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Nash Rambler Witnesses
Written in 2008
These are the witnesses that saw the Nash Rambler that day. Notice all but one wasn't called to testify to the Warren Commission (WC). Why?
James Richard Worrell, Jr., a senior in high school who had skipped class to see President John F. Kennedy (JFK), was standing at the foot of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) when he heard the first shot. Looking directly up he saw a few inches of a rifle sticking out of the sixth floor window, and he saw the rifle fire. Panicking, he ran around the corner, then stopped to get his breath. About two minutes later he saw a white man, about 5'10", with dark hair, wearing a sports coat, run from the back door of the TSBD and walk briskly south on Houston Street. He did not see the man's face. Worrell identified the man as Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) when shown LHO's photograph by the FBI, then denied to the WC ever identifying anyone.
Richard Randolph Carr, a steelworker watching the motorcade from the seventh floor of the courthouse across the street from the TSBD, saw a heavy-set man wearing a hat, a tan sport coat, and horn-rimmed glasses looking out of a window on an upper floor of the TSBD. Soon after the assassination, Carr saw the man hurrying south from the TSBD on Houston Street, then east on Commerce, where he got into a Nash Rambler station wagon with a luggage rack on top and Texas license plates, parked on the corner of Commerce and Record. A dark-complected man was waiting for him in the driver's seat of the Rambler. The man in the brown sports jacket got in the passenger side, and the Rambler headed north on Houston. The FBI interviewed Carr on January 4, 1964. The WC did not call him as a witness nor mention him in any of their published evidence.
Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig was standing on the south side of Elm Street seeking out witnesses when he heard a sharp whistle from behind him. He turned to see a white male with dark hair wearing a light-colored, short-sleeved shirt, run down the incline from behind the TSBD on Elm Street, where a light-colored Nash Rambler station wagon with a luggage rack on top, driven by a dark-complected man wearing a white windbreaker-type jacket, had pulled up. Deputy Sheriff Craig would later identify the man running toward the station wagon as LHO. As this man was the only person who seemed to be in a hurry to leave the scene, Craig tried to cross the street and hold him, but traffic was too heavy. The man got into the station wagon, which then sped off through the triple underpass in the direction of Oak Cliff.
Mrs. Helen Forrest was standing among a group of people on the incline between the TSBD and the area known as the grassy knoll. She saw a man run down the incline from the rear of the Book Depository and enter a Nash Rambler station wagon. She later told historian Michael L. Kurtz, "If it wasn't Oswald, it was his identical twin."
Another witness, James Pennington, saw the exact same thing. Due to the mysterious circumstances perceived to surround the deaths of a number of witnesses, Pennington told his story only with great reluctance.
Marvin C. Robinson had been driving south on Houston at about 12:30 pm, and had to wait for several minutes at Houston and Elm until the motorcade had passed. An employee of his at the Garland, Texas, Ling Temco Vought (LTV) plant, Roy Cooper, was following him in his own car to Robinson's home in Oak Cliff. Robinson had just made a right turn and was driving his Cadillac west on Elm Street when a light-colored Nash Rambler station wagon pulled out in front of him and abruptly stopped in front of the TSBD; Robinson had to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting it. A young man came down the grassy incline and got into the vehicle, which sped away under the triple underpass in the direction of Oak Cliff. Robinson was interviewed by the FBI on November 23, 1963. He said he would be unable to identify the man he saw. He was not called to testify before the WC, is not mentioned in the Warren Report, and his statement was not published in the WC Hearings volumes.
Roy Cooper of Euless, Texas, had just turned right on Elm Street and was driving west directly behind the Cadillac belonging to his supervisor, Marvin Robinson's. He saw a light-colored Nash Rambler station wagon which "pulled out real fast in front of the Cadillac driven by his boss, and his employer had to stop abruptly and nearly hit this Nash Rambler." He observed a white man between the ages of 20 and 30 come down the grassy incline, wave at the station wagon, then get in when it pulled up.
He was interviewed by the Dallas FBI on November 23, 1963. "Cooper could not see who was driving the Nash Rambler and could not furnish any further description of the man who jumped in the car. They drove off at a rather fast rate of speed and went down toward the overpass toward Oak Cliff. . . . He believed that Robinson could give further information about the Rambler station wagon, also the driver and the rider".
Roy Cooper was not called as a witness by the WC or the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA); his FBI report was classified until at least 1992. It was discovered at the National Archives II building in College Park, Maryland, by researcher Chris Courtwright in 1996.
More interesting information on a station wagon comes from Clay Shaw. On March 24, 1964, A letter written by T.G. Womack, Jr., a Hammond, Louisiana, insurance agent, is sent to Clay L. Shaw, 1313 Dauphine Street, New Orleans, Louisiana. The letter is in reference to Marquette no. 105628, and “Marquette Casualty Company” is the imprint on the bottom of the Womack Insurance Agency letterhead “Dear Clay: Your dad was in my office this morning and returned the above policy covering liability on the 1962 Rambler Station Wagon. I agreed to hold up cancellation of this policy until I had word from you that you had arranged for coverage with your New Orleans agent. Just for your records the automobile is described as being a 1962 Rambler Ambassador M#H171787 (4-Dr. Sta. Wagon).”
Shaw had a secretary, Goldie Naomi Moore, who had worked for Shaw from February 6, 1946, until October 1, 1965, when Shaw left the Trade Mart. In her testimony before the New Orleans Grand Jury on August 23, 1967, she was asked if Shaw drove a black Ford Thunderbird in 1963. Her reply was as follows.
Q. Did you ever see Mr. Shaw driving a car other than black Thunderbird?
A. I don't know -- it was in 1963 -- he had driven a stationwagon.
Q. A stationwagon -- who would that belong to?
A. His father, I think. (New Orleans Grand Jury Testimony, 8/23/67)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1197#relPageId=5
Unfortunately when she was asked the color of this station wagon her answer is noted as "inaudible." Why this wasn't noted at the time is beyond me as she could have been asked to repeat her answer. Why she wasn't asked what type of station wagon this was is also unforgivable as it might have been a Rambler. This would have been very easy to check out with Shaw's father, but it seems nothing was done with this interesting information.
For more on the story about Clay Shaw's station wagon see this:
jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1705/statements-sink-wcs-conclusions-482
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Nash Rambler Witnesses
Written in 2008
These are the witnesses that saw the Nash Rambler that day. Notice all but one wasn't called to testify to the Warren Commission (WC). Why?
James Richard Worrell, Jr., a senior in high school who had skipped class to see President John F. Kennedy (JFK), was standing at the foot of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) when he heard the first shot. Looking directly up he saw a few inches of a rifle sticking out of the sixth floor window, and he saw the rifle fire. Panicking, he ran around the corner, then stopped to get his breath. About two minutes later he saw a white man, about 5'10", with dark hair, wearing a sports coat, run from the back door of the TSBD and walk briskly south on Houston Street. He did not see the man's face. Worrell identified the man as Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) when shown LHO's photograph by the FBI, then denied to the WC ever identifying anyone.
Richard Randolph Carr, a steelworker watching the motorcade from the seventh floor of the courthouse across the street from the TSBD, saw a heavy-set man wearing a hat, a tan sport coat, and horn-rimmed glasses looking out of a window on an upper floor of the TSBD. Soon after the assassination, Carr saw the man hurrying south from the TSBD on Houston Street, then east on Commerce, where he got into a Nash Rambler station wagon with a luggage rack on top and Texas license plates, parked on the corner of Commerce and Record. A dark-complected man was waiting for him in the driver's seat of the Rambler. The man in the brown sports jacket got in the passenger side, and the Rambler headed north on Houston. The FBI interviewed Carr on January 4, 1964. The WC did not call him as a witness nor mention him in any of their published evidence.
Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig was standing on the south side of Elm Street seeking out witnesses when he heard a sharp whistle from behind him. He turned to see a white male with dark hair wearing a light-colored, short-sleeved shirt, run down the incline from behind the TSBD on Elm Street, where a light-colored Nash Rambler station wagon with a luggage rack on top, driven by a dark-complected man wearing a white windbreaker-type jacket, had pulled up. Deputy Sheriff Craig would later identify the man running toward the station wagon as LHO. As this man was the only person who seemed to be in a hurry to leave the scene, Craig tried to cross the street and hold him, but traffic was too heavy. The man got into the station wagon, which then sped off through the triple underpass in the direction of Oak Cliff.
Mrs. Helen Forrest was standing among a group of people on the incline between the TSBD and the area known as the grassy knoll. She saw a man run down the incline from the rear of the Book Depository and enter a Nash Rambler station wagon. She later told historian Michael L. Kurtz, "If it wasn't Oswald, it was his identical twin."
Another witness, James Pennington, saw the exact same thing. Due to the mysterious circumstances perceived to surround the deaths of a number of witnesses, Pennington told his story only with great reluctance.
Marvin C. Robinson had been driving south on Houston at about 12:30 pm, and had to wait for several minutes at Houston and Elm until the motorcade had passed. An employee of his at the Garland, Texas, Ling Temco Vought (LTV) plant, Roy Cooper, was following him in his own car to Robinson's home in Oak Cliff. Robinson had just made a right turn and was driving his Cadillac west on Elm Street when a light-colored Nash Rambler station wagon pulled out in front of him and abruptly stopped in front of the TSBD; Robinson had to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting it. A young man came down the grassy incline and got into the vehicle, which sped away under the triple underpass in the direction of Oak Cliff. Robinson was interviewed by the FBI on November 23, 1963. He said he would be unable to identify the man he saw. He was not called to testify before the WC, is not mentioned in the Warren Report, and his statement was not published in the WC Hearings volumes.
Roy Cooper of Euless, Texas, had just turned right on Elm Street and was driving west directly behind the Cadillac belonging to his supervisor, Marvin Robinson's. He saw a light-colored Nash Rambler station wagon which "pulled out real fast in front of the Cadillac driven by his boss, and his employer had to stop abruptly and nearly hit this Nash Rambler." He observed a white man between the ages of 20 and 30 come down the grassy incline, wave at the station wagon, then get in when it pulled up.
He was interviewed by the Dallas FBI on November 23, 1963. "Cooper could not see who was driving the Nash Rambler and could not furnish any further description of the man who jumped in the car. They drove off at a rather fast rate of speed and went down toward the overpass toward Oak Cliff. . . . He believed that Robinson could give further information about the Rambler station wagon, also the driver and the rider".
Roy Cooper was not called as a witness by the WC or the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA); his FBI report was classified until at least 1992. It was discovered at the National Archives II building in College Park, Maryland, by researcher Chris Courtwright in 1996.
More interesting information on a station wagon comes from Clay Shaw. On March 24, 1964, A letter written by T.G. Womack, Jr., a Hammond, Louisiana, insurance agent, is sent to Clay L. Shaw, 1313 Dauphine Street, New Orleans, Louisiana. The letter is in reference to Marquette no. 105628, and “Marquette Casualty Company” is the imprint on the bottom of the Womack Insurance Agency letterhead “Dear Clay: Your dad was in my office this morning and returned the above policy covering liability on the 1962 Rambler Station Wagon. I agreed to hold up cancellation of this policy until I had word from you that you had arranged for coverage with your New Orleans agent. Just for your records the automobile is described as being a 1962 Rambler Ambassador M#H171787 (4-Dr. Sta. Wagon).”
Shaw had a secretary, Goldie Naomi Moore, who had worked for Shaw from February 6, 1946, until October 1, 1965, when Shaw left the Trade Mart. In her testimony before the New Orleans Grand Jury on August 23, 1967, she was asked if Shaw drove a black Ford Thunderbird in 1963. Her reply was as follows.
Q. Did you ever see Mr. Shaw driving a car other than black Thunderbird?
A. I don't know -- it was in 1963 -- he had driven a stationwagon.
Q. A stationwagon -- who would that belong to?
A. His father, I think. (New Orleans Grand Jury Testimony, 8/23/67)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1197#relPageId=5
Unfortunately when she was asked the color of this station wagon her answer is noted as "inaudible." Why this wasn't noted at the time is beyond me as she could have been asked to repeat her answer. Why she wasn't asked what type of station wagon this was is also unforgivable as it might have been a Rambler. This would have been very easy to check out with Shaw's father, but it seems nothing was done with this interesting information.
For more on the story about Clay Shaw's station wagon see this:
jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1705/statements-sink-wcs-conclusions-482