Post by Rob Caprio on Apr 18, 2022 14:30:26 GMT -5
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Why did the WC NOT move Jack Ruby to Washington, D.C. when he said twice he could NOT tell the truth in Dallas?
In his WC testimony he began by saying this to them.
Mr. RUBY. Without a lie detector test on my testimony, my verbal statements to you, how do you know if I am telling the truth?
Mr. TONAHILL. Don't worry about that, Jack.
Don’t worry about that? What? Why would the possibility of him lying NOT be something to worry about? He went on to say this.
Chief Justice WARREN. You wanted to ask something, did you, Mr. Ruby?
Mr. RUBY. I would like to be able to get a lie detector test or truth serum of what motivated me to do what I did at that particular time, and it seems as you get further into something, even though you know what you did, it operates against you somehow, brainwashes you, that you are weak in what you want to tell the truth about and what you want to say which is the truth.
Now Mr. Warren, I don't know if you got any confidence in the lie detector test and the truth serum, and so on.
Chief Justice WARREN. I can't tell you just how much confidence I have in it, because it depends so much on who is taking it, and so forth.
But I will say this to you, that if you and your counsel want any kind of test, I will arrange it for you. I would be glad to do that, if you want it.
I wouldn't suggest a lie detector test to testify the truth. We will treat you just the same as we do any other witness, but if you want such a test, I will arrange for it.
Mr. RUBY. I do want it. Will you agree to that, Joe?
Mr. TONAHILL. I sure do, Jack.
Does anyone know if any actual truth test was done on Jack Ruby to see if he told the truth? He did swear that what he said to a point was the truth here.
Chief Justice WARREN. Now will you please state whether the things you have just told us are true under your oath?
Mr. RUBY. I do so state they are the truth.
But then on page 194 we see this comment by him regarding what he can say while in Dallas.
Mr. DECKER. Jack, this is your attorney [Joe Tonahill]. That is your lawyer.
Mr. RUBY. He is not my lawyer.
(Sheriff Decker and law enforcement officers left room.)
Gentleman, if you want to hear any further testimony, you will have to get me to Washington soon, because it has something to do with you, Chief Warren. Do I sound sober enough to tell you this?
Chief Justice WARREN. Yes; go right ahead.
Mr. RUBY. I want to tell the truth, and I can't tell it here. I can't tell it here. Does that make sense to you? (V, p. 194)
On page 196 of his testimony he will say the same thing again.
Mr. RUBY. Gentlemen, my life is in danger here. Not with my guilty plea of execution. Do I sound sober enough to you as I say this?
Chief Justice WARREN. You do. You sound entirely sober.
Mr. RUBY. From the moment I started my testimony, have I sounded as though, with the exception of becoming emotional, have I sounded as though I made sense, what I was speaking about?
Chief Justice WARREN. You have indeed. I understood everything you have said. If I haven't, it is my fault.
Mr. RUBY. Then I follow this up. I may not live tomorrow to give any further testimony. The reason why I add this to this, since you assure me that I have been speaking sense by then, I might be speaking sense by following what I have said, and the only thing I want to get out to the public, and I can't say it here, is with authenticity, with sincerity of the truth of everything and why my act was committed, but it can't be said here.
It can be said, it's got to be said amongst people of the highest authority that would give me the benefit of doubt. And following that, immediately give me the lie detector test after I do make the statement.
Chairman Warren, if you felt that your life was in danger at the moment, how would you feel? Wouldn't you be reluctant to go on speaking, even though you request me to do so?
Mr. RUBY. You said you have the power to do what you want to do is that correct?
Chief Justice WARREN. Exactly.
Mr. RUBY. Without any limitations?
Chief Justice WARREN. Within the purview of the Executive order which established the Commission. We have the right to take testimony of anyone we want in this whole situation, and we have the right, if we so choose to do it, to verify that statement in any way that we wish to do it.
Mr. RUBY. But you don't have a right to take a prisoner back with you when you want to?
Chief Justice WARREN. No; we have the power to subpena witnesses to Washington if we want to do it, but we have taken the testimony of 200 or 300 people, I would imagine, here in Dallas without going to Washington. (V, p. 196)
Why would they NOT take Jack Ruby to Washington. He even said this and Warren agreed with him.
Mr. RUBY. Yes; but those people aren't Jack Ruby.
Chief Justice WARREN. No; they weren't.
With LHO dead Jack Ruby was one of the most important witnesses left and the WC refused to take him to Washington, D.C. when he said he COULD NOT tell the truth of why he did what he did in Dallas. Does this sound like they were interested in the truth to you?
Why they did NOT grant him his wish for the sake of the truth?
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Why did the WC NOT move Jack Ruby to Washington, D.C. when he said twice he could NOT tell the truth in Dallas?
In his WC testimony he began by saying this to them.
Mr. RUBY. Without a lie detector test on my testimony, my verbal statements to you, how do you know if I am telling the truth?
Mr. TONAHILL. Don't worry about that, Jack.
Don’t worry about that? What? Why would the possibility of him lying NOT be something to worry about? He went on to say this.
Chief Justice WARREN. You wanted to ask something, did you, Mr. Ruby?
Mr. RUBY. I would like to be able to get a lie detector test or truth serum of what motivated me to do what I did at that particular time, and it seems as you get further into something, even though you know what you did, it operates against you somehow, brainwashes you, that you are weak in what you want to tell the truth about and what you want to say which is the truth.
Now Mr. Warren, I don't know if you got any confidence in the lie detector test and the truth serum, and so on.
Chief Justice WARREN. I can't tell you just how much confidence I have in it, because it depends so much on who is taking it, and so forth.
But I will say this to you, that if you and your counsel want any kind of test, I will arrange it for you. I would be glad to do that, if you want it.
I wouldn't suggest a lie detector test to testify the truth. We will treat you just the same as we do any other witness, but if you want such a test, I will arrange for it.
Mr. RUBY. I do want it. Will you agree to that, Joe?
Mr. TONAHILL. I sure do, Jack.
Does anyone know if any actual truth test was done on Jack Ruby to see if he told the truth? He did swear that what he said to a point was the truth here.
Chief Justice WARREN. Now will you please state whether the things you have just told us are true under your oath?
Mr. RUBY. I do so state they are the truth.
But then on page 194 we see this comment by him regarding what he can say while in Dallas.
Mr. DECKER. Jack, this is your attorney [Joe Tonahill]. That is your lawyer.
Mr. RUBY. He is not my lawyer.
(Sheriff Decker and law enforcement officers left room.)
Gentleman, if you want to hear any further testimony, you will have to get me to Washington soon, because it has something to do with you, Chief Warren. Do I sound sober enough to tell you this?
Chief Justice WARREN. Yes; go right ahead.
Mr. RUBY. I want to tell the truth, and I can't tell it here. I can't tell it here. Does that make sense to you? (V, p. 194)
On page 196 of his testimony he will say the same thing again.
Mr. RUBY. Gentlemen, my life is in danger here. Not with my guilty plea of execution. Do I sound sober enough to you as I say this?
Chief Justice WARREN. You do. You sound entirely sober.
Mr. RUBY. From the moment I started my testimony, have I sounded as though, with the exception of becoming emotional, have I sounded as though I made sense, what I was speaking about?
Chief Justice WARREN. You have indeed. I understood everything you have said. If I haven't, it is my fault.
Mr. RUBY. Then I follow this up. I may not live tomorrow to give any further testimony. The reason why I add this to this, since you assure me that I have been speaking sense by then, I might be speaking sense by following what I have said, and the only thing I want to get out to the public, and I can't say it here, is with authenticity, with sincerity of the truth of everything and why my act was committed, but it can't be said here.
It can be said, it's got to be said amongst people of the highest authority that would give me the benefit of doubt. And following that, immediately give me the lie detector test after I do make the statement.
Chairman Warren, if you felt that your life was in danger at the moment, how would you feel? Wouldn't you be reluctant to go on speaking, even though you request me to do so?
Mr. RUBY. You said you have the power to do what you want to do is that correct?
Chief Justice WARREN. Exactly.
Mr. RUBY. Without any limitations?
Chief Justice WARREN. Within the purview of the Executive order which established the Commission. We have the right to take testimony of anyone we want in this whole situation, and we have the right, if we so choose to do it, to verify that statement in any way that we wish to do it.
Mr. RUBY. But you don't have a right to take a prisoner back with you when you want to?
Chief Justice WARREN. No; we have the power to subpena witnesses to Washington if we want to do it, but we have taken the testimony of 200 or 300 people, I would imagine, here in Dallas without going to Washington. (V, p. 196)
Why would they NOT take Jack Ruby to Washington. He even said this and Warren agreed with him.
Mr. RUBY. Yes; but those people aren't Jack Ruby.
Chief Justice WARREN. No; they weren't.
With LHO dead Jack Ruby was one of the most important witnesses left and the WC refused to take him to Washington, D.C. when he said he COULD NOT tell the truth of why he did what he did in Dallas. Does this sound like they were interested in the truth to you?
Why they did NOT grant him his wish for the sake of the truth?