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For What It's Worth
By Raymond Gallagher
9/10
One observation of physics suggests that for every action there is a reaction.
A similar condition seems to exist within the historic JFK assassination investigation. For every defender of a conspiracy theory, there is a champion for non-conspiracy.
It appears that each of us begins with a pre-conceived notion about what is correct, and seek only evidence and testimony that supports our premise. And then, there are the predators that search for new analysts, from both sides of the issue, hoping to find fault and create as much dissension as possible.
A recent survey revealed that 85% of those individuals interviewed believe that the death of JFK involved a conspiracy. Yet, if these same participants, in the survey, were questioned about why; it becomes obvious that they know so little about the details of the event that their opinion is worth no more than their reason for having a favorite color.
The Warren Wizards, themselves, were guilty of a similar pattern of conduct. If testimony of a witness failed to meet their eventual, pre-conceived, lone-assassin pronouncement, the witness became only a footnote.
EXAMPLES: The testimony of Earlene Roberts, who said a police car stopped and blew the horn in front of the rooming house, while LHO was "getting his gun."
Now, if Earlene had been an apartment owner, in Arlington, instead of a common landlady, in a cheap rooming house, in Oak Cliff, the Wizards might have devoted a chapter to the reliability of her testimony. Not the case. Roberts was "confused."
Did Ruby know Tippit ? Not so, said the Wizards. On whose word did they rely? On the word of the hero of Nov. 24.- Jack Ruby himself - or the word of the honorable defenders of our homes and streets - the other officers of law within the Dallas community.
Despite the claim of the WC that Tippit was not known to frequent nightclubs and had no reason during his tour of police duties to enter any of Ruby's clubs, there is testimony by Jack's sister, Eve Grant, to indicate that Tippit was in the Vegas nightclub not long before the assassination.
From Eva's testimony when asked by a member of the WC staff if Jack knew J.D. Tippit - Grant answered: " I don't -I don't know, all I could tell you is that Jack lived in the Oak Cliff area for a couple of years or maybe a year and a half and Tippit, being of that area, he could have run into him and known him slightly. HE DIDN"T KNOW HIM AS WELL AS OTHER POLICEMAN much closer than him, but since all this happened, one of my coworkers, Leo Torti, showed me a magazine and Tippit was in our club sometime a month previous to this-previous to his killing."
MR. HERBERT:" Was it a picture of Tippit?" GRANT: "It was a picture of Tippit, and he said, " Do you remember he talked to you up at the front, and he was in September or October or November sometime."
BURLESON:" Was that the Carousel or the Vegas?"
GRANT: "The Vegas, and while I looked at him I remembered that he looked familiar..."
BURLESON:" Mr. Herbert, I think that is all I have along that line." Vol. 14, p 486.
At this point of inquiry, the questioners ended what might have proven to be a fruitful revelation, but as was generally the case, they muted the possibility of producing testimony that would lead to a possible conspiracy.
When Harry Officer Harry Olsen was asked if Ruby knew Tippit:
OLSEN: "It seemed that he did know Officer Tippit."
SPECTER: "Why do you say , "It seemed that he did know Officer Tippit."
OLSEN: I believe he said that Tippit had been to the club." Vol.: 14, p. 632
The picture presented to the public by the DPD and the WC would appear to be the perfect family living in harmony with the world, but even before the revelations of J.D's adulterous conduct by the HSC in 1977, there was an indication that something was wrong at 238 Glencarin, the home of the Tippits. Heard on the police radio transcripts shortly after Tippit was pronounced dead at Methodist Hospital- the following communication:
CALLER MESSAGE
210 Has anyone made arrangements or picked up Tippit's wife yet?
Dispatcher: I'm not sure 210
210 If you give me his address, I will go there and pick her up. I do not have anybody to send right now.
210 I'll call 505 for the address.
Dispatcher 10:4, 1:51 pm.
At 1:56 pm
210 ; I'm downtown.
J.D. Tippit lives at 7500 So. Beckley. I'm running Code 2 (URGENT) TO HIS WIFE'S HOUSE
Dispatcher: Yes, go ahead. 1: 56 pm.
The 1963 Dallas City Directory listed the name of John E. Boone as the resident of 7500 So. Beckley. Telephone CA 43847.
Occupation: Press Operator at the Dallas Times Herald. The above transcript can be found: CE 705, Vol. 17, PP. 471-472-473.
Ruth Paine became the darling of the age, and whatever she said became The Gospel of Ruth. Yet, among the more realistic members of the Oswald Inquisition, a special investigation of Ruth and "hen-pecked-hubby," Mike, was in order. That thought was shut down post-haste. We can only wonder why. Some believe that because the Paines were "rolled-over" agents of the intelligence community, they deserved a hands-off treatment and a silent offering of immunity.
Ass't D.A. Wm. Alexander felt that "more should have been done with the Paines." I agree, and it isn't too late.
Then, again, who was Alexander? Here was a guy who told the FBI that he didn't know of any connection between Ruby and the underworld. If there was such a connection, he believed "it would have come to the attention of his office." He also had a signed pass to Ruby's club, found among Ruby's possessions, and had spoke to Jack the day before the assassination.
(CE 1628, CE 1322, pp.735-36 A microfilm of the actual cards revealed a signed card for every name listed, except that of Alexander's card is curiously missing. JFK microfilm, Vol. 5, pp R 13-28)
But, Que scais-je? - What do I know?
MORE ON TIPPIT:
From the Warren Commission Wizards
"At about 12:44 p.m., on November 22, the radio dispatcher on Channel 1 ordered all downtown patrol squads to report to Elm and Houston, code 3 (emergency)." At 12:45 , the dispatcher ordered No.78 (Tippit ) to "move into the Oak Cliff area." At about 12:45, Tippit reported that he was in the central Oak Cliff area at Lancaster and Eighth. The dispatcher then advised Tippit to "be at large for any emergency that comes in." (WE p. 165)
It is not sufficient to say that Tippit alone was ordered into the Oak Cliff section of Dallas at the height of excitement and bedlam. In the actual police transcript, the dispatcher orders two policemen into the Oak Cliff area at 12:45, No. 87 and No. 78. No 87 was patrolman R.C. Nelson. (see CE 1974, p.28)
After a close examination of the available evidence, it will become clear that there is reason to believe that no such order was dispatched that day.
In April 1964, pressure was put on Chief of Police Curry to explain Tippit's presence in District 91 where he was shot to death. This April request came after the WC had received two other transcripts of the Dallas transmissions supposedly made on 11-22-63. The Commission had hoped to find an explanation for Tippit's reason to be in District 91.
From Reasonable Doubt by Henry Hurt:
"The Warren Commission continued to struggle with the problem throughout the spring. It heard testimony from three supervisors from the Dallas Police Dept. who tried to explain why Tippit was in the wrong place. The reasons were purely speculative, vaguely suggesting the demonstrably absurd possibility that Tippit was heading for Dealey Plaza four miles away to be of assistance there. During this testimony, there never was any reference to the possibility that Tippit might have been ordered to central Oak Cliff by the radio dispatcher. And, of course, the three supervisors were quite aware of the intense effort being made to find an answer to the riddle.
"The mystery remained unsolved until finally, in the spring, the WC requested and received a verbatim transcript - not one edited to include only transmissions related to Kennedy and Tippit. The Commission hoped that such a transcript might yield the elusive answer.
"It must have been a stunning revelation for the commission to discover that the new transcripts contained, at least, the badly needed answer to the puzzle. According to the transcript - and supported by the actual tape-there was an order given to Tippit at 12:45 p.m., an inexplicable instruction believed to be unique in the Dallas Police Dept., it also had not been in the first transcript. Moreover, none of the police supervisors who testified earlier indicated that they knew anything about it. " (Hurt, p.160)
The first transcript submitted to the WC was SAWYER EXHIBIT A. There is no recognizable mention of Tippit or an order to "move into the Oak Cliff area."
The second transcript submitted , the 12:45 order directing him to Oak Cliff was CE 705. It simply says: " 87-78 move into Central Oak Cliff." There is no response by either officer."
The strange thing about the order is that Officer R.C. Nelson, No 87, is also instructed to move into Central Oak Cliff along with Tippit. Why would these two policemen be singled out to patrol a district that was already being patrolled by Officer Wm. D. Mentzel.
Also strange about the dispatch; neither officer responded to the dispatcher that they heard the order. The next time Nelson is heard from is at 12:52 when he signaled the dispatcher and informed him that he is " Out down here." At 1:22 Nelson again reports that he is at Elm and Houston, the site of the assassination.
In 1984, Henry Hurt interviewed R.C. Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana, Texas, where Nelson was then in private business. Nelson told the author that he had waited a long time to tell his story for the public record, but not without payment.
When Hurt asked Nelson: "Did you hear the dispatcher's order telling you to go there ?" Nelson replied, "I'm not sure what you mean. I had rather not talk about that." He then told Hurt that he considered that to be part of the story he was willing to negotiate. Hurt never did get an answer. He was not willing to pay Nelson. (HURT, pp. 161-62-63)
Sgt. Calvin Owens, J.D.'s supervisor for ten years was no help in explaining the officer's movements. Owens , who was in his car at 12:45, when the order was allegedly given, did not know that Tippit had been moved. He was surprised to learn that J.D.was in District 91 and went there when the officer was shot. At 1:33 Owens contacted the dispatcher and asked him :" Do you know what kind of a call he was on?" The dispatcher answered "What kind of what?" Owens asked, "Was he on a call or anything?" The dispatcher answered, "NO."
The only reasonable answer to the tape discrepancies is that the tapes were altered to place Tippit in the district where he died without admitting his reason for being there. There is lots more evidence to prove that the tapes were altered, but it would require far too much time and space on this forum to accomplish.
Was Tippit on his own and looking for Oswald to kill him? Probably. When Marina asked Lee, at the police station, why he shot the policeman, Lee told her: " It was kill or be killed
It turned out to be : "It was kill."
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For What It's Worth
By Raymond Gallagher
9/10
One observation of physics suggests that for every action there is a reaction.
A similar condition seems to exist within the historic JFK assassination investigation. For every defender of a conspiracy theory, there is a champion for non-conspiracy.
It appears that each of us begins with a pre-conceived notion about what is correct, and seek only evidence and testimony that supports our premise. And then, there are the predators that search for new analysts, from both sides of the issue, hoping to find fault and create as much dissension as possible.
A recent survey revealed that 85% of those individuals interviewed believe that the death of JFK involved a conspiracy. Yet, if these same participants, in the survey, were questioned about why; it becomes obvious that they know so little about the details of the event that their opinion is worth no more than their reason for having a favorite color.
The Warren Wizards, themselves, were guilty of a similar pattern of conduct. If testimony of a witness failed to meet their eventual, pre-conceived, lone-assassin pronouncement, the witness became only a footnote.
EXAMPLES: The testimony of Earlene Roberts, who said a police car stopped and blew the horn in front of the rooming house, while LHO was "getting his gun."
Now, if Earlene had been an apartment owner, in Arlington, instead of a common landlady, in a cheap rooming house, in Oak Cliff, the Wizards might have devoted a chapter to the reliability of her testimony. Not the case. Roberts was "confused."
Did Ruby know Tippit ? Not so, said the Wizards. On whose word did they rely? On the word of the hero of Nov. 24.- Jack Ruby himself - or the word of the honorable defenders of our homes and streets - the other officers of law within the Dallas community.
Despite the claim of the WC that Tippit was not known to frequent nightclubs and had no reason during his tour of police duties to enter any of Ruby's clubs, there is testimony by Jack's sister, Eve Grant, to indicate that Tippit was in the Vegas nightclub not long before the assassination.
From Eva's testimony when asked by a member of the WC staff if Jack knew J.D. Tippit - Grant answered: " I don't -I don't know, all I could tell you is that Jack lived in the Oak Cliff area for a couple of years or maybe a year and a half and Tippit, being of that area, he could have run into him and known him slightly. HE DIDN"T KNOW HIM AS WELL AS OTHER POLICEMAN much closer than him, but since all this happened, one of my coworkers, Leo Torti, showed me a magazine and Tippit was in our club sometime a month previous to this-previous to his killing."
MR. HERBERT:" Was it a picture of Tippit?" GRANT: "It was a picture of Tippit, and he said, " Do you remember he talked to you up at the front, and he was in September or October or November sometime."
BURLESON:" Was that the Carousel or the Vegas?"
GRANT: "The Vegas, and while I looked at him I remembered that he looked familiar..."
BURLESON:" Mr. Herbert, I think that is all I have along that line." Vol. 14, p 486.
At this point of inquiry, the questioners ended what might have proven to be a fruitful revelation, but as was generally the case, they muted the possibility of producing testimony that would lead to a possible conspiracy.
When Harry Officer Harry Olsen was asked if Ruby knew Tippit:
OLSEN: "It seemed that he did know Officer Tippit."
SPECTER: "Why do you say , "It seemed that he did know Officer Tippit."
OLSEN: I believe he said that Tippit had been to the club." Vol.: 14, p. 632
The picture presented to the public by the DPD and the WC would appear to be the perfect family living in harmony with the world, but even before the revelations of J.D's adulterous conduct by the HSC in 1977, there was an indication that something was wrong at 238 Glencarin, the home of the Tippits. Heard on the police radio transcripts shortly after Tippit was pronounced dead at Methodist Hospital- the following communication:
CALLER MESSAGE
210 Has anyone made arrangements or picked up Tippit's wife yet?
Dispatcher: I'm not sure 210
210 If you give me his address, I will go there and pick her up. I do not have anybody to send right now.
210 I'll call 505 for the address.
Dispatcher 10:4, 1:51 pm.
At 1:56 pm
210 ; I'm downtown.
J.D. Tippit lives at 7500 So. Beckley. I'm running Code 2 (URGENT) TO HIS WIFE'S HOUSE
Dispatcher: Yes, go ahead. 1: 56 pm.
The 1963 Dallas City Directory listed the name of John E. Boone as the resident of 7500 So. Beckley. Telephone CA 43847.
Occupation: Press Operator at the Dallas Times Herald. The above transcript can be found: CE 705, Vol. 17, PP. 471-472-473.
Ruth Paine became the darling of the age, and whatever she said became The Gospel of Ruth. Yet, among the more realistic members of the Oswald Inquisition, a special investigation of Ruth and "hen-pecked-hubby," Mike, was in order. That thought was shut down post-haste. We can only wonder why. Some believe that because the Paines were "rolled-over" agents of the intelligence community, they deserved a hands-off treatment and a silent offering of immunity.
Ass't D.A. Wm. Alexander felt that "more should have been done with the Paines." I agree, and it isn't too late.
Then, again, who was Alexander? Here was a guy who told the FBI that he didn't know of any connection between Ruby and the underworld. If there was such a connection, he believed "it would have come to the attention of his office." He also had a signed pass to Ruby's club, found among Ruby's possessions, and had spoke to Jack the day before the assassination.
(CE 1628, CE 1322, pp.735-36 A microfilm of the actual cards revealed a signed card for every name listed, except that of Alexander's card is curiously missing. JFK microfilm, Vol. 5, pp R 13-28)
But, Que scais-je? - What do I know?
MORE ON TIPPIT:
From the Warren Commission Wizards
"At about 12:44 p.m., on November 22, the radio dispatcher on Channel 1 ordered all downtown patrol squads to report to Elm and Houston, code 3 (emergency)." At 12:45 , the dispatcher ordered No.78 (Tippit ) to "move into the Oak Cliff area." At about 12:45, Tippit reported that he was in the central Oak Cliff area at Lancaster and Eighth. The dispatcher then advised Tippit to "be at large for any emergency that comes in." (WE p. 165)
It is not sufficient to say that Tippit alone was ordered into the Oak Cliff section of Dallas at the height of excitement and bedlam. In the actual police transcript, the dispatcher orders two policemen into the Oak Cliff area at 12:45, No. 87 and No. 78. No 87 was patrolman R.C. Nelson. (see CE 1974, p.28)
After a close examination of the available evidence, it will become clear that there is reason to believe that no such order was dispatched that day.
In April 1964, pressure was put on Chief of Police Curry to explain Tippit's presence in District 91 where he was shot to death. This April request came after the WC had received two other transcripts of the Dallas transmissions supposedly made on 11-22-63. The Commission had hoped to find an explanation for Tippit's reason to be in District 91.
From Reasonable Doubt by Henry Hurt:
"The Warren Commission continued to struggle with the problem throughout the spring. It heard testimony from three supervisors from the Dallas Police Dept. who tried to explain why Tippit was in the wrong place. The reasons were purely speculative, vaguely suggesting the demonstrably absurd possibility that Tippit was heading for Dealey Plaza four miles away to be of assistance there. During this testimony, there never was any reference to the possibility that Tippit might have been ordered to central Oak Cliff by the radio dispatcher. And, of course, the three supervisors were quite aware of the intense effort being made to find an answer to the riddle.
"The mystery remained unsolved until finally, in the spring, the WC requested and received a verbatim transcript - not one edited to include only transmissions related to Kennedy and Tippit. The Commission hoped that such a transcript might yield the elusive answer.
"It must have been a stunning revelation for the commission to discover that the new transcripts contained, at least, the badly needed answer to the puzzle. According to the transcript - and supported by the actual tape-there was an order given to Tippit at 12:45 p.m., an inexplicable instruction believed to be unique in the Dallas Police Dept., it also had not been in the first transcript. Moreover, none of the police supervisors who testified earlier indicated that they knew anything about it. " (Hurt, p.160)
The first transcript submitted to the WC was SAWYER EXHIBIT A. There is no recognizable mention of Tippit or an order to "move into the Oak Cliff area."
The second transcript submitted , the 12:45 order directing him to Oak Cliff was CE 705. It simply says: " 87-78 move into Central Oak Cliff." There is no response by either officer."
The strange thing about the order is that Officer R.C. Nelson, No 87, is also instructed to move into Central Oak Cliff along with Tippit. Why would these two policemen be singled out to patrol a district that was already being patrolled by Officer Wm. D. Mentzel.
Also strange about the dispatch; neither officer responded to the dispatcher that they heard the order. The next time Nelson is heard from is at 12:52 when he signaled the dispatcher and informed him that he is " Out down here." At 1:22 Nelson again reports that he is at Elm and Houston, the site of the assassination.
In 1984, Henry Hurt interviewed R.C. Nelson in a parking lot in Corsicana, Texas, where Nelson was then in private business. Nelson told the author that he had waited a long time to tell his story for the public record, but not without payment.
When Hurt asked Nelson: "Did you hear the dispatcher's order telling you to go there ?" Nelson replied, "I'm not sure what you mean. I had rather not talk about that." He then told Hurt that he considered that to be part of the story he was willing to negotiate. Hurt never did get an answer. He was not willing to pay Nelson. (HURT, pp. 161-62-63)
Sgt. Calvin Owens, J.D.'s supervisor for ten years was no help in explaining the officer's movements. Owens , who was in his car at 12:45, when the order was allegedly given, did not know that Tippit had been moved. He was surprised to learn that J.D.was in District 91 and went there when the officer was shot. At 1:33 Owens contacted the dispatcher and asked him :" Do you know what kind of a call he was on?" The dispatcher answered "What kind of what?" Owens asked, "Was he on a call or anything?" The dispatcher answered, "NO."
The only reasonable answer to the tape discrepancies is that the tapes were altered to place Tippit in the district where he died without admitting his reason for being there. There is lots more evidence to prove that the tapes were altered, but it would require far too much time and space on this forum to accomplish.
Was Tippit on his own and looking for Oswald to kill him? Probably. When Marina asked Lee, at the police station, why he shot the policeman, Lee told her: " It was kill or be killed
It turned out to be : "It was kill."