Post by Rob Caprio on Aug 18, 2019 20:20:54 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) said Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) shot and killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT) all by himself on November 22, 1963, with NO assistance from anyone. I have looked at forgotten witnesses before and this post will look at some more.
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Warren Reynolds was a part owner in the “Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot” which was located at 500 Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas. On November 22, 1963, he would observe an individual run by his used car lot while he was sitting in his office. He noted that the person was running south on Patton and headed toward Jefferson. When he reached Jefferson, he changed to a fast walk and headed west on that street. Reynolds noticed that the person had either a revolver or an automatic pistol in his hand and was trying to conceal it in his belt as he running. Due to him having heard shots previously he said he thought perhaps a “marital argument“ had taken place and he tried to follow the individual he saw. His goal was to alert the Dallas Police Department (DPD) of his location.
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He advised he stayed at a safe distance behind the individual and last observed the individual to turn north by the Ballew Texaco Service Station, and from this point he did not again observe the individual. He advised he made inquiry at Ballew's Texaco Service Station, and they informed him the individual had gone through the parking lot.
REYNOLDS advised approximately five or ten minutes later he was informed by an unknown source that the individual whom he had been "tailing" had shot and apparently killed a uniform officer of the Dallas Police Department.
REYNOLDS was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, at which time he advised he is of the opinion OSWALD is the person he had followed on the afternoon of November 22, 1963; however, he would hesitate to definitely identify OSWALD as the individual. (FBI Interview with Warren Reynolds on January 21, 1964, Commission Exhibit (CE) 2523, p. 731)
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We see several things in this short report that jump out at us. Again, as we have seen SO MANY TIMES BEFORE, Reynolds is given information regarding the murder of JDT by an UNKNOWN source that the person he was tailing was the killer. How would this person know this? How would anyone at the Ballew Texaco Service Station know who shot JDT for sure? Also, we have seen that while Reynolds said LHO looked similar to the man he saw and followed, he would NOT say definitely that it was LHO that he saw and followed. This interview took place on January 21, 1964, and this was the FIRST time anyone from the DPD or FBI had bothered to interview him about what he saw that day. Why the delay?
Just TWO days after giving his FIRST interview with the FBI Reynolds would be shot in the head by an unknown assailant! Does anyone else find this to be more than just another coincidence? This shooting would go totally unnoticed by the FBI as the DPD did not involve them in their investigation of the shooting. One would think the FBI would find this interesting (as they had to know) as a witness they had just interviewed was shot, but they did NOT look into this at all officially. Neither would they or the DPD inform the WC about the this shooting, but the WC did hear it from one witness, General Edwin Walker (EAW), who was the ONLY individual who took a real interest as we have seen in other posts in this series.
The DPD would eventually get a suspect in the shooting, Darrell Wayne Garner, and he would receive an alibi from an unusual source. Betty Mooney MacDonald (a.k.a. Nancy Mooney) was a former strip-tease dancer and on February 5, 1964, she would provide an alibi for Garner. She made a statement and took a polygraph test and based on these it was determined by the DPD that it could not have been Garner, thus, he was released. She would tell Detective Ramsey that she had worked as a stripper for Jack Ruby at the Carousel Club, but this was never substantiated according to the DPD. (CE 2589)
In the document that goes over this, CE 2589, we see the following comments written.
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The day after the shooting, January 24, 1964, an anonymous telephone caller advised Johnny Reynolds to go see “DAGO” (Garner’s nickname) and hung up.
It was determined that Darrell Wayne Garner owned a 1961 Ford Falcon…
On February 3, 1964, Darrell Wayne Garner made a long distance telephone call to Mrs. Billie Blaylock, Las Vegas, Nevada, his sister-in-law, and advised her he had shot Warren Reynolds….On February 4, 1964, Garner stated that he had been bragging to his sister-in-law so she would think he was a big shot.
Interviews with George Senator, Ruby’s former roommate, and with present employees of the Carousel Club failed to identify Nancy Mooney as a former stripper at the club….no information was received to the effect that Nancy Jane Mooney, also known as Betty Mac Donald, had ever been employed at the Carousel Club in Dallas, Texas, for Jack L. Ruby. (CE 2589, pp. 3-4)
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In these statements we see that Garner admitted to his sister-in-law that he did shoot Reynolds, but it was chalked up to him “making comments like this when he was drunk” by the DPD. Where did they get this idea from? From Garner himself and they willingly took the excuse as if it were true. Why? Who reading this goes around claiming to shoot people simply because you drank too much alcohol? How do we explain the anonymous call to Warren Reynolds’ brother the day after the shooting telling him to “go see DAGO”? Was that person drinking too much too?
Also notice that Garner owned a 1961 Ford Falcon and we have seen that type of car mentioned a lot in this case. Is this just another coincidence? On February 13, 1964, Nancy Mooney would be arrested for disturbing the peace when she got into an altercation with Patsy Moore due to a man by the name of Jimmy Kirkpatrick. After this brief description of why Mooney was arrested we get this equally short and cold description of what happened next.
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After being placed in a cell at the Dallas City Jail, Nancy Mooney hung herself with her toreador trousers, causing death by asphyxiation. (CE 2589, p. 5)
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Why did she hang herself? Is this normal following a routine disturbing the peace charge? We would be told by a William Goode, a person who had claimed to know Mooney for six weeks, that she had tried to commit suicide two previous times since he had known her. Goode claimed that the first attempt involved her trying to gas herself in her bathroom, but he arrived and revived her. The second attempt involved her cutting her wrists, but again she was unsuccessful. The report then mentions she had scars on her wrists and on her stomach and that Mooney allegedly told Goode that she had done this to herself. (Ibid) What is lacking in the report is any documentation from a hospital showing they treated her for slashing her wrists and one would expect her to have gone to an hospital for treatment. Why? The report just takes the word of a man, Goode, who only knew her for six weeks supposedly. Again, why did the DPD not check this out more? Also, they again did not inform the FBI of this incident as they had not of the Warren Reynods shooting (although how the FBI Dallas office did not hear about this stuff is beyond me).
I did find an article on John McAdams’ website written by Magen Knuth entitlted, Dead in the Wake of the Kennedy Assassination--Nancy Mooney: Mysterious Death? that includes a supposed autopsy report regarding her. I say supposed because of the date.
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After her death, Mooney was autopsied by Dallas County Medical Examiner, Earl F. Rose, MD. The autopsy confirms these scars. The autopsy report, dated February 13, 1953 at 10:05 a.m. states "there is a right lower quadrant [stomach area] 2 ½ inch stria which is irregular, it gives the appearance of a scar...There is a transverse 1 5/8 inch reddish-pink scar on the volar aspect of the right wrist...[On the] volar aspect of the right wrist there are four transverse scars measuring 1 ½, 2, 1 ¼ and 1 ½ inches. These tend to be parallel."
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Even if we allow for a typographical mistake in regard to the year, i.e., 1953 instead of 1963, we still have the wrong time as she allegedly committed suicide in 1964! How do we get a mistake involving ELEVEN years? While this report mentions a scar on the right wrist it does NOT indicate if it is a recent scar or not. Goode said he only knew Mooney for the last six weeks of her life and she attempted suicide “by cutting her WRISTS” the second time, thus, this was even closer to her death. Also, Goode said she had cut BOTH wrists, but there is no mention of a scar on the left wrist in this supposed autopsy summary. Why NOT?
This article also says Mooney had a blood alcohol level of “0.169%” on the night she died and it states “Alcohol contributes to a more depressed state of mind.” It also makes some people sleepy and also makes me wonder how she was able to hang herself in this condition! What about you? The article mentions that, “They explained that the autopsy shows there were minimal abrasions and no evidence of recent bruises on Mooney's face or body. This is evidence that there was no struggle.” It could also show she was fed a lot of alcohol or drugged before she was hanged. This is not absurd as many have said Mary Jo Kopechne was drugged or filled with alcohol before she was pushed off the road and into the water.
Another person who would know Mooney for six weeks was Patsy Moore. This is the same person she had gotten into a fight with to be arrested in the first place. No mention is made of why Patsy Moore was NOT arrested too
in this report. Moore shared an apartment with Mooney and they both worked at Mickey’s Bar. According to Moore she had been told by Mooney that she had four children who were living in Paris, Texas, with her mother. She claimed Mooney said her children had been taken away from her and this made Mooney very “despondent at times.” (Ibid) She corroborated what Detective Ramsey had said about Mooney having worked at Ruby’s Carousel Club. What we don’t see is any mention of the TWO suicide attempts Goode said Mooney attempted. Why NOT?
The first media report mentioning all of this was done in the New York Journal-American by Bob Considine on February 23, 1964. (CE 342) He erroneously says that Reynolds “put the finger on LHO” as the man who shot JDT and we know that from Reynolds own comment to the FBI. Furthermore, I doubt Reynolds would have been shot IF he had put the finger on LHO as the shooter of JDT. Despite this article making everything in this post so far known to a much wider audience the DPD and WC still ignored all of this as much as they could. One witness would make them aware of this article and the stories of Reynolds and Mooney before the WC.
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Mr. RANKIN. That has been marked Commission Exhibit 342. This is an article appearing in the New York Journal American Sunday, February 23….This consists of two separate pages, does it not?
Mr. LANE. It does-- dated Sunday, February 23, 1964,…This is an article written by Bob Considine, who enjoys a reputation for being an excellent reporter. Mr. Considine states in his article that an eyewitness to the shooting of Officer Tippit by the name of Warren Reynolds was himself recently shot through the head by a man with a rifle.
Now, I don't believe that it is alleged that Reynolds actually saw the person pull the trigger which sent the bullets at Officer Tippit. As I understand it, Mr. Reynolds has stated that he, Reynolds, heard the shot, the shooting, left his office and saw a man running away, placing new shells into a pistol as he ran away. And Mr. Considine indicates that Reynolds thereafter identified Oswald as the person who was running from the scene….Mr. Considine indicates that a person was picked up in the Dallas area and charged with the shooting, but that someone who Mr. Considine refers to as "his girl"--I assume he is making reference to the gentleman who was charged with the attack upon Reynolds--testified in such a fashion, and took a lie detector test, so that the person charged with the crime was released.
This person, Betty Mooney MacDonald, who helped to free her friend, according to Mr. Considine, herself had worked as a stripper in the Carousel Club in Dallas, owned by Jack Ruby. Two weeks before this article was written, Miss MacDonald was herself arrested for a fight with her roommate, and the week before the article was written, Mr. Considine states she hanged herself in her cell. I would request the Commission to investigate into these series of most unusual coincidences, to see if they have any bearing upon the basic matter pending before the Commission.
Despite this plea by Mark Lane the WC did not insist that the FBI investigate this crime and just took the word of the DPD as an explanation for all of this. Captain O.A. Jones was charged with both the Reynolds and Mooney cases (and one has to wonder why since he was in the FORGERY Bureau of the DPD). He was also assigned the EAW shooting and again one has to wonder why a person in the Forgery Bureau was being assigned cases that involved shootings and hanging. When he was called by the WC, Captain Jones was NOT asked one question about Reynolds, Mooney or the EAW shooting. Why NOT?
About the only part of all of this the WC was interested in was the part where Mooney had said she had worked at the Carousel Club. They did give some effort to finding out if this was true or not. We saw Ruby’s roommate, George Senator, had said he didn’t think so. The WC would also ask Andrew Armstrong about this in his WC testimony.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, did you know one by the name of Betty MacDonald?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever hear of a girl who had worked at the Carousel as either a waitress' or a stripper who committed suicide about the middle of February of this year?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. And any of those names--Betty MacDonald or Nancy Jo Mooney mean nothing to you?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. There was a girl named Nancy who worked at the club for a few nights or a few weeks--I don't recall…but I remember writing the name Nancy as a waitress.
Obviously this is not conclusive, but it does show there was a possibility of it being true. Of course the WC said otherwise in their Report.
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Investigation revealed no evidence that she had ever worked at the Carousel Club. Employees of the club had no recollection that she had ever worked there. (WCR, p. 663)
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What would have been in it for Mooney to say she worked there if she had not? Also, why was there an "investigation" into this, but NOT her death by the WC and FBI?
Warren Reynolds would testify before the WC on July 22, 1964. He would be shown a picture of LHO handing out Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC) leaflets and he would say the following.
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Mr. LIEBELER. Let me show you some pictures that we have here. I show you a picture that has been marked Garner Exhibit No. 1 and ask you if that is the man that you saw going down the street on the 22d of November as you have already told us.
Mr.REYNOLDS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. You later identified that man as Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr.REYNOLDS. In my mind.
And yet, he had said this earlier to the FBI before he got shot.
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REYNOLDS was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, at which time he advised he is of the opinion OSWALD is the person he had followed on the afternoon of November 22, 1963; however, he would hesitate to definitely identify OSWALD as the individual. (FBI Interview with Warren Reynolds on January 21, 1964, Commission Exhibit (CE) 2523, p. 731)
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So what made him positively identify LHO as the shooter during his WC testimony? What had changed in his mind? Obviously, in a court of law this would have been called into question and in all likelihood over-turned as the comments closer to the event are more reliable.
The WC just took the word of the report the FBI did based on what the DPD told them regarding Mooney’s penchant for suicide. We see this in Reynolds testimony.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know Nancy J. Mooney?
Mr.REYNOLDS. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. Have you ever heard of her?
Mr.REYNOLDS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. What have you heard?
Mr.REYNOLDS. I heard that' she was with Garner the night that I got shot. I heard that she took a lie detector test that helped free him. I heard that a few days later she was caught fighting and they put her in jail, and she hung herself. I heard that she formerly worked for Jack Ruby as a stripper.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know who told you that?
Mr.REYNOLDS. I read it in Bob Considine's article.
Mr. LIEBELER. Is that the only source of your information concerning Nancy J. Mooney?
Mr.REYNOLDS. The police told me that she had hung herself and that she was the one that was with Garner. Everybody calls him "Dago."
Mr. LIEBELER. Did the police department tell you that she had worked for Jack Ruby?
Mr.REYNOLDS. No.
Funny how the loose lipped DPD did NOT mention that she may have worked at Jack Ruy’s Carousel Club, huh? They told him other things, but left that part out. Questions abound in this area of the case too.
Why was Patsy Moore NOT arrested, but Mooney was when BOTH were involved in the fight? Why did Patsy Moore never mention any suicide attempts by Mooney as Goode did? Why is the supposed autopsy report of Mooney dated ELEVEN years too early? Why is NO scar mentioned on the left writs when Goode said she cut “both wrists” in her second suicide attempt? Why were records [payroll, social security AVGA* (American Guild of Variety Artists-entertainers had to be members to perform at Ruby’s club), etc…] not checked to see if Mooney had worked at the Carousel Club for a time? Why did the WC just take Senator’s and Armstrong’s word for it (in all fairness, Armstrong did NOT rule it out)?
No one tied to this area of the case was either called to answer these questions [Goode, Ramsey, Moore, etc…] or were asked these questions when they were called [Captain O.A. Jones]. Why not? What kind of investigation constantly leave more UNANSWERED questions than answers? We see this throughout this entire case.
* For more on the AVGA see former branch manager Thomas Palmer’s testimony as he went over a lot of things regarding Carousel employees, but he was NOT asked about Mooney (or Mac Donald) at all. Why?
Why did Warren Reynolds become “positive” that the man he saw running near his business office was LHO in July 1964, when he was NOT positive on January 21, 1964? Oh, and the thing that happened in between was that he was shot in the head!
I think we see again there is much evidence in the WC’s twenty-six volumes of Hearings & Exhibits that differs from the conclusions they reached in their Report, thus, they are sunk.
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The Warren Commission (WC) said Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) shot and killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT) all by himself on November 22, 1963, with NO assistance from anyone. I have looked at forgotten witnesses before and this post will look at some more.
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Warren Reynolds was a part owner in the “Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot” which was located at 500 Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas. On November 22, 1963, he would observe an individual run by his used car lot while he was sitting in his office. He noted that the person was running south on Patton and headed toward Jefferson. When he reached Jefferson, he changed to a fast walk and headed west on that street. Reynolds noticed that the person had either a revolver or an automatic pistol in his hand and was trying to conceal it in his belt as he running. Due to him having heard shots previously he said he thought perhaps a “marital argument“ had taken place and he tried to follow the individual he saw. His goal was to alert the Dallas Police Department (DPD) of his location.
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He advised he stayed at a safe distance behind the individual and last observed the individual to turn north by the Ballew Texaco Service Station, and from this point he did not again observe the individual. He advised he made inquiry at Ballew's Texaco Service Station, and they informed him the individual had gone through the parking lot.
REYNOLDS advised approximately five or ten minutes later he was informed by an unknown source that the individual whom he had been "tailing" had shot and apparently killed a uniform officer of the Dallas Police Department.
REYNOLDS was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, at which time he advised he is of the opinion OSWALD is the person he had followed on the afternoon of November 22, 1963; however, he would hesitate to definitely identify OSWALD as the individual. (FBI Interview with Warren Reynolds on January 21, 1964, Commission Exhibit (CE) 2523, p. 731)
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We see several things in this short report that jump out at us. Again, as we have seen SO MANY TIMES BEFORE, Reynolds is given information regarding the murder of JDT by an UNKNOWN source that the person he was tailing was the killer. How would this person know this? How would anyone at the Ballew Texaco Service Station know who shot JDT for sure? Also, we have seen that while Reynolds said LHO looked similar to the man he saw and followed, he would NOT say definitely that it was LHO that he saw and followed. This interview took place on January 21, 1964, and this was the FIRST time anyone from the DPD or FBI had bothered to interview him about what he saw that day. Why the delay?
Just TWO days after giving his FIRST interview with the FBI Reynolds would be shot in the head by an unknown assailant! Does anyone else find this to be more than just another coincidence? This shooting would go totally unnoticed by the FBI as the DPD did not involve them in their investigation of the shooting. One would think the FBI would find this interesting (as they had to know) as a witness they had just interviewed was shot, but they did NOT look into this at all officially. Neither would they or the DPD inform the WC about the this shooting, but the WC did hear it from one witness, General Edwin Walker (EAW), who was the ONLY individual who took a real interest as we have seen in other posts in this series.
The DPD would eventually get a suspect in the shooting, Darrell Wayne Garner, and he would receive an alibi from an unusual source. Betty Mooney MacDonald (a.k.a. Nancy Mooney) was a former strip-tease dancer and on February 5, 1964, she would provide an alibi for Garner. She made a statement and took a polygraph test and based on these it was determined by the DPD that it could not have been Garner, thus, he was released. She would tell Detective Ramsey that she had worked as a stripper for Jack Ruby at the Carousel Club, but this was never substantiated according to the DPD. (CE 2589)
In the document that goes over this, CE 2589, we see the following comments written.
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The day after the shooting, January 24, 1964, an anonymous telephone caller advised Johnny Reynolds to go see “DAGO” (Garner’s nickname) and hung up.
It was determined that Darrell Wayne Garner owned a 1961 Ford Falcon…
On February 3, 1964, Darrell Wayne Garner made a long distance telephone call to Mrs. Billie Blaylock, Las Vegas, Nevada, his sister-in-law, and advised her he had shot Warren Reynolds….On February 4, 1964, Garner stated that he had been bragging to his sister-in-law so she would think he was a big shot.
Interviews with George Senator, Ruby’s former roommate, and with present employees of the Carousel Club failed to identify Nancy Mooney as a former stripper at the club….no information was received to the effect that Nancy Jane Mooney, also known as Betty Mac Donald, had ever been employed at the Carousel Club in Dallas, Texas, for Jack L. Ruby. (CE 2589, pp. 3-4)
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In these statements we see that Garner admitted to his sister-in-law that he did shoot Reynolds, but it was chalked up to him “making comments like this when he was drunk” by the DPD. Where did they get this idea from? From Garner himself and they willingly took the excuse as if it were true. Why? Who reading this goes around claiming to shoot people simply because you drank too much alcohol? How do we explain the anonymous call to Warren Reynolds’ brother the day after the shooting telling him to “go see DAGO”? Was that person drinking too much too?
Also notice that Garner owned a 1961 Ford Falcon and we have seen that type of car mentioned a lot in this case. Is this just another coincidence? On February 13, 1964, Nancy Mooney would be arrested for disturbing the peace when she got into an altercation with Patsy Moore due to a man by the name of Jimmy Kirkpatrick. After this brief description of why Mooney was arrested we get this equally short and cold description of what happened next.
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After being placed in a cell at the Dallas City Jail, Nancy Mooney hung herself with her toreador trousers, causing death by asphyxiation. (CE 2589, p. 5)
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Why did she hang herself? Is this normal following a routine disturbing the peace charge? We would be told by a William Goode, a person who had claimed to know Mooney for six weeks, that she had tried to commit suicide two previous times since he had known her. Goode claimed that the first attempt involved her trying to gas herself in her bathroom, but he arrived and revived her. The second attempt involved her cutting her wrists, but again she was unsuccessful. The report then mentions she had scars on her wrists and on her stomach and that Mooney allegedly told Goode that she had done this to herself. (Ibid) What is lacking in the report is any documentation from a hospital showing they treated her for slashing her wrists and one would expect her to have gone to an hospital for treatment. Why? The report just takes the word of a man, Goode, who only knew her for six weeks supposedly. Again, why did the DPD not check this out more? Also, they again did not inform the FBI of this incident as they had not of the Warren Reynods shooting (although how the FBI Dallas office did not hear about this stuff is beyond me).
I did find an article on John McAdams’ website written by Magen Knuth entitlted, Dead in the Wake of the Kennedy Assassination--Nancy Mooney: Mysterious Death? that includes a supposed autopsy report regarding her. I say supposed because of the date.
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After her death, Mooney was autopsied by Dallas County Medical Examiner, Earl F. Rose, MD. The autopsy confirms these scars. The autopsy report, dated February 13, 1953 at 10:05 a.m. states "there is a right lower quadrant [stomach area] 2 ½ inch stria which is irregular, it gives the appearance of a scar...There is a transverse 1 5/8 inch reddish-pink scar on the volar aspect of the right wrist...[On the] volar aspect of the right wrist there are four transverse scars measuring 1 ½, 2, 1 ¼ and 1 ½ inches. These tend to be parallel."
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Even if we allow for a typographical mistake in regard to the year, i.e., 1953 instead of 1963, we still have the wrong time as she allegedly committed suicide in 1964! How do we get a mistake involving ELEVEN years? While this report mentions a scar on the right wrist it does NOT indicate if it is a recent scar or not. Goode said he only knew Mooney for the last six weeks of her life and she attempted suicide “by cutting her WRISTS” the second time, thus, this was even closer to her death. Also, Goode said she had cut BOTH wrists, but there is no mention of a scar on the left wrist in this supposed autopsy summary. Why NOT?
This article also says Mooney had a blood alcohol level of “0.169%” on the night she died and it states “Alcohol contributes to a more depressed state of mind.” It also makes some people sleepy and also makes me wonder how she was able to hang herself in this condition! What about you? The article mentions that, “They explained that the autopsy shows there were minimal abrasions and no evidence of recent bruises on Mooney's face or body. This is evidence that there was no struggle.” It could also show she was fed a lot of alcohol or drugged before she was hanged. This is not absurd as many have said Mary Jo Kopechne was drugged or filled with alcohol before she was pushed off the road and into the water.
Another person who would know Mooney for six weeks was Patsy Moore. This is the same person she had gotten into a fight with to be arrested in the first place. No mention is made of why Patsy Moore was NOT arrested too
in this report. Moore shared an apartment with Mooney and they both worked at Mickey’s Bar. According to Moore she had been told by Mooney that she had four children who were living in Paris, Texas, with her mother. She claimed Mooney said her children had been taken away from her and this made Mooney very “despondent at times.” (Ibid) She corroborated what Detective Ramsey had said about Mooney having worked at Ruby’s Carousel Club. What we don’t see is any mention of the TWO suicide attempts Goode said Mooney attempted. Why NOT?
The first media report mentioning all of this was done in the New York Journal-American by Bob Considine on February 23, 1964. (CE 342) He erroneously says that Reynolds “put the finger on LHO” as the man who shot JDT and we know that from Reynolds own comment to the FBI. Furthermore, I doubt Reynolds would have been shot IF he had put the finger on LHO as the shooter of JDT. Despite this article making everything in this post so far known to a much wider audience the DPD and WC still ignored all of this as much as they could. One witness would make them aware of this article and the stories of Reynolds and Mooney before the WC.
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Mr. RANKIN. That has been marked Commission Exhibit 342. This is an article appearing in the New York Journal American Sunday, February 23….This consists of two separate pages, does it not?
Mr. LANE. It does-- dated Sunday, February 23, 1964,…This is an article written by Bob Considine, who enjoys a reputation for being an excellent reporter. Mr. Considine states in his article that an eyewitness to the shooting of Officer Tippit by the name of Warren Reynolds was himself recently shot through the head by a man with a rifle.
Now, I don't believe that it is alleged that Reynolds actually saw the person pull the trigger which sent the bullets at Officer Tippit. As I understand it, Mr. Reynolds has stated that he, Reynolds, heard the shot, the shooting, left his office and saw a man running away, placing new shells into a pistol as he ran away. And Mr. Considine indicates that Reynolds thereafter identified Oswald as the person who was running from the scene….Mr. Considine indicates that a person was picked up in the Dallas area and charged with the shooting, but that someone who Mr. Considine refers to as "his girl"--I assume he is making reference to the gentleman who was charged with the attack upon Reynolds--testified in such a fashion, and took a lie detector test, so that the person charged with the crime was released.
This person, Betty Mooney MacDonald, who helped to free her friend, according to Mr. Considine, herself had worked as a stripper in the Carousel Club in Dallas, owned by Jack Ruby. Two weeks before this article was written, Miss MacDonald was herself arrested for a fight with her roommate, and the week before the article was written, Mr. Considine states she hanged herself in her cell. I would request the Commission to investigate into these series of most unusual coincidences, to see if they have any bearing upon the basic matter pending before the Commission.
Despite this plea by Mark Lane the WC did not insist that the FBI investigate this crime and just took the word of the DPD as an explanation for all of this. Captain O.A. Jones was charged with both the Reynolds and Mooney cases (and one has to wonder why since he was in the FORGERY Bureau of the DPD). He was also assigned the EAW shooting and again one has to wonder why a person in the Forgery Bureau was being assigned cases that involved shootings and hanging. When he was called by the WC, Captain Jones was NOT asked one question about Reynolds, Mooney or the EAW shooting. Why NOT?
About the only part of all of this the WC was interested in was the part where Mooney had said she had worked at the Carousel Club. They did give some effort to finding out if this was true or not. We saw Ruby’s roommate, George Senator, had said he didn’t think so. The WC would also ask Andrew Armstrong about this in his WC testimony.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, did you know one by the name of Betty MacDonald?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever hear of a girl who had worked at the Carousel as either a waitress' or a stripper who committed suicide about the middle of February of this year?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. No.
Mr. HUBERT. And any of those names--Betty MacDonald or Nancy Jo Mooney mean nothing to you?
Mr. ARMSTRONG. There was a girl named Nancy who worked at the club for a few nights or a few weeks--I don't recall…but I remember writing the name Nancy as a waitress.
Obviously this is not conclusive, but it does show there was a possibility of it being true. Of course the WC said otherwise in their Report.
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Investigation revealed no evidence that she had ever worked at the Carousel Club. Employees of the club had no recollection that she had ever worked there. (WCR, p. 663)
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What would have been in it for Mooney to say she worked there if she had not? Also, why was there an "investigation" into this, but NOT her death by the WC and FBI?
Warren Reynolds would testify before the WC on July 22, 1964. He would be shown a picture of LHO handing out Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC) leaflets and he would say the following.
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Mr. LIEBELER. Let me show you some pictures that we have here. I show you a picture that has been marked Garner Exhibit No. 1 and ask you if that is the man that you saw going down the street on the 22d of November as you have already told us.
Mr.REYNOLDS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. You later identified that man as Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr.REYNOLDS. In my mind.
And yet, he had said this earlier to the FBI before he got shot.
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REYNOLDS was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, at which time he advised he is of the opinion OSWALD is the person he had followed on the afternoon of November 22, 1963; however, he would hesitate to definitely identify OSWALD as the individual. (FBI Interview with Warren Reynolds on January 21, 1964, Commission Exhibit (CE) 2523, p. 731)
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So what made him positively identify LHO as the shooter during his WC testimony? What had changed in his mind? Obviously, in a court of law this would have been called into question and in all likelihood over-turned as the comments closer to the event are more reliable.
The WC just took the word of the report the FBI did based on what the DPD told them regarding Mooney’s penchant for suicide. We see this in Reynolds testimony.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know Nancy J. Mooney?
Mr.REYNOLDS. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. Have you ever heard of her?
Mr.REYNOLDS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. What have you heard?
Mr.REYNOLDS. I heard that' she was with Garner the night that I got shot. I heard that she took a lie detector test that helped free him. I heard that a few days later she was caught fighting and they put her in jail, and she hung herself. I heard that she formerly worked for Jack Ruby as a stripper.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know who told you that?
Mr.REYNOLDS. I read it in Bob Considine's article.
Mr. LIEBELER. Is that the only source of your information concerning Nancy J. Mooney?
Mr.REYNOLDS. The police told me that she had hung herself and that she was the one that was with Garner. Everybody calls him "Dago."
Mr. LIEBELER. Did the police department tell you that she had worked for Jack Ruby?
Mr.REYNOLDS. No.
Funny how the loose lipped DPD did NOT mention that she may have worked at Jack Ruy’s Carousel Club, huh? They told him other things, but left that part out. Questions abound in this area of the case too.
Why was Patsy Moore NOT arrested, but Mooney was when BOTH were involved in the fight? Why did Patsy Moore never mention any suicide attempts by Mooney as Goode did? Why is the supposed autopsy report of Mooney dated ELEVEN years too early? Why is NO scar mentioned on the left writs when Goode said she cut “both wrists” in her second suicide attempt? Why were records [payroll, social security AVGA* (American Guild of Variety Artists-entertainers had to be members to perform at Ruby’s club), etc…] not checked to see if Mooney had worked at the Carousel Club for a time? Why did the WC just take Senator’s and Armstrong’s word for it (in all fairness, Armstrong did NOT rule it out)?
No one tied to this area of the case was either called to answer these questions [Goode, Ramsey, Moore, etc…] or were asked these questions when they were called [Captain O.A. Jones]. Why not? What kind of investigation constantly leave more UNANSWERED questions than answers? We see this throughout this entire case.
* For more on the AVGA see former branch manager Thomas Palmer’s testimony as he went over a lot of things regarding Carousel employees, but he was NOT asked about Mooney (or Mac Donald) at all. Why?
Why did Warren Reynolds become “positive” that the man he saw running near his business office was LHO in July 1964, when he was NOT positive on January 21, 1964? Oh, and the thing that happened in between was that he was shot in the head!
I think we see again there is much evidence in the WC’s twenty-six volumes of Hearings & Exhibits that differs from the conclusions they reached in their Report, thus, they are sunk.