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The Warren Commission (WC) made an seemingly endless list of claims they never supported with any evidence. We have looked at so many of them in regards to the shootings and Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) acting alone. Here is another claim they made about a respected newspaperman.
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Newspaperman Seth Kantor had worked in Dallas for a number of years before leaving in 1962. He was quite familiar with Jack Ruby and said he saw him at Parkland Hospital (PH) at about 1:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963. Here is what the WC wrote about this in their Report (WCR).
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Ruby’s alleged visit to Parkland Hospital.—The Commission has investigated claims that Jack Ruby was at Parkland Hospital at about 1:30 p.m., when Presidential press secretary, Malcolm Kilduff, announced that President Kennedy was dead. Seth Kantor, a newspaperman who had previously met Ruby in Dallas, reported and later testified that Jack Ruby stopped him momentarily inside the main entrance to Parkland Hospital some time between 1:30 and 2 p.m., Friday, November 22, 1963. (WCR, pp. 335-336)
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The WC wrote that Kantor had “previously met Ruby in Dallas” as if they had met only once or briefly. Kantor had been on the staff of the Dallas Times Herald (DTH) for quite some time so it is highly doubtful that he had only met Ruby once or briefly as the WC alludes to. Ruby was a master at meeting and learning about policemen and media people in Dallas. Here is what Kantor testified to before the WC.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you live in Dallas at some time? Is that correct?
Mr. KANTOR. For a 2-year period.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And what was that 2-year period? Can you tell us when it began and when it ended?
Mr. KANTOR. Yes. September 1960 until May 1962.
Mr. GRIFFIN. During those months, did you have occasion to meet Jack Ruby?
Mr. KANTOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you first meet Mr. Ruby?
Mr. KANTOR. Well, it was within a very few months after I joined the Times Herald. I was a feature writer for the paper. I think by nature of the stories that I wrote, I sort of attracted Jack Ruby. He came up to my desk one day and introduced himself and said that he owned a club or clubs in town, and that he thought he might have some stories for me from time to time, and he did.
Over the next several months, he provided me with maybe as many as half-a-dozen feature stories, on characters in town.
This shows Kantor knew who Ruby was and would make no mistake of thinking someone else he saw was Ruby if it wasn’t. The WCR continued with this comment.
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Investigation has limited the period during which Kantor could have met Ruby at Parkland Hospital on Friday to a few minutes before and after 1:30 p.m. (WCR, p. 336)
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What investigation was needed? Kantor told the FBI when he believed he met Jack Ruby and this was published as Kantor Exhibit 7. Here is the relevant portion of it.
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Upon entering the southwest portion of the building [PH], he felt someone tug at his coat, and it was Jack Ruby, whom Kantor had known in Dallas, Texas, when Kantor was on the staff of the Dallas Times Herald newspaper. Kantor related that he filed a story for his paper following this, but he did REMEMBER the time that Ruby tugged his coat because it was TWO MINUTES BEFORE Kilduff made the announcement of the President’s death. Kantor states he would place the time at about 1:28 p.m. when Ruby tugged the back of his coat and talked with him. (Kantor Exhibit 7, pp. 428-429) (Emphasis added)
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Since we know the announcement by Kilduff occurred at 1:30 p.m. this seems pretty accurate, so why did the WC have to “investigate” this when they did NOT investigate so much else? It seems “investigating” always occurred when someone said something that did NOT fit the official theory. The WC even wrote this about Kantor’s recollection.
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Kantor was certain that he encountered Ruby at Parkland but HAD DOUBTS ABOUT THE EXACT TIME and place. (WCR, p. 336)
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Does Kantor sound like he had doubts about the time to you? He was a very good newspaperman for goodness sake so I doubt this was that difficult for him to figure out. Kantor had said that Ruby had asked him for advice by asking, “Should I close my places for the next three nights, do you think?” Despite this Kantor would be considered just another “mistaken” witness by the WC.
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Kantor probably did not see Ruby at Parkland Hospital in the few minutes before or after 1:30 p.m., the only time it would have been possible for Kantor to have done so. (Ibid.)
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They would go on to claim that a man who made a living investigating stories and writing about them would be confused over such a simple thing when they said he probably saw him later that night at the midnight press conference.
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Since Ruby was observed at the Dallas Police Department (DPD) during a 2 hour period after 11:00 p.m. on Friday, when Kantor was also present, and since Kantor did not remember seeing Ruby there, Kantor may have been MISTAKEN about both the time and the place that he saw Ruby. (Ibid.)
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It is amazing Kantor was able to keep his job as a newspaper reporter with skills like this. He supposedly confused a meeting at 1:28 p.m. at PH with a midnight press conference in DPD headquarters. I wonder if he remembered where his hotel was located? Also, if Kantor had seen Ruby near midnight, wouldn’t it have been kind of late for Ruby to be asking him about closing his club for that night? I would think so. I believe he had already changed his ads by this time to reflect the closing.
It would seem the WC relied on Jack Ruby’s denial at being at PH for why they thought Kantor was “mistaken.”
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Ruby has firmly denied going to Parkland and has stated that he went to the Carousel Club upon leaving the Morning News. (Ibid.)
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Why is Ruby believed so readily when Kantor is not? Especially when Kantor had corroboration for his claim? We have seen the story of Wilma Tice earlier in other posts and she too said she saw Jack Ruby at PH. She too was admonished by being told Jack Ruby denied being there.
Mrs. TICE. …Anyway, they were talking to me about Ruby being out to the hospital, and that is just about all I know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mrs. Tice, did you know that Jack himself has denied very vehemently he was out at the hospital?
Mrs. TICE. Yes; I know he denied that, and I hated to say that I saw him out there, and I told Eva. And Eva told me, "Well, I asked Jack and Jack said no, he wasn't out there." And I said, "Well, anybody can make a mistake. Anybody could have made a mistake." She said, "Yes, because there are many Jacks. A man called Jack,"--and if it wasn't him it was his twin brother.
Did Jack Ruby have a twin brother? I don’t think so. It is odd that Ruby’s word seems to be gospel to the WC, but hers and Kantor’s are not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you think you could have been mistaken about the man you saw?
Mrs. TICE. It could have been somebody else that looked just like Jack, named Jack; yes.
There was NO one else who looked just like Jack Ruby who went by Jack that I am aware of. In a court of law this would carry weight as TWO witnesses saw the same thing, but with the WC not so much. They instead decided to believe a known strip club owner who had murdered LHO.
Mrs. Wilma Tice did not even warrant a mention by name as this is all the WC wrote about her in their Report.
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The only other person [Tice] besides Kantor who recalled seeing Ruby at the hospital did not make known her observation until April 1964, had NEVER SEEN Ruby before, allegedly saw him only briefly then, had an obstructed view and was uncertain of the time. (WCR, p. 336) (Emphasis added)
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It seems you could NOT win with the WC on this issue as Kantor knew Ruby by sight, and yet, he was claimed to be “mistaken” about his identification of Ruby. Now, we see Mrs. Tice is disqualified because “she had never seen Ruby before”! Also, the excuse of her not making this sighting known until April 1964 is quite silly as in many cases evidence does NOT come into the police and District Attorney’s (DA) office until later on. Marina Oswald seemed to be constantly changing her story as time went by and the WC had NO issues with that for the most part. I wonder what the difference was?
All we got was the word of a convicted killer to say he did NOT go there despite two witnesses saying they saw him.
Representative FORD. It has been alleged that you went out to Parkland Hospital.
Mr. RUBY. No; I didn't go there. They tried to ask me. My sisters asked me. Some people told my sister that you were there. I am of sound mind. I never went there. Everything that transpired during the tragedy, I was at the Morning News Building.
Congressman FORD. You didn't go out there subsequent to the assassination?
Mr. RUBY. No; in other words, like somebody is trying to make me something of a martyr in that case. No; I never did.
Why the belief in a convicted killer, Ruby, but NO belief in a man who was not shown to commit any crime (LHO)? Also, why was Ruby’s word taken over the word of a respected member of the media like Kantor? Why was Ruby not even asked about Kantor and if he saw him, and if so, what time of day was it? If you search Ruby’s testimony you won’t find one reference to Kantor. Why is that if the WC was searching for the truth as they claimed?
The FBI would interview Kantor twice (December 3, 1963 and January 2, 1964) in an effort to shake him from this claim. Here are some excerpts from those interviews.
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Kantor was pointedly told by interviewing agents that Ruby has emphatically denied he was at Parkland Hospital at any time November 22, 1963, or subsequent. Kantor was specifically asked whether he might be mistaken about seeing Ruby there. . .. Kantor reiterated he is absolutely certain he saw and spoke with Ruby at the Parkland Hospital on November 22. Kantor was told that he might be called upon to testify in this case. He was asked what he would say if under oath and on the witness stand in a court of law to the question, "Did you see and talk with Ruby at the Parkland Hospital on November 22, 1963?" Kantor stated that he would answer, "Yes," because e he is absolutely certain he did. (Kantor Exhibit 8, p. 167)
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Again, why is the word of a murderer seemingly carrying more weight than Kantor’s word? Kantor would stay steadfast in his belief before the WC as well many months later.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to ask you before we get into that, however, one final question in respect to what we did cover yesterday, and I want to ask you to search your mind and tell us what doubts, if you have any, that you might have that the man who you have identified as Jack Ruby, Parkland Hospital on November 22 was indeed Jack Ruby.
Mr. KANTOR. Well, I would like to say that a little more than 6 months have passed and I think I have doubted almost anything in searching my memory which has happened over a period of 6 months or more in my lifetime. I think if you think about something a good deal you wonder whether it actually happened.
However, I was indelibly sure at the time and have continued to be so that the man who stopped me and with whom I talked was Jack Ruby. I feel strongly about it because I had known Jack Ruby and he did call me by my first name as he came up behind me, and at that moment under the circumstances it was a fairly normal conversation.
All this because Jack Ruby said he was NOT there! Why did LHO’s denouncements NOT get the same treatment from the DPD, DA, FBI and the WC? The reason the WC said it probably was not Ruby was due to the time for him to get to the Carousel Club from PH. They had him at the club at 1:45 p.m. and they said with the traffic he could NOT be seen around 1:30 p.m. and still get there in 15 minutes or so (it usually took between 9 or 10 minutes to cover this distance). Like most claims by the WC it flew in the face of other evidence in their own twenty-six volumes. The WC had taken testimony from one of Ruby’s dancers, Nancy Powell (a.k.a. Tammie True) and she testified to the following.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your full name?
Mrs. POWELL. Nancy Monnell Powell.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You have a professional or stage name that you use?
Mrs. POWELL. Tammi True.
Mrs. Powell would also go to PH from the TSBD area and she said the traffic was not that bad.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you remain there?
Mrs. POWELL. We didn't remain very long. We just stopped by there for a minute, and we left there and came downtown. No; we went to Parkland Hospital. We were there long enough, because we found he was in Parkland Hospital. And Pete and I went over to Parkland Hospital.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you arrive at Parkland Hospital before it was known that the President was dead?
Mrs. POWELL. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What were the driving conditions going out there to Parkland?
Mrs. POWELL. Very bad. Well, they weren't so bad. I came through town to start with. We started down to get an extra, because we knew they would have extras, and I wanted to get one to save for my kiddos.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You did stop downtown?
Mrs. POWELL. Over here some place at one of the newspapers. We stopped for just a second and ran into see if they had the extras out yet. No; maybe we didn't. I think we went directly to the hospital, because it had just happened. Anyway, we went to the hospital, and it wasn't too bad going out, but around the hospital it was just terrible. But we parked and we walked up and stood there, and the TV cameras were there already. And I guess we had been there about--on the way out there, they announced over the radio that the President was dead.
Mr. GRIFFIN. As you drove out, did you go out the expressway? That is Stemmons Expressway?
Mrs. POWELL. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How was the traffic on Stemmons Expressway?
Mrs. POWELL. It didn't seem to be too bad on the expressway.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you make normal time?
Mrs. POWELL I drove very fast.
Mr. GRIFFIN. About how long did it take you? Where did you get on the Stemmons Expressway?
Mrs. POWELL. Well, I came through town.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you get on there the same way the President had gone?
Mrs. POWELL. Yes; I sure did, because Pete had never been here before. It was his first time. Just when he got the plane to go to Mexico. And I was showing him. We drove by the Depository down there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. About how long would it have taken you to drive out there?
Mrs. POWELL. Well, I don't recall that it took any longer than it normally would to drive out there. Of course, I slowed down through town. We came down and I slowed down and we looked up at the window. Of course, there was a lot of people, but they were keeping traffic moving, and we went exactly the same route, because I pointed out the building where he was supposed to make his speech. Then I got off, and I wasn't too sure where the hospital was, to tell the truth. I got off and I found it all right, and there was just a lot of traffic around there.
If the traffic was moving normal towards PH, why would it be worse leaving the area where JFK had been taken? This too seems to be a silly excuse for why Ruby could NOT have been there. This is key as the bullet now known as the “magic bullet” (CE 399) was found around 1:45 p.m. meaning it would have been discovered shortly after Ruby’s visit there. Another odd thing, reported on earlier in other posts, was the comment by Justice of the Peace Theron Ward when Secret Service (SS) Agent Roy Kellerman asked him about taking JFK’s body. Here is what happened.
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I will have to consult with Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade. Advice from Henry Wade and Chief Jesse Curry is not to release the body until the “missile” (bullet) is taken into evidence.
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The problem with this is the “advice” came at 1:25 pm., a FULL TWENTY MINUTES BEFORE the bullet now known as the “magic bullet” was found (of course the bullet actually found is NOT CE 399, but that is covered in other posts). How did Wade and Curry know a bullet would be found at all in PH?
Why was it so important for the WC to discredit Kantor and Tice? Perhaps the heading all of this came under in the Report will tell us why.
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POSSIBLE CONSPIRACY INVOLVING JACK RUBY (WCR, p. 333)
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The WC could not, and would not, allow any discussion of a conspiracy of any kind so they took the word of a murderer over a respected journalist and a woman who had NO reason to lie.
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The Warren Commission (WC) made an seemingly endless list of claims they never supported with any evidence. We have looked at so many of them in regards to the shootings and Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) acting alone. Here is another claim they made about a respected newspaperman.
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Newspaperman Seth Kantor had worked in Dallas for a number of years before leaving in 1962. He was quite familiar with Jack Ruby and said he saw him at Parkland Hospital (PH) at about 1:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963. Here is what the WC wrote about this in their Report (WCR).
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Ruby’s alleged visit to Parkland Hospital.—The Commission has investigated claims that Jack Ruby was at Parkland Hospital at about 1:30 p.m., when Presidential press secretary, Malcolm Kilduff, announced that President Kennedy was dead. Seth Kantor, a newspaperman who had previously met Ruby in Dallas, reported and later testified that Jack Ruby stopped him momentarily inside the main entrance to Parkland Hospital some time between 1:30 and 2 p.m., Friday, November 22, 1963. (WCR, pp. 335-336)
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The WC wrote that Kantor had “previously met Ruby in Dallas” as if they had met only once or briefly. Kantor had been on the staff of the Dallas Times Herald (DTH) for quite some time so it is highly doubtful that he had only met Ruby once or briefly as the WC alludes to. Ruby was a master at meeting and learning about policemen and media people in Dallas. Here is what Kantor testified to before the WC.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you live in Dallas at some time? Is that correct?
Mr. KANTOR. For a 2-year period.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And what was that 2-year period? Can you tell us when it began and when it ended?
Mr. KANTOR. Yes. September 1960 until May 1962.
Mr. GRIFFIN. During those months, did you have occasion to meet Jack Ruby?
Mr. KANTOR. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you first meet Mr. Ruby?
Mr. KANTOR. Well, it was within a very few months after I joined the Times Herald. I was a feature writer for the paper. I think by nature of the stories that I wrote, I sort of attracted Jack Ruby. He came up to my desk one day and introduced himself and said that he owned a club or clubs in town, and that he thought he might have some stories for me from time to time, and he did.
Over the next several months, he provided me with maybe as many as half-a-dozen feature stories, on characters in town.
This shows Kantor knew who Ruby was and would make no mistake of thinking someone else he saw was Ruby if it wasn’t. The WCR continued with this comment.
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Investigation has limited the period during which Kantor could have met Ruby at Parkland Hospital on Friday to a few minutes before and after 1:30 p.m. (WCR, p. 336)
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What investigation was needed? Kantor told the FBI when he believed he met Jack Ruby and this was published as Kantor Exhibit 7. Here is the relevant portion of it.
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Upon entering the southwest portion of the building [PH], he felt someone tug at his coat, and it was Jack Ruby, whom Kantor had known in Dallas, Texas, when Kantor was on the staff of the Dallas Times Herald newspaper. Kantor related that he filed a story for his paper following this, but he did REMEMBER the time that Ruby tugged his coat because it was TWO MINUTES BEFORE Kilduff made the announcement of the President’s death. Kantor states he would place the time at about 1:28 p.m. when Ruby tugged the back of his coat and talked with him. (Kantor Exhibit 7, pp. 428-429) (Emphasis added)
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Since we know the announcement by Kilduff occurred at 1:30 p.m. this seems pretty accurate, so why did the WC have to “investigate” this when they did NOT investigate so much else? It seems “investigating” always occurred when someone said something that did NOT fit the official theory. The WC even wrote this about Kantor’s recollection.
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Kantor was certain that he encountered Ruby at Parkland but HAD DOUBTS ABOUT THE EXACT TIME and place. (WCR, p. 336)
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Does Kantor sound like he had doubts about the time to you? He was a very good newspaperman for goodness sake so I doubt this was that difficult for him to figure out. Kantor had said that Ruby had asked him for advice by asking, “Should I close my places for the next three nights, do you think?” Despite this Kantor would be considered just another “mistaken” witness by the WC.
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Kantor probably did not see Ruby at Parkland Hospital in the few minutes before or after 1:30 p.m., the only time it would have been possible for Kantor to have done so. (Ibid.)
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They would go on to claim that a man who made a living investigating stories and writing about them would be confused over such a simple thing when they said he probably saw him later that night at the midnight press conference.
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Since Ruby was observed at the Dallas Police Department (DPD) during a 2 hour period after 11:00 p.m. on Friday, when Kantor was also present, and since Kantor did not remember seeing Ruby there, Kantor may have been MISTAKEN about both the time and the place that he saw Ruby. (Ibid.)
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It is amazing Kantor was able to keep his job as a newspaper reporter with skills like this. He supposedly confused a meeting at 1:28 p.m. at PH with a midnight press conference in DPD headquarters. I wonder if he remembered where his hotel was located? Also, if Kantor had seen Ruby near midnight, wouldn’t it have been kind of late for Ruby to be asking him about closing his club for that night? I would think so. I believe he had already changed his ads by this time to reflect the closing.
It would seem the WC relied on Jack Ruby’s denial at being at PH for why they thought Kantor was “mistaken.”
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Ruby has firmly denied going to Parkland and has stated that he went to the Carousel Club upon leaving the Morning News. (Ibid.)
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Why is Ruby believed so readily when Kantor is not? Especially when Kantor had corroboration for his claim? We have seen the story of Wilma Tice earlier in other posts and she too said she saw Jack Ruby at PH. She too was admonished by being told Jack Ruby denied being there.
Mrs. TICE. …Anyway, they were talking to me about Ruby being out to the hospital, and that is just about all I know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Mrs. Tice, did you know that Jack himself has denied very vehemently he was out at the hospital?
Mrs. TICE. Yes; I know he denied that, and I hated to say that I saw him out there, and I told Eva. And Eva told me, "Well, I asked Jack and Jack said no, he wasn't out there." And I said, "Well, anybody can make a mistake. Anybody could have made a mistake." She said, "Yes, because there are many Jacks. A man called Jack,"--and if it wasn't him it was his twin brother.
Did Jack Ruby have a twin brother? I don’t think so. It is odd that Ruby’s word seems to be gospel to the WC, but hers and Kantor’s are not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you think you could have been mistaken about the man you saw?
Mrs. TICE. It could have been somebody else that looked just like Jack, named Jack; yes.
There was NO one else who looked just like Jack Ruby who went by Jack that I am aware of. In a court of law this would carry weight as TWO witnesses saw the same thing, but with the WC not so much. They instead decided to believe a known strip club owner who had murdered LHO.
Mrs. Wilma Tice did not even warrant a mention by name as this is all the WC wrote about her in their Report.
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The only other person [Tice] besides Kantor who recalled seeing Ruby at the hospital did not make known her observation until April 1964, had NEVER SEEN Ruby before, allegedly saw him only briefly then, had an obstructed view and was uncertain of the time. (WCR, p. 336) (Emphasis added)
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It seems you could NOT win with the WC on this issue as Kantor knew Ruby by sight, and yet, he was claimed to be “mistaken” about his identification of Ruby. Now, we see Mrs. Tice is disqualified because “she had never seen Ruby before”! Also, the excuse of her not making this sighting known until April 1964 is quite silly as in many cases evidence does NOT come into the police and District Attorney’s (DA) office until later on. Marina Oswald seemed to be constantly changing her story as time went by and the WC had NO issues with that for the most part. I wonder what the difference was?
All we got was the word of a convicted killer to say he did NOT go there despite two witnesses saying they saw him.
Representative FORD. It has been alleged that you went out to Parkland Hospital.
Mr. RUBY. No; I didn't go there. They tried to ask me. My sisters asked me. Some people told my sister that you were there. I am of sound mind. I never went there. Everything that transpired during the tragedy, I was at the Morning News Building.
Congressman FORD. You didn't go out there subsequent to the assassination?
Mr. RUBY. No; in other words, like somebody is trying to make me something of a martyr in that case. No; I never did.
Why the belief in a convicted killer, Ruby, but NO belief in a man who was not shown to commit any crime (LHO)? Also, why was Ruby’s word taken over the word of a respected member of the media like Kantor? Why was Ruby not even asked about Kantor and if he saw him, and if so, what time of day was it? If you search Ruby’s testimony you won’t find one reference to Kantor. Why is that if the WC was searching for the truth as they claimed?
The FBI would interview Kantor twice (December 3, 1963 and January 2, 1964) in an effort to shake him from this claim. Here are some excerpts from those interviews.
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Kantor was pointedly told by interviewing agents that Ruby has emphatically denied he was at Parkland Hospital at any time November 22, 1963, or subsequent. Kantor was specifically asked whether he might be mistaken about seeing Ruby there. . .. Kantor reiterated he is absolutely certain he saw and spoke with Ruby at the Parkland Hospital on November 22. Kantor was told that he might be called upon to testify in this case. He was asked what he would say if under oath and on the witness stand in a court of law to the question, "Did you see and talk with Ruby at the Parkland Hospital on November 22, 1963?" Kantor stated that he would answer, "Yes," because e he is absolutely certain he did. (Kantor Exhibit 8, p. 167)
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Again, why is the word of a murderer seemingly carrying more weight than Kantor’s word? Kantor would stay steadfast in his belief before the WC as well many months later.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to ask you before we get into that, however, one final question in respect to what we did cover yesterday, and I want to ask you to search your mind and tell us what doubts, if you have any, that you might have that the man who you have identified as Jack Ruby, Parkland Hospital on November 22 was indeed Jack Ruby.
Mr. KANTOR. Well, I would like to say that a little more than 6 months have passed and I think I have doubted almost anything in searching my memory which has happened over a period of 6 months or more in my lifetime. I think if you think about something a good deal you wonder whether it actually happened.
However, I was indelibly sure at the time and have continued to be so that the man who stopped me and with whom I talked was Jack Ruby. I feel strongly about it because I had known Jack Ruby and he did call me by my first name as he came up behind me, and at that moment under the circumstances it was a fairly normal conversation.
All this because Jack Ruby said he was NOT there! Why did LHO’s denouncements NOT get the same treatment from the DPD, DA, FBI and the WC? The reason the WC said it probably was not Ruby was due to the time for him to get to the Carousel Club from PH. They had him at the club at 1:45 p.m. and they said with the traffic he could NOT be seen around 1:30 p.m. and still get there in 15 minutes or so (it usually took between 9 or 10 minutes to cover this distance). Like most claims by the WC it flew in the face of other evidence in their own twenty-six volumes. The WC had taken testimony from one of Ruby’s dancers, Nancy Powell (a.k.a. Tammie True) and she testified to the following.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your full name?
Mrs. POWELL. Nancy Monnell Powell.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You have a professional or stage name that you use?
Mrs. POWELL. Tammi True.
Mrs. Powell would also go to PH from the TSBD area and she said the traffic was not that bad.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you remain there?
Mrs. POWELL. We didn't remain very long. We just stopped by there for a minute, and we left there and came downtown. No; we went to Parkland Hospital. We were there long enough, because we found he was in Parkland Hospital. And Pete and I went over to Parkland Hospital.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you arrive at Parkland Hospital before it was known that the President was dead?
Mrs. POWELL. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What were the driving conditions going out there to Parkland?
Mrs. POWELL. Very bad. Well, they weren't so bad. I came through town to start with. We started down to get an extra, because we knew they would have extras, and I wanted to get one to save for my kiddos.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You did stop downtown?
Mrs. POWELL. Over here some place at one of the newspapers. We stopped for just a second and ran into see if they had the extras out yet. No; maybe we didn't. I think we went directly to the hospital, because it had just happened. Anyway, we went to the hospital, and it wasn't too bad going out, but around the hospital it was just terrible. But we parked and we walked up and stood there, and the TV cameras were there already. And I guess we had been there about--on the way out there, they announced over the radio that the President was dead.
Mr. GRIFFIN. As you drove out, did you go out the expressway? That is Stemmons Expressway?
Mrs. POWELL. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How was the traffic on Stemmons Expressway?
Mrs. POWELL. It didn't seem to be too bad on the expressway.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you make normal time?
Mrs. POWELL I drove very fast.
Mr. GRIFFIN. About how long did it take you? Where did you get on the Stemmons Expressway?
Mrs. POWELL. Well, I came through town.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you get on there the same way the President had gone?
Mrs. POWELL. Yes; I sure did, because Pete had never been here before. It was his first time. Just when he got the plane to go to Mexico. And I was showing him. We drove by the Depository down there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. About how long would it have taken you to drive out there?
Mrs. POWELL. Well, I don't recall that it took any longer than it normally would to drive out there. Of course, I slowed down through town. We came down and I slowed down and we looked up at the window. Of course, there was a lot of people, but they were keeping traffic moving, and we went exactly the same route, because I pointed out the building where he was supposed to make his speech. Then I got off, and I wasn't too sure where the hospital was, to tell the truth. I got off and I found it all right, and there was just a lot of traffic around there.
If the traffic was moving normal towards PH, why would it be worse leaving the area where JFK had been taken? This too seems to be a silly excuse for why Ruby could NOT have been there. This is key as the bullet now known as the “magic bullet” (CE 399) was found around 1:45 p.m. meaning it would have been discovered shortly after Ruby’s visit there. Another odd thing, reported on earlier in other posts, was the comment by Justice of the Peace Theron Ward when Secret Service (SS) Agent Roy Kellerman asked him about taking JFK’s body. Here is what happened.
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I will have to consult with Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade. Advice from Henry Wade and Chief Jesse Curry is not to release the body until the “missile” (bullet) is taken into evidence.
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The problem with this is the “advice” came at 1:25 pm., a FULL TWENTY MINUTES BEFORE the bullet now known as the “magic bullet” was found (of course the bullet actually found is NOT CE 399, but that is covered in other posts). How did Wade and Curry know a bullet would be found at all in PH?
Why was it so important for the WC to discredit Kantor and Tice? Perhaps the heading all of this came under in the Report will tell us why.
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POSSIBLE CONSPIRACY INVOLVING JACK RUBY (WCR, p. 333)
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The WC could not, and would not, allow any discussion of a conspiracy of any kind so they took the word of a murderer over a respected journalist and a woman who had NO reason to lie.