Post by Rob Caprio on Apr 26, 2021 12:53:16 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) said Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) acted alone in killing President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on November 22, 1963. They also claimed that he fired alone at General Edwin Walker in April 1963.
To reach these conclusions they had to IGNORE much of their OWN evidence. This post will look at more evidence that at least required some investigation into it, but once again the WC dismissed it and did not bother to do any investigation into this evidence.
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We have looked at the background of General Edwin Walker before on this Board as well as his comments regarding the attempt on his life on April 10, 1963. This post will look at his comments before the WC regarding his thoughts that LHO was part of a CONSPIRACY to murder JFK.
I have quoted this before, but it will be helpful to quote it again to start off this post.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did Reynolds tell you that he thought there was some connection between the attack on him and Oswald killing Tippit?
General WALKER. We discussed that.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you that he thought there was a connection between the two?
General WALKER. He seemed to think there might be.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think there is?
General WALKER. Yes; I do.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any evidence to indicate that there is?
General WALKER. I think there is a definite I don't know that you could call it evidence but you can anticipate that people would like to shut up anybody that knows anything about this case. People right here in Dallas. And I don't think anybody knows or would have known at the time after November 22 how much or how little Warren Reynolds knew.
Mr. LIEBELER. In fact, he doesn't know very much, does he?
General WALKER. He would become a very good example, regardless of what he knew, to let everybody know that they better keep their mouths shut.
Beside from the incorrect assumption that LHO shot and killed Dallas Police officer J.D. Tippit (JDT) this is very interesting stuff. I say LHO did not kill JDT based on the evidence provided to us as well, and NOT some dying loyalty to LHO as the WC defenders claim. Walker clearly says that Warren Reynolds became an example of knowing to keep your mouth shut regardless of what you knew. Why would this be so IF one man killed JFK and JDT as claimed?
His next comment is so true and it applies to the WC totally.
Mr. LIEBELER. Well, now, wouldn't it be fair to say that that is pure speculation on your part?
General WALKER. Yes, but everything is speculation until you prove it or disprove it.
Sadly for the WC and their current day defenders, the WC neither proved LHO acted alone or disproved NO conspiracy was involved in the death of JFK, thus, they rely solely on SPECULATION for their claims.
The group who had the main job of investigating the murder of JFK and JDT was the Dallas Police Department (DPD) as they had the JURISDICTION for the crimes UNTIL President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) gave the FBI the jurisidiction on November 26, 1963. Since by this time the full investigation was complete and LHO was pronounced guilty it seems odd that the WC lawyer would say this to General Walker.
General WALKER. I may call him tonight and tell him the same thing. I think we are working in the same effort and same direction. I haven't done anything to hide on this thing. I do ask that you all get the chain of command straightened out here, or chain of responsibility with respect to the case.
Mr. LIEBELER. Those problems came up many times because there isn't any real chain of command or responsibility between these people. We don't have very much to do with the Dallas Police Department.
There is NO chain of command or responsibility between these people? Is he saying the DPD had NO chain of command? Then he says, “We don’t have very much to do with the Dallas Police Department.” What? They are the ones that led the investigation into both murders and supposedly solved both in less than two hours and you have NOTHING to do with them? Does this sound plausible or normal to you?
Now we come to the main point of this post.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now do you have any knowledge or any information that would indicate that Oswald was involved in a conspiracy of any type on the assassination of the President?
General WALKER. I think he designated his own conspiracy when he said he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. That to me is a definite recognition of Conspiracy.
Mr. LIEBELER. Suggesting that the Fair Play for Cuba Committee was involved?
General WALKER. I would say as a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, it could not be segregated from being involved in it when one of its members does it, who thinks like they do.
This point is so basic, but also so illuminating that it is quite confusing as to why no researcher of that time or current researcher has picked up on it to my knowledge (if one has, please let me know who and where). IF the WC defenders claim he was the ONLY member of his Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC) this does NOT cut it as he was still a member of a national organization and one the WC used to BRAND LHO a Communist with so you can’t have it both ways. This point alone should make one think of a possible conspiracy, but of course the WC did not.
Mr. LIEBELER. Well, that is of course, your view. My question of you is this.
Do you have any evidence or any knowledge that would either the involvement of organization in a conspiracy or plot to assassinate the President.
The fact that Oswald may have been a member of this organization, which he was, of course, is a fact that can be viewed from many different ways. But my question to you is somewhat different from that, and that is, do you know of or have any evidence to indicate that this organization or any other organization or any other person was involved with Oswald in the assassination of the President?
General WALKER. My answer to you is that I have exactly the evidence that you have, which is evidence that it was involved in the conspiracy, he said he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, and I the objectives of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee a Communist activity a conspiracy.
Look at what Liebeler says first. He says, “Well, that is of course, YOUR view.” Why wasn’t it the view of the FBI and the WC too? I mean they used this membership to brand him a Communist, but they don’t think then that this group could have aided LHO in any way WITHOUT even investigating this possibility? You can almost hear the dismissive tone in his comment. What made him so sure they were NOT involved in the murder of JFK? It sure wasn’t due to any investigation they did that much is for sure.
Walker is right in saying when one is a member of a group considered to be radical (whether it was or wasn’t I don’t know, but the WC sure painted it that way to make LHO look more sinister) the WHOLE group has to be considered when something like this has occurred, but the WC was not interested at all. Why if they were really searching for the truth as they claimed?
We have looked at the connection between Ruby and LHO before in this series in a number of ways, but Walker also discussed it before the WC, and again, it would cause the WC no concern.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you tell us what that is?
General WALKER. The indications seem to be not only mine, but all over the country that Rubenstein and Oswald had some association.
Mr. LIEBELER. Can you indicate to us what it was?
General WALKER. Well, I are wondering about one thing, how Rubenstein can take his car in to be fixed and Oswald can sign the ticket and pick up the car.
I have never heard of this before in regards to LHO picking up Jack Ruby’s car from a repair shop. The WC would try to get Walker to name names and he wouldn’t.
Mr. LIEBELER. Who told you that?
General WALKER. My information came from a repairman, from another fellow to a friend of mine, to me.
Mr. LIEBELER. Could you give us the name of the person?
General WALKER. I don't think it is necessary. I think you have all the information, because the information also includes the fact that the records were picked up in the repair shop.
We get some idea of what Walker is talking about from the words of DPD member William S. Biggio who worked out of the special service bureau, criminal intelligence section of the department. He would say this about the issue Walker mentioned before the WC.
Mr. JENNER. You appreciate the existence of the President's Commission and what the President's Commission is engaged in, in the investigating of the assassination of President Kennedy and many members of your force have been very helpful to us and have been appearing these last 2 weeks by considerable number. Tell us about this whole incident from the beginning--when it first came to your attention, who brought it to your attention and what developed thereafter?
Mr. BIGGIO. There was a friend of mine she is a woman who I know through my wife. She formerly was employed at the same location that my wife is, and she called me at work following Ruby's killing of Oswald. She said that a friend of hers had been into a restaurant in the downtown area and a mechanic had come in and had made mention of the fact that Oswald drove Ruby's car for approximately a 2-week period that he knew of, that Oswald had brought the car there for repairs to his garage.
The friend did not know where the garage was, did not know the mechanic's name. The woman who called me didn't want to give her friend's name and get his name involved if she could possibly help it.
Biggio explains that this person does NOT want their name given and does NOT want any publicity for this information, so WC defenders can’t say that is why she was saying this.
Mr. JENNER. All right; she didn't want any publicity, is that it?
Mr. BIGGIO. No; she doesn't want any publicity on it. I don't know why people are so scared of things like this, but if they get into court or before a panel or anything like that--at any rate, her friend doesn't want his name used either, but I talked to my lieutenant about it, Lieutenant Revill, and he suggested that we go ahead and write it up on the grounds that by searching through the material in Ruby's apartment and also through the material that had been taken from his automobile, we could possibly find a garage where a mechanic had done some work on his car. We would be able to contact the mechanic in that way without involving the two people who had called the information in.
When we did get photostatic copies of the material that had been taken out of Ruby's car and his apartment, we found no evidence of any garage work that had been done or any actual mechanical work that had been done on his car recently. So, I called my friend back and asked her again if she could contact the man who had given her the information and see if he would be willing to talk to us about it. She called him back and then she called me and she said she had made an error in saying it was in the downtown area, that the place was out on Lovers Lane, directly across from--I have the address in here—
Mr. JENNER. Is it 5060 W. Lovers Lane?
Mr. BIGGIO. Well; she didn't have the address itself--it was directly across from the Jungle Hut which is in the 5000 block of Lovers Lane.
Mr. JENNER. Lovers Lane is a street name?
Mr. BIGGIO. Yes; Lovers Lane is a street. We sent an officer out there, Detective Hellinghousen, F. A.
Detective Hellinghousen would speak with the woman who had called Biggio and he would eventually get the name of the man who had worked on Ruby’s car and it was William R. Chesher.
Mr. JENNER. Of the Dallas City Police?
Mr. BIGGIO. Yes, sir. …It had been closed--we couldn't find out who the owner was, so I sent Officer Hellinghousen and requested him to go by and talk to the woman who had originally given me that information and see if she would be willing to give him the same thing--the man's name. Officer Hellinghousen went by and talked to her and she gave him the man's name and at that particular time the man was attending a real estate convention which was here and being held here in Dallas and the word was sent to him from the company that he works for, the Bill Hardy Real Estate Co.--word was sent to the man, his name was Chesher [spelling] C-h-e-s-h-e-r--Bill was his first name. I believe it is correct--William R. He lives on Lupton Street.
As is the course in this case Mr. Chesher would NOT be around to tell what he saw as Biggio told the WC this.
Mr. JENNER. Is he still alive?
Mr. BIGGIO. No, sir. I tried to contact Hellinghousen today. Mr. Davis had gone up to talk to Captain Gannaway in regard to that report. I had understood that Hellinghousen had written a report from what he had learned from Mr. Chesher and I tried to contact him and could not, after Captain Gannaway had called me, so I went out to the Bill Hardy Real Estate Co. where Chesher works, and I talked to the manager of that company who is Wey, Jr…Mr. Wey informed us that Bill Chesher died night before last of a heart attack in the hospital here. We then asked him if he had talked to Chesher any about hearing this mechanic talking in the cafe and he said, "No, he had heard some talk of it, though and he knew one man who had talked to him" and he called in another employee of the company, Mr. John P. [spelling] S-c-h-n-i-t-z-i-u-s, who is also an employee of the Bill Hardy Real Estate Co. and he told us that Chesher told him the same thing, that the mechanic had came in and sat by him and it was--that it took place at approximately 10 o'clock at night. He was leaving town--he was going out of town. He stopped there to get coffee and a sandwich and the man came in while he was there and he had given no description of the mechanic other than that he was short and was dressed in work clothes and that the clothes were greasy and that's the information that he had, and I believe the man was telling the truth when he said he was a mechanic and that's as far as we have been able to go.
Why would the WC lawyer ask if the man was still alive like that? So it seems just as the DPD was about to track Chesher down he suddenly dies of a heart attack. Does anyone else find this a bit of a coincidence? Biggio would then tell the WC what Chesher had supposedly told Schnitzius.
Mr. JENNER. What is it that the mechanic is alleged to have said?
Mr. BIGGIO. He said that Oswald had been driving Ruby's car for approximately 2 weeks and that he had brought the car into his garage for repairs, but he did not mention the name of the garage or the type of repairs, the type of automobile or anything else.
Now, we, of course just as soon as that came through, there were checks made on the repairs on Ruby's automobile. His automobile was parked regularly, just a short distance up from the Carousel Club at the old Adolphus Hotel parking garage and also mechanical work had been done at that location, and the only other place we can find out where it had been to any type of garage at all was from receipts in his car and they were apparently for gas and oil and such things as that--no mechanical work whatsoever, so we didn't put much stock in the report, since it was third hand to start off with.
Also, we made an error ourselves--Hellinghousen thought when we brought that information back about Chesher that I would write up the report and I thought he was preparing the report, since he was the one who actually contacted the man and no report was made, but I'm sure the report went to the FBI, but there is no name in the original report connecting anybody with it and there was nothing in that that we could check on except the way we thought was through the mechanical repair bills and they would possibly be in the car.
Sure, and the report just did not get done as Biggio thought Hellinghousen did the report so why bother, right? He is sure the report went to the FBI, but why NOT find out for sure? Biggio called the woman who gave him the information “reliable” however and this should have been nailed down one way or the other, but once again it was left to stay inconclusive by the WC.
Researcher John Armstrong has written that the FBI came and took the book from Gibbs Auto Services on Field Street since Ruby parked his car there quite often. This book would show who borrowed this car. Here is what Armstrong has written about this.
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Ruby used to park his car at Gibbs Auto Service on Field Street. Leon Woods, the manager, kept a record of who borrowed Jack Ruby's car from the garage after receiving permission from Ruby. The FBI took the "check-out and check-in" book that reflected the use of Ruby's car and never returned it. When Dallas reporter Earl Golz asked the FBI about Gibbs Auto Service and the check-in/check-out book, they said they knew nothing about it. (John Armstrong, Harvey and Lee: The Case for Two Oswalds, Part 8, *PROBE,* Vol. 5, No. 1, November-December 1997)
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Why would the FBI confiscate evidence like this UNLESS it showed something they did NOT want others to see? Walker would be pressed for the name, but he kept saying he did not know the name and then he would say he would not tell.
Mr. LIEBELER. Could you give us the name of the person?
General WALKER. I don't think it is necessary. I think you have all the information, because the information also includes the fact that the records were picked up in the repair shop.
Mr. LIEBELER. Whether we have the information or not, I am asking you if you know the name of that repairman who said that Oswald said he picked up his car?
General WALKER. No; I don't.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do. you know the name of the garage?
General WALKER. No; I don't. As I remember, it was a hotel garage.
Mr. LIEBELER. Can you give us the name of the people that brought the information to you, so it can be traced back to this source? Who the garage-man is, apparently as you say, that it came from a garageman somewhere.
General WALKER. No; I think your sources are better than mine on this.
Mr. LIEBELER. That is not my question. My question is, do you know their names?
General WALKER. Yes; I do, but I am not telling.
We can see something Walker said is corroborated by the Biggio’s work as he said Ruby parked his car at the “old Adolphus Hotel parking garage and also mechanical work had been done at that location” so Walker is not passing out bad information here. Given the track record of health for witnesses that saw things that they shouldn’t have it is commendable that Walker is not naming names. Walker again uses logic and makes a lot of sense to me.
Mr. LIEBELER. So you are not going to tell us the names of these people?
General WALKER. We are all working in the best interests of this thing. I don't see where my sources of information have to be revealed. You know whether the information is any good or not, and I don't see any reason to get any more people involved than are already involved in it. The information is either correct or incorrect, and can be substantiated by your Commission, or it is not.
This that I am telling you is the information I have got. Now, if you all find out that it is absolutely necessary to your information, but revelation of the names of the people isn't necessary to your information with regard to the assassination. I think we have covered the assassination, and--as helpful as I can be don't think I wouldn't be delighted to see exactly all the truth that can probably come out of it, come out of it.
Basically he is saying to the WC, “You do your own work”, but the WC was NOT into investigating anything that did NOT affix guilt to LHO so they would never look into this even if he had given the names up. Liebeler kept pressing though for more information. Surely the FBI could find this stuff out if Walker did, right?
Walker will say both LHO and Ruby had ties to Billy DeMar (an entertainer at Ruby’s Carousel Club) and I have covered him before in this series.
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Probably some of the most convincing stories come from the employees of the Carousel Club. William D. Crowe, Jr. was a magician and entertainer who used the stage name of Bill DeMar. He was performing at the club at the time of the assassination. He would call a news media friend soon after LHO was arrested as he claimed that LHO had participated in his act just the previous week. On November 25 he told the Associated Press that he was “positive” that LHO had patronized Ruby’s club. He said:
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I have a memory act in which I have 20 customers call out various objects in rapid order. Then I tell them at random what they called out. I am positive Oswald was one of the men that called out an object about nine days ago.
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Crowe, a.k.a. DeMar, was known as a master hypnotist too, and of course some researchers have suggested that LHO was under some control in this area. A memo from CIA Director John McCone, dated March 3, 1964, to SS Chief James Rowley can be found in the National Archives. It states following his surgery at the Minsk hospital, Oswald might have been,
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"chemically or electronically 'controlled'... a sleeper agent. Subject spent 11 days hospitalized for a 'minor ailment' which should have required no more than three days hospitalization at best"...
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Some research that I have read says that Jack Ruby too was put under hypnosis from time to time by some “performer” who was pretending to offer a casual audition for the Carousel Club. We will never know for sure the extent of this, but we now know that mind control is very real and something the CIA worked on for many years (Operations MK-Ultra, Artichoke, etc…).
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This is tantalizing stuff as it could show William Crowe, a.k.a. Bill DeMar, was possibly controlling both LHO and Ruby through hypnosis or some other mind-controlling fashion. But I digress. Walker then said that LHO had lived in the same APARTMENT house where Ruby’s sister, Eva Grant, had lived.
Mr. LIEBELER. Aside from the fellow DeMar having made the statement, do you know of any other connection between Ruby and Oswald or any other common acquaintances that they may have?
General WALKER. I believe we verified that Oswald had been for a short period living in the same apartment house where Ruby's sister lived.
Mr. LIEBELER. What is Ruby's sister's name?
General WALKER. Eva Grant.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know what apartment house that is?
General WALKER. No; I don't recall.
Mr. LIEBELER. Who verified this?
General WALKER. I say I believe I verified it.
Mr. LIEBELER. You did yourself?
General WALKER. With assistance.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now, you are telling me that you conducted an investigation of some sort into the possibility that Ruby's sister, Eva Grant, and Oswald lived in the same apartment house? Now is that in the city of Dallas?
General WALKER. That is correct. And as I recall the address, I never did pinpoint it, but as I recall, it wouldn't be too far from where I live. And of course, I am still interested in my case with respect to Oswald, if there is any significance.
The reason I capitalized the word apartment is the LHO we know NEVER stayed at an apartment house (at least from what the WC told us) near where General Walker lived so who could this have been? Again, we turn to John Armstrong for more information on this topic.
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At 9:00 pm on November 21, 1963, while Lee Harvey Oswald was in Irving, Texas, at the Paine house with his wife and daughters, there was a knock on an apartment door in Oak Cliff. Helen McIntosh, a guest in the apartment, answered the door. A man she would later identify as Lee Harvey Oswald asked her if a man named Jack Ruby was in. McIntosh asked her friend if she knew a Jack Ruby; her friend said that Jack Ruby lived in the apartment next door, and McIntosh relayed this information to the young man, Lee Oswald. She forgot the incident until she saw Oswald on the television the following evening. (John Armstrong, "Harvey & Lee", p.789)
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Armstrong would write this on his “Harvey and Lee” website regarding FBI Agent James Hosty.
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FBI agent James Hosty, who never met Oswald face-to-face prior to November 22, 1963, told fellow FBI agent Carver Gayton that he left notes under Oswald's apartment door. But the Warren Commission reported that Oswald lived either at his rooming house (1026 N. Beckley) or at Ruth Paine's house in Irving, TX, neither of which was an apartment. Hosty could have left notes under the door at several of LEE Oswald's previous apartments including 507 E. 10th, 1106 Diceman Avenue, or an apartment in Oak Lawn that Ruby rented for Oswald (according to DPD informant T-1).
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So who was this person living in an APARTMENT then? It was NOT the man gunned down in the DPD basement on November 24, 1963, per the WC and Walker as he said the Neely Street apartment was not the one he was thinking of.
Mr. LIEBELER. Was the apartment on Neely Street, if you remember?
General WALKER. As I recall---is Neely over in Oak Cliff or on this side?
Mr. LIEBELER. It is in Oak Cliff.
General WALKER. No; it wasn't that far away.
Mr. LIEBELER. It wasn't in Oak Cliff at all?
General WALKER. Well, I had the idea at the time that it was on this side of town, out the side I am on.
So he felt the apartment house was near his home and NOT in Oak Cliff, thus, this again eliminates the LHO we all know. He would also say he found the fact that Ruby and LHO rented Postal Boxes in the same week suspicious and may show another piece of evidence for a connection between the two men.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any other information that would suggest a connection between these two men?
General WALKER. I think the two boxes in the post office are very interesting.
Mr. LIEBELER. Well, are you suggesting that because two men both happened to have post office boxes in the same post office, that that suggests there is some connection between them and indicates conspiracy to assassinate the President?
General WALKER. The boxes were rented the same week.
Mr. LIEBELER. Were what?
General WALKER. I believe the boxes were arranged the same week in the post office.
Mr. LIEBELER. Rented?
General WALKER. Rented.
Mr. LIEBELER. You think that suggests a conspiracy between Oswald and Ruby to assassinate the President?
General WALKER. I think that is more information.
Mr. LIEBELER. But I want to know.
General WALKER. That suggests a possible relationship. I think the fact that Rubenstein shot Oswald suggests plenty. I am convinced he couldn't have shot him except for one basic reason, and maybe many others, but to keep him quiet. That is what shooting people does. I think the whole city of Dallas is very interested.
This should have been investigated too, but once again the WC was not interested. The real question is why did this kind of stuff NOT interest the WC at all? Walker then goes into the death of Professor William Wolf shortly after the shot had been fired at him in April 1963. He said he found it odd that grown man could burn alive in a fire when his apartment was on the FIRST FLOOR. This happened just eight days after the shot was fired at him allegedly by LHO.
He then also mentions another professor named George Deen who died of natural causes when Walker said he was a “YOUNG doctor of psychiatry”. He was giving examples of some strange things going in Dallas prior to JFK’s murder and the WC lawyers has the gall to ask him this.
Mr. LIEBELER. What has that got to do with the assassination of President Kennedy? What are the facts about it?
Is he for real? What does LHO’s pubic hair have to do with the assassinaton of JFK? Or the thousands of other useless things the WC did in the course of their “investigation?” They interviewed more people who would have had NO knowledge of the murder than did and he asks this question? Priceless.
This statement shows LHO did NOT shoot at Walker on April 10, 1963, as Walker had a full-blown investigation going on in regards to this matter.
Mr. LIEBELER. In point of fact, it would be correct to state that, to your knowledge, you never saw or heard of Lee Harvey Oswald at any time prior to the time that his name was announced after the assassination on November 22, 1963?
General WALKER. That is correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. You had no connection of any sort whatsoever with him prior to that time?
General WALKER. None at all.
How could LHO have been the shooter, but totally fail to show up in Walker’s thorough investigation of the matter? Also, the man he would claim really shot at him, William Duff, had advised the Secret Service (SS) that Ruby had visited Walker on a “monthly basis.”
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The President’s Commission received a report from the United States Secret Service dated May 25 and 26, 1964, at Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, in which it is indicated that William M. Duff had advised that Jack Ruby had called at the residence of General Edwin Walker on a MONTHLY BASIS from December 1962, through March 1963. (Commission Document (CD) 1316-B, p. 16) (Emphasis mine)
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What purpose would Ruby have to visit Walker this often? And strangely enough, the visits stopped the month Walker would be shot at. Doesn’t this seem odd to you?
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The Warren Commission (WC) said Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) acted alone in killing President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on November 22, 1963. They also claimed that he fired alone at General Edwin Walker in April 1963.
To reach these conclusions they had to IGNORE much of their OWN evidence. This post will look at more evidence that at least required some investigation into it, but once again the WC dismissed it and did not bother to do any investigation into this evidence.
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We have looked at the background of General Edwin Walker before on this Board as well as his comments regarding the attempt on his life on April 10, 1963. This post will look at his comments before the WC regarding his thoughts that LHO was part of a CONSPIRACY to murder JFK.
I have quoted this before, but it will be helpful to quote it again to start off this post.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did Reynolds tell you that he thought there was some connection between the attack on him and Oswald killing Tippit?
General WALKER. We discussed that.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you that he thought there was a connection between the two?
General WALKER. He seemed to think there might be.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think there is?
General WALKER. Yes; I do.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any evidence to indicate that there is?
General WALKER. I think there is a definite I don't know that you could call it evidence but you can anticipate that people would like to shut up anybody that knows anything about this case. People right here in Dallas. And I don't think anybody knows or would have known at the time after November 22 how much or how little Warren Reynolds knew.
Mr. LIEBELER. In fact, he doesn't know very much, does he?
General WALKER. He would become a very good example, regardless of what he knew, to let everybody know that they better keep their mouths shut.
Beside from the incorrect assumption that LHO shot and killed Dallas Police officer J.D. Tippit (JDT) this is very interesting stuff. I say LHO did not kill JDT based on the evidence provided to us as well, and NOT some dying loyalty to LHO as the WC defenders claim. Walker clearly says that Warren Reynolds became an example of knowing to keep your mouth shut regardless of what you knew. Why would this be so IF one man killed JFK and JDT as claimed?
His next comment is so true and it applies to the WC totally.
Mr. LIEBELER. Well, now, wouldn't it be fair to say that that is pure speculation on your part?
General WALKER. Yes, but everything is speculation until you prove it or disprove it.
Sadly for the WC and their current day defenders, the WC neither proved LHO acted alone or disproved NO conspiracy was involved in the death of JFK, thus, they rely solely on SPECULATION for their claims.
The group who had the main job of investigating the murder of JFK and JDT was the Dallas Police Department (DPD) as they had the JURISDICTION for the crimes UNTIL President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) gave the FBI the jurisidiction on November 26, 1963. Since by this time the full investigation was complete and LHO was pronounced guilty it seems odd that the WC lawyer would say this to General Walker.
General WALKER. I may call him tonight and tell him the same thing. I think we are working in the same effort and same direction. I haven't done anything to hide on this thing. I do ask that you all get the chain of command straightened out here, or chain of responsibility with respect to the case.
Mr. LIEBELER. Those problems came up many times because there isn't any real chain of command or responsibility between these people. We don't have very much to do with the Dallas Police Department.
There is NO chain of command or responsibility between these people? Is he saying the DPD had NO chain of command? Then he says, “We don’t have very much to do with the Dallas Police Department.” What? They are the ones that led the investigation into both murders and supposedly solved both in less than two hours and you have NOTHING to do with them? Does this sound plausible or normal to you?
Now we come to the main point of this post.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now do you have any knowledge or any information that would indicate that Oswald was involved in a conspiracy of any type on the assassination of the President?
General WALKER. I think he designated his own conspiracy when he said he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. That to me is a definite recognition of Conspiracy.
Mr. LIEBELER. Suggesting that the Fair Play for Cuba Committee was involved?
General WALKER. I would say as a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, it could not be segregated from being involved in it when one of its members does it, who thinks like they do.
This point is so basic, but also so illuminating that it is quite confusing as to why no researcher of that time or current researcher has picked up on it to my knowledge (if one has, please let me know who and where). IF the WC defenders claim he was the ONLY member of his Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC) this does NOT cut it as he was still a member of a national organization and one the WC used to BRAND LHO a Communist with so you can’t have it both ways. This point alone should make one think of a possible conspiracy, but of course the WC did not.
Mr. LIEBELER. Well, that is of course, your view. My question of you is this.
Do you have any evidence or any knowledge that would either the involvement of organization in a conspiracy or plot to assassinate the President.
The fact that Oswald may have been a member of this organization, which he was, of course, is a fact that can be viewed from many different ways. But my question to you is somewhat different from that, and that is, do you know of or have any evidence to indicate that this organization or any other organization or any other person was involved with Oswald in the assassination of the President?
General WALKER. My answer to you is that I have exactly the evidence that you have, which is evidence that it was involved in the conspiracy, he said he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, and I the objectives of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee a Communist activity a conspiracy.
Look at what Liebeler says first. He says, “Well, that is of course, YOUR view.” Why wasn’t it the view of the FBI and the WC too? I mean they used this membership to brand him a Communist, but they don’t think then that this group could have aided LHO in any way WITHOUT even investigating this possibility? You can almost hear the dismissive tone in his comment. What made him so sure they were NOT involved in the murder of JFK? It sure wasn’t due to any investigation they did that much is for sure.
Walker is right in saying when one is a member of a group considered to be radical (whether it was or wasn’t I don’t know, but the WC sure painted it that way to make LHO look more sinister) the WHOLE group has to be considered when something like this has occurred, but the WC was not interested at all. Why if they were really searching for the truth as they claimed?
We have looked at the connection between Ruby and LHO before in this series in a number of ways, but Walker also discussed it before the WC, and again, it would cause the WC no concern.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you tell us what that is?
General WALKER. The indications seem to be not only mine, but all over the country that Rubenstein and Oswald had some association.
Mr. LIEBELER. Can you indicate to us what it was?
General WALKER. Well, I are wondering about one thing, how Rubenstein can take his car in to be fixed and Oswald can sign the ticket and pick up the car.
I have never heard of this before in regards to LHO picking up Jack Ruby’s car from a repair shop. The WC would try to get Walker to name names and he wouldn’t.
Mr. LIEBELER. Who told you that?
General WALKER. My information came from a repairman, from another fellow to a friend of mine, to me.
Mr. LIEBELER. Could you give us the name of the person?
General WALKER. I don't think it is necessary. I think you have all the information, because the information also includes the fact that the records were picked up in the repair shop.
We get some idea of what Walker is talking about from the words of DPD member William S. Biggio who worked out of the special service bureau, criminal intelligence section of the department. He would say this about the issue Walker mentioned before the WC.
Mr. JENNER. You appreciate the existence of the President's Commission and what the President's Commission is engaged in, in the investigating of the assassination of President Kennedy and many members of your force have been very helpful to us and have been appearing these last 2 weeks by considerable number. Tell us about this whole incident from the beginning--when it first came to your attention, who brought it to your attention and what developed thereafter?
Mr. BIGGIO. There was a friend of mine she is a woman who I know through my wife. She formerly was employed at the same location that my wife is, and she called me at work following Ruby's killing of Oswald. She said that a friend of hers had been into a restaurant in the downtown area and a mechanic had come in and had made mention of the fact that Oswald drove Ruby's car for approximately a 2-week period that he knew of, that Oswald had brought the car there for repairs to his garage.
The friend did not know where the garage was, did not know the mechanic's name. The woman who called me didn't want to give her friend's name and get his name involved if she could possibly help it.
Biggio explains that this person does NOT want their name given and does NOT want any publicity for this information, so WC defenders can’t say that is why she was saying this.
Mr. JENNER. All right; she didn't want any publicity, is that it?
Mr. BIGGIO. No; she doesn't want any publicity on it. I don't know why people are so scared of things like this, but if they get into court or before a panel or anything like that--at any rate, her friend doesn't want his name used either, but I talked to my lieutenant about it, Lieutenant Revill, and he suggested that we go ahead and write it up on the grounds that by searching through the material in Ruby's apartment and also through the material that had been taken from his automobile, we could possibly find a garage where a mechanic had done some work on his car. We would be able to contact the mechanic in that way without involving the two people who had called the information in.
When we did get photostatic copies of the material that had been taken out of Ruby's car and his apartment, we found no evidence of any garage work that had been done or any actual mechanical work that had been done on his car recently. So, I called my friend back and asked her again if she could contact the man who had given her the information and see if he would be willing to talk to us about it. She called him back and then she called me and she said she had made an error in saying it was in the downtown area, that the place was out on Lovers Lane, directly across from--I have the address in here—
Mr. JENNER. Is it 5060 W. Lovers Lane?
Mr. BIGGIO. Well; she didn't have the address itself--it was directly across from the Jungle Hut which is in the 5000 block of Lovers Lane.
Mr. JENNER. Lovers Lane is a street name?
Mr. BIGGIO. Yes; Lovers Lane is a street. We sent an officer out there, Detective Hellinghousen, F. A.
Detective Hellinghousen would speak with the woman who had called Biggio and he would eventually get the name of the man who had worked on Ruby’s car and it was William R. Chesher.
Mr. JENNER. Of the Dallas City Police?
Mr. BIGGIO. Yes, sir. …It had been closed--we couldn't find out who the owner was, so I sent Officer Hellinghousen and requested him to go by and talk to the woman who had originally given me that information and see if she would be willing to give him the same thing--the man's name. Officer Hellinghousen went by and talked to her and she gave him the man's name and at that particular time the man was attending a real estate convention which was here and being held here in Dallas and the word was sent to him from the company that he works for, the Bill Hardy Real Estate Co.--word was sent to the man, his name was Chesher [spelling] C-h-e-s-h-e-r--Bill was his first name. I believe it is correct--William R. He lives on Lupton Street.
As is the course in this case Mr. Chesher would NOT be around to tell what he saw as Biggio told the WC this.
Mr. JENNER. Is he still alive?
Mr. BIGGIO. No, sir. I tried to contact Hellinghousen today. Mr. Davis had gone up to talk to Captain Gannaway in regard to that report. I had understood that Hellinghousen had written a report from what he had learned from Mr. Chesher and I tried to contact him and could not, after Captain Gannaway had called me, so I went out to the Bill Hardy Real Estate Co. where Chesher works, and I talked to the manager of that company who is Wey, Jr…Mr. Wey informed us that Bill Chesher died night before last of a heart attack in the hospital here. We then asked him if he had talked to Chesher any about hearing this mechanic talking in the cafe and he said, "No, he had heard some talk of it, though and he knew one man who had talked to him" and he called in another employee of the company, Mr. John P. [spelling] S-c-h-n-i-t-z-i-u-s, who is also an employee of the Bill Hardy Real Estate Co. and he told us that Chesher told him the same thing, that the mechanic had came in and sat by him and it was--that it took place at approximately 10 o'clock at night. He was leaving town--he was going out of town. He stopped there to get coffee and a sandwich and the man came in while he was there and he had given no description of the mechanic other than that he was short and was dressed in work clothes and that the clothes were greasy and that's the information that he had, and I believe the man was telling the truth when he said he was a mechanic and that's as far as we have been able to go.
Why would the WC lawyer ask if the man was still alive like that? So it seems just as the DPD was about to track Chesher down he suddenly dies of a heart attack. Does anyone else find this a bit of a coincidence? Biggio would then tell the WC what Chesher had supposedly told Schnitzius.
Mr. JENNER. What is it that the mechanic is alleged to have said?
Mr. BIGGIO. He said that Oswald had been driving Ruby's car for approximately 2 weeks and that he had brought the car into his garage for repairs, but he did not mention the name of the garage or the type of repairs, the type of automobile or anything else.
Now, we, of course just as soon as that came through, there were checks made on the repairs on Ruby's automobile. His automobile was parked regularly, just a short distance up from the Carousel Club at the old Adolphus Hotel parking garage and also mechanical work had been done at that location, and the only other place we can find out where it had been to any type of garage at all was from receipts in his car and they were apparently for gas and oil and such things as that--no mechanical work whatsoever, so we didn't put much stock in the report, since it was third hand to start off with.
Also, we made an error ourselves--Hellinghousen thought when we brought that information back about Chesher that I would write up the report and I thought he was preparing the report, since he was the one who actually contacted the man and no report was made, but I'm sure the report went to the FBI, but there is no name in the original report connecting anybody with it and there was nothing in that that we could check on except the way we thought was through the mechanical repair bills and they would possibly be in the car.
Sure, and the report just did not get done as Biggio thought Hellinghousen did the report so why bother, right? He is sure the report went to the FBI, but why NOT find out for sure? Biggio called the woman who gave him the information “reliable” however and this should have been nailed down one way or the other, but once again it was left to stay inconclusive by the WC.
Researcher John Armstrong has written that the FBI came and took the book from Gibbs Auto Services on Field Street since Ruby parked his car there quite often. This book would show who borrowed this car. Here is what Armstrong has written about this.
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Ruby used to park his car at Gibbs Auto Service on Field Street. Leon Woods, the manager, kept a record of who borrowed Jack Ruby's car from the garage after receiving permission from Ruby. The FBI took the "check-out and check-in" book that reflected the use of Ruby's car and never returned it. When Dallas reporter Earl Golz asked the FBI about Gibbs Auto Service and the check-in/check-out book, they said they knew nothing about it. (John Armstrong, Harvey and Lee: The Case for Two Oswalds, Part 8, *PROBE,* Vol. 5, No. 1, November-December 1997)
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Why would the FBI confiscate evidence like this UNLESS it showed something they did NOT want others to see? Walker would be pressed for the name, but he kept saying he did not know the name and then he would say he would not tell.
Mr. LIEBELER. Could you give us the name of the person?
General WALKER. I don't think it is necessary. I think you have all the information, because the information also includes the fact that the records were picked up in the repair shop.
Mr. LIEBELER. Whether we have the information or not, I am asking you if you know the name of that repairman who said that Oswald said he picked up his car?
General WALKER. No; I don't.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do. you know the name of the garage?
General WALKER. No; I don't. As I remember, it was a hotel garage.
Mr. LIEBELER. Can you give us the name of the people that brought the information to you, so it can be traced back to this source? Who the garage-man is, apparently as you say, that it came from a garageman somewhere.
General WALKER. No; I think your sources are better than mine on this.
Mr. LIEBELER. That is not my question. My question is, do you know their names?
General WALKER. Yes; I do, but I am not telling.
We can see something Walker said is corroborated by the Biggio’s work as he said Ruby parked his car at the “old Adolphus Hotel parking garage and also mechanical work had been done at that location” so Walker is not passing out bad information here. Given the track record of health for witnesses that saw things that they shouldn’t have it is commendable that Walker is not naming names. Walker again uses logic and makes a lot of sense to me.
Mr. LIEBELER. So you are not going to tell us the names of these people?
General WALKER. We are all working in the best interests of this thing. I don't see where my sources of information have to be revealed. You know whether the information is any good or not, and I don't see any reason to get any more people involved than are already involved in it. The information is either correct or incorrect, and can be substantiated by your Commission, or it is not.
This that I am telling you is the information I have got. Now, if you all find out that it is absolutely necessary to your information, but revelation of the names of the people isn't necessary to your information with regard to the assassination. I think we have covered the assassination, and--as helpful as I can be don't think I wouldn't be delighted to see exactly all the truth that can probably come out of it, come out of it.
Basically he is saying to the WC, “You do your own work”, but the WC was NOT into investigating anything that did NOT affix guilt to LHO so they would never look into this even if he had given the names up. Liebeler kept pressing though for more information. Surely the FBI could find this stuff out if Walker did, right?
Walker will say both LHO and Ruby had ties to Billy DeMar (an entertainer at Ruby’s Carousel Club) and I have covered him before in this series.
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Probably some of the most convincing stories come from the employees of the Carousel Club. William D. Crowe, Jr. was a magician and entertainer who used the stage name of Bill DeMar. He was performing at the club at the time of the assassination. He would call a news media friend soon after LHO was arrested as he claimed that LHO had participated in his act just the previous week. On November 25 he told the Associated Press that he was “positive” that LHO had patronized Ruby’s club. He said:
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I have a memory act in which I have 20 customers call out various objects in rapid order. Then I tell them at random what they called out. I am positive Oswald was one of the men that called out an object about nine days ago.
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Crowe, a.k.a. DeMar, was known as a master hypnotist too, and of course some researchers have suggested that LHO was under some control in this area. A memo from CIA Director John McCone, dated March 3, 1964, to SS Chief James Rowley can be found in the National Archives. It states following his surgery at the Minsk hospital, Oswald might have been,
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"chemically or electronically 'controlled'... a sleeper agent. Subject spent 11 days hospitalized for a 'minor ailment' which should have required no more than three days hospitalization at best"...
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Some research that I have read says that Jack Ruby too was put under hypnosis from time to time by some “performer” who was pretending to offer a casual audition for the Carousel Club. We will never know for sure the extent of this, but we now know that mind control is very real and something the CIA worked on for many years (Operations MK-Ultra, Artichoke, etc…).
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This is tantalizing stuff as it could show William Crowe, a.k.a. Bill DeMar, was possibly controlling both LHO and Ruby through hypnosis or some other mind-controlling fashion. But I digress. Walker then said that LHO had lived in the same APARTMENT house where Ruby’s sister, Eva Grant, had lived.
Mr. LIEBELER. Aside from the fellow DeMar having made the statement, do you know of any other connection between Ruby and Oswald or any other common acquaintances that they may have?
General WALKER. I believe we verified that Oswald had been for a short period living in the same apartment house where Ruby's sister lived.
Mr. LIEBELER. What is Ruby's sister's name?
General WALKER. Eva Grant.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know what apartment house that is?
General WALKER. No; I don't recall.
Mr. LIEBELER. Who verified this?
General WALKER. I say I believe I verified it.
Mr. LIEBELER. You did yourself?
General WALKER. With assistance.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now, you are telling me that you conducted an investigation of some sort into the possibility that Ruby's sister, Eva Grant, and Oswald lived in the same apartment house? Now is that in the city of Dallas?
General WALKER. That is correct. And as I recall the address, I never did pinpoint it, but as I recall, it wouldn't be too far from where I live. And of course, I am still interested in my case with respect to Oswald, if there is any significance.
The reason I capitalized the word apartment is the LHO we know NEVER stayed at an apartment house (at least from what the WC told us) near where General Walker lived so who could this have been? Again, we turn to John Armstrong for more information on this topic.
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At 9:00 pm on November 21, 1963, while Lee Harvey Oswald was in Irving, Texas, at the Paine house with his wife and daughters, there was a knock on an apartment door in Oak Cliff. Helen McIntosh, a guest in the apartment, answered the door. A man she would later identify as Lee Harvey Oswald asked her if a man named Jack Ruby was in. McIntosh asked her friend if she knew a Jack Ruby; her friend said that Jack Ruby lived in the apartment next door, and McIntosh relayed this information to the young man, Lee Oswald. She forgot the incident until she saw Oswald on the television the following evening. (John Armstrong, "Harvey & Lee", p.789)
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Armstrong would write this on his “Harvey and Lee” website regarding FBI Agent James Hosty.
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FBI agent James Hosty, who never met Oswald face-to-face prior to November 22, 1963, told fellow FBI agent Carver Gayton that he left notes under Oswald's apartment door. But the Warren Commission reported that Oswald lived either at his rooming house (1026 N. Beckley) or at Ruth Paine's house in Irving, TX, neither of which was an apartment. Hosty could have left notes under the door at several of LEE Oswald's previous apartments including 507 E. 10th, 1106 Diceman Avenue, or an apartment in Oak Lawn that Ruby rented for Oswald (according to DPD informant T-1).
harveyandlee.net/November/November_22.htm
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So who was this person living in an APARTMENT then? It was NOT the man gunned down in the DPD basement on November 24, 1963, per the WC and Walker as he said the Neely Street apartment was not the one he was thinking of.
Mr. LIEBELER. Was the apartment on Neely Street, if you remember?
General WALKER. As I recall---is Neely over in Oak Cliff or on this side?
Mr. LIEBELER. It is in Oak Cliff.
General WALKER. No; it wasn't that far away.
Mr. LIEBELER. It wasn't in Oak Cliff at all?
General WALKER. Well, I had the idea at the time that it was on this side of town, out the side I am on.
So he felt the apartment house was near his home and NOT in Oak Cliff, thus, this again eliminates the LHO we all know. He would also say he found the fact that Ruby and LHO rented Postal Boxes in the same week suspicious and may show another piece of evidence for a connection between the two men.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any other information that would suggest a connection between these two men?
General WALKER. I think the two boxes in the post office are very interesting.
Mr. LIEBELER. Well, are you suggesting that because two men both happened to have post office boxes in the same post office, that that suggests there is some connection between them and indicates conspiracy to assassinate the President?
General WALKER. The boxes were rented the same week.
Mr. LIEBELER. Were what?
General WALKER. I believe the boxes were arranged the same week in the post office.
Mr. LIEBELER. Rented?
General WALKER. Rented.
Mr. LIEBELER. You think that suggests a conspiracy between Oswald and Ruby to assassinate the President?
General WALKER. I think that is more information.
Mr. LIEBELER. But I want to know.
General WALKER. That suggests a possible relationship. I think the fact that Rubenstein shot Oswald suggests plenty. I am convinced he couldn't have shot him except for one basic reason, and maybe many others, but to keep him quiet. That is what shooting people does. I think the whole city of Dallas is very interested.
This should have been investigated too, but once again the WC was not interested. The real question is why did this kind of stuff NOT interest the WC at all? Walker then goes into the death of Professor William Wolf shortly after the shot had been fired at him in April 1963. He said he found it odd that grown man could burn alive in a fire when his apartment was on the FIRST FLOOR. This happened just eight days after the shot was fired at him allegedly by LHO.
He then also mentions another professor named George Deen who died of natural causes when Walker said he was a “YOUNG doctor of psychiatry”. He was giving examples of some strange things going in Dallas prior to JFK’s murder and the WC lawyers has the gall to ask him this.
Mr. LIEBELER. What has that got to do with the assassination of President Kennedy? What are the facts about it?
Is he for real? What does LHO’s pubic hair have to do with the assassinaton of JFK? Or the thousands of other useless things the WC did in the course of their “investigation?” They interviewed more people who would have had NO knowledge of the murder than did and he asks this question? Priceless.
This statement shows LHO did NOT shoot at Walker on April 10, 1963, as Walker had a full-blown investigation going on in regards to this matter.
Mr. LIEBELER. In point of fact, it would be correct to state that, to your knowledge, you never saw or heard of Lee Harvey Oswald at any time prior to the time that his name was announced after the assassination on November 22, 1963?
General WALKER. That is correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. You had no connection of any sort whatsoever with him prior to that time?
General WALKER. None at all.
How could LHO have been the shooter, but totally fail to show up in Walker’s thorough investigation of the matter? Also, the man he would claim really shot at him, William Duff, had advised the Secret Service (SS) that Ruby had visited Walker on a “monthly basis.”
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The President’s Commission received a report from the United States Secret Service dated May 25 and 26, 1964, at Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, in which it is indicated that William M. Duff had advised that Jack Ruby had called at the residence of General Edwin Walker on a MONTHLY BASIS from December 1962, through March 1963. (Commission Document (CD) 1316-B, p. 16) (Emphasis mine)
www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11711&relPageId=17
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What purpose would Ruby have to visit Walker this often? And strangely enough, the visits stopped the month Walker would be shot at. Doesn’t this seem odd to you?