Post by Rob Caprio on Oct 31, 2018 22:27:36 GMT -5
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A main witness to the murder of our 35th president was Secret Service (SS) Agent Roy Kellerman. He sat in the front passenger seat of the Presidential limousine and would be in a perfect position to see and hear what was going on.
Let’s look at his testimony now.
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Kellerman was called to testify before the Warren Commission (WC) to give his details since he was assigned to protect President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on 11/22/63 in Dallas, Texas. We will begin with the basics.
Mr. SPECTER. By whom are you employed, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am employed as a special agent for the Secret Service.
Mr. SPECTER. How old are you?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am 48 years old.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your current duty station with the Secret Service?
Mr. KELLERMAN. My current duty station is assistant special agent in charge of the White House detail.
Mr. SPECTER. How long have you been with the Secret Service?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This is my 23d year.
We see he is 48 years-old, has been with the SS for at least 22 years at the time of the assassination and is assigned to the White House detail in his protection duties of the president.
He is NOT just any old SS agent for this detail either.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, since you brought us up to 1955, have your duties remained the same since that time?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I should bring you up to 1964. In 1955, I was transferred back to the White House detail, remained on that status on shift work until 1962, whereas I am now an assistant special agent in charge, which duties are the overseeing and the complete responsibility of the entire White House detail.
He is in charge of overseeing the ENTIRE White House detail and he also has COMPLETE responsibility for this group’s actions (or non-actions as the case may be). Remember that.
Here is his duty on 11/22/63.
Mr. SPECTER. What were your specific duties back on November 22 of 1963?
Mr. KELLERMAN. My specific duty, gentlemen, on the 22d of November of 1963, I was in charge of the detail for this trip of President Kennedy, for the trip to Texas in these 2 days.
Mr. SPECTER. How did you personally make the trip to Texas?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I rode on the President's plane on the entire tour.
So he was IN CHARGE of the detail for the entire two-day trip to Texas. Gerald Behn was in overall charge of everything, but Kellerman was in charge of the detail.
Kellerman then comes to a key point about the top, and the WC sidetracks this a bit.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Lawson was with the Secret Service, was he?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; he is. He asked me to determine whether the bubbletop car that the President would ride in in Dallas that day should have the top down or remain up.
Mr. SPECTER. Let me interrupt you there for just a minute, Mr. Kellerman. I show you a photograph which has been marked as Commission Exhibit No. 344. Are you able to identify that picture and the automobile in that picture?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; this is the 1961 Lincoln Continental four-door convertible bubbletop. It is a special car.
Here are the pictures they are talking about.
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We finally get back on track about the top.
Mr. SPECTER. And what top does that automobile have?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This top is a plastic top. From the rear of the passenger all the way to the windshield there are four sections of plastic glass. The one that comes over the top of the passengers in the back seat, two little sections that come over the two doors, and one over the driver and passenger in the front seat.
Mr. SPECTER. In what way is that attached, if any, to the car?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Securely bolted, screwed.
Mr. SPECTER. I now hand you a photograph marked Commission Exhibit 345. Are you able to tell us what that depicts?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; this is the same vehicle as mentioned in 344. The difference being the top is up and there is a covering, a cloth covering that also fits over this plastic top.
If you look at CE-345 you will see why the TOP HAD TO BE LEFT OFF! While it was NOT bulletproof it would surely HIDE JFK from the sight of the would be assassin or assassins. It simply could NOT be allowed to be put on.
More discussion on the limousine is followed by more discussion on the bubble top.
Mr. SPECTER. With reference to the bubble top which you have heretofore described, of what is that composed?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It is composed of plastic, clear plastic substance. Its use would be for a weather matter whereby the President or his occupants can see out. It is not an enclosed car.
Mr. SPECTER. Is it bulletproof?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It is not bulletproof.
Mr. SPECTER. Is it bullet resistant in any way?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It's not bullet resistant.
What is NOT being discussed here is the CLOTH COVERING they just mentioned. That makes it very hard to see the position of JFK. Again, look at CE-345 to see this. It is a REAR VIEW too and the WC claimed JFK was shot from behind.
How would Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) as a LONE assassin affect this decision regarding the top? He wouldn’t of course.
After wasting time on a bulletproof clear top NOW in production (as if that has anything to do with 11/22/63) they move on to a more pertinent question by Rep. Gerald Ford.
Representative FORD. Could the present top deflect in any way, destroy the accuracy of a shot?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This would be a guess, Mr. Congressman. I would think that it would be deterred for, let's say, the velocity of a missile coming in at great speed, I think it would deter it; I don't think it would eliminate--it still would enter the top.
Representative FORD. The vehicle.
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am sure; yes, sir.
Representative FORD. But as far as you know the top that was available would not impede the projectile? Do you know whether or not it would deflect its accuracy?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Well, I have tried to study that, sir. The angle of the back as an example which is, what degree I don't recall, hoping that--of course, it was now known to be an upshot into the vehicle hoping that it would deter its force and so forth, but I really don't know. I kind of doubt it.
Of course in usual WC fashion they keep IGNORING their OWN evidence as the CLOTH COVERING would make it hard to FIND where JFK was for the assassin(s) and that is the MAIN POINT. One would assume, wrongly probably based on Greer’s (the driver’s) performance on 11/22/63 that after the FIRST SHOT he would speed up and drive off. So how can an assassin or assassins be confident shooting at a target they either CAN’T see or can’t see well? They can’t, thus, the fact the top was left off says a lot when taken into consideration with the lack of agents on the rear of the car, the lack of motorcycle cops next to the limousine, etc…
The reason it was left off would be blamed on a JFK close confidant too.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, what were the President's activities immediately before departing from Fort Worth on the morning of November 22?
Mr. KELLERMAN. First he walked from the hotel across the street, spoke to a group that were in a parking lot, with other congressional people there in Texas. From there he walked right into the hotel and entered the ballroom where a breakfast was held, given to him by the chamber of commerce and, I believe, the citizens group in Fort Worth.
From there he returned to his suite because there was time left before his departure for Dallas. It was up there in the neighborhood of 10 o'clock in the morning that Special Agent Lawson called me from Dallas asking me to verify whether the top should be put on--should remain on the President's car or should be taken off due to the change of weather. It had been raining slightly in Dallas at that time. I said, "One moment and I will check with you one way or the other."
As I said earlier, the weather was clearing in Fort Worth; it was going to be a nice day. I asked Mr. Kenneth O'Donnell, who is President Kennedy's appointment secretary: "Mr. O'Donnell," I said, "the weather; it is slightly raining in Dallas, predictions of clearing up. Do you desire to have the bubbletop on the President's car or do you, or would you desire to have it removed for this parade over to the Trade Mart?"
His instructions to me were, "If the weather is clear and it is not raining, have that bubbletop off," and that is exactly what I relayed to Mr. Lawson.
This seems ludicrous to me as Kellerman was IN CHARGE OF THE PROTECTION DETAIL, NOT Kenneth O’Donnell. So why is he making the decision for the President in this regard? We see a pattern of the close confidants being blamed as well as the family itself (i.e. autopsy stuff) to cast the blame away from the real conspirators IMO. (Note: I originally wrote this years ago and have come to view Kenneth O'Donnell in a very different light since then. He was directly involved in quite a few things that ensured the assassination of JFK was possible.)
Also, “predictions of clearing up” do NOT mean it would clear up. How many times has your local weather person said it would clear up and it did NOT? What if it had kept raining? Again, the top was NOT bulletproof, I know that, but the cloth covering would have made it much harder to see JFK and the material could have deflected the bullet enough to save his life. The decision to leave it off had to come from a source other than Kenneth O’Donnell.
This part seems much more logical for a LONE gunman to act upon.
Mr. SPECTER. Describe in a general way what President Kennedy's activities were at Love Field, please.
Mr. KELLERMAN. …At 11:40, as I said, the President and Mrs. Kennedy left that plane, met these people. As we finished greeting these folks here, there was an elderly lady wheeled up in a wheelchair; her name I i do not know; the both of them met her. By this time the people are starting to get in their automobiles for this trip into town. The President then noticed that there was quite a gathering of people at this airport in back of a fenced area, and, with her, they both walked over to this crowded area and started shaking hands and greeting these people who had been there perhaps some time before we got in.
Mr. SPECTER. What would you estimate the crowd to be?
Mr. KELLERMAN. In the thousands; I would say there were two, three, four thousand people there.
Mr. SPECTER. Approximately how long did the greeting of the crowd at Love Field last, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Fifteen minutes. The motorcade left Love Field at 11:55.
So we see the President greeted thousands of people for fifteen minutes at the fence. Why would LHO not plan on shooting him here with his .38 revolver? Remember, prior to 11/22/63 NO U.S. president had ever been shot at with a RIFLE, so why would LHO chose the HARDEST possible way to accomplish his mission (if you believe the WC’s version of events)?
After describing the police pilot car and the lead car they got into the Presidential limousine.
Mr. SPECTER. Describe the occupants of that car, indicating their positions, if you can, please.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. The President--President Kennedy sat on the right rear seat. Next to him on the left seat was Mrs. Kennedy. On the right jump seat in front of President Kennedy was Governor Connally. On the left jump seat in front of Mrs. Kennedy was Mrs. Connally. I sat on the right passenger seat of the driver's seat, and Special Agent William Greer drove the vehicle.
Mr. SPECTER. How were the special agents in the followup car armed, if at all?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Each agent carries his own gun. This is a 4-inch revolver on their person.
Mr. SPECTER. Would that apply to you and Mr. Greer as well?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Absolutely.
So we see Greer and Kellerman were armed as would be expected. Now onto the motorcycles provided for security.
Mr. SPECTER. You described the motorcycles which followed the pilot car. Were there any other motorcycles in the motorcade?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; we had four other motorcycles opposite the back wheel of the President's vehicle, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Were those on both sides or on each side?
Mr. KELLERMAN. On each side; two on each side.
Mr. SPECTER. Were there any other motorcycles in the balance of the motorcade?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Not that I recall.
These motorcycles were actually BEHIND the limousine, and thus, offered NO FLANK protection at all. This is confusing when read.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now, as you turned left off Houston onto Elm, what is your best estimate of the speed of the President's automobile at that time?
Mr. KELLERMAN. As we turned onto Elm Street and the crowd, we were through the section of Dallas; we might have had--the driver picked it up because we were all through. Purely a guess, we could have been going at the most 25.
Mr. SPECTER. What would your estimate, your minimum estimate, of the speed be?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Fifteen.
How did we go from an estimate of “25” to fifteen so fast? This following comment would be UNCORROBORATED by anyone else.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now, describe what occurred as you proceeded down Elm Street after turning off of Houston.
Mr. KELLERMAN. As we turned off Houston onto Elm and made the short little dip to the left going down grade, as I said, we were away from buildings, and were there was a sign on the side of the road which I don't recall what it was or what it said, but we no more than passed that and you are out in the open, and there is a report like a firecracker, pop. And I turned my head to the right because whatever this noise was I was sure that it came from the right and perhaps into the rear, and as I turned my head to the right to view whatever it was or see whatever it was, I heard a voice from the back seat and I firmly believe it was the President's, "My God, I am hit," and I turned around and he has got his hands up here like this.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating right hand up toward his neck?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir. In fact, both hands were up in that direction.
No one else was found to say they heard JFK say anything, let alone “My God, I am hit” so why did Kellerman hear this? He will base this as the REASON he told Greer to get out of there too.
Mr. SPECTER. As you are positioning yourself in the witness chair, your right hand is up with the finger at the ear level as if clutching from the right of the head; would that be an accurate description of the position you pictured there?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. Good. There was enough for me to verify that the man was hit. So, in the same motion I come right back and grabbed the speaker and said to the driver, "Let's get out of here; we are hit," and grabbed the mike and I said, "Lawson, this is Kellerman,"--this is Lawson, who is in the front car. "We are hit; get us to the hospital immediately." Now, in the seconds that I talked just now, a flurry of shells come into the car. I then looked back and this time Mr. Hill, who was riding on the left front bumper of our followup car, was on the back trunk of that car; the President was sideways down into. the back seat.
So we see he said into the radio that “We are hit” and to get out of there and go to a hospital. Why didn’t Greer do this? Also, notice where he says a “flurry of shells” came into the car. Again, the WC said LHO used an old bolt-action rifle that took at least 2.3 seconds to recycle so how could he cause a “flurry of shells” to come into the car?
Kellerman than tells a story that is NOT consistent with the pictures and films we have IF you believe the official theory.
Representative FORD. Was there any reaction that you noticed on the part of Greer when the noise was noticed by you?
Mr. KELLERMAN. You are referring, Mr. Congressman, to the reaction to get this car out of there?
Representative FORD. Yes.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Congressman, I have driven that car many times, and I never cease to be amazed even to this day with the weight of the automobile plus the power that is under the hood; we just literally jumped out of the God-damn road.
Representative FORD. As soon as this noise was heard, or as soon as you transmitted this message to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. As soon as I transmitted to the driver first as I went to Lawson. I just leaned sideways to, him and said, "Let's get out of here. We are hit."
Representative FORD. That comment was made to Greer; not to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; that is right.
Representative FORD. And the subsequent message was to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Correct. That is right.
The ONLY way this could be true is if a scenario existed that involved more than ONE gunman in it. Otherwise, there should have been plenty of time to leave with NO further damage. Also, the photos and films do NOT show Greer accelerating after the first shot either. He did NOT do this UNTIL the president was shot in the head (frame 313 of the extant Z-film). His reaction and Kellerman’s testimony do NOT match up.
He will insist he heard JFK say the comment above because of his accent!
Mr. SPECTER. With relationship to that first noise that you have described, when did you hear the voice?
Mr. KELLERMAN. His voice?
Mr. SPECTER. We will start with his voice.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Ok. From the noise of which I was in the process of turning to determine where it was or what it was, it carried on right then. Why I am so positive, gentlemen, that it was his voice there is only one man in that back seat that was from Boston, and the accents carried very clearly.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, had you become familiar with the President's voice prior to that day?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; very much so.
Mr. SPECTER. And what was the basis for your becoming familiar with his voice prior to that day?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I had been with him for 3 years.
Mr. SPECTER. And had you talked with him on a very frequent basis during the course of that association?
Mr. KELLERMAN. He was a very free man to talk to; yes. He knew most all the men, most everybody who worked in the White House as well as everywhere, and he would call you.
Mr. SPECTER. And from your experience would you say that you could recognize the voice?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Very much, sir; I would.
I don’t want to say he is wrong, but NO one else said they heard this comment by JFK. IF he is right, why would they NOT mention it? I don’t know so I will leave it alone.
This next comment is very interesting.
Mr. SPECTER. Did Mrs. Kennedy say anything at that specific time?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, there was an awful lot of confusion in that back seat. She did a lot of talking which I can't recall all the phrases.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, pinpoint—
Mr. KELLERMAN. But after the flurry of shots, I recall her saying, "What are they doing to you?" Now again, of course, my comparison of the voice of her speech--certainly, I have heard it many times, and in the car there was conversation she was carrying on through shock, I am sure.
Notice again he says a FLURRY OF SHOTS and then he says Jackie Kennedy said, “What are they doing to you?” This comment would cause many to think she is speaking in a PLURAL sense. She was a very smart woman so the fact she used “they” would mean there was a reason for this and a FLURRY OF SHOTS would be a good reason.
His comment about how long it took to tell Greer to move after he heard the firecracker sound (and said what he alone heard) is very telling too.
Mr. SPECTER. Will you give us the best estimate of the lapse of time from the instant you heard the sound which appeared to you to be a firecracker until you instructed Mr. Greer in the way you have described?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Seconds.
Mr. SPECTER. How many seconds?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Three or four.
So IF JFK sustained two hits and John Connally (JBC) sustained at least one hit after hearing the firecracker sound in three to four SECONDS obviously someone other than LHO was firing too. There is simply NO way LHO could shoot that fast with the alleged rifle he allegedly had. It gets worse for the WC too.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.
Mr. SPECTER. You mean now two shots in addition to the first noise?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; yes, sir; at least.
He said the shells “came into together” and again this is impossible IF LHO was the only one shooting. This proves it.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate of the time, in seconds, from the first noise sounding like a firecracker until the second noise which you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This was instantaneous.
Instantaneous? The WC said it took 2.3 seconds to recycle the bolt (and of course time was needed to re-sight the target) so how could they be instantaneous if LHO was the ONLY one shooting as they claimed?
They came rapidly too.
Mr. SPECTER. How soon thereafter did the flurry of shots come?
Mr. KELLERMAN. They came in, Mr. Specter, while I am delivering that radio message.
Mr. SPECTER. On your 5-second estimate, was that in reference, Mr. Kellerman, to the total timespan from the first noise until the flurry ended?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right; that is right.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now, when the flurry occurred then, were you still facing forward talking into the microphone to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right.
We know this included all the shots because he said he saw Agent Hill on the back of the car and that ONLY occurred after JFK was mortally wounded in the head.
Mr. SPECTER. To your right this time--to your left; pardon me.
Mr. KELLERMAN. To my left; that is right. This is when I first viewed Mr. Hill, who was on the back of the—
Mr. SPECTER. Precisely where was he in that instant?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Lying right across the trunk of the car with Mrs. Kennedy on the left rear, Mr. Hill's head was right up in back of her.
He then relates when the car finally accelerated.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, to the best of your ability to recollect, exactly when did your automobile first accelerate?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Our car accelerated immediately on the time-at the time--this flurry of shots came into it.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you say the acceleration—
Mr. KELLERMAN. Between the second and third shot.
This is false as again the photos and films show the car did NOT accelerate until AFTER the head shot. There is no way the limousine accelerated before the final head shot took place based on these images. He tries to explain this in disturbing detail.
Senator COOPER. One other question: You said the flurry of shots came in the car. You were leaning forward talking to the driver after the first shot. What made you aware of a flurry of shots?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Senator, between all the matter that was--between all the matter that was blown off from an injured person, this stuff all came over.
Senator COOPER. What was that?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Body matter; flesh.
Senator COOPER. When you were speaking of a flurry of shots, was there a longer interval between the first shot and the second shot as compared to the interval between the second shot and the third shot?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
We know the motorcycle cops BEHIND JFK on the left side were also covered with this debris too, so does this substantiate the claim made by many over the years of JFK being hit from the back and front simultaneously? He would later on make this startling (to the WC of course) comment.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, you said earlier that there were at least two additional shots. Is there any area in your mind or possibility, as you recollect that situation, that there could have been more than two shots, or are you able to say with any certainty?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report and the two other shots that I know, those were three shots. But, Mr. Specter, if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally three, there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.
Senator COOPER. What is that answer? What did he say?
Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.
Representative FORD. Is that why you have described—
Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.
Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir.
He would say it was his opinion no more than three shots were fired, but again, if they were fired in VOLLEYS you wouldn’t hear more than three reports. A flurry constitutes more than a couple of shots to me.
He then describes the wounds he saw on JFK.
Mr. SPECTER. I would like to develop your understanding and your observations of the four wounds on President Kennedy.
Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed.
Representative FORD. Above the ear and back?
Mr. KELLERMAN. To the left of the ear, sir, and a little high; yes. About right in here.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say "removed," by that do you mean that it was absent when you saw him, or taken off by the doctor?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It was absent when I saw him.
Mr. SPECTER. Fine. Proceed.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Entry into this man's head was right below that wound, right here.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the bottom of the hairline immediately to the right of the ear about the lower third of the ear?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. But it was in the hairline, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. In his hairline?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. What was the size of that aperture?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The little finger.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. What other wounds, if any, did you notice on the President?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The other wound that I noticed was on his shoulder.
Mr. SPECTER. Which shoulder.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right shoulder.
Mr. SPECTER. No. Upper shoulder, lower shoulder; how far below the lower neckline would you say?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The upper neckline, sir, in that large muscle between the shoulder and the neck, just below it.
Mr. SPECTER. What was the size of that opening?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Again about the size of a little finger.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, have you described three wounds which you have observed?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is three. The fourth one I will have to collaborate with--the medical people in Dallas said that he had entry in the throat or an exit.
So according to Kellerman he saw FOUR wounds on JFK. A small entry wound in the head the size of a little finger at the hairline, a larger hole the in the right-rear side of the head, a wound in the upper right shoulder and one in the throat.
This is a key observation too and again destroys the WC’s claim.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any hole in the clothing of the President on the front part, in the shirt or tie area?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. From your observation of the wound which you observed in the morgue which you have described as a tracheotomy, would that have been above or below the shirtline when the President was clothed?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It would have been below the shirt line, sir.
IF the wound was BELOW the shirt line how could a shot moving downwards (from the alleged sixth floor window) move UPWARDS to nick the top of the tie as it left the body of JFK to head on to JBC as the WC claimed?
They then enter into evidence a photo (CE 349) of the frame around the windshield on the limousine.
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Kellerman says he first noticed this indentation on November 27, 1963. After establishing he could NOT say if it was there before the shooting for sure they mention he did NOT see it before the shooting. We then learn he was the FIRST one to see this indentation!
Representative FORD. Had anybody told you of this indentation prior to your own personal investigation?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Not of the windshield; no, sir.
Representative FORD. You were the first one to find this indentation?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I believe I am the first one who noticed this thing up on the bar.
Representative FORD. That is what I meant.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
Representative FORD. You are the first one to notice this particular indentation?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; I believe I am, sir.
This makes you really comfortable with the work of the FBI and SS, huh? NO one noticed this indentation until November 27, 1963? Weren’t they going over the murder vehicle with a fine-tooth comb? I guess not.
One wonders where the crack seen in CE 350 came from too based on Kellerman’s observations.
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Mr. SPECTER. The photograph, Exhibit 350, is from the outside of the car front looking toward the car; correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. What mark, if any, appears in the photograph on the windshield itself?
Mr. KELLERMAN. There is the cracked windshield located to the right of the mirror as you look into the automobile.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, is this picture an accurate representation of the appearance of the windshield at some time when you observed the windshield?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This windshield I observed on this same day.
Mr. SPECTER. On or about November 27, 1963?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is correct.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any crack in the windshield as the President's automobile was being driven from the point of assassination to the hospital?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I did not.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe it at any time prior to the time you saw the automobile in the White House garage on or before November 27?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I did not, sir.
So where did it COME FROM then? They asked him if he had had the time to observe the limousine closely and he said no, but let’s face it, he was sitting in the front of the limousine on the way to the hospital so how could he NOT see it IF it was there after the shooting?
Mr. SPECTER. Did you have any occasion to examine closely the windshield after the time of the shooting up until the time you saw it in the White House garage?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.
Please, he was driving in the car for goodness sakes. They would go on and on about the windshield, but his comment above makes it all moot. Kellerman said he saw NO crack after the shooting up to the time he saw it on November 27, 1963, so the rest is really a waste of time to read.
He again confirms the windshield looked different on 11/27/63 than it did on 11/22/63.
Mr. SPECTER. With respect to the shattering which existed on or about November 27, which is within the red circle, could that condition have existed on November 22 after the assassination?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Absolutely not. I don't think so.
So why was the evidence once again CHANGING while in SS and FBI custody? He then tells an obvious fib to cover the tracks of this fact.
Mr. SPECTER. If the crack in the windshield had been as prominent as it was on or about November 27, 1963, would you have observed it after the shooting on November 22?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir; I don't think I would have.
Senator COOPER. Is it correct then to say that you didn't find any occasion to examine the windshield after you heard the shots?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, I did not have the opportunity.
Examine, who would need to examine it? All you had to do is look at it! This is ridiculous and shows the limousine was tampered with while in SS and FBI custody.
This is an interesting comment too. Did he view an ORIGINAL form of the Z-film?
Mr. SPECTER. Do you have anything to add, Mr. Kellerman, by way of explanation or elaboration, to tell us which might be helpful with respect to your conclusion based on all of these items which you have described to us that there were more than three shots?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Gentlemen, I think if you would view the films yourself you may come up with a little different answer.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, have you viewed the films, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I have; yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there something special in your viewing of the films which led you to believe that there were more than three shots?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No: it doesn't point out more than three shots, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Which films are you referring to?
Mr. KELLERMAN. These are the colored ones that were taken on the right side.
Mr. SPECTER. Taken by Mr. Abraham Zapruder?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I don't know.
Mr. SPECTER. You are not familiar with the photographer?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No; I am not.
It was commented on by the folks at NPIC that he was hit between 6-8 times from the viewing of the Zapruder film.
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This is what one of the two men who worked on the film on either 11/23/63 or 11/24/63 at NPIC said was his impression. His name is Homer McMahon and he was the supervisor of the color lab at NPIC (the sad irony here is RFK had them move into a new state of the art facility in 1/63, and this allowed them to handle color), and he said in interviews with the ARRB that he viewed the film about "10 times" while making 8x10 still color pictures (he of course was told which frames to make pictures of). As reported by Dr. Mantik he said his impression was "JFK was hit 6-8 times from three directions" (he could tell by the body movement and reactions of JFK), but the suspicious SS agent, Mr. "Smith", said NO, he was hit just THREE times from behind. This is telling because they had NOT worked out the SBT yet as we all know the WC claimed he was hit just twice. (Emphasis mine)
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Again, did Kellerman view the ORIGINAL version of the Z-film to see this? Kellerman would go to the autopsy to view that and he would say this several times.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, did you observe, during the course of the autopsy, bullet fragments which you might describe as little stars?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, of the numerous X-rays that were taken mainly of the skull, the head. The reason for it was that through all the probing which these gentlemen were trying to pick up little pieces of evidence in the form of shell fragments, they were unable to locate any. From the X-rays, when you placed the X-ray up against the light the whole head looked like a little mass of stars, there must have been 30, 40 lights where these pieces were so minute that they couldn't be reached. However, all through this series of X-rays this was the one that they found, through X-ray that was above the right eye, and they removed that.
Mr. SPECTER. How big a piece was that above the right eye, would you say?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The tip of a matchhead, a little larger.
How could there be NO fragments found in the wounds, but the head have so many particles from a bullet of the same kind? It doesn’t seem possible to me.
Specter would try to see if Kellerman could support his crazy SBT story.
Senator COOPER. Let me ask a few questions. Mr. Kellerman, from what you have just said, I think it would be correct that from the time you began to assist in removing President Kennedy from his car to the time you left him in the emergency room that you never saw any bullet on a stretcher, either his stretcher or Governor Connally's stretcher?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I never saw any bullet, sir.
Ah, struck out again. Remember that the FBI would claim they fond two bullet fragments in the area where Kellerman was sitting in the limousine and he would be asked about it.
Mr. SPECTER. And did you ever observe any bullet fragments in the car at rest after the shooting?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.
How could they find fragments where he was sitting while he NEVER SAW THEM? Just wondering.
This testimony is rich in valuable stuff, but in order to keep it from being too long I will end with this comment by him.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, Mr. Kellerman, with respect to the immediate reaction by you to the emergency situation, did you consider at any time leaving your seat, on the right front of the President's automobile, to go into the rear portion, where the President sat?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And what is the basis for--or what was the basis for your conclusion on that?
Mr. KELLERMAN. After I had heard President Kennedy's voice say, "My God, I am hit," I viewed him, which was enough for me that he was. My decision was to get this man to a hospital, because he needed medical treatment. And during the few seconds that I instructed the driver to get out of here, we are hit, my second instruction was to the man in the lead car ahead of us for the same, to lead us to a hospital, that we are hit. I then turn around, and I had two people injured. Not only was the President down in his seat; the Governor was down in his seat. My presence back there was gone. On top of that, I had Mr. Hill lying across that trunk.
Mr. SPECTER. What do you mean when you say, sir, that your presence back there was gone?
Mr. KELLERMAN. They were comfortable, if there is a comfort in this. Mr. Hill was taking care of Mrs. Kennedy. Mrs. Connally was over the Governor; there was no motion. The next thing was a doctor, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you consider presenting a further shield for the President at that time?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did the metallic handhold which you described early in your testimony as being about 15 inches off the top of the seat and going all the way across the width of the car, did that metal structure present any substantial impediment to your moving from the front seat to the rear seat of the automobile?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, I think it would have been a small obstacle. However, let me say this: If I thought in my own mind that I was needed back there, there wouldn't have been an obstacle strong enough to hold me.
Mr. SPECTER. How about the presence of Governor Connally in the jump seat? Would the presence of Governor Connally or any passenger in the jump seat provide a substantial obstacle to your moving from your seat to shield the President's body?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Not at all. It wouldn't have made any difference, sir. Why? Because my job is to protect the President, sir, regardless of the obstacles.
It is clear NO obstacle could stop him, but for some reason he found NO reason to get up and cover JFK after he was hit in the throat. Why? He is making it sound like JFK was killed immediately and he was not. He could have gotten up and moved and either blocked the head shot or made it much harder, but he DID NOTHING. Why? What does he mean by if “…I was needed back there…” when JFK was being shot at? Of course he was needed back there, but he did NOT move. Why?
Can anyone reconcile what we see in the photos and films with what he is claiming? I can’t. He did NOT move and he should have the moment he heard the first shot. He said there was a five second delay from the time he heard the first shot (a firecracker sound) and the flurry, and all he did in that time was get on the radio INSTEAD OF PROTECTING HIS BOSS. Why?
Why did he think when his boss was being shot at there was “no need” for him? What would constitute a need for him? What did he mean by "they were comfortable?" Is being shot akin to being comfortable for him? He said it several times--HE NEVER GAVE ANY THOUGHT TO GETTING UP AND DOING HIS JOB BY PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT. Why? Why was he NEVER in trouble or fired for this lack of action?
We can see he is an inconsistent witness which could lead one to believe he is not being honest in some areas, but he does present enough evidence to show that some of the claims of the WC are false. He helps to sink the overall conclusion the WC reached.
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A main witness to the murder of our 35th president was Secret Service (SS) Agent Roy Kellerman. He sat in the front passenger seat of the Presidential limousine and would be in a perfect position to see and hear what was going on.
Let’s look at his testimony now.
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Kellerman was called to testify before the Warren Commission (WC) to give his details since he was assigned to protect President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on 11/22/63 in Dallas, Texas. We will begin with the basics.
Mr. SPECTER. By whom are you employed, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am employed as a special agent for the Secret Service.
Mr. SPECTER. How old are you?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am 48 years old.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your current duty station with the Secret Service?
Mr. KELLERMAN. My current duty station is assistant special agent in charge of the White House detail.
Mr. SPECTER. How long have you been with the Secret Service?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This is my 23d year.
We see he is 48 years-old, has been with the SS for at least 22 years at the time of the assassination and is assigned to the White House detail in his protection duties of the president.
He is NOT just any old SS agent for this detail either.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, since you brought us up to 1955, have your duties remained the same since that time?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I should bring you up to 1964. In 1955, I was transferred back to the White House detail, remained on that status on shift work until 1962, whereas I am now an assistant special agent in charge, which duties are the overseeing and the complete responsibility of the entire White House detail.
He is in charge of overseeing the ENTIRE White House detail and he also has COMPLETE responsibility for this group’s actions (or non-actions as the case may be). Remember that.
Here is his duty on 11/22/63.
Mr. SPECTER. What were your specific duties back on November 22 of 1963?
Mr. KELLERMAN. My specific duty, gentlemen, on the 22d of November of 1963, I was in charge of the detail for this trip of President Kennedy, for the trip to Texas in these 2 days.
Mr. SPECTER. How did you personally make the trip to Texas?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I rode on the President's plane on the entire tour.
So he was IN CHARGE of the detail for the entire two-day trip to Texas. Gerald Behn was in overall charge of everything, but Kellerman was in charge of the detail.
Kellerman then comes to a key point about the top, and the WC sidetracks this a bit.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Lawson was with the Secret Service, was he?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; he is. He asked me to determine whether the bubbletop car that the President would ride in in Dallas that day should have the top down or remain up.
Mr. SPECTER. Let me interrupt you there for just a minute, Mr. Kellerman. I show you a photograph which has been marked as Commission Exhibit No. 344. Are you able to identify that picture and the automobile in that picture?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; this is the 1961 Lincoln Continental four-door convertible bubbletop. It is a special car.
Here are the pictures they are talking about.
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We finally get back on track about the top.
Mr. SPECTER. And what top does that automobile have?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This top is a plastic top. From the rear of the passenger all the way to the windshield there are four sections of plastic glass. The one that comes over the top of the passengers in the back seat, two little sections that come over the two doors, and one over the driver and passenger in the front seat.
Mr. SPECTER. In what way is that attached, if any, to the car?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Securely bolted, screwed.
Mr. SPECTER. I now hand you a photograph marked Commission Exhibit 345. Are you able to tell us what that depicts?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; this is the same vehicle as mentioned in 344. The difference being the top is up and there is a covering, a cloth covering that also fits over this plastic top.
If you look at CE-345 you will see why the TOP HAD TO BE LEFT OFF! While it was NOT bulletproof it would surely HIDE JFK from the sight of the would be assassin or assassins. It simply could NOT be allowed to be put on.
More discussion on the limousine is followed by more discussion on the bubble top.
Mr. SPECTER. With reference to the bubble top which you have heretofore described, of what is that composed?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It is composed of plastic, clear plastic substance. Its use would be for a weather matter whereby the President or his occupants can see out. It is not an enclosed car.
Mr. SPECTER. Is it bulletproof?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It is not bulletproof.
Mr. SPECTER. Is it bullet resistant in any way?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It's not bullet resistant.
What is NOT being discussed here is the CLOTH COVERING they just mentioned. That makes it very hard to see the position of JFK. Again, look at CE-345 to see this. It is a REAR VIEW too and the WC claimed JFK was shot from behind.
How would Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) as a LONE assassin affect this decision regarding the top? He wouldn’t of course.
After wasting time on a bulletproof clear top NOW in production (as if that has anything to do with 11/22/63) they move on to a more pertinent question by Rep. Gerald Ford.
Representative FORD. Could the present top deflect in any way, destroy the accuracy of a shot?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This would be a guess, Mr. Congressman. I would think that it would be deterred for, let's say, the velocity of a missile coming in at great speed, I think it would deter it; I don't think it would eliminate--it still would enter the top.
Representative FORD. The vehicle.
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am sure; yes, sir.
Representative FORD. But as far as you know the top that was available would not impede the projectile? Do you know whether or not it would deflect its accuracy?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Well, I have tried to study that, sir. The angle of the back as an example which is, what degree I don't recall, hoping that--of course, it was now known to be an upshot into the vehicle hoping that it would deter its force and so forth, but I really don't know. I kind of doubt it.
Of course in usual WC fashion they keep IGNORING their OWN evidence as the CLOTH COVERING would make it hard to FIND where JFK was for the assassin(s) and that is the MAIN POINT. One would assume, wrongly probably based on Greer’s (the driver’s) performance on 11/22/63 that after the FIRST SHOT he would speed up and drive off. So how can an assassin or assassins be confident shooting at a target they either CAN’T see or can’t see well? They can’t, thus, the fact the top was left off says a lot when taken into consideration with the lack of agents on the rear of the car, the lack of motorcycle cops next to the limousine, etc…
The reason it was left off would be blamed on a JFK close confidant too.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, what were the President's activities immediately before departing from Fort Worth on the morning of November 22?
Mr. KELLERMAN. First he walked from the hotel across the street, spoke to a group that were in a parking lot, with other congressional people there in Texas. From there he walked right into the hotel and entered the ballroom where a breakfast was held, given to him by the chamber of commerce and, I believe, the citizens group in Fort Worth.
From there he returned to his suite because there was time left before his departure for Dallas. It was up there in the neighborhood of 10 o'clock in the morning that Special Agent Lawson called me from Dallas asking me to verify whether the top should be put on--should remain on the President's car or should be taken off due to the change of weather. It had been raining slightly in Dallas at that time. I said, "One moment and I will check with you one way or the other."
As I said earlier, the weather was clearing in Fort Worth; it was going to be a nice day. I asked Mr. Kenneth O'Donnell, who is President Kennedy's appointment secretary: "Mr. O'Donnell," I said, "the weather; it is slightly raining in Dallas, predictions of clearing up. Do you desire to have the bubbletop on the President's car or do you, or would you desire to have it removed for this parade over to the Trade Mart?"
His instructions to me were, "If the weather is clear and it is not raining, have that bubbletop off," and that is exactly what I relayed to Mr. Lawson.
This seems ludicrous to me as Kellerman was IN CHARGE OF THE PROTECTION DETAIL, NOT Kenneth O’Donnell. So why is he making the decision for the President in this regard? We see a pattern of the close confidants being blamed as well as the family itself (i.e. autopsy stuff) to cast the blame away from the real conspirators IMO. (Note: I originally wrote this years ago and have come to view Kenneth O'Donnell in a very different light since then. He was directly involved in quite a few things that ensured the assassination of JFK was possible.)
Also, “predictions of clearing up” do NOT mean it would clear up. How many times has your local weather person said it would clear up and it did NOT? What if it had kept raining? Again, the top was NOT bulletproof, I know that, but the cloth covering would have made it much harder to see JFK and the material could have deflected the bullet enough to save his life. The decision to leave it off had to come from a source other than Kenneth O’Donnell.
This part seems much more logical for a LONE gunman to act upon.
Mr. SPECTER. Describe in a general way what President Kennedy's activities were at Love Field, please.
Mr. KELLERMAN. …At 11:40, as I said, the President and Mrs. Kennedy left that plane, met these people. As we finished greeting these folks here, there was an elderly lady wheeled up in a wheelchair; her name I i do not know; the both of them met her. By this time the people are starting to get in their automobiles for this trip into town. The President then noticed that there was quite a gathering of people at this airport in back of a fenced area, and, with her, they both walked over to this crowded area and started shaking hands and greeting these people who had been there perhaps some time before we got in.
Mr. SPECTER. What would you estimate the crowd to be?
Mr. KELLERMAN. In the thousands; I would say there were two, three, four thousand people there.
Mr. SPECTER. Approximately how long did the greeting of the crowd at Love Field last, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Fifteen minutes. The motorcade left Love Field at 11:55.
So we see the President greeted thousands of people for fifteen minutes at the fence. Why would LHO not plan on shooting him here with his .38 revolver? Remember, prior to 11/22/63 NO U.S. president had ever been shot at with a RIFLE, so why would LHO chose the HARDEST possible way to accomplish his mission (if you believe the WC’s version of events)?
After describing the police pilot car and the lead car they got into the Presidential limousine.
Mr. SPECTER. Describe the occupants of that car, indicating their positions, if you can, please.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. The President--President Kennedy sat on the right rear seat. Next to him on the left seat was Mrs. Kennedy. On the right jump seat in front of President Kennedy was Governor Connally. On the left jump seat in front of Mrs. Kennedy was Mrs. Connally. I sat on the right passenger seat of the driver's seat, and Special Agent William Greer drove the vehicle.
Mr. SPECTER. How were the special agents in the followup car armed, if at all?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Each agent carries his own gun. This is a 4-inch revolver on their person.
Mr. SPECTER. Would that apply to you and Mr. Greer as well?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Absolutely.
So we see Greer and Kellerman were armed as would be expected. Now onto the motorcycles provided for security.
Mr. SPECTER. You described the motorcycles which followed the pilot car. Were there any other motorcycles in the motorcade?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; we had four other motorcycles opposite the back wheel of the President's vehicle, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Were those on both sides or on each side?
Mr. KELLERMAN. On each side; two on each side.
Mr. SPECTER. Were there any other motorcycles in the balance of the motorcade?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Not that I recall.
These motorcycles were actually BEHIND the limousine, and thus, offered NO FLANK protection at all. This is confusing when read.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now, as you turned left off Houston onto Elm, what is your best estimate of the speed of the President's automobile at that time?
Mr. KELLERMAN. As we turned onto Elm Street and the crowd, we were through the section of Dallas; we might have had--the driver picked it up because we were all through. Purely a guess, we could have been going at the most 25.
Mr. SPECTER. What would your estimate, your minimum estimate, of the speed be?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Fifteen.
How did we go from an estimate of “25” to fifteen so fast? This following comment would be UNCORROBORATED by anyone else.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now, describe what occurred as you proceeded down Elm Street after turning off of Houston.
Mr. KELLERMAN. As we turned off Houston onto Elm and made the short little dip to the left going down grade, as I said, we were away from buildings, and were there was a sign on the side of the road which I don't recall what it was or what it said, but we no more than passed that and you are out in the open, and there is a report like a firecracker, pop. And I turned my head to the right because whatever this noise was I was sure that it came from the right and perhaps into the rear, and as I turned my head to the right to view whatever it was or see whatever it was, I heard a voice from the back seat and I firmly believe it was the President's, "My God, I am hit," and I turned around and he has got his hands up here like this.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating right hand up toward his neck?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir. In fact, both hands were up in that direction.
No one else was found to say they heard JFK say anything, let alone “My God, I am hit” so why did Kellerman hear this? He will base this as the REASON he told Greer to get out of there too.
Mr. SPECTER. As you are positioning yourself in the witness chair, your right hand is up with the finger at the ear level as if clutching from the right of the head; would that be an accurate description of the position you pictured there?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. Good. There was enough for me to verify that the man was hit. So, in the same motion I come right back and grabbed the speaker and said to the driver, "Let's get out of here; we are hit," and grabbed the mike and I said, "Lawson, this is Kellerman,"--this is Lawson, who is in the front car. "We are hit; get us to the hospital immediately." Now, in the seconds that I talked just now, a flurry of shells come into the car. I then looked back and this time Mr. Hill, who was riding on the left front bumper of our followup car, was on the back trunk of that car; the President was sideways down into. the back seat.
So we see he said into the radio that “We are hit” and to get out of there and go to a hospital. Why didn’t Greer do this? Also, notice where he says a “flurry of shells” came into the car. Again, the WC said LHO used an old bolt-action rifle that took at least 2.3 seconds to recycle so how could he cause a “flurry of shells” to come into the car?
Kellerman than tells a story that is NOT consistent with the pictures and films we have IF you believe the official theory.
Representative FORD. Was there any reaction that you noticed on the part of Greer when the noise was noticed by you?
Mr. KELLERMAN. You are referring, Mr. Congressman, to the reaction to get this car out of there?
Representative FORD. Yes.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Congressman, I have driven that car many times, and I never cease to be amazed even to this day with the weight of the automobile plus the power that is under the hood; we just literally jumped out of the God-damn road.
Representative FORD. As soon as this noise was heard, or as soon as you transmitted this message to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. As soon as I transmitted to the driver first as I went to Lawson. I just leaned sideways to, him and said, "Let's get out of here. We are hit."
Representative FORD. That comment was made to Greer; not to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; that is right.
Representative FORD. And the subsequent message was to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Correct. That is right.
The ONLY way this could be true is if a scenario existed that involved more than ONE gunman in it. Otherwise, there should have been plenty of time to leave with NO further damage. Also, the photos and films do NOT show Greer accelerating after the first shot either. He did NOT do this UNTIL the president was shot in the head (frame 313 of the extant Z-film). His reaction and Kellerman’s testimony do NOT match up.
He will insist he heard JFK say the comment above because of his accent!
Mr. SPECTER. With relationship to that first noise that you have described, when did you hear the voice?
Mr. KELLERMAN. His voice?
Mr. SPECTER. We will start with his voice.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Ok. From the noise of which I was in the process of turning to determine where it was or what it was, it carried on right then. Why I am so positive, gentlemen, that it was his voice there is only one man in that back seat that was from Boston, and the accents carried very clearly.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, had you become familiar with the President's voice prior to that day?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; very much so.
Mr. SPECTER. And what was the basis for your becoming familiar with his voice prior to that day?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I had been with him for 3 years.
Mr. SPECTER. And had you talked with him on a very frequent basis during the course of that association?
Mr. KELLERMAN. He was a very free man to talk to; yes. He knew most all the men, most everybody who worked in the White House as well as everywhere, and he would call you.
Mr. SPECTER. And from your experience would you say that you could recognize the voice?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Very much, sir; I would.
I don’t want to say he is wrong, but NO one else said they heard this comment by JFK. IF he is right, why would they NOT mention it? I don’t know so I will leave it alone.
This next comment is very interesting.
Mr. SPECTER. Did Mrs. Kennedy say anything at that specific time?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, there was an awful lot of confusion in that back seat. She did a lot of talking which I can't recall all the phrases.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, pinpoint—
Mr. KELLERMAN. But after the flurry of shots, I recall her saying, "What are they doing to you?" Now again, of course, my comparison of the voice of her speech--certainly, I have heard it many times, and in the car there was conversation she was carrying on through shock, I am sure.
Notice again he says a FLURRY OF SHOTS and then he says Jackie Kennedy said, “What are they doing to you?” This comment would cause many to think she is speaking in a PLURAL sense. She was a very smart woman so the fact she used “they” would mean there was a reason for this and a FLURRY OF SHOTS would be a good reason.
His comment about how long it took to tell Greer to move after he heard the firecracker sound (and said what he alone heard) is very telling too.
Mr. SPECTER. Will you give us the best estimate of the lapse of time from the instant you heard the sound which appeared to you to be a firecracker until you instructed Mr. Greer in the way you have described?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Seconds.
Mr. SPECTER. How many seconds?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Three or four.
So IF JFK sustained two hits and John Connally (JBC) sustained at least one hit after hearing the firecracker sound in three to four SECONDS obviously someone other than LHO was firing too. There is simply NO way LHO could shoot that fast with the alleged rifle he allegedly had. It gets worse for the WC too.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.
Mr. SPECTER. You mean now two shots in addition to the first noise?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; yes, sir; at least.
He said the shells “came into together” and again this is impossible IF LHO was the only one shooting. This proves it.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate of the time, in seconds, from the first noise sounding like a firecracker until the second noise which you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This was instantaneous.
Instantaneous? The WC said it took 2.3 seconds to recycle the bolt (and of course time was needed to re-sight the target) so how could they be instantaneous if LHO was the ONLY one shooting as they claimed?
They came rapidly too.
Mr. SPECTER. How soon thereafter did the flurry of shots come?
Mr. KELLERMAN. They came in, Mr. Specter, while I am delivering that radio message.
Mr. SPECTER. On your 5-second estimate, was that in reference, Mr. Kellerman, to the total timespan from the first noise until the flurry ended?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right; that is right.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now, when the flurry occurred then, were you still facing forward talking into the microphone to Lawson?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right.
We know this included all the shots because he said he saw Agent Hill on the back of the car and that ONLY occurred after JFK was mortally wounded in the head.
Mr. SPECTER. To your right this time--to your left; pardon me.
Mr. KELLERMAN. To my left; that is right. This is when I first viewed Mr. Hill, who was on the back of the—
Mr. SPECTER. Precisely where was he in that instant?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Lying right across the trunk of the car with Mrs. Kennedy on the left rear, Mr. Hill's head was right up in back of her.
He then relates when the car finally accelerated.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, to the best of your ability to recollect, exactly when did your automobile first accelerate?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Our car accelerated immediately on the time-at the time--this flurry of shots came into it.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you say the acceleration—
Mr. KELLERMAN. Between the second and third shot.
This is false as again the photos and films show the car did NOT accelerate until AFTER the head shot. There is no way the limousine accelerated before the final head shot took place based on these images. He tries to explain this in disturbing detail.
Senator COOPER. One other question: You said the flurry of shots came in the car. You were leaning forward talking to the driver after the first shot. What made you aware of a flurry of shots?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Senator, between all the matter that was--between all the matter that was blown off from an injured person, this stuff all came over.
Senator COOPER. What was that?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Body matter; flesh.
Senator COOPER. When you were speaking of a flurry of shots, was there a longer interval between the first shot and the second shot as compared to the interval between the second shot and the third shot?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
We know the motorcycle cops BEHIND JFK on the left side were also covered with this debris too, so does this substantiate the claim made by many over the years of JFK being hit from the back and front simultaneously? He would later on make this startling (to the WC of course) comment.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, you said earlier that there were at least two additional shots. Is there any area in your mind or possibility, as you recollect that situation, that there could have been more than two shots, or are you able to say with any certainty?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report and the two other shots that I know, those were three shots. But, Mr. Specter, if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally three, there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.
Senator COOPER. What is that answer? What did he say?
Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.
Representative FORD. Is that why you have described—
Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.
Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir.
He would say it was his opinion no more than three shots were fired, but again, if they were fired in VOLLEYS you wouldn’t hear more than three reports. A flurry constitutes more than a couple of shots to me.
He then describes the wounds he saw on JFK.
Mr. SPECTER. I would like to develop your understanding and your observations of the four wounds on President Kennedy.
Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed.
Representative FORD. Above the ear and back?
Mr. KELLERMAN. To the left of the ear, sir, and a little high; yes. About right in here.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say "removed," by that do you mean that it was absent when you saw him, or taken off by the doctor?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It was absent when I saw him.
Mr. SPECTER. Fine. Proceed.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Entry into this man's head was right below that wound, right here.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the bottom of the hairline immediately to the right of the ear about the lower third of the ear?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. But it was in the hairline, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. In his hairline?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. What was the size of that aperture?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The little finger.
Mr. SPECTER. All right. What other wounds, if any, did you notice on the President?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The other wound that I noticed was on his shoulder.
Mr. SPECTER. Which shoulder.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right shoulder.
Mr. SPECTER. No. Upper shoulder, lower shoulder; how far below the lower neckline would you say?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The upper neckline, sir, in that large muscle between the shoulder and the neck, just below it.
Mr. SPECTER. What was the size of that opening?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Again about the size of a little finger.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, have you described three wounds which you have observed?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is three. The fourth one I will have to collaborate with--the medical people in Dallas said that he had entry in the throat or an exit.
So according to Kellerman he saw FOUR wounds on JFK. A small entry wound in the head the size of a little finger at the hairline, a larger hole the in the right-rear side of the head, a wound in the upper right shoulder and one in the throat.
This is a key observation too and again destroys the WC’s claim.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any hole in the clothing of the President on the front part, in the shirt or tie area?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. From your observation of the wound which you observed in the morgue which you have described as a tracheotomy, would that have been above or below the shirtline when the President was clothed?
Mr. KELLERMAN. It would have been below the shirt line, sir.
IF the wound was BELOW the shirt line how could a shot moving downwards (from the alleged sixth floor window) move UPWARDS to nick the top of the tie as it left the body of JFK to head on to JBC as the WC claimed?
They then enter into evidence a photo (CE 349) of the frame around the windshield on the limousine.
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Kellerman says he first noticed this indentation on November 27, 1963. After establishing he could NOT say if it was there before the shooting for sure they mention he did NOT see it before the shooting. We then learn he was the FIRST one to see this indentation!
Representative FORD. Had anybody told you of this indentation prior to your own personal investigation?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Not of the windshield; no, sir.
Representative FORD. You were the first one to find this indentation?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I believe I am the first one who noticed this thing up on the bar.
Representative FORD. That is what I meant.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
Representative FORD. You are the first one to notice this particular indentation?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; I believe I am, sir.
This makes you really comfortable with the work of the FBI and SS, huh? NO one noticed this indentation until November 27, 1963? Weren’t they going over the murder vehicle with a fine-tooth comb? I guess not.
One wonders where the crack seen in CE 350 came from too based on Kellerman’s observations.
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Mr. SPECTER. The photograph, Exhibit 350, is from the outside of the car front looking toward the car; correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. What mark, if any, appears in the photograph on the windshield itself?
Mr. KELLERMAN. There is the cracked windshield located to the right of the mirror as you look into the automobile.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, is this picture an accurate representation of the appearance of the windshield at some time when you observed the windshield?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This windshield I observed on this same day.
Mr. SPECTER. On or about November 27, 1963?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is correct.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any crack in the windshield as the President's automobile was being driven from the point of assassination to the hospital?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I did not.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe it at any time prior to the time you saw the automobile in the White House garage on or before November 27?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I did not, sir.
So where did it COME FROM then? They asked him if he had had the time to observe the limousine closely and he said no, but let’s face it, he was sitting in the front of the limousine on the way to the hospital so how could he NOT see it IF it was there after the shooting?
Mr. SPECTER. Did you have any occasion to examine closely the windshield after the time of the shooting up until the time you saw it in the White House garage?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.
Please, he was driving in the car for goodness sakes. They would go on and on about the windshield, but his comment above makes it all moot. Kellerman said he saw NO crack after the shooting up to the time he saw it on November 27, 1963, so the rest is really a waste of time to read.
He again confirms the windshield looked different on 11/27/63 than it did on 11/22/63.
Mr. SPECTER. With respect to the shattering which existed on or about November 27, which is within the red circle, could that condition have existed on November 22 after the assassination?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Absolutely not. I don't think so.
So why was the evidence once again CHANGING while in SS and FBI custody? He then tells an obvious fib to cover the tracks of this fact.
Mr. SPECTER. If the crack in the windshield had been as prominent as it was on or about November 27, 1963, would you have observed it after the shooting on November 22?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir; I don't think I would have.
Senator COOPER. Is it correct then to say that you didn't find any occasion to examine the windshield after you heard the shots?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, I did not have the opportunity.
Examine, who would need to examine it? All you had to do is look at it! This is ridiculous and shows the limousine was tampered with while in SS and FBI custody.
This is an interesting comment too. Did he view an ORIGINAL form of the Z-film?
Mr. SPECTER. Do you have anything to add, Mr. Kellerman, by way of explanation or elaboration, to tell us which might be helpful with respect to your conclusion based on all of these items which you have described to us that there were more than three shots?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Gentlemen, I think if you would view the films yourself you may come up with a little different answer.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, have you viewed the films, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I have; yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there something special in your viewing of the films which led you to believe that there were more than three shots?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No: it doesn't point out more than three shots, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Which films are you referring to?
Mr. KELLERMAN. These are the colored ones that were taken on the right side.
Mr. SPECTER. Taken by Mr. Abraham Zapruder?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I don't know.
Mr. SPECTER. You are not familiar with the photographer?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No; I am not.
It was commented on by the folks at NPIC that he was hit between 6-8 times from the viewing of the Zapruder film.
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This is what one of the two men who worked on the film on either 11/23/63 or 11/24/63 at NPIC said was his impression. His name is Homer McMahon and he was the supervisor of the color lab at NPIC (the sad irony here is RFK had them move into a new state of the art facility in 1/63, and this allowed them to handle color), and he said in interviews with the ARRB that he viewed the film about "10 times" while making 8x10 still color pictures (he of course was told which frames to make pictures of). As reported by Dr. Mantik he said his impression was "JFK was hit 6-8 times from three directions" (he could tell by the body movement and reactions of JFK), but the suspicious SS agent, Mr. "Smith", said NO, he was hit just THREE times from behind. This is telling because they had NOT worked out the SBT yet as we all know the WC claimed he was hit just twice. (Emphasis mine)
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Again, did Kellerman view the ORIGINAL version of the Z-film to see this? Kellerman would go to the autopsy to view that and he would say this several times.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, did you observe, during the course of the autopsy, bullet fragments which you might describe as little stars?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, of the numerous X-rays that were taken mainly of the skull, the head. The reason for it was that through all the probing which these gentlemen were trying to pick up little pieces of evidence in the form of shell fragments, they were unable to locate any. From the X-rays, when you placed the X-ray up against the light the whole head looked like a little mass of stars, there must have been 30, 40 lights where these pieces were so minute that they couldn't be reached. However, all through this series of X-rays this was the one that they found, through X-ray that was above the right eye, and they removed that.
Mr. SPECTER. How big a piece was that above the right eye, would you say?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The tip of a matchhead, a little larger.
How could there be NO fragments found in the wounds, but the head have so many particles from a bullet of the same kind? It doesn’t seem possible to me.
Specter would try to see if Kellerman could support his crazy SBT story.
Senator COOPER. Let me ask a few questions. Mr. Kellerman, from what you have just said, I think it would be correct that from the time you began to assist in removing President Kennedy from his car to the time you left him in the emergency room that you never saw any bullet on a stretcher, either his stretcher or Governor Connally's stretcher?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I never saw any bullet, sir.
Ah, struck out again. Remember that the FBI would claim they fond two bullet fragments in the area where Kellerman was sitting in the limousine and he would be asked about it.
Mr. SPECTER. And did you ever observe any bullet fragments in the car at rest after the shooting?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.
How could they find fragments where he was sitting while he NEVER SAW THEM? Just wondering.
This testimony is rich in valuable stuff, but in order to keep it from being too long I will end with this comment by him.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, Mr. Kellerman, with respect to the immediate reaction by you to the emergency situation, did you consider at any time leaving your seat, on the right front of the President's automobile, to go into the rear portion, where the President sat?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. And what is the basis for--or what was the basis for your conclusion on that?
Mr. KELLERMAN. After I had heard President Kennedy's voice say, "My God, I am hit," I viewed him, which was enough for me that he was. My decision was to get this man to a hospital, because he needed medical treatment. And during the few seconds that I instructed the driver to get out of here, we are hit, my second instruction was to the man in the lead car ahead of us for the same, to lead us to a hospital, that we are hit. I then turn around, and I had two people injured. Not only was the President down in his seat; the Governor was down in his seat. My presence back there was gone. On top of that, I had Mr. Hill lying across that trunk.
Mr. SPECTER. What do you mean when you say, sir, that your presence back there was gone?
Mr. KELLERMAN. They were comfortable, if there is a comfort in this. Mr. Hill was taking care of Mrs. Kennedy. Mrs. Connally was over the Governor; there was no motion. The next thing was a doctor, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you consider presenting a further shield for the President at that time?
Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did the metallic handhold which you described early in your testimony as being about 15 inches off the top of the seat and going all the way across the width of the car, did that metal structure present any substantial impediment to your moving from the front seat to the rear seat of the automobile?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, I think it would have been a small obstacle. However, let me say this: If I thought in my own mind that I was needed back there, there wouldn't have been an obstacle strong enough to hold me.
Mr. SPECTER. How about the presence of Governor Connally in the jump seat? Would the presence of Governor Connally or any passenger in the jump seat provide a substantial obstacle to your moving from your seat to shield the President's body?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Not at all. It wouldn't have made any difference, sir. Why? Because my job is to protect the President, sir, regardless of the obstacles.
It is clear NO obstacle could stop him, but for some reason he found NO reason to get up and cover JFK after he was hit in the throat. Why? He is making it sound like JFK was killed immediately and he was not. He could have gotten up and moved and either blocked the head shot or made it much harder, but he DID NOTHING. Why? What does he mean by if “…I was needed back there…” when JFK was being shot at? Of course he was needed back there, but he did NOT move. Why?
Can anyone reconcile what we see in the photos and films with what he is claiming? I can’t. He did NOT move and he should have the moment he heard the first shot. He said there was a five second delay from the time he heard the first shot (a firecracker sound) and the flurry, and all he did in that time was get on the radio INSTEAD OF PROTECTING HIS BOSS. Why?
Why did he think when his boss was being shot at there was “no need” for him? What would constitute a need for him? What did he mean by "they were comfortable?" Is being shot akin to being comfortable for him? He said it several times--HE NEVER GAVE ANY THOUGHT TO GETTING UP AND DOING HIS JOB BY PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT. Why? Why was he NEVER in trouble or fired for this lack of action?
We can see he is an inconsistent witness which could lead one to believe he is not being honest in some areas, but he does present enough evidence to show that some of the claims of the WC are false. He helps to sink the overall conclusion the WC reached.