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2/29/1964 Robert Kennedy did a recorded interview with John Bartlow Martin. He and President John F. Kennedy (JFK) anticipated that Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) would be the front-runner in 1968, and they wanted to back McNamara: "The President didn't really have much respect for Johnson...as he said to Jackie on Thursday night, November 21 [1963], Lyndon Johnson was incapable of telling the truth...It wasn't until after the Bay of Pigs that [JFK] found out that he couldn't rely on people [in the military and the CIA]..."
3/1, 4/13, 4/30 and 5/14/1964 RFK, in a series recorded interviews with John Bartlow Martin, recalled that JFK had been strongly assured by the CIA and military that the Bay of Pigs plan would succeed: "If he hadn't gone ahead with it, everybody would have said it showed he had no courage because...it was Eisenhower's plan, Eisenhower's people all said it would succeed...We found out later that, despite the President's orders that no American forces would be used, the first two people who landed on the Bay of Pigs were Americans - CIA sent them in....It was clearly understood in all the instructions that there weren't going to be any military forces of the United States." They had been repeatedly assured that even if the invasion went badly, the Cubans could disappear into the mountains and become guerillas. "It turned out that, when they talked about this guerilla territory, it was guerilla territory back in 1890. Now it was a swamp...After Cuba [JFK] continuously prodded and probed to bring out all the facts...he made an effort to find out himself...I then became involved on every major and all the international questions...the President spoke to me about becoming head of the CIA. I said I didn't want to...I don't know who suggested John McCone originally. Maybe Scoop Jackson did...The President was never very enthusiastic about the [nuclear] testing...Most of the testing was aimed at developing smaller bombs with bigger punch. He wasn't convinced that was so necessary...There was a strong feeling by the scientific community that we should test...He reached the conclusion that probably it was worthwhile [staying in Vietnam] for psychological, [world] political reasons more than anything else."
He was asked if JFK was "concerned about the rightist upsurge" in the country; RFK replied, "Not really, no....He thought it was silly, that [Gen.] Walker was crazy...But it was more humorous than anything else." He recalled that JFK's policy in Latin America was to do more than just side with anti-Communist dictatorships. He denied that the administration was behind the Trujillo assassination, then added, "To my knowledge, this isn't true. I got into that planning, and I expect I probably would have known...Lyndon Johnson said to Pierre Salinger that he wasn't sure but that the assassination of President Kennedy didn't take place in retribution for his participation in the assassinations of Trujillo and President Diem...divine retribution...There was never any intention of dropping [LBJ from the ticket]. There was never even any discussion about dropping him...After the missiles [crisis], Dean Rusk said that Castro would collapse or be replaced within two months."
RFK confirmed that Kennedy was trying to improve relations with Castro in 1963, but only if Castro cut off military ties with the Soviets and stopped trying to export revolution. He said that there were no assassination attempts on Castro, not even any planning for it. He commented that when JFK visited Venezuela "we had a real check on whether all the Communists and fellow travelers were picked up and the guards were adequate...I often think that's the kind of arrangement when you were going into a crazy city like Dallas, Texas. It should have been done." He emphasized that JFK thought Vietnam was very important to the security of the whole region, had no intention of completely pulling out, but also was not going to go in with combat troops: "because everybody, including General MacArthur, felt that land conflict between our troops - white troops and Asian - would only end in disaster. So we went in as advisers to try to get the Vietnamese to fight, themselves, because we couldn't win the war for them."
He was asked, "And if the Vietnamese were about to lose it, would he propose to go in on land if he had to?" RFK replied, "We'd face that when we came to it...we were winning the war in 1962 and 1963. Up until May or so of 1963, the situation was getting progressively better." He recalled that on the question of supporting a coup in Saigon, "the government split in two," with JFK, Taylor, McNamara and McCone opposed to it. RFK didn't want to discuss the assassination of his brother: "No, I don't think I need to go into that...There were four or five matters that arose during the period of November 22 to November 27 or so which made me bitter - unhappy at least - with Lyndon Johnson. Events involving the treatment of Jackie on the plane trip back...And then he came to the White House on Saturday and started moving all my brother's things out Saturday morning at nine o'clock. I went over and asked him to wait, at least until Sunday or Monday."
Later, LBJ accused him of sending Paul Corbin to New Hampshire to plot against him. "Since January [1964], I haven't had any dealings with Johnson....When the President was going down to Texas, trying to get the political situation settled in Texas, Lyndon Johnson would be no help...And he said to Jackie...that Lyndon Johnson was incapable of telling the truth...he doesn't think anything of a lot of people. And he yells at his staff. He treats them just terribly. Very mean. He's a very mean, mean figure...The one thing Lyndon Johnson doesn't want is me as Vice President...Johnson has explained quite clearly that it's not the Democratic party anymore; it's an all-American party. The businessmen like it. All the people who were opposed to the President like it. I don't like it much....The fact is that he's able to eat people up, even people who are considered rather strong figures. I mean, as I say, Mac Bundy or Bob McNamara: There's nothing left of them...He's mean, bitter, vicious - an animal in many ways...unless you want to kiss his behind all the time." (RFK In His Own Words)
4/13/1964 Robert F. Kennedy interviewed by John Bartlow Martin. RFK told him that Hoover was 'rather a psycho'...the FBI was 'a very dangerous organization...and I think he's...become senile and rather frightening.'" (RFK and His Times p 279; Richard Powers, Secrecy and Power p397) Later in the year he told Anthony Lewis that “I think [Hoover] he’s dangerous.”
4/30/1964 In an oral history recording, RFK told John Bartlow Martin that JFK had felt "we should win the war" and there had been no consideration of pulling out of Vietnam. Arthur Schlesinger says that RFK was barely kept informed of JFK's real feelings about the war. Of the 8/24/1963 cable authorizing anti-Diem actions in Saigon, RFK said that his brother thought the cable "had been approved by McNamara and Maxwell Taylor and everybody else, which it had not...I became much more intimately involved in it then." He recalled that "the government was split in two" over whether to oust Diem. He said that his brother didn't want to remove Diem unless they could be sure that the government that replaced him would be better. (RFK and his Times 748, 768) In 1964, RFK did an oral history interview where he recalled that in late 1963, "there were a lot of stories that my brother and I were interested in dumping Lyndon Johnson and that I'd started the Bobby Baker case in order to give us a handle to dump Lyndon Johnson...there was no plan to dump Lyndon Johnson. That didn't make any sense...I hadn't gotten really involved in the Bobby Baker case until after a good number of newspaper stories had appeared about it...Abe Fortas was his lawyer." In an oral history this year, RFK recalled that reporter William Lambert found out that Hoover stayed in a hundred-dollar-a-day suite in Florida every year and it was paid for by Clint Murchison.
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2/29/1964 Robert Kennedy did a recorded interview with John Bartlow Martin. He and President John F. Kennedy (JFK) anticipated that Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) would be the front-runner in 1968, and they wanted to back McNamara: "The President didn't really have much respect for Johnson...as he said to Jackie on Thursday night, November 21 [1963], Lyndon Johnson was incapable of telling the truth...It wasn't until after the Bay of Pigs that [JFK] found out that he couldn't rely on people [in the military and the CIA]..."
3/1, 4/13, 4/30 and 5/14/1964 RFK, in a series recorded interviews with John Bartlow Martin, recalled that JFK had been strongly assured by the CIA and military that the Bay of Pigs plan would succeed: "If he hadn't gone ahead with it, everybody would have said it showed he had no courage because...it was Eisenhower's plan, Eisenhower's people all said it would succeed...We found out later that, despite the President's orders that no American forces would be used, the first two people who landed on the Bay of Pigs were Americans - CIA sent them in....It was clearly understood in all the instructions that there weren't going to be any military forces of the United States." They had been repeatedly assured that even if the invasion went badly, the Cubans could disappear into the mountains and become guerillas. "It turned out that, when they talked about this guerilla territory, it was guerilla territory back in 1890. Now it was a swamp...After Cuba [JFK] continuously prodded and probed to bring out all the facts...he made an effort to find out himself...I then became involved on every major and all the international questions...the President spoke to me about becoming head of the CIA. I said I didn't want to...I don't know who suggested John McCone originally. Maybe Scoop Jackson did...The President was never very enthusiastic about the [nuclear] testing...Most of the testing was aimed at developing smaller bombs with bigger punch. He wasn't convinced that was so necessary...There was a strong feeling by the scientific community that we should test...He reached the conclusion that probably it was worthwhile [staying in Vietnam] for psychological, [world] political reasons more than anything else."
He was asked if JFK was "concerned about the rightist upsurge" in the country; RFK replied, "Not really, no....He thought it was silly, that [Gen.] Walker was crazy...But it was more humorous than anything else." He recalled that JFK's policy in Latin America was to do more than just side with anti-Communist dictatorships. He denied that the administration was behind the Trujillo assassination, then added, "To my knowledge, this isn't true. I got into that planning, and I expect I probably would have known...Lyndon Johnson said to Pierre Salinger that he wasn't sure but that the assassination of President Kennedy didn't take place in retribution for his participation in the assassinations of Trujillo and President Diem...divine retribution...There was never any intention of dropping [LBJ from the ticket]. There was never even any discussion about dropping him...After the missiles [crisis], Dean Rusk said that Castro would collapse or be replaced within two months."
RFK confirmed that Kennedy was trying to improve relations with Castro in 1963, but only if Castro cut off military ties with the Soviets and stopped trying to export revolution. He said that there were no assassination attempts on Castro, not even any planning for it. He commented that when JFK visited Venezuela "we had a real check on whether all the Communists and fellow travelers were picked up and the guards were adequate...I often think that's the kind of arrangement when you were going into a crazy city like Dallas, Texas. It should have been done." He emphasized that JFK thought Vietnam was very important to the security of the whole region, had no intention of completely pulling out, but also was not going to go in with combat troops: "because everybody, including General MacArthur, felt that land conflict between our troops - white troops and Asian - would only end in disaster. So we went in as advisers to try to get the Vietnamese to fight, themselves, because we couldn't win the war for them."
He was asked, "And if the Vietnamese were about to lose it, would he propose to go in on land if he had to?" RFK replied, "We'd face that when we came to it...we were winning the war in 1962 and 1963. Up until May or so of 1963, the situation was getting progressively better." He recalled that on the question of supporting a coup in Saigon, "the government split in two," with JFK, Taylor, McNamara and McCone opposed to it. RFK didn't want to discuss the assassination of his brother: "No, I don't think I need to go into that...There were four or five matters that arose during the period of November 22 to November 27 or so which made me bitter - unhappy at least - with Lyndon Johnson. Events involving the treatment of Jackie on the plane trip back...And then he came to the White House on Saturday and started moving all my brother's things out Saturday morning at nine o'clock. I went over and asked him to wait, at least until Sunday or Monday."
Later, LBJ accused him of sending Paul Corbin to New Hampshire to plot against him. "Since January [1964], I haven't had any dealings with Johnson....When the President was going down to Texas, trying to get the political situation settled in Texas, Lyndon Johnson would be no help...And he said to Jackie...that Lyndon Johnson was incapable of telling the truth...he doesn't think anything of a lot of people. And he yells at his staff. He treats them just terribly. Very mean. He's a very mean, mean figure...The one thing Lyndon Johnson doesn't want is me as Vice President...Johnson has explained quite clearly that it's not the Democratic party anymore; it's an all-American party. The businessmen like it. All the people who were opposed to the President like it. I don't like it much....The fact is that he's able to eat people up, even people who are considered rather strong figures. I mean, as I say, Mac Bundy or Bob McNamara: There's nothing left of them...He's mean, bitter, vicious - an animal in many ways...unless you want to kiss his behind all the time." (RFK In His Own Words)
4/13/1964 Robert F. Kennedy interviewed by John Bartlow Martin. RFK told him that Hoover was 'rather a psycho'...the FBI was 'a very dangerous organization...and I think he's...become senile and rather frightening.'" (RFK and His Times p 279; Richard Powers, Secrecy and Power p397) Later in the year he told Anthony Lewis that “I think [Hoover] he’s dangerous.”
4/30/1964 In an oral history recording, RFK told John Bartlow Martin that JFK had felt "we should win the war" and there had been no consideration of pulling out of Vietnam. Arthur Schlesinger says that RFK was barely kept informed of JFK's real feelings about the war. Of the 8/24/1963 cable authorizing anti-Diem actions in Saigon, RFK said that his brother thought the cable "had been approved by McNamara and Maxwell Taylor and everybody else, which it had not...I became much more intimately involved in it then." He recalled that "the government was split in two" over whether to oust Diem. He said that his brother didn't want to remove Diem unless they could be sure that the government that replaced him would be better. (RFK and his Times 748, 768) In 1964, RFK did an oral history interview where he recalled that in late 1963, "there were a lot of stories that my brother and I were interested in dumping Lyndon Johnson and that I'd started the Bobby Baker case in order to give us a handle to dump Lyndon Johnson...there was no plan to dump Lyndon Johnson. That didn't make any sense...I hadn't gotten really involved in the Bobby Baker case until after a good number of newspaper stories had appeared about it...Abe Fortas was his lawyer." In an oral history this year, RFK recalled that reporter William Lambert found out that Hoover stayed in a hundred-dollar-a-day suite in Florida every year and it was paid for by Clint Murchison.