Post by Rob Caprio on Mar 16, 2021 13:25:07 GMT -5
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Why did Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry give the alleged murder weapon, and all the other evidence, to the FBI when they had NO jurisdiction in the murder of President John F. Kennedy (JFK)?
I have covered this topic many times before, but if we go to Commission Exhibit (CE) 2147 we will see Jesse Curry admit he handed over the rifle to the FBI when they had NO jurisdiction!
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Q. What is the FBI office view on the rifle?
Curry. Well, you see there was an FBI agent [who] TOOK THE WEAPON FROM US so that we---see, we have to establish this continuous chain of possession, so in order not to have too many people in it we TURNED THIS WEAPON IT OVER to an FBI agent here in Dallas. He flew this to Washington and stayed with the evidence while they were examining the evidence, and then when they finished their examination he brought it back to Dallas and he will bring it back to us and return it to us. That was we will only have this---we’ll only have to establish that we gave him the evidence and he gave it back to us.
Q. Never out of his sight?
Curry. Never out of his sight.
Q. When do you expect to get it back?
Curry. Well, I say never out of his sight, and right now it’s in the vault, but I mean he can testify that it was in his possession all this time. (CE 2147--Press Conference of Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry, November 23, 1963, KLRD-TV, Reel 15)
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There is a lot to notice in this exchange. Firstly, notice how Curry said the FBI TOOK THE RIFLE FROM THEM, but then he quickly amended it to they GAVE THE RIFLE TO THE FBI. Curry was ordered to turn over everything to the FBI as this was NOT his idea since the FBI had NO jurisdiction in this murder. The killing of a president in 1963 was NOT a federal crime, thus, the FBI had no legal right to take anything. The same goes for the Secret Service (SS) who took the presidential limousine and the president’s body on November 22, 1963.
Mr. HUBERT - Do you remember anything about any FBI request coming to your attention indirectly that the FBI investigation would not be revealed?
Chief CURRY - What part of the investigation?
Mr. HUBERT - Any part. I mean was there any such communication, that you remember, at all from the FBI?
Chief CURRY - I had a lot of communications from local FBI who inferred that these orders were coming out of Washington, or the questions were coming out of Washington about various things, insisting that the evidence be shipped up there immediately, and the fact that we shouldn't show anything on television.
Secondly, this FBI agent (Vincent Drain) had NO jurisdiction to take the evidence to the bathroom in the Dallas Police Department (DPD) headquarters, let alone all the way to Washington, D.C. When evidence is given to someone with NO jurisdiction then the CHAIN OF POSSESSION OR CUSTODY is BROKEN and this means the evidence cannot be used in a court of law then since the defense team will just argue it could have been tampered with. Furthermore, Curry said the evidence was never out of the sight of FBI SA Drain, but then he said it was locked in a vault where Drain no longer had custody of it or could see it.
Chief Curry would say that the DPD had jurisdiction in his WC testimony.
Mr. DULLES - Another general question: Have you any comments or anything you would like to say about the cooperation between the Dallas police, the Secret Service, and the FBI during this period immediately following, prior to and immediately following the assassination?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir. We have always had the best of cooperation between both of these Federal units, and all other units of the Federal and State government. I feel sure that they thought this information was important to us, they probably would have given it to us. But we certainly have not had any trouble with the FBI or with the Secret Service in any of our past associations.
Mr. DULLES - Was there any problem created because of the possible not conflict of authority, but question as to who had responsibility of particular areas here as between you as chief of police and the Secret Service and the FBI?
Mr. CURRY - Now, subsequent to that, we felt this, that this was a murder that had been committed in the county, city and county of Dallas, and that we had prior, I mean we had jurisdiction over this. The FBI actually had no jurisdiction over it, the Secret Service actually had no jurisdiction over it. But in an effort to cooperate with these agencies we went all out to do whatever they wanted us to do that we could do to let them observe what was taking place, but actually we knew that this was a case that happened in Dallas, Tex., and would have to be tried in Dallas, Tex., and it was our responsibility to gather the evidence and present the evidence.
We kept getting calls from the FBI. They wanted this evidence up in Washington, in the laboratory, and there was some discussion, Fritz told me, he says, "Well, I need the evidence here, I need to get some people to try to identify the gun, to try to identify this pistol and these things, and if it is in Washington how can I do it?"
But we finally, the night, about midnight of Friday night, we agreed to let the FBI have all the evidence and they said they would bring it to their laboratory and they would have an agent stand by and when they were finished with it to return it to us.
This shows the DPD were bullied into releasing the evidence to a group, the FBI, who had NO jurisdiction in the crime, and thus, had NO right to the evidence. At this point the same result would be reached if the DPD had given the evidence to the Mafia. The SS also violated the law by taking the limousine and body of JFK at gunpoint. If the crime was truly the work of a lone gunman what was the rush to judgment that trampled on the law and ruined the evidence then?
We will see in the WC Report (WCR) that the FBI and SS had NO legal jurisdiction too IF a lone gunman was the culprit.
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There was NO Federal criminal jurisdiction over the assassination of President Kennedy. Had there been reason to believe that the assassination was the result of a conspiracy, Federal jurisdiction could have been asserted; it long has been a Federal law to conspire to injure any Federal officer, on account of, or while he is engaged in, the lawful discharge of the duties of his office. Murder of a President has NEVER been covered by Federal law, however, so that once it became reasonably clear that the killing was an act of a single person, the state of Texas had EXCLUSIVE jurisdiction.” (WCR, p.454) (emphasis mine)
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This shows us IF Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) acted alone and the FBI and SS in Washington, D.C. believed this then they VIOLATED THE LAW by taking all the evidence on November 22 and November 23, 1963. However, IF they believed a CONSPIRACY was involved in the murder of JFK then they had the right to take all the evidence since this entered their area of jurisdiction.
Their actions leave us with ONLY two conclusions and they BOTH point to a conspiracy in the assassination of JFK. Firstly, they believed a conspiracy was involved, and secondly, they enacted a COVER-UP to hide the fact a conspiracy was involved in the assassination of JFK. There is NO reason for them to act like this IF they believed JFK was murdered by a lone gunman as claimed. This one point shows us a conspiracy took place in the assassination of JFK.
The above quoted passage of the WCR also shows that Texas had the sole legal jurisdiction of the crime IF a single person was involved. This means the following:
(1) If the FBI and SS thought a conspiracy was involved in the murder of JFK on the day of November 22, 1963, then they would have been justified in taking the evidence;
(2) However, since LHO was pronounced guilty by no later than 11:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963 of killing JFK all alone, they had neither the right to demand the evidence or they had legal obligation to RETURN what they took (i.e. limousine and body of JFK)!
And yet, we saw they did neither. Why NOT? Allen Dulles would ask this question of Chief Curry regarding who took the evidence and who accompanied it to Washington, D.C.
Mr. CURRY - …But we finally, the night, about midnight of Friday night, we agreed to let the FBI have all the evidence and they said they would bring it to their laboratory and they would have an agent stand by and when they were finished with it to return it to us.
Mr. DULLES - An agent of the police force, you mean?
Mr. CURRY - An agent of the FBI.
Mr. DULLES - FBI?
Mr. CURRY - Yes.
Mr. DULLES - There was no agent of the Dallas police that went to Washington with the evidence?
Mr. CURRY - Not to my knowledge.
This says it all! He said about “midnight of Friday night…we agreed to let the FBI have all the evidence…”, but as I just said it was determined at 11:30 p.m. that LHO was the SOLE KILLER of JFK, thus, based on what the WC itself wrote the FBI was NOT ENTITLED to the evidence in accordance with the law! To add insult to injury, the DPD then sent the evidence the FBI had NO legal right to without anyone from the jurisdiction with legal right (i.e. city of Dallas and state of Texas) accompanying it! The state of Texas just sunk their entire case with this action as the chain of possession/custody was broken for every piece of evidence. Then add in the fact that the FBI did NOT return all the evidence and changed some (i.e. Minox camera became a “light meter”) and you have NO credible expectation of the courts of Texas accepting any of this.
The only reason they would do this IMO is that they knew NO trial would be taking place anyway. Otherwise, they would have been committing suicide as LHO would have walked on both charges.
Can anyone tell me why the DPD would give evidence to a group that had NO jurisdiction in the crime, and thus, destroy their own chances at a trial? Also, if you don’t believe that the FBI and SS acted the way they did because they thought the crime was committed by a conspiracy (then they would have acted accordingly) then explain why they would have done this if they thought the crime was committed by one person. Surely, they knew this was NOT a legal way to handle things.
[Note: President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) would give the FBI and SS jurisdiction legally on November 26, 1963, when he signed a presidential decree making them in charge of this murder. Why did they just NOT wait until then to take the evidence? What was the rush? Or conversely, why did NOT LBJ not issue this decree sooner?]
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Why did Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry give the alleged murder weapon, and all the other evidence, to the FBI when they had NO jurisdiction in the murder of President John F. Kennedy (JFK)?
I have covered this topic many times before, but if we go to Commission Exhibit (CE) 2147 we will see Jesse Curry admit he handed over the rifle to the FBI when they had NO jurisdiction!
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www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pages/WH_Vol24_0398b.gif
Q. What is the FBI office view on the rifle?
Curry. Well, you see there was an FBI agent [who] TOOK THE WEAPON FROM US so that we---see, we have to establish this continuous chain of possession, so in order not to have too many people in it we TURNED THIS WEAPON IT OVER to an FBI agent here in Dallas. He flew this to Washington and stayed with the evidence while they were examining the evidence, and then when they finished their examination he brought it back to Dallas and he will bring it back to us and return it to us. That was we will only have this---we’ll only have to establish that we gave him the evidence and he gave it back to us.
Q. Never out of his sight?
Curry. Never out of his sight.
Q. When do you expect to get it back?
Curry. Well, I say never out of his sight, and right now it’s in the vault, but I mean he can testify that it was in his possession all this time. (CE 2147--Press Conference of Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry, November 23, 1963, KLRD-TV, Reel 15)
www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0398b.htm
There is a lot to notice in this exchange. Firstly, notice how Curry said the FBI TOOK THE RIFLE FROM THEM, but then he quickly amended it to they GAVE THE RIFLE TO THE FBI. Curry was ordered to turn over everything to the FBI as this was NOT his idea since the FBI had NO jurisdiction in this murder. The killing of a president in 1963 was NOT a federal crime, thus, the FBI had no legal right to take anything. The same goes for the Secret Service (SS) who took the presidential limousine and the president’s body on November 22, 1963.
Mr. HUBERT - Do you remember anything about any FBI request coming to your attention indirectly that the FBI investigation would not be revealed?
Chief CURRY - What part of the investigation?
Mr. HUBERT - Any part. I mean was there any such communication, that you remember, at all from the FBI?
Chief CURRY - I had a lot of communications from local FBI who inferred that these orders were coming out of Washington, or the questions were coming out of Washington about various things, insisting that the evidence be shipped up there immediately, and the fact that we shouldn't show anything on television.
Secondly, this FBI agent (Vincent Drain) had NO jurisdiction to take the evidence to the bathroom in the Dallas Police Department (DPD) headquarters, let alone all the way to Washington, D.C. When evidence is given to someone with NO jurisdiction then the CHAIN OF POSSESSION OR CUSTODY is BROKEN and this means the evidence cannot be used in a court of law then since the defense team will just argue it could have been tampered with. Furthermore, Curry said the evidence was never out of the sight of FBI SA Drain, but then he said it was locked in a vault where Drain no longer had custody of it or could see it.
Chief Curry would say that the DPD had jurisdiction in his WC testimony.
Mr. DULLES - Another general question: Have you any comments or anything you would like to say about the cooperation between the Dallas police, the Secret Service, and the FBI during this period immediately following, prior to and immediately following the assassination?
Mr. CURRY - No, sir. We have always had the best of cooperation between both of these Federal units, and all other units of the Federal and State government. I feel sure that they thought this information was important to us, they probably would have given it to us. But we certainly have not had any trouble with the FBI or with the Secret Service in any of our past associations.
Mr. DULLES - Was there any problem created because of the possible not conflict of authority, but question as to who had responsibility of particular areas here as between you as chief of police and the Secret Service and the FBI?
Mr. CURRY - Now, subsequent to that, we felt this, that this was a murder that had been committed in the county, city and county of Dallas, and that we had prior, I mean we had jurisdiction over this. The FBI actually had no jurisdiction over it, the Secret Service actually had no jurisdiction over it. But in an effort to cooperate with these agencies we went all out to do whatever they wanted us to do that we could do to let them observe what was taking place, but actually we knew that this was a case that happened in Dallas, Tex., and would have to be tried in Dallas, Tex., and it was our responsibility to gather the evidence and present the evidence.
We kept getting calls from the FBI. They wanted this evidence up in Washington, in the laboratory, and there was some discussion, Fritz told me, he says, "Well, I need the evidence here, I need to get some people to try to identify the gun, to try to identify this pistol and these things, and if it is in Washington how can I do it?"
But we finally, the night, about midnight of Friday night, we agreed to let the FBI have all the evidence and they said they would bring it to their laboratory and they would have an agent stand by and when they were finished with it to return it to us.
This shows the DPD were bullied into releasing the evidence to a group, the FBI, who had NO jurisdiction in the crime, and thus, had NO right to the evidence. At this point the same result would be reached if the DPD had given the evidence to the Mafia. The SS also violated the law by taking the limousine and body of JFK at gunpoint. If the crime was truly the work of a lone gunman what was the rush to judgment that trampled on the law and ruined the evidence then?
We will see in the WC Report (WCR) that the FBI and SS had NO legal jurisdiction too IF a lone gunman was the culprit.
Quote on
www.historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/pages/WCReport_0239b.gif
There was NO Federal criminal jurisdiction over the assassination of President Kennedy. Had there been reason to believe that the assassination was the result of a conspiracy, Federal jurisdiction could have been asserted; it long has been a Federal law to conspire to injure any Federal officer, on account of, or while he is engaged in, the lawful discharge of the duties of his office. Murder of a President has NEVER been covered by Federal law, however, so that once it became reasonably clear that the killing was an act of a single person, the state of Texas had EXCLUSIVE jurisdiction.” (WCR, p.454) (emphasis mine)
www.historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0239b.htm
Quote off
This shows us IF Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) acted alone and the FBI and SS in Washington, D.C. believed this then they VIOLATED THE LAW by taking all the evidence on November 22 and November 23, 1963. However, IF they believed a CONSPIRACY was involved in the murder of JFK then they had the right to take all the evidence since this entered their area of jurisdiction.
Their actions leave us with ONLY two conclusions and they BOTH point to a conspiracy in the assassination of JFK. Firstly, they believed a conspiracy was involved, and secondly, they enacted a COVER-UP to hide the fact a conspiracy was involved in the assassination of JFK. There is NO reason for them to act like this IF they believed JFK was murdered by a lone gunman as claimed. This one point shows us a conspiracy took place in the assassination of JFK.
The above quoted passage of the WCR also shows that Texas had the sole legal jurisdiction of the crime IF a single person was involved. This means the following:
(1) If the FBI and SS thought a conspiracy was involved in the murder of JFK on the day of November 22, 1963, then they would have been justified in taking the evidence;
(2) However, since LHO was pronounced guilty by no later than 11:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963 of killing JFK all alone, they had neither the right to demand the evidence or they had legal obligation to RETURN what they took (i.e. limousine and body of JFK)!
And yet, we saw they did neither. Why NOT? Allen Dulles would ask this question of Chief Curry regarding who took the evidence and who accompanied it to Washington, D.C.
Mr. CURRY - …But we finally, the night, about midnight of Friday night, we agreed to let the FBI have all the evidence and they said they would bring it to their laboratory and they would have an agent stand by and when they were finished with it to return it to us.
Mr. DULLES - An agent of the police force, you mean?
Mr. CURRY - An agent of the FBI.
Mr. DULLES - FBI?
Mr. CURRY - Yes.
Mr. DULLES - There was no agent of the Dallas police that went to Washington with the evidence?
Mr. CURRY - Not to my knowledge.
This says it all! He said about “midnight of Friday night…we agreed to let the FBI have all the evidence…”, but as I just said it was determined at 11:30 p.m. that LHO was the SOLE KILLER of JFK, thus, based on what the WC itself wrote the FBI was NOT ENTITLED to the evidence in accordance with the law! To add insult to injury, the DPD then sent the evidence the FBI had NO legal right to without anyone from the jurisdiction with legal right (i.e. city of Dallas and state of Texas) accompanying it! The state of Texas just sunk their entire case with this action as the chain of possession/custody was broken for every piece of evidence. Then add in the fact that the FBI did NOT return all the evidence and changed some (i.e. Minox camera became a “light meter”) and you have NO credible expectation of the courts of Texas accepting any of this.
The only reason they would do this IMO is that they knew NO trial would be taking place anyway. Otherwise, they would have been committing suicide as LHO would have walked on both charges.
Can anyone tell me why the DPD would give evidence to a group that had NO jurisdiction in the crime, and thus, destroy their own chances at a trial? Also, if you don’t believe that the FBI and SS acted the way they did because they thought the crime was committed by a conspiracy (then they would have acted accordingly) then explain why they would have done this if they thought the crime was committed by one person. Surely, they knew this was NOT a legal way to handle things.
[Note: President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) would give the FBI and SS jurisdiction legally on November 26, 1963, when he signed a presidential decree making them in charge of this murder. Why did they just NOT wait until then to take the evidence? What was the rush? Or conversely, why did NOT LBJ not issue this decree sooner?]