Post by Rob Caprio on May 29, 2022 16:54:19 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) said Jack Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) on November 24, 1963, but did he? This will be one of those posts that will ask you to broaden your thinking patterns in regard to what you think you know about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and the subsequent killing of his alleged assassin.
This post will look at something that I never even considered myself in thirty-plus years of studying this case. Keep an open mind and then reach your own decision. Please try to think outside the box here as many people are shot on television and live to tell about it.
Did Ruby actually shoot LHO as we have been told for over fifty-eight years? What do you think?
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As we have seen earlier in other posts, there was a fourth-year medical student available to LHO, Fred Bieberdorf , following the shooting, but NOT a full-fledged doctor who had experience with gunshot wounds like LHO would have received if the official story is correct. Was this why he was selected in the first place?
I have to admit I have never even thought of this until I came across an article called Who Assassinated President Kennedy and Why? by Michael B. Schweitzer who had been a lawyer for over thirty years. His hypothesis was that the CIA did JFK in and that it was orchestrated by Allen Dulles and included Vice-President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ), FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover (JEH) and Texas oil backers Clint Murchison, John Mecom and H.L. Hunt. The part that got my attention and made me wonder is this section.
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THE RUBY-OSWALD CASE-CLOSER: Ruby actually fired a blank! Oswald, who had asked to wear a dark sweater before the transfer so he would look better on television, groaned twice and dropped to the ground in an Oscar-worthy performance. The CIA then double-crossed him in the ambulance and shot him for real. The necessity: The coup required 2 assassinations: JFK and Oswald. Letting Oswald live would have kept questions alive for years – during the prolonged process of trial and appeal – which would not only have delayed legitimizing the Johnson presidency, but given the public time to think about what happened and a jury a chance to acquit. That door had to be shut at once – and it was, within 48 hours. Planners selected Ruby so the second killing, like the first, could be pinned on a “lone nut” gunman. But the scenario required a single shot to play out plausibly. Ruby had to lunge at Oswald through a throng of police, reporters and photographers – a multiplicity of variables to hinder him.
A fatal shot could only be guaranteed if someone else fired it. Absent this precaution, there may well have been a second “magic bullet” to explain: how a single shot by Ruby caused two wounds to Oswald. (Who Assassinated President Kennedy and Why? by Michael B. Schweitzer)
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This floored me as it was something I never even thought about and just took for granted, but he raises some valid points in his statement. I realize elements of the Dallas Police Department (DPD) did all they could to assist Ruby by having the transfer vehicle NOT in place, bright lights for the media that blinded the officers who were protecting LHO and assistance for Ruby in entering and getting near LHO, but still there are things that could go wrong as the author says.
Furthermore, the image of LHO being shot is fresh in our minds because of the iconic photograph taken by Bob Jackson who was a Dallas Times Herald photographer. Here it is.
Bob Jackson Photograph:
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Ira "Jack" Beers Photograph: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Lee_Harvey_Oswald_being_shot_by_Jack_Ruby_as_Oswald_is_being_moved_by_police%2C_1963.jpg/603px-Lee_Harvey_Oswald_being_shot_by_Jack_Ruby_as_Oswald_is_being_moved_by_police%2C_1963.jpg
When you look at the photograph you see that he would have been shot in the stomach area and we see confirmation of this in Bieberdorf Exhibit 5123 as well.
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He noted that someone had pulled Oswald’s shirt up to his chest and he could see a puncture wound on the left side of Oswald’s stomach just below the rib cage…(Bieberdorf Exhibit 5123, p. 164)
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He said he saw a wound in the stomach area of LHO just below the rib cage. The next thing that jumped out at me in the Schweitzer article was his comment about TWO wounds being found on LHO’s body. So I went and found LHO’s autopsy notes and this is what it says in regards to wounds.
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Over the left pectoral region, 14 inches from the top of the head and 2 ¾ inches to the left of the midline there is a 1 ¼ inch wound. The edges of this area are sharp. Over the left chest is an oblique wound which originates 17 inches from the top of the head and runs forward, downward toward the midline anteriorly measuring 7 ¼ inches and closed by 12 closing back sutures. The wound goes interior to the nipple. (Lee Harvey Oswald autopsy, number M63-356)
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We see TWO wounds being discussed in the autopsy report and both are in the LEFT CHEST area! What happened to the stomach wound we have been told about for over 58 years? Well, if we read a little further we will see this about the stomach.
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It is found to notch the undersurface of the seventh rib at the costochondral junction, this is surrounded by hemorrhage. In its course it notches the diaphragmatic attachment in this region, however, the left lung is not penetrated. The course is to go left to right and backward. In its course it is found to strike the anterior edge of the spleen and there is a (word incomplete on copy) laceration of the spleen measuring approximately 1.5 x 2 cm. The missile is found to penetrate the stomach along the greater curvature of the body of the stomach, the penetration measuring 9mm. (Ibid.)
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The stomach is mentioned in this portion, but so is the area below the chest (diaphragmatic). It says the course was “left to right and backward”, but if that is so why did we see two wounds in the chest area? Did LHO suffer two wounds in the left chest areas from something else? I have never read he did and if they were tied to a gunshot in the chest I’m sure we would have heard about this before.
The trajectory seems to me to be going UPWARD and this seems odd since it seemed more natural to go horizontally since from the picture that is how it seems Ruby would have shot him. What do you think?
The rest of the article section dealing with this reads like this.
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The evidence that Ruby did not shoot Oswald: photographer Bob Jackson, who took the Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of the “shooting,” said there was “not a speck of blood anywhere” on the body or at the crime scene; the two “stretcher photos” of Oswald being carried to the ambulance show not only no blood on his sweater, but no damage to a single a fiber; and a shot by Ruby would have passed straight through him, but the trajectory of the bullet that killed him was upward. And Ruby, recounting the “incident” (his words) in an interview three weeks before he died, said: “I can’t recall what had happened from the time I came to the bottom of the ramp until the police officers had me on the ground.” His mind was blank about everything he said and did during his encounter with Oswald, as if programmed by MK-ULTRA to auto-erase. To those who doubt the proposition the Ruby-Oswald “shooting” was staged, consider this: in a plot that required two assassinations, what is the probability the first occurred by conspiracy and the second by chance? (Ibid.)
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His first reference is Bob Jackson’s comments and he did go on the Greg Szymanski Radio Show and say this back in 2006. Here is what Mr. Szymanski wrote about it later on.
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Bob Jackson, former photographer for the Dallas Tiimes Herald who captured on film Ruby shooting Oswald, reveals for the first time on American radio he didn't see a speck of blood on the body or at the crime scene.
For those JFK assassination researchers and truth seekers, a startling revelation was made on American radio Thursday, as Bob Jackson, former Dallas Times Herald photographer, made public for the first time that there was "not a speck of blood anywhere" on the body or at the crime scene when Jack Ruby supposedly shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald.
Jackson was on assignment for the Dallas paper on the morning of Nov. 24, 1963, when Oswald was being transferred from his holding cell and snapped the picture "seen around the world," a Pulitzer Prize winning photo of Oswald grimacing with Jack Ruby fully visible with pistol in hand, shooting Oswald.
After 43 years, Jackson told listeners of Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, he witnessed no blood on Oswald after the shooting, as well as "not a speck of blood" at the crime scene leading all the way to when Oswald was put in the ambulance.
"I sure did think it was strange not to see any blood whatsoever," said Jackson, whose award-winning photo was later published first on the Times Herald front page and then in the Saturday Evening Post.
"I stayed on the scene well after Oswald was taken away in the ambulance and I never did see any blood, not one drop."
Jackson's startling revelation adds fuel to the fire of researchers who claimed Oswald was never shot by Ruby, but later killed by CIA operatives in the ambulance after Oswald was sedated against his will.
On the Investigative Journal, Jackson was joined by researcher Brian David Andersen, a long time JFK truth advocate, who said Jackson's testimony gives further credibility to the discrepancy to the type and angle of the wound reported in Oswald's autopsy and the angle of the gunshot would captured in Jackson's photo taken as Ruby supposedly fired the pistol into Oswald's chest.
"The bullet should have went straight through Oswald if you look at Bob's photo, but later the attending physician said the angle of the bullet was at an upward angle" said Andersen after he questioned Jackson on the radio show, indicating the possibility that Oswald was actually shot after he was placed in the ambulance. "The absence of blood also indicated this to be a real possibility." (By Greg Szymanski, Arctic Beacon.com, October 19, 2006)
www.rense.com/general73/ruby.htm
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How could LHO have been shot for real, but display no blood or leave blood on the ground? Stomach wounds usually cause a good bit of blood to exit the body (probably second only to head wounds) so how could Mr. Jackson see none? Mr. Jackson would be corroborated by Fred Bieberdorf as well as he said this in Bieberdorf Exhibit 5123 about what he saw.
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…but that NO external bleeding was evident... (Ibid.)
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Again, how could LHO have been shot as claimed and NO external bleeding having been seen? Mr. Szymanski’s article mentions conspiracy researchers discussing this issue, but I have to be honest, I have NEVER seen this discussed before. I always assumed it was a given that Ruby did in fact shoot LHO, but I have to say there is some evidence in this post (autopsy report, and eyewitness statements by Bob Jackson and Fred Bieberdorf) that makes me at least reconsider what may have gone on that day and that it may NOT match the official claim.
I guess when you really think about it, why would we expect this area to be cut and dried when the JFK, J.D. Tippit (JDT) and General Edwin Walker areas are NOT? If anyone has any information on this area of research I would greatly appreciate you sharing it with me in this thread. Thank you in advance.
I would have to think this evidence greatly calls into account the official conclusion the WC gave us regarding LHO’s death and the fact the WC did NOT investigate this crime fully calls into question that idea of their conclusion being accurate. This was the “case closer” for the WC and I don’t think they even showed, via the DPD, that Ruby’s handgun was the murder weapon of LHO! I just did a quick check of Cortland Cunningham and Robert Frazier’s WC testimonies and Ruby is not even mentioned in them. I think because we saw this on television we all assumed there was NO way we could have been lied to in that area of the case, but think about this, people are “killed” on television all the time and yet they are very much alive. Were we hoodwinked?
doyouremember.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/jack-ruby-shoots-lee-harvey-oswald.jpg
The Warren Commission (WC) said Jack Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) on November 24, 1963, but did he? This will be one of those posts that will ask you to broaden your thinking patterns in regard to what you think you know about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and the subsequent killing of his alleged assassin.
This post will look at something that I never even considered myself in thirty-plus years of studying this case. Keep an open mind and then reach your own decision. Please try to think outside the box here as many people are shot on television and live to tell about it.
Did Ruby actually shoot LHO as we have been told for over fifty-eight years? What do you think?
***********************************************************
As we have seen earlier in other posts, there was a fourth-year medical student available to LHO, Fred Bieberdorf , following the shooting, but NOT a full-fledged doctor who had experience with gunshot wounds like LHO would have received if the official story is correct. Was this why he was selected in the first place?
I have to admit I have never even thought of this until I came across an article called Who Assassinated President Kennedy and Why? by Michael B. Schweitzer who had been a lawyer for over thirty years. His hypothesis was that the CIA did JFK in and that it was orchestrated by Allen Dulles and included Vice-President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ), FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover (JEH) and Texas oil backers Clint Murchison, John Mecom and H.L. Hunt. The part that got my attention and made me wonder is this section.
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THE RUBY-OSWALD CASE-CLOSER: Ruby actually fired a blank! Oswald, who had asked to wear a dark sweater before the transfer so he would look better on television, groaned twice and dropped to the ground in an Oscar-worthy performance. The CIA then double-crossed him in the ambulance and shot him for real. The necessity: The coup required 2 assassinations: JFK and Oswald. Letting Oswald live would have kept questions alive for years – during the prolonged process of trial and appeal – which would not only have delayed legitimizing the Johnson presidency, but given the public time to think about what happened and a jury a chance to acquit. That door had to be shut at once – and it was, within 48 hours. Planners selected Ruby so the second killing, like the first, could be pinned on a “lone nut” gunman. But the scenario required a single shot to play out plausibly. Ruby had to lunge at Oswald through a throng of police, reporters and photographers – a multiplicity of variables to hinder him.
A fatal shot could only be guaranteed if someone else fired it. Absent this precaution, there may well have been a second “magic bullet” to explain: how a single shot by Ruby caused two wounds to Oswald. (Who Assassinated President Kennedy and Why? by Michael B. Schweitzer)
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This floored me as it was something I never even thought about and just took for granted, but he raises some valid points in his statement. I realize elements of the Dallas Police Department (DPD) did all they could to assist Ruby by having the transfer vehicle NOT in place, bright lights for the media that blinded the officers who were protecting LHO and assistance for Ruby in entering and getting near LHO, but still there are things that could go wrong as the author says.
Furthermore, the image of LHO being shot is fresh in our minds because of the iconic photograph taken by Bob Jackson who was a Dallas Times Herald photographer. Here it is.
Bob Jackson Photograph:
3.bp.blogspot.com/-lRm0cotCmhA/T0DOIPNIciI/AAAAAAAAFTU/7NrElR2gVSo/s1600/Lee-Harvey-Oswald-Is-Shot-Bob-Jackson-Photo.jpg
Ira "Jack" Beers Photograph: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Lee_Harvey_Oswald_being_shot_by_Jack_Ruby_as_Oswald_is_being_moved_by_police%2C_1963.jpg/603px-Lee_Harvey_Oswald_being_shot_by_Jack_Ruby_as_Oswald_is_being_moved_by_police%2C_1963.jpg
When you look at the photograph you see that he would have been shot in the stomach area and we see confirmation of this in Bieberdorf Exhibit 5123 as well.
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historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pages/WH_Vol19_0091b.gif
He noted that someone had pulled Oswald’s shirt up to his chest and he could see a puncture wound on the left side of Oswald’s stomach just below the rib cage…(Bieberdorf Exhibit 5123, p. 164)
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0091b.htm
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He said he saw a wound in the stomach area of LHO just below the rib cage. The next thing that jumped out at me in the Schweitzer article was his comment about TWO wounds being found on LHO’s body. So I went and found LHO’s autopsy notes and this is what it says in regards to wounds.
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Over the left pectoral region, 14 inches from the top of the head and 2 ¾ inches to the left of the midline there is a 1 ¼ inch wound. The edges of this area are sharp. Over the left chest is an oblique wound which originates 17 inches from the top of the head and runs forward, downward toward the midline anteriorly measuring 7 ¼ inches and closed by 12 closing back sutures. The wound goes interior to the nipple. (Lee Harvey Oswald autopsy, number M63-356)
texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337932/
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We see TWO wounds being discussed in the autopsy report and both are in the LEFT CHEST area! What happened to the stomach wound we have been told about for over 58 years? Well, if we read a little further we will see this about the stomach.
Quote on
It is found to notch the undersurface of the seventh rib at the costochondral junction, this is surrounded by hemorrhage. In its course it notches the diaphragmatic attachment in this region, however, the left lung is not penetrated. The course is to go left to right and backward. In its course it is found to strike the anterior edge of the spleen and there is a (word incomplete on copy) laceration of the spleen measuring approximately 1.5 x 2 cm. The missile is found to penetrate the stomach along the greater curvature of the body of the stomach, the penetration measuring 9mm. (Ibid.)
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The stomach is mentioned in this portion, but so is the area below the chest (diaphragmatic). It says the course was “left to right and backward”, but if that is so why did we see two wounds in the chest area? Did LHO suffer two wounds in the left chest areas from something else? I have never read he did and if they were tied to a gunshot in the chest I’m sure we would have heard about this before.
The trajectory seems to me to be going UPWARD and this seems odd since it seemed more natural to go horizontally since from the picture that is how it seems Ruby would have shot him. What do you think?
The rest of the article section dealing with this reads like this.
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The evidence that Ruby did not shoot Oswald: photographer Bob Jackson, who took the Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of the “shooting,” said there was “not a speck of blood anywhere” on the body or at the crime scene; the two “stretcher photos” of Oswald being carried to the ambulance show not only no blood on his sweater, but no damage to a single a fiber; and a shot by Ruby would have passed straight through him, but the trajectory of the bullet that killed him was upward. And Ruby, recounting the “incident” (his words) in an interview three weeks before he died, said: “I can’t recall what had happened from the time I came to the bottom of the ramp until the police officers had me on the ground.” His mind was blank about everything he said and did during his encounter with Oswald, as if programmed by MK-ULTRA to auto-erase. To those who doubt the proposition the Ruby-Oswald “shooting” was staged, consider this: in a plot that required two assassinations, what is the probability the first occurred by conspiracy and the second by chance? (Ibid.)
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His first reference is Bob Jackson’s comments and he did go on the Greg Szymanski Radio Show and say this back in 2006. Here is what Mr. Szymanski wrote about it later on.
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Bob Jackson, former photographer for the Dallas Tiimes Herald who captured on film Ruby shooting Oswald, reveals for the first time on American radio he didn't see a speck of blood on the body or at the crime scene.
For those JFK assassination researchers and truth seekers, a startling revelation was made on American radio Thursday, as Bob Jackson, former Dallas Times Herald photographer, made public for the first time that there was "not a speck of blood anywhere" on the body or at the crime scene when Jack Ruby supposedly shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald.
Jackson was on assignment for the Dallas paper on the morning of Nov. 24, 1963, when Oswald was being transferred from his holding cell and snapped the picture "seen around the world," a Pulitzer Prize winning photo of Oswald grimacing with Jack Ruby fully visible with pistol in hand, shooting Oswald.
After 43 years, Jackson told listeners of Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, he witnessed no blood on Oswald after the shooting, as well as "not a speck of blood" at the crime scene leading all the way to when Oswald was put in the ambulance.
"I sure did think it was strange not to see any blood whatsoever," said Jackson, whose award-winning photo was later published first on the Times Herald front page and then in the Saturday Evening Post.
"I stayed on the scene well after Oswald was taken away in the ambulance and I never did see any blood, not one drop."
Jackson's startling revelation adds fuel to the fire of researchers who claimed Oswald was never shot by Ruby, but later killed by CIA operatives in the ambulance after Oswald was sedated against his will.
On the Investigative Journal, Jackson was joined by researcher Brian David Andersen, a long time JFK truth advocate, who said Jackson's testimony gives further credibility to the discrepancy to the type and angle of the wound reported in Oswald's autopsy and the angle of the gunshot would captured in Jackson's photo taken as Ruby supposedly fired the pistol into Oswald's chest.
"The bullet should have went straight through Oswald if you look at Bob's photo, but later the attending physician said the angle of the bullet was at an upward angle" said Andersen after he questioned Jackson on the radio show, indicating the possibility that Oswald was actually shot after he was placed in the ambulance. "The absence of blood also indicated this to be a real possibility." (By Greg Szymanski, Arctic Beacon.com, October 19, 2006)
www.rense.com/general73/ruby.htm
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How could LHO have been shot for real, but display no blood or leave blood on the ground? Stomach wounds usually cause a good bit of blood to exit the body (probably second only to head wounds) so how could Mr. Jackson see none? Mr. Jackson would be corroborated by Fred Bieberdorf as well as he said this in Bieberdorf Exhibit 5123 about what he saw.
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…but that NO external bleeding was evident... (Ibid.)
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Again, how could LHO have been shot as claimed and NO external bleeding having been seen? Mr. Szymanski’s article mentions conspiracy researchers discussing this issue, but I have to be honest, I have NEVER seen this discussed before. I always assumed it was a given that Ruby did in fact shoot LHO, but I have to say there is some evidence in this post (autopsy report, and eyewitness statements by Bob Jackson and Fred Bieberdorf) that makes me at least reconsider what may have gone on that day and that it may NOT match the official claim.
I guess when you really think about it, why would we expect this area to be cut and dried when the JFK, J.D. Tippit (JDT) and General Edwin Walker areas are NOT? If anyone has any information on this area of research I would greatly appreciate you sharing it with me in this thread. Thank you in advance.
I would have to think this evidence greatly calls into account the official conclusion the WC gave us regarding LHO’s death and the fact the WC did NOT investigate this crime fully calls into question that idea of their conclusion being accurate. This was the “case closer” for the WC and I don’t think they even showed, via the DPD, that Ruby’s handgun was the murder weapon of LHO! I just did a quick check of Cortland Cunningham and Robert Frazier’s WC testimonies and Ruby is not even mentioned in them. I think because we saw this on television we all assumed there was NO way we could have been lied to in that area of the case, but think about this, people are “killed” on television all the time and yet they are very much alive. Were we hoodwinked?