Post by Rob Caprio on Nov 6, 2018 10:42:41 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) made a lot of claims in their long Report, but they did this in contradiction to their OWN evidence in the twenty-six volumes most of the time. The evidence in this case shows the majority of the Dallas Police Department (DPD) officers and the Sheriff’s deputies on the ground reacted to the Grassy Knoll (GK) as being the area where the shots came from. We see this in photographs, films and stills of the event, so why did these witnesses see police officers act in the following manner near and around the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) shortly after the shooting?
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First of all, when reading this keep in mind what I just posted regarding INSPECTOR Sawyer’s transmissions regarding where the empty rifle hulls were found. Initially it was on the THIRD FLOOR, and then it became the FIFTH floor.
Eyewitness Arnold Rowland was NOT liked by the WC in the least. As we saw in an earlier post he was even INVESTIGATED by the FBI due to his comments. He made more comments that the WC did NOT like. Like this.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you observe any other people either through any other window or hanging out of any other window in the building?
Mr. ROWLAND - There was no one in the fourth floor to my knowledge, to my recollection.
There were what appeared to be secretaries, several young white girls or ladies, standing on the steps of the building in this general area.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating the door of the building.
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Yes.
Mr. ROWLAND - And there was no one else in there, except I think there was a policeman in front of the door on the sidewalk.
Mr. SPECTER - Have you described everybody you have observed, with respect to everybody hanging out the windows?
Mr. ROWLAND - To the best of my recollection.
Specter, slippery as ever, just moves along and does NOT follow-up on this interesting bit of information at all. What would a DPD officer be doing on the sidewalk near the FRONT DOOR of the TSBD BEFORE the shots were fired? Can any WC defender give a reasonable explanation for this or show this officer would have been assigned this duty position?
Let’s look at another witness who had some interesting things to say. Emmett Hudson said he believed the shots came from high up and “from behind like.”
Mr. LIEBELER - But you are quite sure in your own mind that the shots came from the rear of the President's car and above it; is that correct?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you have any idea that they might have come from the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. HUDSON - Well, it sounded like it was high, you know, from above and kind of behind like - in other words, to the left.
Mr. LIEBELER - And that would have fit in with the Texas School Book Depository, wouldn't it?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
It should be pointed out too that Hudson wasn't standing in front of the TSBD.
Mr. LIEBELER - Would you tell us where you were on November 22, 1963, at around noon, around the time the Presidential motorcade came by?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I was over there next to that T. & P. Railroad yard where the little toolshed was.
Mr. LIEBELER - What was the nearest intersection to where you were?
Mr. HUDSON - Elm.
Mr. LIEBELER - Elm and What?
Mr. HUDSON - Houston.
Mr. LIEBELER - Elm and Houston?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - How far away from the corner of Elm and Houston were you at the time the motorcade came by?
Mr. HUDSON - Oh, I suppose that it's about - the best I can estimate is somewhere about 200 yards, I guess, down Elm and Houston when the motorcade came along - that's about where I was.
Mr. LIEBELER - You were right by where the motorcade came by; is that right?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
This means the Grassy Knoll (GK) was behind him. The comment I am most interested in, and that pertains to this post, is one the WC lawyer led him to by asking him about the railroad yards and whether he thought the shots could have from there.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see anybody standing around there any place with a rifle - on the grassy spot up there near where you were standing or on the overpass or anyplace else?
Mr. HUDSON - I never seen anyone with a gun up there except the patrols.
Mr. LIEBELER - The policemen?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
What did he mean by this comment? What kind of gun was he referring to? A rifle (as the question suggested) or a pistol? Who knows as the WC lawyer just moved on as usual without clarifying this comment at all. IF he meant a rifle, can anyone explain why they would have had one and what the purpose for it was?
Ms. Virgie Rachley, a.k.a. Mrs. Donald Baker, said when she and her friend got to the GK area all they saw was a policeman and some people working.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you say there are some railroad tracks back in there; is that right?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Immediately behind Dealey Plaza away from Elm Street?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And is that where you thought the shots came from?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And when you went down there and looked, did you see anybody at all?
Mrs. BAKER. Just a policeman and several people were down there around the tracks working.
Who would be still working after the shots rang out? The next question floors me.
Mr. LIEBELER. But you didn't see anybody you thought might have been the assassin?
Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.
What would an assassin look like? Why does he think Mrs. Baker would know an assassin if she saw one? What if they were in disguise? The better person to ask would have been the policeman she saw! Did they? Who knows?
By the way, she would discount the TSBD as the source of the sounds she heard.
Mr. LIEBELER. The sounds you heard at the time did not appear to come from the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you look up at the Texas School Book Depository Building at all while you were standing there?
Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. So, you had no occasion to see anybody in any of the windows in that building?
Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.
J.C. White was a DPD officer assigned to the triple underpass area on the day of 11/22/63.
Mr. BALL. Now, on November22. 1963, did you have an assignment?
Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. WHITE. On the triple underpass.
This testimony is supported by Commission Exhibit (CE) 1358 which is a letter that Chief Curry did showing the placement of his men on 11/22/63. (WC defenders are free to use this to explain the cop Rowland saw near the FRONT door of the TSBD.)
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He would testify to NOT seeing the President’s car due to a freight train being in the way of his line of sight.
Mr. BALL. Did you see the President's car come into sight?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir; first time I saw it it has passed, passed under the triple underpass.
Mr. BALL. You were too far away to see it, were you?
Mr. WHITE. There was a freight train traveling. There was a train passing between the location I was standing and the area from which the procession was traveling, and-a big long freight train, and I did not see it.
Mr. BALL. You didn't see the procession?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir.
He would say he heard no shots either.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear any shots?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Didn't?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. All right, now, you heard no sound of no rifle fire or anything?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Freight train was going through at the time? [Leading question by the way]
Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Making noise?
Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir; noisy train.
He would elaborate on this point more in his recap of the event in CE-1358, page 604. He would state the following in his signed statement:
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A Texas and Pacific freight train was traveling North on the railroad tracks between the parade and me. I did not hear the shots. I did not see any of the parade until some motorcycles and a couple of cars out of the parade went West from under the overpass.
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You may wonder what is wrong with this testimony, and you’d be right in wondering that. The problem for J.C. White is that NO train can be found in any photograph of the triple overpass area that shows a train in it as he claimed! Ironically, we owe some gratitude to a story done by Duke Lane [Freeway Man], and posted on John McAdams’ website, as he was trying to show how Ed Hoffman was wrong when he claimed a train passed the overpass just as the shots stopped
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The Train Game. Inexplicably, Ed insists that a train passed over the Triple Underpass immediately after the shooting, and provides graphic details of its having “completely obstructed his view” of the train yards “by the time the President’s limo had passed by” him, an assertion disputed by the photographic record. [EW, 15]
In the Mel McIntyre photo below (next page), taken as the presidential limo was fast approaching the east side of the overpass that Ed says he was standing on, we see that there is no train on the Triple Underpass, nor even one coming into sight at the right, southern-most end of the bridge.
www.jfk-assassination.net/FreeWayman.htm
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If you go to the link and view the McIntyre 1 photo he put in his article you will see his is right, there is NO sign of a train. He even mentions that White made a similar claim.
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It is appropriate to note here that no assassination witness other than DPD Patrolman J.C. White, stationed on the west end of the Triple Underpass, claimed to have seen a train during this time. White claimed that a train was crossing the bridge while the shooting in Dealey Plaza was taking place, and that the first he saw of the motorcade was after it had passed under the Triple Underpass, that is, just moments before McIntyre shot the above photo:
[WC testimony already given that he quotes here]
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He provides further corroboration that NO train was coming or passing by quoting DPD patrolman Joe E. Murphy who said he did NOT see any train.
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From his vantage point directly over the freeway entrance “over Elm,” Murphy – who said that he’d kept the motorcade in sight at all times that he could actually see it – noticed two policemen atop the Triple Underpass, both of whom appeared to him to be facing easterly toward the approaching motorcade; he did not see the train purportedly blocking J.C. White’s view, nor the one detailed by Ed Hoffman. He also could see “about 8 or 10 men dressed in the overalls [who] appeared to be railroad employees.”
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This is a well researched article, and I don’t agree with all of it, but it is worth the read. This brings us to the big question then—why would Officer J.C. White claim a train both blocked his view and deadened his ears to shots when NO train seems to have been passing as he claimed?
Can any WC defender give a reasonable explanation for why a DPD Officer would blatantly lie like this? I know WC defenders have attacked Ed Hoffman over the years, what about J.C. White? What reason could there be for him to claim this when it is clearly NOT true?
It would seem the DPD did quite a few things on 11/22/63 that alone help us to see the official explanation is NOT the correct one. It would seem once again the evidence in the twenty-six volumes sink the WC’s conclusion.
Excerpts from:
Freeway Man
by M. Duke Lane
© 2007 - all rights reserved
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The Warren Commission (WC) made a lot of claims in their long Report, but they did this in contradiction to their OWN evidence in the twenty-six volumes most of the time. The evidence in this case shows the majority of the Dallas Police Department (DPD) officers and the Sheriff’s deputies on the ground reacted to the Grassy Knoll (GK) as being the area where the shots came from. We see this in photographs, films and stills of the event, so why did these witnesses see police officers act in the following manner near and around the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) shortly after the shooting?
***********************************
First of all, when reading this keep in mind what I just posted regarding INSPECTOR Sawyer’s transmissions regarding where the empty rifle hulls were found. Initially it was on the THIRD FLOOR, and then it became the FIFTH floor.
Eyewitness Arnold Rowland was NOT liked by the WC in the least. As we saw in an earlier post he was even INVESTIGATED by the FBI due to his comments. He made more comments that the WC did NOT like. Like this.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you observe any other people either through any other window or hanging out of any other window in the building?
Mr. ROWLAND - There was no one in the fourth floor to my knowledge, to my recollection.
There were what appeared to be secretaries, several young white girls or ladies, standing on the steps of the building in this general area.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating the door of the building.
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Yes.
Mr. ROWLAND - And there was no one else in there, except I think there was a policeman in front of the door on the sidewalk.
Mr. SPECTER - Have you described everybody you have observed, with respect to everybody hanging out the windows?
Mr. ROWLAND - To the best of my recollection.
Specter, slippery as ever, just moves along and does NOT follow-up on this interesting bit of information at all. What would a DPD officer be doing on the sidewalk near the FRONT DOOR of the TSBD BEFORE the shots were fired? Can any WC defender give a reasonable explanation for this or show this officer would have been assigned this duty position?
Let’s look at another witness who had some interesting things to say. Emmett Hudson said he believed the shots came from high up and “from behind like.”
Mr. LIEBELER - But you are quite sure in your own mind that the shots came from the rear of the President's car and above it; is that correct?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you have any idea that they might have come from the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mr. HUDSON - Well, it sounded like it was high, you know, from above and kind of behind like - in other words, to the left.
Mr. LIEBELER - And that would have fit in with the Texas School Book Depository, wouldn't it?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
It should be pointed out too that Hudson wasn't standing in front of the TSBD.
Mr. LIEBELER - Would you tell us where you were on November 22, 1963, at around noon, around the time the Presidential motorcade came by?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I was over there next to that T. & P. Railroad yard where the little toolshed was.
Mr. LIEBELER - What was the nearest intersection to where you were?
Mr. HUDSON - Elm.
Mr. LIEBELER - Elm and What?
Mr. HUDSON - Houston.
Mr. LIEBELER - Elm and Houston?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - How far away from the corner of Elm and Houston were you at the time the motorcade came by?
Mr. HUDSON - Oh, I suppose that it's about - the best I can estimate is somewhere about 200 yards, I guess, down Elm and Houston when the motorcade came along - that's about where I was.
Mr. LIEBELER - You were right by where the motorcade came by; is that right?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
This means the Grassy Knoll (GK) was behind him. The comment I am most interested in, and that pertains to this post, is one the WC lawyer led him to by asking him about the railroad yards and whether he thought the shots could have from there.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see anybody standing around there any place with a rifle - on the grassy spot up there near where you were standing or on the overpass or anyplace else?
Mr. HUDSON - I never seen anyone with a gun up there except the patrols.
Mr. LIEBELER - The policemen?
Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir.
What did he mean by this comment? What kind of gun was he referring to? A rifle (as the question suggested) or a pistol? Who knows as the WC lawyer just moved on as usual without clarifying this comment at all. IF he meant a rifle, can anyone explain why they would have had one and what the purpose for it was?
Ms. Virgie Rachley, a.k.a. Mrs. Donald Baker, said when she and her friend got to the GK area all they saw was a policeman and some people working.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you say there are some railroad tracks back in there; is that right?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Immediately behind Dealey Plaza away from Elm Street?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And is that where you thought the shots came from?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And when you went down there and looked, did you see anybody at all?
Mrs. BAKER. Just a policeman and several people were down there around the tracks working.
Who would be still working after the shots rang out? The next question floors me.
Mr. LIEBELER. But you didn't see anybody you thought might have been the assassin?
Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.
What would an assassin look like? Why does he think Mrs. Baker would know an assassin if she saw one? What if they were in disguise? The better person to ask would have been the policeman she saw! Did they? Who knows?
By the way, she would discount the TSBD as the source of the sounds she heard.
Mr. LIEBELER. The sounds you heard at the time did not appear to come from the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you look up at the Texas School Book Depository Building at all while you were standing there?
Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. So, you had no occasion to see anybody in any of the windows in that building?
Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.
J.C. White was a DPD officer assigned to the triple underpass area on the day of 11/22/63.
Mr. BALL. Now, on November22. 1963, did you have an assignment?
Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. WHITE. On the triple underpass.
This testimony is supported by Commission Exhibit (CE) 1358 which is a letter that Chief Curry did showing the placement of his men on 11/22/63. (WC defenders are free to use this to explain the cop Rowland saw near the FRONT door of the TSBD.)
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pages/WH_Vol22_0313b.gif
He would testify to NOT seeing the President’s car due to a freight train being in the way of his line of sight.
Mr. BALL. Did you see the President's car come into sight?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir; first time I saw it it has passed, passed under the triple underpass.
Mr. BALL. You were too far away to see it, were you?
Mr. WHITE. There was a freight train traveling. There was a train passing between the location I was standing and the area from which the procession was traveling, and-a big long freight train, and I did not see it.
Mr. BALL. You didn't see the procession?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir.
He would say he heard no shots either.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear any shots?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Didn't?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. All right, now, you heard no sound of no rifle fire or anything?
Mr. WHITE. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Freight train was going through at the time? [Leading question by the way]
Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Making noise?
Mr. WHITE. Yes, sir; noisy train.
He would elaborate on this point more in his recap of the event in CE-1358, page 604. He would state the following in his signed statement:
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A Texas and Pacific freight train was traveling North on the railroad tracks between the parade and me. I did not hear the shots. I did not see any of the parade until some motorcycles and a couple of cars out of the parade went West from under the overpass.
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0317b.htm
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You may wonder what is wrong with this testimony, and you’d be right in wondering that. The problem for J.C. White is that NO train can be found in any photograph of the triple overpass area that shows a train in it as he claimed! Ironically, we owe some gratitude to a story done by Duke Lane [Freeway Man], and posted on John McAdams’ website, as he was trying to show how Ed Hoffman was wrong when he claimed a train passed the overpass just as the shots stopped
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The Train Game. Inexplicably, Ed insists that a train passed over the Triple Underpass immediately after the shooting, and provides graphic details of its having “completely obstructed his view” of the train yards “by the time the President’s limo had passed by” him, an assertion disputed by the photographic record. [EW, 15]
In the Mel McIntyre photo below (next page), taken as the presidential limo was fast approaching the east side of the overpass that Ed says he was standing on, we see that there is no train on the Triple Underpass, nor even one coming into sight at the right, southern-most end of the bridge.
www.jfk-assassination.net/FreeWayman.htm
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If you go to the link and view the McIntyre 1 photo he put in his article you will see his is right, there is NO sign of a train. He even mentions that White made a similar claim.
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It is appropriate to note here that no assassination witness other than DPD Patrolman J.C. White, stationed on the west end of the Triple Underpass, claimed to have seen a train during this time. White claimed that a train was crossing the bridge while the shooting in Dealey Plaza was taking place, and that the first he saw of the motorcade was after it had passed under the Triple Underpass, that is, just moments before McIntyre shot the above photo:
[WC testimony already given that he quotes here]
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He provides further corroboration that NO train was coming or passing by quoting DPD patrolman Joe E. Murphy who said he did NOT see any train.
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From his vantage point directly over the freeway entrance “over Elm,” Murphy – who said that he’d kept the motorcade in sight at all times that he could actually see it – noticed two policemen atop the Triple Underpass, both of whom appeared to him to be facing easterly toward the approaching motorcade; he did not see the train purportedly blocking J.C. White’s view, nor the one detailed by Ed Hoffman. He also could see “about 8 or 10 men dressed in the overalls [who] appeared to be railroad employees.”
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This is a well researched article, and I don’t agree with all of it, but it is worth the read. This brings us to the big question then—why would Officer J.C. White claim a train both blocked his view and deadened his ears to shots when NO train seems to have been passing as he claimed?
Can any WC defender give a reasonable explanation for why a DPD Officer would blatantly lie like this? I know WC defenders have attacked Ed Hoffman over the years, what about J.C. White? What reason could there be for him to claim this when it is clearly NOT true?
It would seem the DPD did quite a few things on 11/22/63 that alone help us to see the official explanation is NOT the correct one. It would seem once again the evidence in the twenty-six volumes sink the WC’s conclusion.
Excerpts from:
Freeway Man
by M. Duke Lane
© 2007 - all rights reserved