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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed Jack Ruby was at the Dallas Morning News (DMN) until 12:40 p.m. on 11/22/63. They stated that witnesses that claimed to see Ruby in Dealey Plaza (DP) were incorrect.
Let’s look and see for ourselves.
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In Commission Exhibit (CE) 2405 we will see a transcript from the Jack Ruby trial that pertains to witness Don Campbell. This is the man the WC claimed last saw Ruby at the DMN when he was seen around 12:25 p.m. We learn the DMN is at the corner of Young and Houston Sts. This location was about two-three blocks from DP, and this was a distance someone could walk to quite quickly if they wanted to.
Campbell testified to knowing Jack Ruby for about four years by the time of the assassination so he was qualified to being able to recognize him. On page 385 (17 of the transcript) he says he saw Ruby around 12:00 p.m. on the day of the assassination in the advertising department. This department was located on the second floor of the DMN building. He testified to speaking with Ruby about advertising for his club from about noon to 12:25 p.m. Campbell will say he does not recall seeing Ruby around 2:00 p.m. when he himself returned to the DMN building (he left after their discussion). He admits you can see the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) from four windows on the second floor of the DMN building.
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Campbell will testify Ruby was sitting at the desk of John Newnam when he left the building after their discussion ended at 12:25 p.m. Newnam would say he saw Jack Ruby at 12:40 during his testimony before the WC.
Mr. HUBERT. Could you tell us what time it was you first saw Ruby on that day ?
Mr. NEWNAM. It was approximately 12:40.
Newnam’s timeframe looked like this.
Mr. HUBERT. Approximately what time do you think you saw the President pass?
Mr. NEWNAM. I would say approximately 12--it must have been about 12:25 or possibly 12:26.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you leave your position on Austin and Main and proceed to walk back to the Dallas Morning News Building, immediately after the President himself had passed in the motorcade?
Mr. NEWNAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And you walked the 7 blocks or so?
Mr. NEWNAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. When you got there, was Ruby on the second floor of the Dallas Morning News?
Mr. NEWNAM. Yes; he was.
This shows us he walked the seven blocks in about 15 minutes. This means from the time Campbell left him at 12:25 p.m. to the time Newnam saw him at 12:40 p.m. there are NO witnesses inside the DMN to say Ruby was there. This still seems credible, but we have to consider Jack Ruby’s sister testimony. She said this before the WC.
Mr. BURLESON. Now, on the record. On page 2, Mrs. Grant, are there some changes or revisions that you might want to make in connection with that? I direct your attention specifically to this statement, "He informed that early Thursday morning, November 21, 1963, Jack Ruby, as was his custom, placed advertisements in both Dallas papers concerning the entertainment to be offered at the Carousel and Vegas nightclubs, Dallas, Texas, which clubs he had an interest in." Now, in reference to that, what do you want to add in reference to that? Was that actually the morning of the 22d after midnight of the 21st?
Mrs. GRANT. Well, there are many weeks out of the year he would go in on--which is Friday morning after 2:30 in the morning and it seemed to me this was an unusual week. I have been away from the Vegas Club which I usually take care of, but he went to the Vegas Club to pick up money and he was on the phone half of the night, he said, calling for a band.
Mr. BURLESON. But this date----
Mrs. GRANT. So, he never got that--that's the wrong date.
Mr. BURLESON. That date really should be early Friday morning, November 22, 1963?
Mrs. GRANT. Yes.
Why was Jack Ruby at the DMN in the late morning early afternoon IF it was his “custom” to place his ads in the “early morning hours” of the previous night? Could this have been for cover? Or was he not there as claimed?
There are witnesses that were in DP though that said they saw Ruby. Like Victoria Adams.
Mr. BELIN - That is helpful information. Is there any other information you have that could be relevant?
Miss ADAMS - There was a man that was standing on the corner of Houston and Elm asking questions there. He was dressed in a suit and a hat, and when I encountered Avery Davis going down, we asked who he was, because he was questioning people as if he were a police officer, and we noticed him take a colored boy away on a motorcycle, and this man was asking questions very efficaciously, and we said, "I guess he is maybe a reporter," and later on on television, there was a man that looked very similar to him, and he was identified as Ruby.
And on questioning some police officer, they said they had witnesses to the fact that he was in the Dallas Morning News at the time. And I don't know whether that is relevant or what.
Mr. BELIN - That is all right, we want to get that information down. Was this before you got back in the front door of the building that you saw this?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir; while I was standing by the motorcycles.
Was this Ruby? He seemed to be dressed like Ruby dressed and he seemed to be acting like Ruby would act. It would be nice to get Avery Davis’ point of view, but the WC did NOT call her. All we have is this from the DPD records—it was an interview done with her on 2/18/64.
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Mrs. Davis did look out the window of the fourth floor after she went back to work. She saw a group of officers on the sidewalk talking to some people. She states there was a man about the size of Ruby with them, but she was looking straight down and didn’t see his face, so she thinks it was probably an officer. (Commission Document (CD) 7, p. 23)
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Why would she mention Ruby at all then? Jean Hill was another witness who said they thought they saw Jack Ruby in DP.
Mr. SPECTER - And where did you see him going?
Mrs. HILL - I saw him go toward the tracks, toward the railroad tracks to the west?
Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe about that man, if anything?
Mrs. HILL - That he just had on a brown overcoat and a hat.
Mr. SPECTER - Why was your attention attracted to him?
Mrs. HILL - Because he was the only thing moving up there. The other people were all grief stricken and standing there and I don't know what I would have done with 'him when I got up there, but I don't know why I even had the instinct to run, and I don't know that it is anything even connected with this, but since I had already---I have told it and it is part of my recollection, I am just stating it again.
Mr. SPECTER - Well, was there anything about the man that attracted your attention to him beside the fact that he was moving?
Mrs. HILL - I just thought at the time that's the man that did it.
Mr. SPECTER - How tall was he?
Mrs. HILL - He wasn't very tall.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he more than 5 feet tall, or can you give me any meaningful description of him?
Mrs. HILL - Well, yes; but I don't want to.
Mr. SPECTER - Why is that?
Mrs. HILL - Well, because I had told several people and I also said it that day down there and the person that I described, and I am fully aware that his whereabouts have been known at all times, and that it seems that I am merely using a figure and converting it to my story, but the person that I saw looked a lot like---I would say the general build as I would think Jack Ruby would from that position. But I have talked with the FBI about this and I told them I realized that his whereabouts had been covered at all times and of course I didn't---at that time I didn't realize that the shots were coming from the building. I frankly thought they were coming from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - His height you said was about the height of Jack Ruby?
Mrs. HILL - That's right.
Mr. SPECTER - How about his weight?
Mrs. HILL - That's the only thing---I would say--he certainly wasn't any bigger than Jack Ruby.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he smaller than Jack Ruby?
Mrs. HILL - He could have been smaller.
Mr. SPECTER - How about---as he wearing a hat?
Mrs. HILL - Yes; I said he was wearing a hat.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he wearing a top coat?
Mrs. HILL - Yes; an overcoat.
Mr. SPECTER - Can you give me an estimate of his age?
Mrs. HILL - I would say the man was middle aged, or say. I would say 40.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he a white man or a Negro?
Mrs. HILL - He was a white man.
Mr. SPECTER - Can you describe him in any other way to me?
Mrs. HILL - No; I can't.
Mr. SPECTER - Do you think he was, in fact, Jack Ruby?
Mrs. HILL - That, I don't know.
She certainly did NOT say it was Ruby for sure, but she certainly felt it could have been Ruby. We also have this comment by Malcolm Couch, a cameraman for WFAA-TV.
Mr. BELIN - Have you ever met Jack Ruby?
Mr. COUCH - No.
Mr. BELIN - There is an FBI report that states that you had heard hearsay statements that someone had seen Jack Ruby emerge from the rear of the Texas School Book Depository Building around that time. Did anyone ever tell you that?
Mr. COUCH - Yes. Uh - where I first heard it, I could not now recall; but - uh - the story went that - uh -Wes Wise, who works for KRLD –
Mr. BELIN - TV.
Mr. COUCH - Yes - saw him moments after the shooting - how many moments, I don't know - 5 minutes, 10 minutes - coming around the side of the building, coming around the east side going south, I presume.
A good way to see if it was just hearsay or not would have been to call Wes Wise, but the WC did NOT see fit to do this. Why?
Another witness who said he saw Ruby in DP was Phillip Willis. He was NEVER called by the WC and one has to wonder why? He did go on record with Marvin Garson on 11/17/64. In the interview he said this about seeing Ruby.
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It looks so much like him, it’s pitiful. When I saw him in the courtroom and all, my God, it looked just like him.
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He would tell Garson that the FBI noticed this FIRST as they mentioned it TO HIM. When the WC published the photograph in question (Willis exhibit 1—slide #8) they would crop it in such a manner that the man who looked just like Ruby would be gone. Here it is.
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There appears to be a man on the left side of the frame wearing a hat, but now his face is fully gone. Why would the WC do this IF it was NOT Ruby as the FBI and Willis thought? Here is an interesting overview of the slides too.
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Another strange incident that makes you wonder IF Ruby was NOT tied to the events of 11/22/63 more closely came from the mother of LHO—Marguerite Oswald. She had always said the FBI came to hotel room her and Marina were being kept in on the night of 11/23/63 and she was shown a photo of a man to see if she recognized him. Here is what she said.
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He had a picture coupled (sic) inside his hand and he asked me if I had ever seen this man before. I told him, "No sir, believe me, I never have." Then he left. A few days later, I walked into the room where I was staying and, in front of my son Robert and a lot of witnesses, I picked up a paper and when I turned it over I said, "This is the picture of the man the FBI agent showed me." I did not even know at the time he was the man who shot my son. I was told the picture was (of) Jack Ruby. -- Marguerite Oswald to Jim Marrs
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When told of this FBI officials called it speculation or confusion as to the date she was shown the photograph, but on 7/10/64 FBI Agent Bardwell D. Odom signed an affidavit for the Warren Commission that he had shown the picture to Mrs. Oswald. He would say the photo was furnished to him by his superiors at the FBI, and that they had gotten it from the CIA. Why would the CIA have a photo of Ruby on the night of 11/23/63? Why were the FBI showing a photograph of Ruby to Marguerite Oswald on the night of 11/23/63 (THE NIGHT BEFORE HE WOULD SHOOT HER SON) IF they did NOT think he was involved in the JFK murder in some way?
Here is another incident that could show Jack Ruby was in DP and involved in the murder of JFK. I posted this in January 2009 on ACJ.
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Jack Ruby of all people acquitted LHO although you wouldn't know it since our government and mainstream media have given it NO coverage at all. It occurred during the visit of Chief Justice Warren and Gerald Ford to Dallas to interview Ruby. We all have seen some of the filmed Ruby interview he did before the media, but this comment occurred in private.
During one of his rambling answers he said this, “At this moment, Lee Harvey Oswald ISN’T GUILTY OF COMMITTING THE CRIME OF ASSASSINATING PRESIDENT KENNEDY. Jack Ruby IS.” (Emphasis mine)
Here it seems Ruby is admitting he was involved in the shooting of JFK and there is evidence indicating he was in DP at the time of the shooting as well as sightings of him shortly before and after the event. Ruby would telephone a friend and asked if he would “like to watch fireworks”, unfortunately for Ruby, this “friend” worked for the criminal intelligence division of the IRS. This phone call would seem to confirm Ruby’s foreknowledge of the event that was about to happen.
But back to his comment. It seems to me Ruby is saying LHO was innocent of shooting JFK, and that he was involved in the actual shooting. Note the "at this moment" comment as he was probably eluding to the fact LHO would be railroaded later on and claimed to be the killer.
Who would know better than Ruby who has his tentacles ALL OVER THIS CASE??
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It is a tough call at this point to say Ruby was NOT at the DMN as he claimed, but consider these movements by him over the weekend that the WC told us about and then tell me he was NOT up to something. I posted these back in December 2007 on ACJ.
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Of course it is when you leave out so many aspects of the movements over the weekend. The night of the assassination, Ruby, along with Senator, was directed to meet his employee, Larry Crafard at 5 a.m. in the Dallas garage. The three men talked for about an hour (as witnessed by the people working there) and then they drove Crafard to the Carousel. Later that morning, Crafard left Dallas suddenly and mysteriously. He hitchhiked to a remote part of Michigan with just $7 dollars on him, and eventually was picked up by the FBI a few daysafter Ruby shot LHO. Crafard never reported what he might know to the authorities when hearing of the shooting.
Ruby went home after dropping Crafard off and got some sleep. A few hours later Ruby drove back to downtown Dallas and returned to the same garage he had met Crafard in earlier in the morning. The general manager and the attendant heard Ruby making phone calls. The attendant, Tom Brown, told the FBI that "he overheard Ruby inform the other party to the conversation as to the whereabouts of Chief of Police Curry." Subsequently, the general manager, Garnett C. Hallmark, heard Ruby discuss the transfer of LHO and tell the recipient of the call, "You know I will be there." (XV, 488-489, 491-492)
He then went to Dealey Plaza around 3 p.m. where he surveyed the assassination site. A Dallas television reporter there told the FBI that he had observed Ruby approaching him, "from the rear of the TSBD." The WC failed to call this reporter and showed no curiosity as to why Ruby might have been behind the building, where the railroad yards are located. Instead the WC said Ruby had inspected memorial wreaths and became "filled with emotions." (XXVI, 346)
On Saturday evening, November 23, a witness, Wenda Helmick, overheard a telephone conversation between Ruby and his business associate, Ralph Paul. The WC will make it very hard to find her testimony, because when you look up Wenda Helmick in the index, you find "See Sweat, Wanda", which does not exist. Here is her testimony before the WC:
Q. Was Ralph Paul there at the booth with you?
Helmick: No, he was behind the counter, and Rose (the cashier) got up and went back there to do something, and she started talking to him, and the telphone rang, and she said, "It is for you. It is Jack." So he took the phone and he had been talking quite awhile, and he said something. He either said, "Are you crazy? A gun?" or something like hat or he said something about a gun. Then he said, "Are you crazy?" But he did say something about a gun, and he asked him if he was crazy. (XV, 399)
The major reason I give this any credence is BECAUSE the WC tried to bury it. Helmick went on to say, that Paul left shortly after this call and the next day after the shooting, Paul was "popping off about this telephone call he had that night, and he told us he had talked with Jack and that they had talked about a gun, and that he had it in a dresser drawer or something like that, and that he didn't tell what he was going to do with it." (XXI, 431; XIV, 245, 253, 303)
The WC would eventually find that Ruby was too "moody and unstable" to have "encouraged the confidence of persons involved in a conspiracy." (XIV, 253) As Mark Lane pointed out in "Rush to Judgment", this was "absurd to suggest that Ruby's personality exonerated him from conspiracy - as if the Commission would accept only a more responsible and qualified person for the role." (p. 271)
Throw in all the "stalking" Ruby did of LHO over the weekend and one can see this was not act of emotion. Also, as pointed out earlier, Ruby did make calls to the DPD warning them LHO would be shot if they moved him, as the cop who took the call later said the voice was familiar, and after the shooting, he matched it to Ruby's. Senator is useless as a witness when you consider that the other three people in Ruby's apartment that day prior to the shooting wound up dead (Bill Hunter, Jim Keothe, and Tom Howard), so it is obvious to me to assume one of two things, either Senator was involved in some small way or he was scared so much he lied through his teeth.
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I think that Ruby could have gotten to DP and back by the time Newnam saw him. I think his recorded call to his “friend” (who really worked for the IRS) shows Ruby had advanced notice of the assassination too.
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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed Jack Ruby was at the Dallas Morning News (DMN) until 12:40 p.m. on 11/22/63. They stated that witnesses that claimed to see Ruby in Dealey Plaza (DP) were incorrect.
Let’s look and see for ourselves.
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In Commission Exhibit (CE) 2405 we will see a transcript from the Jack Ruby trial that pertains to witness Don Campbell. This is the man the WC claimed last saw Ruby at the DMN when he was seen around 12:25 p.m. We learn the DMN is at the corner of Young and Houston Sts. This location was about two-three blocks from DP, and this was a distance someone could walk to quite quickly if they wanted to.
Campbell testified to knowing Jack Ruby for about four years by the time of the assassination so he was qualified to being able to recognize him. On page 385 (17 of the transcript) he says he saw Ruby around 12:00 p.m. on the day of the assassination in the advertising department. This department was located on the second floor of the DMN building. He testified to speaking with Ruby about advertising for his club from about noon to 12:25 p.m. Campbell will say he does not recall seeing Ruby around 2:00 p.m. when he himself returned to the DMN building (he left after their discussion). He admits you can see the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) from four windows on the second floor of the DMN building.
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Campbell will testify Ruby was sitting at the desk of John Newnam when he left the building after their discussion ended at 12:25 p.m. Newnam would say he saw Jack Ruby at 12:40 during his testimony before the WC.
Mr. HUBERT. Could you tell us what time it was you first saw Ruby on that day ?
Mr. NEWNAM. It was approximately 12:40.
Newnam’s timeframe looked like this.
Mr. HUBERT. Approximately what time do you think you saw the President pass?
Mr. NEWNAM. I would say approximately 12--it must have been about 12:25 or possibly 12:26.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you leave your position on Austin and Main and proceed to walk back to the Dallas Morning News Building, immediately after the President himself had passed in the motorcade?
Mr. NEWNAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. And you walked the 7 blocks or so?
Mr. NEWNAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. When you got there, was Ruby on the second floor of the Dallas Morning News?
Mr. NEWNAM. Yes; he was.
This shows us he walked the seven blocks in about 15 minutes. This means from the time Campbell left him at 12:25 p.m. to the time Newnam saw him at 12:40 p.m. there are NO witnesses inside the DMN to say Ruby was there. This still seems credible, but we have to consider Jack Ruby’s sister testimony. She said this before the WC.
Mr. BURLESON. Now, on the record. On page 2, Mrs. Grant, are there some changes or revisions that you might want to make in connection with that? I direct your attention specifically to this statement, "He informed that early Thursday morning, November 21, 1963, Jack Ruby, as was his custom, placed advertisements in both Dallas papers concerning the entertainment to be offered at the Carousel and Vegas nightclubs, Dallas, Texas, which clubs he had an interest in." Now, in reference to that, what do you want to add in reference to that? Was that actually the morning of the 22d after midnight of the 21st?
Mrs. GRANT. Well, there are many weeks out of the year he would go in on--which is Friday morning after 2:30 in the morning and it seemed to me this was an unusual week. I have been away from the Vegas Club which I usually take care of, but he went to the Vegas Club to pick up money and he was on the phone half of the night, he said, calling for a band.
Mr. BURLESON. But this date----
Mrs. GRANT. So, he never got that--that's the wrong date.
Mr. BURLESON. That date really should be early Friday morning, November 22, 1963?
Mrs. GRANT. Yes.
Why was Jack Ruby at the DMN in the late morning early afternoon IF it was his “custom” to place his ads in the “early morning hours” of the previous night? Could this have been for cover? Or was he not there as claimed?
There are witnesses that were in DP though that said they saw Ruby. Like Victoria Adams.
Mr. BELIN - That is helpful information. Is there any other information you have that could be relevant?
Miss ADAMS - There was a man that was standing on the corner of Houston and Elm asking questions there. He was dressed in a suit and a hat, and when I encountered Avery Davis going down, we asked who he was, because he was questioning people as if he were a police officer, and we noticed him take a colored boy away on a motorcycle, and this man was asking questions very efficaciously, and we said, "I guess he is maybe a reporter," and later on on television, there was a man that looked very similar to him, and he was identified as Ruby.
And on questioning some police officer, they said they had witnesses to the fact that he was in the Dallas Morning News at the time. And I don't know whether that is relevant or what.
Mr. BELIN - That is all right, we want to get that information down. Was this before you got back in the front door of the building that you saw this?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir; while I was standing by the motorcycles.
Was this Ruby? He seemed to be dressed like Ruby dressed and he seemed to be acting like Ruby would act. It would be nice to get Avery Davis’ point of view, but the WC did NOT call her. All we have is this from the DPD records—it was an interview done with her on 2/18/64.
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Mrs. Davis did look out the window of the fourth floor after she went back to work. She saw a group of officers on the sidewalk talking to some people. She states there was a man about the size of Ruby with them, but she was looking straight down and didn’t see his face, so she thinks it was probably an officer. (Commission Document (CD) 7, p. 23)
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Why would she mention Ruby at all then? Jean Hill was another witness who said they thought they saw Jack Ruby in DP.
Mr. SPECTER - And where did you see him going?
Mrs. HILL - I saw him go toward the tracks, toward the railroad tracks to the west?
Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe about that man, if anything?
Mrs. HILL - That he just had on a brown overcoat and a hat.
Mr. SPECTER - Why was your attention attracted to him?
Mrs. HILL - Because he was the only thing moving up there. The other people were all grief stricken and standing there and I don't know what I would have done with 'him when I got up there, but I don't know why I even had the instinct to run, and I don't know that it is anything even connected with this, but since I had already---I have told it and it is part of my recollection, I am just stating it again.
Mr. SPECTER - Well, was there anything about the man that attracted your attention to him beside the fact that he was moving?
Mrs. HILL - I just thought at the time that's the man that did it.
Mr. SPECTER - How tall was he?
Mrs. HILL - He wasn't very tall.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he more than 5 feet tall, or can you give me any meaningful description of him?
Mrs. HILL - Well, yes; but I don't want to.
Mr. SPECTER - Why is that?
Mrs. HILL - Well, because I had told several people and I also said it that day down there and the person that I described, and I am fully aware that his whereabouts have been known at all times, and that it seems that I am merely using a figure and converting it to my story, but the person that I saw looked a lot like---I would say the general build as I would think Jack Ruby would from that position. But I have talked with the FBI about this and I told them I realized that his whereabouts had been covered at all times and of course I didn't---at that time I didn't realize that the shots were coming from the building. I frankly thought they were coming from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - His height you said was about the height of Jack Ruby?
Mrs. HILL - That's right.
Mr. SPECTER - How about his weight?
Mrs. HILL - That's the only thing---I would say--he certainly wasn't any bigger than Jack Ruby.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he smaller than Jack Ruby?
Mrs. HILL - He could have been smaller.
Mr. SPECTER - How about---as he wearing a hat?
Mrs. HILL - Yes; I said he was wearing a hat.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he wearing a top coat?
Mrs. HILL - Yes; an overcoat.
Mr. SPECTER - Can you give me an estimate of his age?
Mrs. HILL - I would say the man was middle aged, or say. I would say 40.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he a white man or a Negro?
Mrs. HILL - He was a white man.
Mr. SPECTER - Can you describe him in any other way to me?
Mrs. HILL - No; I can't.
Mr. SPECTER - Do you think he was, in fact, Jack Ruby?
Mrs. HILL - That, I don't know.
She certainly did NOT say it was Ruby for sure, but she certainly felt it could have been Ruby. We also have this comment by Malcolm Couch, a cameraman for WFAA-TV.
Mr. BELIN - Have you ever met Jack Ruby?
Mr. COUCH - No.
Mr. BELIN - There is an FBI report that states that you had heard hearsay statements that someone had seen Jack Ruby emerge from the rear of the Texas School Book Depository Building around that time. Did anyone ever tell you that?
Mr. COUCH - Yes. Uh - where I first heard it, I could not now recall; but - uh - the story went that - uh -Wes Wise, who works for KRLD –
Mr. BELIN - TV.
Mr. COUCH - Yes - saw him moments after the shooting - how many moments, I don't know - 5 minutes, 10 minutes - coming around the side of the building, coming around the east side going south, I presume.
A good way to see if it was just hearsay or not would have been to call Wes Wise, but the WC did NOT see fit to do this. Why?
Another witness who said he saw Ruby in DP was Phillip Willis. He was NEVER called by the WC and one has to wonder why? He did go on record with Marvin Garson on 11/17/64. In the interview he said this about seeing Ruby.
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It looks so much like him, it’s pitiful. When I saw him in the courtroom and all, my God, it looked just like him.
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He would tell Garson that the FBI noticed this FIRST as they mentioned it TO HIM. When the WC published the photograph in question (Willis exhibit 1—slide #8) they would crop it in such a manner that the man who looked just like Ruby would be gone. Here it is.
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There appears to be a man on the left side of the frame wearing a hat, but now his face is fully gone. Why would the WC do this IF it was NOT Ruby as the FBI and Willis thought? Here is an interesting overview of the slides too.
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Another strange incident that makes you wonder IF Ruby was NOT tied to the events of 11/22/63 more closely came from the mother of LHO—Marguerite Oswald. She had always said the FBI came to hotel room her and Marina were being kept in on the night of 11/23/63 and she was shown a photo of a man to see if she recognized him. Here is what she said.
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He had a picture coupled (sic) inside his hand and he asked me if I had ever seen this man before. I told him, "No sir, believe me, I never have." Then he left. A few days later, I walked into the room where I was staying and, in front of my son Robert and a lot of witnesses, I picked up a paper and when I turned it over I said, "This is the picture of the man the FBI agent showed me." I did not even know at the time he was the man who shot my son. I was told the picture was (of) Jack Ruby. -- Marguerite Oswald to Jim Marrs
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When told of this FBI officials called it speculation or confusion as to the date she was shown the photograph, but on 7/10/64 FBI Agent Bardwell D. Odom signed an affidavit for the Warren Commission that he had shown the picture to Mrs. Oswald. He would say the photo was furnished to him by his superiors at the FBI, and that they had gotten it from the CIA. Why would the CIA have a photo of Ruby on the night of 11/23/63? Why were the FBI showing a photograph of Ruby to Marguerite Oswald on the night of 11/23/63 (THE NIGHT BEFORE HE WOULD SHOOT HER SON) IF they did NOT think he was involved in the JFK murder in some way?
Here is another incident that could show Jack Ruby was in DP and involved in the murder of JFK. I posted this in January 2009 on ACJ.
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Jack Ruby of all people acquitted LHO although you wouldn't know it since our government and mainstream media have given it NO coverage at all. It occurred during the visit of Chief Justice Warren and Gerald Ford to Dallas to interview Ruby. We all have seen some of the filmed Ruby interview he did before the media, but this comment occurred in private.
During one of his rambling answers he said this, “At this moment, Lee Harvey Oswald ISN’T GUILTY OF COMMITTING THE CRIME OF ASSASSINATING PRESIDENT KENNEDY. Jack Ruby IS.” (Emphasis mine)
Here it seems Ruby is admitting he was involved in the shooting of JFK and there is evidence indicating he was in DP at the time of the shooting as well as sightings of him shortly before and after the event. Ruby would telephone a friend and asked if he would “like to watch fireworks”, unfortunately for Ruby, this “friend” worked for the criminal intelligence division of the IRS. This phone call would seem to confirm Ruby’s foreknowledge of the event that was about to happen.
But back to his comment. It seems to me Ruby is saying LHO was innocent of shooting JFK, and that he was involved in the actual shooting. Note the "at this moment" comment as he was probably eluding to the fact LHO would be railroaded later on and claimed to be the killer.
Who would know better than Ruby who has his tentacles ALL OVER THIS CASE??
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It is a tough call at this point to say Ruby was NOT at the DMN as he claimed, but consider these movements by him over the weekend that the WC told us about and then tell me he was NOT up to something. I posted these back in December 2007 on ACJ.
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Of course it is when you leave out so many aspects of the movements over the weekend. The night of the assassination, Ruby, along with Senator, was directed to meet his employee, Larry Crafard at 5 a.m. in the Dallas garage. The three men talked for about an hour (as witnessed by the people working there) and then they drove Crafard to the Carousel. Later that morning, Crafard left Dallas suddenly and mysteriously. He hitchhiked to a remote part of Michigan with just $7 dollars on him, and eventually was picked up by the FBI a few daysafter Ruby shot LHO. Crafard never reported what he might know to the authorities when hearing of the shooting.
Ruby went home after dropping Crafard off and got some sleep. A few hours later Ruby drove back to downtown Dallas and returned to the same garage he had met Crafard in earlier in the morning. The general manager and the attendant heard Ruby making phone calls. The attendant, Tom Brown, told the FBI that "he overheard Ruby inform the other party to the conversation as to the whereabouts of Chief of Police Curry." Subsequently, the general manager, Garnett C. Hallmark, heard Ruby discuss the transfer of LHO and tell the recipient of the call, "You know I will be there." (XV, 488-489, 491-492)
He then went to Dealey Plaza around 3 p.m. where he surveyed the assassination site. A Dallas television reporter there told the FBI that he had observed Ruby approaching him, "from the rear of the TSBD." The WC failed to call this reporter and showed no curiosity as to why Ruby might have been behind the building, where the railroad yards are located. Instead the WC said Ruby had inspected memorial wreaths and became "filled with emotions." (XXVI, 346)
On Saturday evening, November 23, a witness, Wenda Helmick, overheard a telephone conversation between Ruby and his business associate, Ralph Paul. The WC will make it very hard to find her testimony, because when you look up Wenda Helmick in the index, you find "See Sweat, Wanda", which does not exist. Here is her testimony before the WC:
Q. Was Ralph Paul there at the booth with you?
Helmick: No, he was behind the counter, and Rose (the cashier) got up and went back there to do something, and she started talking to him, and the telphone rang, and she said, "It is for you. It is Jack." So he took the phone and he had been talking quite awhile, and he said something. He either said, "Are you crazy? A gun?" or something like hat or he said something about a gun. Then he said, "Are you crazy?" But he did say something about a gun, and he asked him if he was crazy. (XV, 399)
The major reason I give this any credence is BECAUSE the WC tried to bury it. Helmick went on to say, that Paul left shortly after this call and the next day after the shooting, Paul was "popping off about this telephone call he had that night, and he told us he had talked with Jack and that they had talked about a gun, and that he had it in a dresser drawer or something like that, and that he didn't tell what he was going to do with it." (XXI, 431; XIV, 245, 253, 303)
The WC would eventually find that Ruby was too "moody and unstable" to have "encouraged the confidence of persons involved in a conspiracy." (XIV, 253) As Mark Lane pointed out in "Rush to Judgment", this was "absurd to suggest that Ruby's personality exonerated him from conspiracy - as if the Commission would accept only a more responsible and qualified person for the role." (p. 271)
Throw in all the "stalking" Ruby did of LHO over the weekend and one can see this was not act of emotion. Also, as pointed out earlier, Ruby did make calls to the DPD warning them LHO would be shot if they moved him, as the cop who took the call later said the voice was familiar, and after the shooting, he matched it to Ruby's. Senator is useless as a witness when you consider that the other three people in Ruby's apartment that day prior to the shooting wound up dead (Bill Hunter, Jim Keothe, and Tom Howard), so it is obvious to me to assume one of two things, either Senator was involved in some small way or he was scared so much he lied through his teeth.
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I think that Ruby could have gotten to DP and back by the time Newnam saw him. I think his recorded call to his “friend” (who really worked for the IRS) shows Ruby had advanced notice of the assassination too.