Post by Rob Caprio on Apr 18, 2022 14:08:29 GMT -5
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One of the two witnesses the Warren Commission (WC) interviewed said YES!
George Applin was in the theater on November 22, 1963, and relayed what he saw. OF course the admission of who the mysterious man was he spoke with would NOT be said to be Jack Ruby until 1979 as he feared for his life.
Mr. BALL - What did you do? Go to the picture show?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL - What time of day did you go there?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, actually, I went to---I was over in Oak Cliff, around about, I guess, about 12 o'clock, I imagine is what time it was. I was there and the show hadn't opened up, so, I was sitting in my car listening to the radio up until the time that the show opened.
Mr. BALL - You went in the show when it opened?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Paid your way?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And where did you take your seat? What part of the theatre?
Mr. APPLIN - About six rows down, I got in the middle aisle, about the middle of the chairs.
Mr. BALL - Middle aisle, six rows from the rear?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And you were how far from the middle aisle into the row of seats?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, about--seemed quite a little while since I thought about this. I guess I was about four or five seats over from the aisle.
Please read his testimony as he had an up-close view of the arrest. I'm interested in his comments about the "man" who was sitting near him in the theater.
Mr. BALL - Okay, fine, that is all, Mr. Applin.
Mr. APPLIN - But, there is one thing puzzling me.
Mr. BALL - What is that?
Mr. APPLIN - And I don't even know if it has any bearing on the case, but there was one guy sitting in the back row right there where I was standing at, and I said to him, I said, "Buddy, you'd better move. There is a gun." And he says--just sat there. He was just back like this. Just like this. Just watching.
Mr. BALL - Just watching the show?
Mr. APPLIN - No; I don't think he could have seen the show. Just sitting just like this, just looking at me.
Mr. BALL - Did you know the man?
Mr. APPLIN - No; I didn't.
Mr. BALL - Ever seen him since?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; didn't. I tapped him on the shoulder and said, "Buddy, you'd better move," and----
Mr. BALL - Were you scared?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, when I seen the gun I was.
Mr. BALL - Did you tell the police officer about this man?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; at the time, I didn't think about it, but I did tell--I didn't even think about it when I went before the Secret Service man, but I did tell one of the FBI men about it.
Mr. BALL - Okay. I guess that is all, Mr. Applin. Thank you very much.
Mr. APPLIN - All right.
In 1979 he would tell a news reporter that he did recognize the man as Jack Ruby! Applin told the Dallas Morning News the following.
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At the time the Warren Commission had me down there at the Post Office in Dallas to get my statement, I was afraid to give it. I gave everything up to the point of what I gave the police there in town....I'm a pretty nervous guy anyway because I'll you what: After I saw that magazine where all those people they said were connected with some of this had come up dead, it kind of made me keep a low profile....(Jack) Ruby was sitting down, just watching them. And when Oswald pulled the gun and snapped it at (McDonald's) head and missed and the darned thing wouldn't fire, that is when I tapped him on the shoulder and told him he had better move because those guns were waving around. He just turned around and looked at me. He then turned around and started watching them." (Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, p. 352)
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Applin said he recognized Ruby later on from the photos shown on television following his shooting of LHO. So he knew who this man was even though he told the WC twice he did NOT, and the reason for this lie was given in the above statement. He was afraid for his life IF he gave away this key piece of information.
IF this is correct, and I don't know why Applin would say it was Ruby IF it was not, then we have a repeated pattern of Ruby sightings. Ruby was seen by several witnesses in DP prior to the shootings (Mercer and Tilson), a.sighting (and photograph according to witness Phil Willis) in front of the TSBD after the shooting (some Mexican women working nearby said they saw Ruby as well in front of the TSBD), Ruby in TT (Applin) and of course the repeated sightings of Ruby at Police HQ during the weekend leading up to the shooting.
My feeling as always been that Ruby was assigned the job of eliminating LHO, but he was supposed to do it before he left the TSBD! When he botched this he then followed him according to plan and was present for the arrest. When LHO allegedly pulled his revolver with the faulty firing pin (some researchers have said he got this pistol from Ruby) the opportunity was there for the DPD (McDonald probably) to eliminate him again! Whether he actually pulled the pistol or not has been debated, but Applin said he did.
Mr. BALL - Took a swing at him and what happened then?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the officer, I heard him say, "Here he is." And during the proceeding of that, I guess about 5 or 10 seconds later, there was another--I think it was two officers, or one, passed me and ran down there to him.
Mr. BALL - Did you see a gun? (Leading question)
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.
Mr. BALL - Then did you see a gun? (Leading and repitive question)
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; but only--there was one gun. The pistol. It came into view before any of the other officers got there.
Mr. BALL - That is what I mean. What do you say happened about that? Who pulled a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, anyhow, the officer was facing this way [indicating] and Oswald was facing this way [indicating]. And then the gun was pointed out that way [indicating].
Notice how Applin said that he didn't notice the pistol UNTIL four or five police officers got to him. He would say that he assumed that it was LHO that pulled the pistol, but based on what he said it couldn't have been.
Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN – I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
This couldn't have been LHO pulling the pistol since even the WC said that he was wearing a long-sleeved shirt (CE 150). It is more likely that it was a police car as N.M. McDonald told the local media that he had his gun drawn as he approached LHO!
When this failed they were left with one option -- transfer time!
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One of the two witnesses the Warren Commission (WC) interviewed said YES!
George Applin was in the theater on November 22, 1963, and relayed what he saw. OF course the admission of who the mysterious man was he spoke with would NOT be said to be Jack Ruby until 1979 as he feared for his life.
Mr. BALL - What did you do? Go to the picture show?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL - What time of day did you go there?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, actually, I went to---I was over in Oak Cliff, around about, I guess, about 12 o'clock, I imagine is what time it was. I was there and the show hadn't opened up, so, I was sitting in my car listening to the radio up until the time that the show opened.
Mr. BALL - You went in the show when it opened?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Paid your way?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And where did you take your seat? What part of the theatre?
Mr. APPLIN - About six rows down, I got in the middle aisle, about the middle of the chairs.
Mr. BALL - Middle aisle, six rows from the rear?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And you were how far from the middle aisle into the row of seats?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, about--seemed quite a little while since I thought about this. I guess I was about four or five seats over from the aisle.
Please read his testimony as he had an up-close view of the arrest. I'm interested in his comments about the "man" who was sitting near him in the theater.
Mr. BALL - Okay, fine, that is all, Mr. Applin.
Mr. APPLIN - But, there is one thing puzzling me.
Mr. BALL - What is that?
Mr. APPLIN - And I don't even know if it has any bearing on the case, but there was one guy sitting in the back row right there where I was standing at, and I said to him, I said, "Buddy, you'd better move. There is a gun." And he says--just sat there. He was just back like this. Just like this. Just watching.
Mr. BALL - Just watching the show?
Mr. APPLIN - No; I don't think he could have seen the show. Just sitting just like this, just looking at me.
Mr. BALL - Did you know the man?
Mr. APPLIN - No; I didn't.
Mr. BALL - Ever seen him since?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; didn't. I tapped him on the shoulder and said, "Buddy, you'd better move," and----
Mr. BALL - Were you scared?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, when I seen the gun I was.
Mr. BALL - Did you tell the police officer about this man?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; at the time, I didn't think about it, but I did tell--I didn't even think about it when I went before the Secret Service man, but I did tell one of the FBI men about it.
Mr. BALL - Okay. I guess that is all, Mr. Applin. Thank you very much.
Mr. APPLIN - All right.
In 1979 he would tell a news reporter that he did recognize the man as Jack Ruby! Applin told the Dallas Morning News the following.
Quote on
At the time the Warren Commission had me down there at the Post Office in Dallas to get my statement, I was afraid to give it. I gave everything up to the point of what I gave the police there in town....I'm a pretty nervous guy anyway because I'll you what: After I saw that magazine where all those people they said were connected with some of this had come up dead, it kind of made me keep a low profile....(Jack) Ruby was sitting down, just watching them. And when Oswald pulled the gun and snapped it at (McDonald's) head and missed and the darned thing wouldn't fire, that is when I tapped him on the shoulder and told him he had better move because those guns were waving around. He just turned around and looked at me. He then turned around and started watching them." (Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, p. 352)
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Applin said he recognized Ruby later on from the photos shown on television following his shooting of LHO. So he knew who this man was even though he told the WC twice he did NOT, and the reason for this lie was given in the above statement. He was afraid for his life IF he gave away this key piece of information.
IF this is correct, and I don't know why Applin would say it was Ruby IF it was not, then we have a repeated pattern of Ruby sightings. Ruby was seen by several witnesses in DP prior to the shootings (Mercer and Tilson), a.sighting (and photograph according to witness Phil Willis) in front of the TSBD after the shooting (some Mexican women working nearby said they saw Ruby as well in front of the TSBD), Ruby in TT (Applin) and of course the repeated sightings of Ruby at Police HQ during the weekend leading up to the shooting.
My feeling as always been that Ruby was assigned the job of eliminating LHO, but he was supposed to do it before he left the TSBD! When he botched this he then followed him according to plan and was present for the arrest. When LHO allegedly pulled his revolver with the faulty firing pin (some researchers have said he got this pistol from Ruby) the opportunity was there for the DPD (McDonald probably) to eliminate him again! Whether he actually pulled the pistol or not has been debated, but Applin said he did.
Mr. BALL - Took a swing at him and what happened then?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the officer, I heard him say, "Here he is." And during the proceeding of that, I guess about 5 or 10 seconds later, there was another--I think it was two officers, or one, passed me and ran down there to him.
Mr. BALL - Did you see a gun? (Leading question)
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.
Mr. BALL - Then did you see a gun? (Leading and repitive question)
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; but only--there was one gun. The pistol. It came into view before any of the other officers got there.
Mr. BALL - That is what I mean. What do you say happened about that? Who pulled a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, anyhow, the officer was facing this way [indicating] and Oswald was facing this way [indicating]. And then the gun was pointed out that way [indicating].
Notice how Applin said that he didn't notice the pistol UNTIL four or five police officers got to him. He would say that he assumed that it was LHO that pulled the pistol, but based on what he said it couldn't have been.
Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN – I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
This couldn't have been LHO pulling the pistol since even the WC said that he was wearing a long-sleeved shirt (CE 150). It is more likely that it was a police car as N.M. McDonald told the local media that he had his gun drawn as he approached LHO!
When this failed they were left with one option -- transfer time!