looked just like what happened in Dallas the year after that, and de Gaulle had no doubt that JFK was taken out in a similar, CIA-mounted effort. I think that JFK was taken out by the spooks, and the CIA in particular, who used contract agents and gangsters such as Jack Ruby, which was typical CIA behavior, and JFK was ultimately taken out by the CIA’s sponsors, which have always been Wall Street players. A book was written about JFK’s battles with Wall Street, and I have little doubt that the order for taking out JFK emanated from the Eastern Oligarchy, and the Rockefeller camp in particular. It would not surprise me at all if David Rockefeller gave the nod, and he had his oar in the water clear into his 90s, as his call to my former partner demonstrated. David was the “Chairman of the Board” of the Eastern Oligarchy, and the Rockefellers were involved in my journey more than once. However, the Rockefellers are not at the top of the global food chain, but down a level or two. You have never heard of the people who really run the world, other than some factions of organizations that people such as Greer have named. While I think that JFK was taken out by domestic interests, his broaching of the ET issue may have been the final nail in his coffin. I have long been on-board with the idea that the ET issue is not kept under wraps because of some benevolent protection of humanity’s fragile psyche, to prevent a War of the Worlds reaction, but to make sure that the ET technologies are kept under wraps. They don’t keep them under wraps to prevent a very short World War III being waged with them, but to preserve their earthly power. They know that it is Game Over for all elites on Earth if those transformative technologies made it into the public’s hands. Earth could look a lot like heaven then, but also, those at the top would no longer call the shots from their hidden thrones, and their lust for power is insatiable. Cooler heads may prevail at those levels, but I am not going to sit around and let them decide humanity’s fate. Who put them in charge? In that way, I have connections to the JFK hit that are far stronger and more significant than being Gary’s friend. So, that is my take on the why of the JFK hit. There were many overlapping interests and players, which is partly what has made the JFK assassination milieu such a circus. You can take any number of lines of evidence and disappear down those rabbit holes. I think that taking those rides can be very educational (and on other subjects), as long as you don’t get too lost and keep coming up for air. If I had not had my wild ride, I would likely not have much worth saying, and Gary was a key player in my journey and he will always be in my pantheon. His testimony deserves to be taken very seriously. Best, Wade
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Post by Rob Caprio on May 16, 2019 17:55:23 GMT -5
Hi: I recently updated my cover-up essay, in preparation for updating my big essay, and the JFK section was revised a bit. My work on JFK is more about how Oswald was anything but the lone assassin, and how the official investigations were shams, more than it is about who did it and why, but I have my ideas on that, too. I have done this before, here and there, and I do it somewhat in my essay revision, but here I go again, partly to put some meat on the bones of my posts in this forum. Even a casual review of the JFK assassination issue brings up a bewildering range of evidence and theories. Some is active disinformation, purveyed by various interests, and I am sure that the CIA is behind at least some of it, and probably the FBI, too. The evidence that I consider the most persuasive, aside from Gary’s testimony, which I consider to be a fact, points very strongly to the idea that Oswald’s intelligence background got him fatally tangled in the JFK issue, and I recently published the “ wink” photo, to show how broken up LBJ was to ascend in that manner to the presidency. It is nothing short of mind-boggling for LBJ to trade a wink with a supporter as he is being sworn in next to a blood-spattered Jackie. LBJ was the immediate beneficiary of the JFK hit, and what is allegedly in those Pegasus tapes is no big surprise. If Allen Dulles was involved in planning it, that makes perfect sense, and aligns with my ideas of who pulled it off. LBJ stepped down within days of a visit from Wall Street’s “ Wise Men,” who told him how it was going to be. Doug Caddy’s incredible testimony, of what his pal E. Howard Hunt told him, is icing on the cake to me. Brian O’Leary’s life was shortened when he poked into the UFO issue, as the spooks play hardball. Uncle Noam’s work aside, JFK was a reluctant imperialist, and he came into office at odds with the CIA, as they murdered Lumumba before JFK even took office. They tried to overthrow the French government within days of the Bay of Pigs disaster, and the next year, de Gaulle was nearly assassinated by an operation that looked just like what happened in Dallas the year after that, and de Gaulle had no doubt that JFK was taken out in a similar, CIA-mounted effort. I think that JFK was taken out by the spooks, and the CIA in particular, who used contract agents and gangsters such as Jack Ruby, which was typical CIA behavior, and JFK was ultimately taken out by the CIA’s sponsors, which have always been Wall Street players. A book was written about JFK’s battles with Wall Street, and I have little doubt that the order for taking out JFK emanated from the Eastern Oligarchy, and the Rockefeller camp in particular. It would not surprise me at all if David Rockefeller gave the nod, and he had his oar in the water clear into his 90s, as his call to my former partner demonstrated. David was the “Chairman of the Board” of the Eastern Oligarchy, and the Rockefellers were involved in my journey more than once. However, the Rockefellers are not at the top of the global food chain, but down a level or two. You have never heard of the people who really run the world, other than some factions of organizations that people such as Greer have named. While I think that JFK was taken out by domestic interests, his broaching of the ET issue may have been the final nail in his coffin. I have long been on-board with the idea that the ET issue is not kept under wraps because of some benevolent protection of humanity’s fragile psyche, to prevent a War of the Worlds reaction, but to make sure that the ET technologies are kept under wraps. They don’t keep them under wraps to prevent a very short World War III being waged with them, but to preserve their earthly power. They know that it is Game Over for all elites on Earth if those transformative technologies made it into the public’s hands. Earth could look a lot like heaven then, but also, those at the top would no longer call the shots from their hidden thrones, and their lust for power is insatiable. Cooler heads may prevail at those levels, but I am not going to sit around and let them decide humanity’s fate. Who put them in charge? In that way, I have connections to the JFK hit that are far stronger and more significant than being Gary’s friend. So, that is my take on the why of the JFK hit. There were many overlapping interests and players, which is partly what has made the JFK assassination milieu such a circus. You can take any number of lines of evidence and disappear down those rabbit holes. I think that taking those rides can be very educational (and on other subjects), as long as you don’t get too lost and keep coming up for air. If I had not had my wild ride, I would likely not have much worth saying, and Gary was a key player in my journey and he will always be in my pantheon. His testimony deserves to be taken very seriously. Best, Wade Very interesting. I have read that JFK knew about the alien thing as he was briefed in the 1940s by Forrestal who some say was a mentor to him. He wasn't supposed to know about that stuff though. What families do you put above the Rockefellers?
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Post by Wade Frazier on May 17, 2019 11:58:48 GMT -5
Hi Rob: As far as families go, there is certainly a dynastic aspect to the world’s power structure, but factions of the organizations that sit above the Rockefellers include the Mormon financial empire and the Jesuit order, and there have been interesting Jesuit anecdotes that may be related. Of course, Forrestal’s death has long been suspected to be ET-related. The Rothschild family also got involved in Dennis’s journey. As far as dynastic names go, they may be the two biggest, but the sense I have is that at the highest levels, it is not that dynastic, but more corporate. My CIA-contract-agent relative almost tried to recruit me into the “business,” so you can see a familial connection, even with the muscle. He worked for a household-name diplomat who worked for the Rockefellers. I doubt that my list will change much, on the levels of Earth’s power structure. It is not that interesting to me. I just acknowledge its existence, and try to guide my pupils away from drawing too much attention from them, although anybody who interacts with me, publicly or privately, likely ends up on the radar. But I would not worry about anything going on in this forum. I am the only person risking himself with my public work. Nobody who interacts with me is, at least not from the power structure. Proselytizing to their social circles is where they get into trouble, and I always do my best to discourage them from that. Few listen, and the best of them come to me after trying that route, usually with tales of ostracism. Best, Wade
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Post by Wade Frazier on May 17, 2019 13:49:56 GMT -5
Hi Rob: On the JFK-ET angle, that JFK would have known of the ETs in the 40s is no surprise. I could go on for days on that angle, to the Jackie Gleason connection, etc. Doug Caddy’s amazing testimony, of what his pal E . Howard Hunt told him, aligns nicely with the evidence. One of Greer’s Disclosure Project witnesses was the White House’s military attaché, who had a UFO conversation with JFK on Air Force One, on the way to his famous Berlin speech. Greer was given the famous Marilyn Monroe wiretap document via the NSA, and a book has been written about Monroe and that wiretap document. Gary was close to Monroe’s death, too, and knew that it was not a suicide. Monroe was in way over her head, which cost her her life. The entire situation can seem surreal, and I have several connections to that milieu, including the Frank Sinatra connection. The ET connection can seem bizarre, and you have to watch Caddy’s interview, in which he brings up that event, near the end of the interview, to get a feel for how extraordinary that disclosure was. Doug seems like the last person on Earth who would be interested in the ET/UFO milieu. Very strange material, and you have to be very well grounded to being navigating that terrain. Best, Wade
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Post by Rob Caprio on May 17, 2019 18:54:48 GMT -5
Hi Rob: As far as families go, there is certainly a dynastic aspect to the world’s power structure, but factions of the organizations that sit above the Rockefellers include the Mormon financial empire and the Jesuit order, and there have been interesting Jesuit anecdotes that may be related. Of course, Forrestal’s death has long been suspected to be ET-related. The Rothschild family also got involved in Dennis’s journey. As far as dynastic names go, they may be the two biggest, but the sense I have is that at the highest levels, it is not that dynastic, but more corporate. My CIA-contract-agent relative almost tried to recruit me into the “business,” so you can see a familial connection, even with the muscle. He worked for a household-name diplomat who worked for the Rockefellers. I doubt that my list will change much, on the levels of Earth’s power structure. It is not that interesting to me. I just acknowledge its existence, and try to guide my pupils away from drawing too much attention from them, although anybody who interacts with me, publicly or privately, likely ends up on the radar. But I would not worry about anything going on in this forum. :) I am the only person risking himself with my public work. Nobody who interacts with me is, at least not from the power structure. Proselytizing to their social circles is where they get into trouble, and I always do my best to discourage them from that. Few listen, and the best of them come to me after trying that route, usually with tales of ostracism. Best, Wade Hi Wade! I am not worried too much as all I know is what folks like you have passed on. Furthermore, all the top families are very large in size and it would be wrong to think that all of them are in on the bad things. I would imagine many of them are as in the dark as most ordinary people. Some researchers have named the Jesuits in JFK's assassination, but I avoid accusing anyone or any group without supporting evidence. Feel free to post anything that you like here as I, and others, would find it interesting. Best regards, Rob.
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Post by Wade Frazier on May 17, 2019 23:39:41 GMT -5
Hi Rob: You are right about the families, and the Rockefellers are a case in point. Greer’s mentor on the UFO issue was Laurance Rockefeller, and when Greer hung out with the Rockefellers, he could tell that they had handlers, to make sure that they stayed within the paradigm and didn’t do anything to rock the boat. David dabbled with the dark forces, while Laurance was the family’s philosopher-king, while Nelson played the retail political game. A member of Dennis’s organization once had lunch with a Rockefeller heir, and the heir said that he did not know of one family, at the dynastic wealth level, that built their fortunes honestly. They were all criminal enterprises, to one degree or another. The scions of those dynasties are mostly a bunch of clueless trust funders, but it seems that a few are picked to carry on. That is a pretty strange milieu. Best, Wade
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Post by Rob Caprio on May 18, 2019 20:00:14 GMT -5
Hi Rob: You are right about the families, and the Rockefellers are a case in point. Greer’s mentor on the UFO issue was Laurance Rockefeller, and when Greer hung out with the Rockefellers, he could tell that they had handlers, to make sure that they stayed within the paradigm and didn’t do anything to rock the boat. David dabbled with the dark forces, while Laurance was the family’s philosopher-king, while Nelson played the retail political game. A member of Dennis’s organization once had lunch with a Rockefeller heir, and the heir said that he did not know of one family, at the dynastic wealth level, that built their fortunes honestly. They were all criminal enterprises, to one degree or another. The scions of those dynasties are mostly a bunch of clueless trust funders, but it seems that a few are picked to carry on. That is a pretty strange milieu. Best, Wade I have read that the late producer Aaron Russo was close to one of the Rockefellers and got some inside information. Thanks for the information. Best regards, Rob
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Post by Wade Frazier on May 19, 2019 10:55:18 GMT -5
Hi Rob: You mean this? It is the standard NWO fare, and nothing would surprise me in those areas. For me, I try to not pay too much attention to the antics at those levels. Many of those plans and manipulations are real, and at various stages of implementation, but there is also division at those levels. My friend’s kidnapping and exotic technology show provides evidence that cooler heads may prevail. For me, it is enough to know that those technologies are real and what their potential is. I am trying to make it about what we do, not what they do. It is easy to fall into the conspiracist trap, and I never saw any good come from that. Best, Wade
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Post by Rob Caprio on May 19, 2019 22:55:18 GMT -5
Hi Rob: You mean this? It is the standard NWO fare, and nothing would surprise me in those areas. For me, I try to not pay too much attention to the antics at those levels. Many of those plans and manipulations are real, and at various stages of implementation, but there is also division at those levels. My friend’s kidnapping and exotic technology show provides evidence that cooler heads may prevail. For me, it is enough to know that those technologies are real and what their potential is. I am trying to make it about what we do, not what they do. It is easy to fall into the conspiracist trap, and I never saw any good come from that. Best, Wade I agree as I doubt they would be sharing such information, but if they did I don't think that they would allow him to disclose it.
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Post by Wade Frazier on May 19, 2019 23:04:10 GMT -5
Yep, I don't trust so-called "insider" stuff much.
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Post by Wade Frazier on May 20, 2019 5:50:34 GMT -5
Hi: Yesterday, I was reading that new book on the astronauts, and I read the chapter on Philip Chapman, the first Australian astronaut and who was in Brian’s astronaut group. His life was as eventful as Brian’s in ways. There were no slouches in the astronaut corps. However, the chapter on Chapman, and the book in general, was very frank on the political nature of NASA and the astronaut corps. Astronauts fought over assignments, and the politicking was intense. The astronaut corps was pretty dysfunctional. Not long ago, I read Buzz Aldrin state that his lunar adventure largely led to envy and jealousy among his astronautic brethren, not happiness for him and appreciation. I have had to long ponder the unsavory aspects of NASA’s culture, beginning when the military took vengeance on my father’s abandonment of the Space Race, and Brian’s first book was the first critical insider account of the astronaut corps. To this day, NASA fanboys are uniformly disdainful of Brian and his “disrespect” of NASA, but his formerly “radical” views have become increasingly mainstream, and as a pal wrote in recent years, who worked in Mission Control and helped put the ISS in orbit, today’s NASA is a pale shadow of its glory days in the 1960s, full of glory hounds and wannabees, trying to recapture the cachet of those halcyonic days. Today, in sober NASA scholarship and commentary, I see Brian’s NASA observations quoted more as sage and prescient reflections, far ahead of his time, than I do the disdain that marked his last years, when he didn’t even have a bio at NASA’s site. But in the days since I was a space brat, many dark aspects of the USA’s space efforts have come to my attention. Where to even start? I suppose that I could start with the NASA Nazis, led by Werner von Braun, who was the reason why Brian was hired as an astronaut, as the first talent in the stable for von Braun’s Mars dreams. Last year, I read several books on Operation Paperclip, and von Braun came off as kind of a monster. An SS-man, von Braun was proud of the slave workforce that he assembled to work on the V-2 rockets. The V-2 was almost exclusively aimed at cities, which was a war crime in itself (but the USA dwarfed those crimes, in the end), but more than 20,000 people died to make those V-2s. After their capture by the Americans, von Braun acted like a rock star, signing autographs and the like. It was all pretty macabre. But the USA could not get enough German scientists with the desired credentials, and it quickly turned a blind eye to scientists and doctors who performed human experiments in the death camps, and put them on the American payroll while covering up their past in the name of national security. Disney made von Braun into a household name in the 1950s, as he hosted a show for the kiddies and designed a Disneyland ride, and his sidekick helped Disney promote nuclear energy to children. That was all before the Space Race, and JFK did not even want a space race, but tried to end it soon before he was murdered, and that effort might be why he was murdered. Greer has long maintained that Armstrong and Aldrin had an ET encounter on the Moon, and that was partly why they were such “changed” men when they returned. I have been given inside information on astronautic encounters with ETs in space (including a rather spectacular encounter), and when Brian poked his nose into the UFO issue, it shortened his life, courtesy of the American military. I was recently contacted by a relative of a Moon-walking astronaut, because of my Apollo section of my cover-up essay. It is pretty dark stuff, all around. Buzz Aldrin was so rudderless after returning from the Moon that he ended up in a mental institution and tried his hand at selling cars, before Brian got him a job. Brian lost his job there, because he refused to work on Reagan’s Star Wars project. I could go on for days on that stuff, but let’s just say that the heroic sheen of the Apollo days has dimmed quite a bit for me over the years, not the least of which was my nation’s inflicting an indefensible genocide at the same time. In the midst of all of that, Brian wondered about the Moon landings, which created a firestorm of controversy that he regretted until his life’s end. I need to finish up this JFK/ET business soon and get on to my essay update and other chores, but I’ll say that if you had told me when I was 25 that my journey would bring me into contact with Gary, Brian, Dennis, and others, in situations in which I would encounter inside information on the JFK hit, on ETs, on the realities of free energy and the like, I would not have believed you. I still look back on my journey and wonder if it really happened that way, and I lived it, so I can appreciate “skepticism” of the reality of my journey and those of my fellow travelers. But true skepticism means getting out of one’s armchair and finding out for one’s self, not what the “ skeptics” do. There are still some JFK posts coming, but the end is near for them for now. Best, Wade
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