Post by Rob Caprio on Jan 11, 2020 11:46:46 GMT -5
All portions ©️ Robert Caprio 2006-2024
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Let's start to add in Ben's OWN notice as he does EXACTLY what he warns you folks LNers will do!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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From the "Unsupported Claims of Ben Holmes" list.
"Ben never proved his claim that NO death certificate mentions a high powered rifle." (Robert)
"Never said this." (Ben Holmes)
This is what Ben said when I mentioned another death certificate mentioning this point.
“YOU found a copy of ONE death certificate and claim that is the one I was referring to!” (Robert)
“There is *NO* other Death Certificate known to exist, known to have EVER existed, that was written by Dr. Burkley.” (Ben Holmes – 6/11/09)
The caveat is "that has been seen or found" of course, but the LIE is the part where Ben acts like the ONLY death certificate in this case was signed by Admiral George Burkley. It WASN'T, and in fact, the one that Burkley did sign is NOT recognized as the legal copy since it was NOT done by the state of Texas where the crime occurred. The copy the State of Texas did is the legal copy and it mentioned that President John F. Kennedy (JFK) was shot by a HIGH POWERED RIFLE.
Why did Ben lie and act like the ONLY death certificate was done by Burkley?
Why did Ben lie and act like Burkley was NOT told by the staff of Parkland Hospital that JFK died as a result of a HIGH VELOCITY bullet to the head? Why did Ben lie and act like doctors who treated hundreds (and in some cases thousands) of gunshot wounds did NOT know what a high velocity bullet wound looked like?
“I didn't list "death by high-velocity bullet" the President's doctor did and so did the WC.” (Robert)
“Which one was a ballistics expert?” (Ben Holmes – 5/23/09)
And:
“Tell us Rob - who was the ballistics expert who declared that the wounds to JFK were caused by a high velocity weapon?” (Ben Holmes – 5/23/09)
Who was the ballistic expert who performed the autopsy? There was only Pierre Finck and we know he was NOT that involved and certainly NOT in charge.
Ben attacked Burkley in all kinds of ways when he thought I was referring to the Burkley death certificate (US Navy copy). Oh he said things like this over and over again:
You're demanding proof of a ballistics assertion made by doctors. You *FIRST* have to illustrate that the doctors knew what they were talking about. But you can't do it.” (Ben Holmes – 5/24/09)
In fact, I began to wonder how Burkley got his license in medicine at all after Ben got through with him. BUT before Ben realized I was NOT referring to this copy and that this copy (the US Navy copy) did NOT mention the high velocity bullet to the head in it, he agreed with me that a copy did say this (he just thought it was for the wrong copy).
“I don't need to defend anything as I did NOT claim JFK died from a shot to the head by a "high-velocity" bullet, his doctor and the WC did.” (Robert)
“**Nor is anyone stating that they did *NOT* say this.**
Your problem is your inability to demonstrate that doctors are ballistics experts.” (Ben Holmes – 5/24/09)
And:
“Does the death certificate NOT say death is "due to a high-velocity" bullet to the head?” (Robert)
“Yep.” (Ben Holmes – 5/25/09)
This comment shows us he WAS NOT familiar with the Burkley death certificate copy and what it said as he would NOT have agreed with me IF he knew this copy as he would later claim he did. I was NOT referring to this particular copy, but Ben thought I was and this comment shows he had NO clue what it actually listed. He would lie later on and act like he did though.
He would argue incessantly that doctors were NOT trained in ballistics, so they couldn't know what type of ammunition made the wound(s) they were looking at. Here is just a sample of those comments:
“Does the 6.5mm NOT meet high-velocity (high-powered) standards?” (Robert)
“What standards are those, Rob?
If you *cannot* say "medical standards as taught in medical school", then you've lost.
If you tell the truth and admit that these are *BALLISTICS* standards, in a field that is *NOT* medical, but ballistics... then you tell the truth, and lose your argument.” (Ben Holmes – 5/25/09)
Ben never once mentioned the field of "Forensic Pathology" as having doctors who can tell this EXACT ballistic stuff. NOT once.They are trained in the field of ballistics and many serve as Medical Examiners for our cities and states. Once I quoted him that this was the case he lied and acted like he knew this all along while bashing the doctors for having NO ballistic expertise (see my earlier post on this topic for these quotes by Ben). I pointed this out to Ben.
“There is a whole field for this called "FORENSIC WOUND ANYALSIS" OR "FORENSIC WOUND PATHOLOGY" and some notables in this case that had that background were Dr. Pierre Finck and Dr. Cyril Wecht.” (Robert)
“Yep...” (Ben Holmes – 5/26/09)
Yep? Why did he NOT mention this BEFORE IF he knew? Once this was mentioned he claimed there was NO FP's at PH to make this call (again demeaning the doctors who had treated hundreds of gunshot wounds in their stay at this hospital).
“When you can name a forensic pathologist as the origin of the assertion that a "high velocity rifle" was the cause of JFK's wounds, *THEN* you'll have something worth talking about. Until then, you have nothing.” (Ben Holmes – 5/26/09)
I guess the hundreds of gunshot wounds the doctors deal with on a yearly basis was of NO value, huh? I guess Dr. Earl Rose was of NO value despite him being the one that should have done the autopsy and being a FP, huh?
The bottom line is Ben lied and constantly changed his lies as he learned new things ALL IN AN EFFORT TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE WC'S ACKNOWLEDGED CAUSE OF DEATH -- a high velocity bullet to the head! He lied and did what was ever necessary to make it seem like the M-C in question COULD BE the murder weapon!
Will he retract his lies? Of course not.
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Let's start to add in Ben's OWN notice as he does EXACTLY what he warns you folks LNers will do!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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From the "Unsupported Claims of Ben Holmes" list.
"Ben never proved his claim that NO death certificate mentions a high powered rifle." (Robert)
"Never said this." (Ben Holmes)
This is what Ben said when I mentioned another death certificate mentioning this point.
“YOU found a copy of ONE death certificate and claim that is the one I was referring to!” (Robert)
“There is *NO* other Death Certificate known to exist, known to have EVER existed, that was written by Dr. Burkley.” (Ben Holmes – 6/11/09)
The caveat is "that has been seen or found" of course, but the LIE is the part where Ben acts like the ONLY death certificate in this case was signed by Admiral George Burkley. It WASN'T, and in fact, the one that Burkley did sign is NOT recognized as the legal copy since it was NOT done by the state of Texas where the crime occurred. The copy the State of Texas did is the legal copy and it mentioned that President John F. Kennedy (JFK) was shot by a HIGH POWERED RIFLE.
Why did Ben lie and act like the ONLY death certificate was done by Burkley?
Why did Ben lie and act like Burkley was NOT told by the staff of Parkland Hospital that JFK died as a result of a HIGH VELOCITY bullet to the head? Why did Ben lie and act like doctors who treated hundreds (and in some cases thousands) of gunshot wounds did NOT know what a high velocity bullet wound looked like?
“I didn't list "death by high-velocity bullet" the President's doctor did and so did the WC.” (Robert)
“Which one was a ballistics expert?” (Ben Holmes – 5/23/09)
And:
“Tell us Rob - who was the ballistics expert who declared that the wounds to JFK were caused by a high velocity weapon?” (Ben Holmes – 5/23/09)
Who was the ballistic expert who performed the autopsy? There was only Pierre Finck and we know he was NOT that involved and certainly NOT in charge.
Ben attacked Burkley in all kinds of ways when he thought I was referring to the Burkley death certificate (US Navy copy). Oh he said things like this over and over again:
You're demanding proof of a ballistics assertion made by doctors. You *FIRST* have to illustrate that the doctors knew what they were talking about. But you can't do it.” (Ben Holmes – 5/24/09)
In fact, I began to wonder how Burkley got his license in medicine at all after Ben got through with him. BUT before Ben realized I was NOT referring to this copy and that this copy (the US Navy copy) did NOT mention the high velocity bullet to the head in it, he agreed with me that a copy did say this (he just thought it was for the wrong copy).
“I don't need to defend anything as I did NOT claim JFK died from a shot to the head by a "high-velocity" bullet, his doctor and the WC did.” (Robert)
“**Nor is anyone stating that they did *NOT* say this.**
Your problem is your inability to demonstrate that doctors are ballistics experts.” (Ben Holmes – 5/24/09)
And:
“Does the death certificate NOT say death is "due to a high-velocity" bullet to the head?” (Robert)
“Yep.” (Ben Holmes – 5/25/09)
This comment shows us he WAS NOT familiar with the Burkley death certificate copy and what it said as he would NOT have agreed with me IF he knew this copy as he would later claim he did. I was NOT referring to this particular copy, but Ben thought I was and this comment shows he had NO clue what it actually listed. He would lie later on and act like he did though.
He would argue incessantly that doctors were NOT trained in ballistics, so they couldn't know what type of ammunition made the wound(s) they were looking at. Here is just a sample of those comments:
“Does the 6.5mm NOT meet high-velocity (high-powered) standards?” (Robert)
“What standards are those, Rob?
If you *cannot* say "medical standards as taught in medical school", then you've lost.
If you tell the truth and admit that these are *BALLISTICS* standards, in a field that is *NOT* medical, but ballistics... then you tell the truth, and lose your argument.” (Ben Holmes – 5/25/09)
Ben never once mentioned the field of "Forensic Pathology" as having doctors who can tell this EXACT ballistic stuff. NOT once.They are trained in the field of ballistics and many serve as Medical Examiners for our cities and states. Once I quoted him that this was the case he lied and acted like he knew this all along while bashing the doctors for having NO ballistic expertise (see my earlier post on this topic for these quotes by Ben). I pointed this out to Ben.
“There is a whole field for this called "FORENSIC WOUND ANYALSIS" OR "FORENSIC WOUND PATHOLOGY" and some notables in this case that had that background were Dr. Pierre Finck and Dr. Cyril Wecht.” (Robert)
“Yep...” (Ben Holmes – 5/26/09)
Yep? Why did he NOT mention this BEFORE IF he knew? Once this was mentioned he claimed there was NO FP's at PH to make this call (again demeaning the doctors who had treated hundreds of gunshot wounds in their stay at this hospital).
“When you can name a forensic pathologist as the origin of the assertion that a "high velocity rifle" was the cause of JFK's wounds, *THEN* you'll have something worth talking about. Until then, you have nothing.” (Ben Holmes – 5/26/09)
I guess the hundreds of gunshot wounds the doctors deal with on a yearly basis was of NO value, huh? I guess Dr. Earl Rose was of NO value despite him being the one that should have done the autopsy and being a FP, huh?
The bottom line is Ben lied and constantly changed his lies as he learned new things ALL IN AN EFFORT TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE WC'S ACKNOWLEDGED CAUSE OF DEATH -- a high velocity bullet to the head! He lied and did what was ever necessary to make it seem like the M-C in question COULD BE the murder weapon!
Will he retract his lies? Of course not.