Post by Rob Caprio on Sept 9, 2020 20:36:09 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) said that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) shot and killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on November 22, 1963. They claimed that he used a Mannlicher-Carcano (M-C) to accomplish this feat.
They said that he stored the alleged murder weapon at the Paine residence in Oak Cliff, and that he made an unusual trip there on Thursday, November 21, 1963, to retrieve it. They made a big deal out of this visit saying that he had not gone there before on a Thursday (this is false as we have seen previously in this series as he went there on Thursday, October 31, 1963) as he always rode home on Friday afternoon with Wes Frazier.
They said that he made this trip to get his rifle so he could use it the next day. There was no other reason for this aberration in his schedule. None. But was there?
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If LHO came home to get this alleged rifle on the evening of November 21, 1963, as claimed by the WC, why did Ruth Paine give another reason for his unannounced visit?
Ruth Paine in her WC testimony said LHO arrived unannounced because LHO and Marina Oswald had a fight before and he was there to apologize and make up with her.
Mr. JENNER - Let's proceed with the 21st. Did anything occur on the 21st with respect to Lee Harvey Oswald, that is a Thursday?
Mrs. PAINE - I arrived home from grocery shopping around 5:30, and he was on the front lawn. I was surprised to see him.
Mr. JENNER - Tell the Commission what was said between you and Lee Oswald?
Mrs. PAINE - Between me and Lee Oswald?
Mr. JENNER - Yes; on that occasion.
Mrs. PAINE - That is not what I recall. I recall talking with Marina on the side.
Mr. JENNER - First. Didn't you greet him?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; I greeted him.
Mr. JENNER - And then what did you do, walk in the house?
Mrs. PAINE - As we were walking in the house, and he must have preceded because Marina and I spoke in private to one another, she apologized.
Mr. JENNER - Was Marina out on the lawn also?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes, sir. She apologized for his having come without permission and I said that was all right, and we said either then or later--I recall exchanging our opinion that this was a way of making up the quarrel or as close as he could come to an apology for the fight on the telephone, that his coming related to that, rather than anything else.
Mr. JENNER - That was her reaction to his showing up uninvited and unexpectedly on that particular afternoon, was it?
Mrs. PAINE - Well, it was rather my own, too.
Mr. JENNER - And it was your own?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - And because of this incident of the telephone call and your not being able to reach him, and the subsequent talk between Lee and Marina in which there had been some anger expressed, you girls reached the conclusion the afternoon of November 21 that he was home just to see if he could make up with Marina?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - Do I fairly state it?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
According to Ruth Paine both she and Marina Oswald thought he came on the 21st of November to make up to her for his rude behavior on the telephone, and NOT to get a rifle to shoot JFK with. Unfortunately for us, the WC never bothered to ask Marina Oswald about this visit on Thursday, November 21, 1963. Why NOT? Fortunately for us, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) did question Marina Oswald about this visit.
[Note: Marina Oswald will appear as Mrs. Porter.]
Mr. McDONALD - Mrs. Porter, let me direct your attention to November 21, 1963. It was a Thursday.
Mrs. PORTER - What is the date?
Mr. McDONALD - Twenty-first of November. Where were you that day?
Mrs. PORTER - I was at Mrs. Paine's house.
Mr. McDONALD - Was Lee there that morning? Was he staying with you?
Mrs. PORTER - I really don't [know]. Yes; probably he did. He did come Thursday.
Mr. McDONALD - When did he come on Thursday?
Mrs. PORTER - He usually come on Friday, but he came on Thursday.
Mr. McDONALD - At what part of the day did he come?
Mrs. PORTER - After work.
Mr. McDONALD - After work. So about what time would that be?
Mrs. PORTER - Six o'clock, between 5 and 6.
Mr. McDONALD - How do you remember Lee arriving Thursday afternoon, November 21?
Mrs. PORTER - I don't remember right now, after testifying so many times for so many people, you know.
Mr. McDONALD - Do your best. How do you remember today?
Mrs. PORTER - Well, I am sorry, I do not recall what exactly I was doing. I just know that he arrived a Thursday and it was after work.
She would keep saying she does NOT remember any details about that day or the visit other than he usually did not come to the Paine’s on Thursdays, but finally she would corroborate Ruth Paine’s words for why he came by that evening.
Mr. McDONALD - How did he act when you first saw him on Thursday evening?
Mrs. PORTER - I think it was in connection with him hiding his real name from the landlady and maybe we had argument over that. I thought maybe he came just to make up, you know.
So he did come by to make up to her and NOT to get his rifle according to her. She would then say something that has to make the reader wonder why LHO would bring that subject up IF he planned to gun JFK down the next day!
Mr. McDONALD - What did you discuss when he came on Thursday evening, can you recall? Did you speak about that, using the fictitious name?
Mrs. PORTER - Well, we were looking forward and talking about him renting apartment for us, and I would like to be with him--it was very big imposition to live with Mrs. Paine, and I thought we just should live as a family, and like that, we discussed for us all move together.
Mr. McDONALD - You remember discussing these things that night, Thursday night?
Mrs. PORTER - Not word for word.
Mr. McDONALD - Not word for word?
Mrs. PORTER - Yes.
Mr. McDONALD - But this is what you remember, generally speaking?
Mrs. PORTER - Yes.
Why would LHO even entertain a discussion about renting an apartment IF he planned on assassinating JFK the next day? Does this make any sense to you? He also seemed quite “normal” to her on that evening.
Mr. McDONALD - How did he appear when he came home that night?
Mrs. PORTER - Quite normal. It was nothing unusual in his appearance.
Mr. McDONALD - It was not unusual that he would come in on a Thursday?
Mrs. PORTER - No; it wasn't anything unusual his appearance. You asked me how did he look?
Mr. McDONALD - Did he seem relaxed?
Mrs. PORTER - Yes.
Mr. McDONALD - Did he seem in any way different than he usually would appear?
Mrs. PORTER -No.
Mr. McDONALD - Did he seem calm, calmer than normal?
Mrs. PORTER - Yes.
Notice she said it was NOT unusual for him to show up on a Thursday! She would say he was nothing like the way he was the evening before he allegedly shot at General Edwin A. Walker (EAW) too.
Mr. McDONALD - Can you relate or remember, did he act in anyway like he did prior to the Walker incident?
Mrs. PORTER - No.
Mr. McDONALD - Please explain why you say no?
Mrs. PORTER - Well, he was more withdrawn person before, more hostile. He was more in peaceful mood right now and was willing to listen to me more so than then.
The description about his demeanor matches up with her comments before the WC too.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you observe that his acts on November 21st the evening before the assassination, were anything like they were the evening before the Walker incident?
Mrs. OSWALD. Absolutely nothing in common.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he say anything at all that would indicate he was contemplating the assassination?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
I guess either LHO was NOT planning to assassinate JFK or he was an Oscar caliber actor! What do you think? Can the WC defenders explain all of this to me? How does his visit on Thursday, November 21, 1963, show he went for a rifle you can’t show he owned? Remember, Ruth Paine said the blanket she saw was “quite flat”.
Mr. JENNER - For the record, I am placing the rifle in the folded blanket as Mrs. Paine folded it. This is being done without the rifle being dismantled. May the record show, Mr. Chairman, that the rifle fits well in the package from end to end, and it does not—
Mrs. PAINE - Can you make it flatter?
Mr. JENNER - No; because the rifle is now in there.
Mrs. PAINE - I just mean that—
Mr. JENNER - Was that about the appearance of the blanket wrapped package that you saw on your garage floor?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; although I recall it as quite flat.
And please explain to me how a rifle can be in a blanket and yet it appears “quite flat.” We again see evidence that contradicts the conclusion that the WC gave to us, therefore, it is sunk.
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The Warren Commission (WC) said that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) shot and killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on November 22, 1963. They claimed that he used a Mannlicher-Carcano (M-C) to accomplish this feat.
They said that he stored the alleged murder weapon at the Paine residence in Oak Cliff, and that he made an unusual trip there on Thursday, November 21, 1963, to retrieve it. They made a big deal out of this visit saying that he had not gone there before on a Thursday (this is false as we have seen previously in this series as he went there on Thursday, October 31, 1963) as he always rode home on Friday afternoon with Wes Frazier.
They said that he made this trip to get his rifle so he could use it the next day. There was no other reason for this aberration in his schedule. None. But was there?
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If LHO came home to get this alleged rifle on the evening of November 21, 1963, as claimed by the WC, why did Ruth Paine give another reason for his unannounced visit?
Ruth Paine in her WC testimony said LHO arrived unannounced because LHO and Marina Oswald had a fight before and he was there to apologize and make up with her.
Mr. JENNER - Let's proceed with the 21st. Did anything occur on the 21st with respect to Lee Harvey Oswald, that is a Thursday?
Mrs. PAINE - I arrived home from grocery shopping around 5:30, and he was on the front lawn. I was surprised to see him.
Mr. JENNER - Tell the Commission what was said between you and Lee Oswald?
Mrs. PAINE - Between me and Lee Oswald?
Mr. JENNER - Yes; on that occasion.
Mrs. PAINE - That is not what I recall. I recall talking with Marina on the side.
Mr. JENNER - First. Didn't you greet him?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; I greeted him.
Mr. JENNER - And then what did you do, walk in the house?
Mrs. PAINE - As we were walking in the house, and he must have preceded because Marina and I spoke in private to one another, she apologized.
Mr. JENNER - Was Marina out on the lawn also?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes, sir. She apologized for his having come without permission and I said that was all right, and we said either then or later--I recall exchanging our opinion that this was a way of making up the quarrel or as close as he could come to an apology for the fight on the telephone, that his coming related to that, rather than anything else.
Mr. JENNER - That was her reaction to his showing up uninvited and unexpectedly on that particular afternoon, was it?
Mrs. PAINE - Well, it was rather my own, too.
Mr. JENNER - And it was your own?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - And because of this incident of the telephone call and your not being able to reach him, and the subsequent talk between Lee and Marina in which there had been some anger expressed, you girls reached the conclusion the afternoon of November 21 that he was home just to see if he could make up with Marina?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. JENNER - Do I fairly state it?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes.
According to Ruth Paine both she and Marina Oswald thought he came on the 21st of November to make up to her for his rude behavior on the telephone, and NOT to get a rifle to shoot JFK with. Unfortunately for us, the WC never bothered to ask Marina Oswald about this visit on Thursday, November 21, 1963. Why NOT? Fortunately for us, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) did question Marina Oswald about this visit.
[Note: Marina Oswald will appear as Mrs. Porter.]
Mr. McDONALD - Mrs. Porter, let me direct your attention to November 21, 1963. It was a Thursday.
Mrs. PORTER - What is the date?
Mr. McDONALD - Twenty-first of November. Where were you that day?
Mrs. PORTER - I was at Mrs. Paine's house.
Mr. McDONALD - Was Lee there that morning? Was he staying with you?
Mrs. PORTER - I really don't [know]. Yes; probably he did. He did come Thursday.
Mr. McDONALD - When did he come on Thursday?
Mrs. PORTER - He usually come on Friday, but he came on Thursday.
Mr. McDONALD - At what part of the day did he come?
Mrs. PORTER - After work.
Mr. McDONALD - After work. So about what time would that be?
Mrs. PORTER - Six o'clock, between 5 and 6.
Mr. McDONALD - How do you remember Lee arriving Thursday afternoon, November 21?
Mrs. PORTER - I don't remember right now, after testifying so many times for so many people, you know.
Mr. McDONALD - Do your best. How do you remember today?
Mrs. PORTER - Well, I am sorry, I do not recall what exactly I was doing. I just know that he arrived a Thursday and it was after work.
She would keep saying she does NOT remember any details about that day or the visit other than he usually did not come to the Paine’s on Thursdays, but finally she would corroborate Ruth Paine’s words for why he came by that evening.
Mr. McDONALD - How did he act when you first saw him on Thursday evening?
Mrs. PORTER - I think it was in connection with him hiding his real name from the landlady and maybe we had argument over that. I thought maybe he came just to make up, you know.
So he did come by to make up to her and NOT to get his rifle according to her. She would then say something that has to make the reader wonder why LHO would bring that subject up IF he planned to gun JFK down the next day!
Mr. McDONALD - What did you discuss when he came on Thursday evening, can you recall? Did you speak about that, using the fictitious name?
Mrs. PORTER - Well, we were looking forward and talking about him renting apartment for us, and I would like to be with him--it was very big imposition to live with Mrs. Paine, and I thought we just should live as a family, and like that, we discussed for us all move together.
Mr. McDONALD - You remember discussing these things that night, Thursday night?
Mrs. PORTER - Not word for word.
Mr. McDONALD - Not word for word?
Mrs. PORTER - Yes.
Mr. McDONALD - But this is what you remember, generally speaking?
Mrs. PORTER - Yes.
Why would LHO even entertain a discussion about renting an apartment IF he planned on assassinating JFK the next day? Does this make any sense to you? He also seemed quite “normal” to her on that evening.
Mr. McDONALD - How did he appear when he came home that night?
Mrs. PORTER - Quite normal. It was nothing unusual in his appearance.
Mr. McDONALD - It was not unusual that he would come in on a Thursday?
Mrs. PORTER - No; it wasn't anything unusual his appearance. You asked me how did he look?
Mr. McDONALD - Did he seem relaxed?
Mrs. PORTER - Yes.
Mr. McDONALD - Did he seem in any way different than he usually would appear?
Mrs. PORTER -No.
Mr. McDONALD - Did he seem calm, calmer than normal?
Mrs. PORTER - Yes.
Notice she said it was NOT unusual for him to show up on a Thursday! She would say he was nothing like the way he was the evening before he allegedly shot at General Edwin A. Walker (EAW) too.
Mr. McDONALD - Can you relate or remember, did he act in anyway like he did prior to the Walker incident?
Mrs. PORTER - No.
Mr. McDONALD - Please explain why you say no?
Mrs. PORTER - Well, he was more withdrawn person before, more hostile. He was more in peaceful mood right now and was willing to listen to me more so than then.
The description about his demeanor matches up with her comments before the WC too.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you observe that his acts on November 21st the evening before the assassination, were anything like they were the evening before the Walker incident?
Mrs. OSWALD. Absolutely nothing in common.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he say anything at all that would indicate he was contemplating the assassination?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
I guess either LHO was NOT planning to assassinate JFK or he was an Oscar caliber actor! What do you think? Can the WC defenders explain all of this to me? How does his visit on Thursday, November 21, 1963, show he went for a rifle you can’t show he owned? Remember, Ruth Paine said the blanket she saw was “quite flat”.
Mr. JENNER - For the record, I am placing the rifle in the folded blanket as Mrs. Paine folded it. This is being done without the rifle being dismantled. May the record show, Mr. Chairman, that the rifle fits well in the package from end to end, and it does not—
Mrs. PAINE - Can you make it flatter?
Mr. JENNER - No; because the rifle is now in there.
Mrs. PAINE - I just mean that—
Mr. JENNER - Was that about the appearance of the blanket wrapped package that you saw on your garage floor?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; although I recall it as quite flat.
And please explain to me how a rifle can be in a blanket and yet it appears “quite flat.” We again see evidence that contradicts the conclusion that the WC gave to us, therefore, it is sunk.