Post by Rob Caprio on Mar 16, 2021 14:19:08 GMT -5
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If we go to FBI Expert Paul Stombaugh’s Warren Commission (WC) testimony and do a search on “pubic hairs” we will see forty-three references to this topic? Why? It seems they were used to tie things to Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO). Here is an example.
Mr. EISENBERG. And what type of debris did you find, Mr. Stombaugh?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. I found numerous foreign textile fibers of various types and colors, as well as a number of limb and pubic hairs.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you draw any conclusions as to those hairs upon your initial examination of them?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; I did. They all had originated from a person of the Caucasian race and I compared these hairs with hair samples obtained from Harvey Oswald----
Mr. EISENBERG. That is Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. That is, Lee Harvey Oswald, and I found that of the limb and pubic hairs I removed from the blanket, several matched Oswald's in all observable microscopic characteristics and could have originated from Oswald.
We see they were used, along with limb hairs, to try and match the blanket (Commission Exhibit (CE) 140) to the alleged rifle, CE 139, that LHO allegedly took on the morning of November 22, 1963. His mistake, if it was one, is intriguing as he says he compared the pubic hairs to "Harvey Oswald" and had to be corrected. Did he know there were TWO Oswalds? Just wondering. Also, you will note the usual "could have" game being played instead of a POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION being presented.
We were even given a comparison photograph showing the hair from the blanket to a known LHO pubic hair.
CE 672: www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0178b.jpg
Mr. DULLES. That was taken from the blanket. The right-hand is taken from the blanket and the left-hand hairs were taken from Oswald himself?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir; these are from Oswald.
Mr. DULLES. Yes.
Mr. STOMBAUGH. This is a comparison shot. This photograph was taken through two microscopes simultaneously showing how this portion of a pubic hair from the blanket matched a pubic hair from Oswald, which is this portion of the photograph.
Mr. EISENBERG. You are pointing to the right side of the chart 672?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; this photograph was taken at 100 diameters and this photograph was taken at 400 diameters. There is a difference there also.
Mr. EISENBERG. That is Oswald's pubic hairs, a known sample?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; this is a general shot of his known sample.
Later on though Stombaugh made a startling comment (as startling as one can be when discussing pubic hairs) about LHO’s pubic hair.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could you circle that with a pen, and mark it "A" on chart 672?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Here we see that it twists and it is very uneven. The shaft of the hair is generally very uneven in pubic hairs. However, in Oswald's pubic hairs we had very little of this. The hairs were very smooth. They lacked this nobbiness. The upper two-thirds were extremely smooth for pubic hairs. This was an unusual characteristic.
The tips of Oswald's pubic hairs were not worn. They had a very sharp tip and very clear. Ordinarily pubic hairs are rounded at the tips, and not pointed--this is from wearing against clothing -- at all. This would indicate to me that his pubic hairs were rather strong, much tougher than the average persons.
It would seem LHO had very “unusual” and “very strong” pubic hair. Again, this is what was used to supposedly match the blanket to LHO.
Mr. EISENBERG. You have been discussing the characteristics of Oswald's pubic hairs. In each case were the characteristics of the pubic hairs you found in the blanket the same as those you have noted as being present in Oswald's pubic hairs?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir; they were all identical.
If this was LHO’s blanket, and that is still an if, then someone else also used it as Stombaugh said this later in his testimony.
Mr. EISENBERG. Were there any characteristics in which they were not identical?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. No; not on the limb hair, as I found it matched. I did find limb hairs and pubic hairs and head hairs in this blanket which were dissimilar to Oswald's and definitely did not come from him but the hairs I have talked about here matched in all microscopical characteristics.
Mr. EISENBERG. The other hairs, Mr. Stombaugh, could you make a determination as to race?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; they were all Caucasian.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could you make a determination as to sex or age?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. No; it is not possible to determine sex or age from an examination of a hair.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could you make a determination as to the number of individuals who had contributed these hairs?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. No; I couldn't. You would have to have a hair sample from any suspected person, and hairs vary tremendously. Even on the same individual head hairs from the same individual can vary from one head area to another.
Ah, here is a clue, why was Marina and her daughter June NOT tested to see if they matched these other hairs? That would have shown us if anyone else in the family used the blanket or if they came from someone outside the family. Despite the long discussion about pubic hairs the FBI could still NOT match the blanket to LHO via the pubic hair found on it.
Mr. EISENBERG. Now, Mr. Stombaugh, are you able to say that the limb hairs and pubic hairs which you found in the blanket and which you have matched with Oswald's in observable microscopic characteristics came from Oswald to the exclusion of any other individual?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. No; I couldn't say that. I could say that these hairs could have come from Oswald. I could not say they definitely came from him to the exclusion of all other Caucasian persons in the world.
In order to say this, one would have to take hair samples from all of these people and compare them and this, of course, is impossible.
Impossible, like all the WC’s attempts to make things tie in to LHO. Despite his answer the WC would try and make him give them a “probability” of the hairs having come from LHO. All this did was sink the WC’s attempt even more.
Mr. EISENBERG. What degree of probability do you think there is that these hairs came from Oswald? And without putting a precise number on it, let's suppose you took head hairs from 100 Caucasion individuals, how many matches would you expect to find among those hundred different hairs on the basis of your experience?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. On the basis of my experience I would expect to find only one match.
Mr. EISENBERG. That is to say that the 100 hairs would be different from each other?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG. Is your experience, therefore, that the hairs of different individuals do not match in observable microscopic characteristics--within the basis of your experience?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Within the basis of my experience, I have examined thousands of hairs and I have never found Caucasian hairs from two different individuals that match.
Oops. This means the FACT they did NOT match to LHO shows the pubic hairs were NOT LHO’s, thus, the blanket was NOT used by LHO in all likelihood. This again shows the “could have” game of the WC is a waste of time. IF each person’s hair is unique and can be identified then the fact he could NOT identify the limb and pubic hairs found to be LHO’s then they were NOT his. All the fancy wording and game playing by the WC cannot change that.
Again we see LHO’s pubic hair is very unusual and you will see the importance of this in a moment.
Mr. STOMBAUGH. That is correct. Oswald's hairs, where the nobbiness did appear was in the lower third, in other words, the area from the root out on the shaft approximately one-third. The remaining two-thirds of the hair shaft all the way out to the tip was relatively straight, no nobbiness at all present. This was characteristic. Ordinarily a pubic hair will have this nobbiness two-thirds to three-fourths of the way up. So this was a characteristic which exists in Oswald's pubic hairs which is different from the ordinary or average.
Mr. DULLES. And you found that both on the hairs taken from Oswald himself and on the hairs found in the blanket?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; I did.
Since Stombaugh couldn’t identify the hairs allegedly found on CE 140 as LHO’s to the exclusion of everyone else, they were trying to find another way to show these were LHO’s. So they used “very different” characteristic of the pubic hair to try and show it was his.
You may be wondering why I even delved into this question, but the reason is when I was doing another post and looking at LHO’s autopsy report this jumped out at me.
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Hair distribution is normal. THE PUBIC AREA AS BEEN SHAVED. (LHO Autopsy Report) (Emphasis added)
www.jmasland.com/cat_content.asp?contentid=108
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Since I doubt the folks at Parkland Hospital (PH) would bother to do this since he was NOT shot in the groin, who shaved LHO’s pubic area? Was it LHO himself? Some may say it was done at the autopsy, but why would they need to do this? In fact, if we check J.D. Tippit’s (JDT) autopsy notes we will NOT see this comment.
JDT's Autopsy Report:
texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338568/m1/1/
This shows the pubic area had been shaved prior to the autopsy. IF LHO had been shot in the lower abdomen I could see perhaps the staff at PH shaving this area, but he was shot high in the abdomen near the chest area. So what gives here?
Can any WC defender tell me if the hairs Stombaugh was given, and he did not know how they were collected, were LHO’s?
Mr. EISENBERG. Where did you get the known sample, Mr. Stombaugh, of Lee Oswald's hair?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. These were obtained and were sent to the laboratory by the FBI office in Dallas.
I do not know whether the agent in Dallas personally took the samples or had a member of the Dallas Police Department take the samples.
Given this poor chain of custody (in the other areas Stombaugh was able to say he took samples himself), how do we know these are truly samples of LHO’s?
Again, can any WC defender show me that the samples given to Stombaugh and claimed to be from LHO’s pubic region actually came from him? Also, can you explain when LHO’s pubic region was shaved and why?
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If we go to FBI Expert Paul Stombaugh’s Warren Commission (WC) testimony and do a search on “pubic hairs” we will see forty-three references to this topic? Why? It seems they were used to tie things to Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO). Here is an example.
Mr. EISENBERG. And what type of debris did you find, Mr. Stombaugh?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. I found numerous foreign textile fibers of various types and colors, as well as a number of limb and pubic hairs.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you draw any conclusions as to those hairs upon your initial examination of them?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; I did. They all had originated from a person of the Caucasian race and I compared these hairs with hair samples obtained from Harvey Oswald----
Mr. EISENBERG. That is Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. That is, Lee Harvey Oswald, and I found that of the limb and pubic hairs I removed from the blanket, several matched Oswald's in all observable microscopic characteristics and could have originated from Oswald.
We see they were used, along with limb hairs, to try and match the blanket (Commission Exhibit (CE) 140) to the alleged rifle, CE 139, that LHO allegedly took on the morning of November 22, 1963. His mistake, if it was one, is intriguing as he says he compared the pubic hairs to "Harvey Oswald" and had to be corrected. Did he know there were TWO Oswalds? Just wondering. Also, you will note the usual "could have" game being played instead of a POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION being presented.
We were even given a comparison photograph showing the hair from the blanket to a known LHO pubic hair.
CE 672: www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0178b.jpg
Mr. DULLES. That was taken from the blanket. The right-hand is taken from the blanket and the left-hand hairs were taken from Oswald himself?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir; these are from Oswald.
Mr. DULLES. Yes.
Mr. STOMBAUGH. This is a comparison shot. This photograph was taken through two microscopes simultaneously showing how this portion of a pubic hair from the blanket matched a pubic hair from Oswald, which is this portion of the photograph.
Mr. EISENBERG. You are pointing to the right side of the chart 672?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; this photograph was taken at 100 diameters and this photograph was taken at 400 diameters. There is a difference there also.
Mr. EISENBERG. That is Oswald's pubic hairs, a known sample?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; this is a general shot of his known sample.
Later on though Stombaugh made a startling comment (as startling as one can be when discussing pubic hairs) about LHO’s pubic hair.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could you circle that with a pen, and mark it "A" on chart 672?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Here we see that it twists and it is very uneven. The shaft of the hair is generally very uneven in pubic hairs. However, in Oswald's pubic hairs we had very little of this. The hairs were very smooth. They lacked this nobbiness. The upper two-thirds were extremely smooth for pubic hairs. This was an unusual characteristic.
The tips of Oswald's pubic hairs were not worn. They had a very sharp tip and very clear. Ordinarily pubic hairs are rounded at the tips, and not pointed--this is from wearing against clothing -- at all. This would indicate to me that his pubic hairs were rather strong, much tougher than the average persons.
It would seem LHO had very “unusual” and “very strong” pubic hair. Again, this is what was used to supposedly match the blanket to LHO.
Mr. EISENBERG. You have been discussing the characteristics of Oswald's pubic hairs. In each case were the characteristics of the pubic hairs you found in the blanket the same as those you have noted as being present in Oswald's pubic hairs?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir; they were all identical.
If this was LHO’s blanket, and that is still an if, then someone else also used it as Stombaugh said this later in his testimony.
Mr. EISENBERG. Were there any characteristics in which they were not identical?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. No; not on the limb hair, as I found it matched. I did find limb hairs and pubic hairs and head hairs in this blanket which were dissimilar to Oswald's and definitely did not come from him but the hairs I have talked about here matched in all microscopical characteristics.
Mr. EISENBERG. The other hairs, Mr. Stombaugh, could you make a determination as to race?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; they were all Caucasian.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could you make a determination as to sex or age?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. No; it is not possible to determine sex or age from an examination of a hair.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could you make a determination as to the number of individuals who had contributed these hairs?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. No; I couldn't. You would have to have a hair sample from any suspected person, and hairs vary tremendously. Even on the same individual head hairs from the same individual can vary from one head area to another.
Ah, here is a clue, why was Marina and her daughter June NOT tested to see if they matched these other hairs? That would have shown us if anyone else in the family used the blanket or if they came from someone outside the family. Despite the long discussion about pubic hairs the FBI could still NOT match the blanket to LHO via the pubic hair found on it.
Mr. EISENBERG. Now, Mr. Stombaugh, are you able to say that the limb hairs and pubic hairs which you found in the blanket and which you have matched with Oswald's in observable microscopic characteristics came from Oswald to the exclusion of any other individual?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. No; I couldn't say that. I could say that these hairs could have come from Oswald. I could not say they definitely came from him to the exclusion of all other Caucasian persons in the world.
In order to say this, one would have to take hair samples from all of these people and compare them and this, of course, is impossible.
Impossible, like all the WC’s attempts to make things tie in to LHO. Despite his answer the WC would try and make him give them a “probability” of the hairs having come from LHO. All this did was sink the WC’s attempt even more.
Mr. EISENBERG. What degree of probability do you think there is that these hairs came from Oswald? And without putting a precise number on it, let's suppose you took head hairs from 100 Caucasion individuals, how many matches would you expect to find among those hundred different hairs on the basis of your experience?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. On the basis of my experience I would expect to find only one match.
Mr. EISENBERG. That is to say that the 100 hairs would be different from each other?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG. Is your experience, therefore, that the hairs of different individuals do not match in observable microscopic characteristics--within the basis of your experience?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Within the basis of my experience, I have examined thousands of hairs and I have never found Caucasian hairs from two different individuals that match.
Oops. This means the FACT they did NOT match to LHO shows the pubic hairs were NOT LHO’s, thus, the blanket was NOT used by LHO in all likelihood. This again shows the “could have” game of the WC is a waste of time. IF each person’s hair is unique and can be identified then the fact he could NOT identify the limb and pubic hairs found to be LHO’s then they were NOT his. All the fancy wording and game playing by the WC cannot change that.
Again we see LHO’s pubic hair is very unusual and you will see the importance of this in a moment.
Mr. STOMBAUGH. That is correct. Oswald's hairs, where the nobbiness did appear was in the lower third, in other words, the area from the root out on the shaft approximately one-third. The remaining two-thirds of the hair shaft all the way out to the tip was relatively straight, no nobbiness at all present. This was characteristic. Ordinarily a pubic hair will have this nobbiness two-thirds to three-fourths of the way up. So this was a characteristic which exists in Oswald's pubic hairs which is different from the ordinary or average.
Mr. DULLES. And you found that both on the hairs taken from Oswald himself and on the hairs found in the blanket?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; I did.
Since Stombaugh couldn’t identify the hairs allegedly found on CE 140 as LHO’s to the exclusion of everyone else, they were trying to find another way to show these were LHO’s. So they used “very different” characteristic of the pubic hair to try and show it was his.
You may be wondering why I even delved into this question, but the reason is when I was doing another post and looking at LHO’s autopsy report this jumped out at me.
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Hair distribution is normal. THE PUBIC AREA AS BEEN SHAVED. (LHO Autopsy Report) (Emphasis added)
www.jmasland.com/cat_content.asp?contentid=108
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Since I doubt the folks at Parkland Hospital (PH) would bother to do this since he was NOT shot in the groin, who shaved LHO’s pubic area? Was it LHO himself? Some may say it was done at the autopsy, but why would they need to do this? In fact, if we check J.D. Tippit’s (JDT) autopsy notes we will NOT see this comment.
JDT's Autopsy Report:
texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338568/m1/1/
This shows the pubic area had been shaved prior to the autopsy. IF LHO had been shot in the lower abdomen I could see perhaps the staff at PH shaving this area, but he was shot high in the abdomen near the chest area. So what gives here?
Can any WC defender tell me if the hairs Stombaugh was given, and he did not know how they were collected, were LHO’s?
Mr. EISENBERG. Where did you get the known sample, Mr. Stombaugh, of Lee Oswald's hair?
Mr. STOMBAUGH. These were obtained and were sent to the laboratory by the FBI office in Dallas.
I do not know whether the agent in Dallas personally took the samples or had a member of the Dallas Police Department take the samples.
Given this poor chain of custody (in the other areas Stombaugh was able to say he took samples himself), how do we know these are truly samples of LHO’s?
Again, can any WC defender show me that the samples given to Stombaugh and claimed to be from LHO’s pubic region actually came from him? Also, can you explain when LHO’s pubic region was shaved and why?