Post by Rob Caprio on Jan 2, 2023 20:52:27 GMT -5
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In the 1990s by order of the United States Congress the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) was setup to make sure all remaining documents relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) following the demand from American citizens following the release of the film "JFK" by Oliver Stone. And yet, here in 2023 all documents have NOT been released. Why? If a lone gunman did the assassination all alone as claimed, why is this the case?
On August 23, 1977, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) interviewed Dr. Robert F. Karnei, Jr., in relation to his participation in the autopsy of JFK. The ARRB would include this interview in their files for our review.
Dr. Karnei was called to the Admiral's office in the Bethesda Naval Hospital (BNH) at 5:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963. Admiral Calvin Galloway told him when he reported about the autopsy, and that he would not be conducting it as he usually did. Instead, he was told that doctors James Humes and Thorton Boswell would be leading the autopsy (ARRB MD 61, p. 1).
Dr. Karnei told the HSCA that he would normally be the one to perform the autopsy, so why was this decision made? Why didn't they want a competent person performing the autopsy?
He was told that he would be the liaison for various people involved in the autopsy. Here is who he recalled being the autopsy.
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...Dr. Karnei knows that a "...bunch of people that got in I don't remember...He does recall Admirals Kinney and Galloway...possibly the Army Surgeon General, the C.O. of the Washington D.C. Military District...as well as a lot of Secret Service and F.B.I. people who had identification. (Ibid., p.2)
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He told the HSCA that he didn't "...know if any limitations were placed on how the autopsy was to be done." He also said that he didn't know who was running things. (Ibid., p.3) Karnei mentioned when he believed Dr. Pierre Finck arrived at the autopsy.
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Dr. Karnei does not recall how late into the autopsy Dr. Finck arrived, but recalls the other doctors wanted someone with ballistics experience. He believes he came in around 8 o'clock…”a while after they were into the autopsy.” (Ibid., p. 4)
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This time of arrival was corroborated by Dr. Finck himself at the Clay Shaw trial when he testified under oath (real oath subject to a penalty of perjury).
Q: When were these X-rays taken and when were they made available to you?
A: When I arrived at the hospital at approximately 8:00 o'clock at night on the 22nd of November, 1963...
Why is this important? Because Paul O'Connor who received the casket with JFK's body in it (presumably) said that it did NOT arrive until 8 pm.
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O’Connor said that the casket was a pink shipping casket and it arrived at approximately eight o'clock. (ARRB MD 64, P. 2)
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So how could the autopsy be underway when Dr. Finck arrived IF JFK's body hadn't arrived until 8:00 pm? Something doesn't add up here. Dr. Karnei said that he had a feeling that Dr. Humes locked JFK's brain in his office. (Ibid.) He the discussed the probing attempts.
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Dr. Karnei said he was present when probing of the wound was attempted. ("...when they were putting probes through the body.") Dr. Karnei said he was "...not exactly sure..." how successful they were with the probing. He recalls them putting in probes and taking pictures (the body was on the side at the time). He said they felt the wound in the back was a wound of entrance and they where '...trying to figure out where the bullet came out." (MD 61, p. 5)
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From this we see they attempted to probe the "back" (the Warren Commission (WC) claimed this wound was at the "base of the neck") wound, but came away unclear as to where the bullet came out. The whole probe issue is confusing as Dr. James Humes told the ARRB that he didn't recall any probes being done.
Q. Was any probe used at all to track the path—
Humes. I don't recall that there was. There might have been some abortive efforts superficially in the back of the neck, but no. And if there's a standard protocol, I don't know where you'd find it, to tell you the truth.
Dr. Boswell would be asked the same thing by the ARRB.
Q. Is that right?
A. Yes. When we saw the clothing, we realized that where I had drawn this was--if you looked at the back of the coat, it was in the exact same place. But the coat had been--was up like this. He was waving, and this was all scrunched up like this. And the bullet went through the coat way below where this would be on his body, because it was really at the base of his neck. And the way I know this best is my memory of the fact that-- see, we probed this hole which was in his neck with all sorts of probes and everything, and it was such a small hole, basically, and the muscles were so big and strong and had closed the hole and you couldn't get a finger or a probe through it.
But when we opened the chest and we got at--the lung extends up under the clavicle and high just beneath the neck here, and the bullet had not pierced through into the lung cavity but had caused hemorrhage just outside the pleura. And so if I can move this up to here--it's shown better on the front, actually. The wound came through and downward just above the thoracic cavity and out at about the thyroid cartilage. So if you put a probe in this and got it back through like this, that would come out right at the base of the neck.
If this is the case, then why were NO photographs taken of this successful probe to show the bullet entered where the WC claimed and exited out the front of JFK’s neck (throat)? Wait, Dr. Karnei said above that photographs were taken of the probe (standard procedure), so where are they? Clearly IF they showed what Dr. Boswell claimed they showed we would have them, thus, the fact they are nowhere to see means that they didn't show what he claimed they showed. Let's see what Dr. Finck said about a probe attempt.
Q: When you were performing the autopsy of President Kennedy, ]did you make any attempts to track the course of the bullet - that you referred to as the upper back?
A: Yes. That was unsuccessful with a probe from what I remember.
Q: In using the probe, did you attempt to determine the angle of the entrance of the bullet into President Kennedy's body?
A: Yes. It was unsuccessful from what I remember.
He too says the probe was “unsuccessful” and notice how the question pertained to the UPPER BACK and NOT the base of the neck. Could it be that it was unsuccessful because the wound in the upper back only went in a finger length? This shouldn't be a surprise since the January 13, 1964, FBI Supplemental Report stated, in part:
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"Medical examination of the President's body had revealed that the bullet which entered his BACK had penetrated to a distance of less than a finger length." (Commission Document 107 pg. 2)
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Yes, it ONLY went in a finger length! This means the ridiculous Single Bullet Theory (SBT) was impossible. Is this why the photographs taken of the probe are missing in action? I would think so.
Dr. Karnei remembered Dr. Finck working with a probe and arranging for photographs to be taken. (Again, where are these photographs?) (Ibid., p.6) He mentioned that he signed a statement "pledging to remain silent about what he saw and heard for ten years." (Ibid., p.7) Why was this necessary IF everything was done properly and matched what was told to the American public? Only when you are trying to cover-up things is this kind of pledge needed. Especially when he told the ARRB that when the initial 10-year period was ready to expire the time period was extended for another fifteen years. He said he felt this extension came from the Kennedy family via the Surgeon General. Why he felt this wasn't asked.
Dr. Karnei had never been called by the WC so this was the first time he was asked about the events of the autopsy. He unfortunately doesn't offer a lot of good information, but he gives us a few important points that still need answers.
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In the 1990s by order of the United States Congress the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) was setup to make sure all remaining documents relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) following the demand from American citizens following the release of the film "JFK" by Oliver Stone. And yet, here in 2023 all documents have NOT been released. Why? If a lone gunman did the assassination all alone as claimed, why is this the case?
On August 23, 1977, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) interviewed Dr. Robert F. Karnei, Jr., in relation to his participation in the autopsy of JFK. The ARRB would include this interview in their files for our review.
Dr. Karnei was called to the Admiral's office in the Bethesda Naval Hospital (BNH) at 5:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963. Admiral Calvin Galloway told him when he reported about the autopsy, and that he would not be conducting it as he usually did. Instead, he was told that doctors James Humes and Thorton Boswell would be leading the autopsy (ARRB MD 61, p. 1).
Dr. Karnei told the HSCA that he would normally be the one to perform the autopsy, so why was this decision made? Why didn't they want a competent person performing the autopsy?
He was told that he would be the liaison for various people involved in the autopsy. Here is who he recalled being the autopsy.
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...Dr. Karnei knows that a "...bunch of people that got in I don't remember...He does recall Admirals Kinney and Galloway...possibly the Army Surgeon General, the C.O. of the Washington D.C. Military District...as well as a lot of Secret Service and F.B.I. people who had identification. (Ibid., p.2)
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He told the HSCA that he didn't "...know if any limitations were placed on how the autopsy was to be done." He also said that he didn't know who was running things. (Ibid., p.3) Karnei mentioned when he believed Dr. Pierre Finck arrived at the autopsy.
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Dr. Karnei does not recall how late into the autopsy Dr. Finck arrived, but recalls the other doctors wanted someone with ballistics experience. He believes he came in around 8 o'clock…”a while after they were into the autopsy.” (Ibid., p. 4)
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This time of arrival was corroborated by Dr. Finck himself at the Clay Shaw trial when he testified under oath (real oath subject to a penalty of perjury).
Q: When were these X-rays taken and when were they made available to you?
A: When I arrived at the hospital at approximately 8:00 o'clock at night on the 22nd of November, 1963...
Why is this important? Because Paul O'Connor who received the casket with JFK's body in it (presumably) said that it did NOT arrive until 8 pm.
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O’Connor said that the casket was a pink shipping casket and it arrived at approximately eight o'clock. (ARRB MD 64, P. 2)
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So how could the autopsy be underway when Dr. Finck arrived IF JFK's body hadn't arrived until 8:00 pm? Something doesn't add up here. Dr. Karnei said that he had a feeling that Dr. Humes locked JFK's brain in his office. (Ibid.) He the discussed the probing attempts.
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Dr. Karnei said he was present when probing of the wound was attempted. ("...when they were putting probes through the body.") Dr. Karnei said he was "...not exactly sure..." how successful they were with the probing. He recalls them putting in probes and taking pictures (the body was on the side at the time). He said they felt the wound in the back was a wound of entrance and they where '...trying to figure out where the bullet came out." (MD 61, p. 5)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=325#relPageId=5
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From this we see they attempted to probe the "back" (the Warren Commission (WC) claimed this wound was at the "base of the neck") wound, but came away unclear as to where the bullet came out. The whole probe issue is confusing as Dr. James Humes told the ARRB that he didn't recall any probes being done.
Q. Was any probe used at all to track the path—
Humes. I don't recall that there was. There might have been some abortive efforts superficially in the back of the neck, but no. And if there's a standard protocol, I don't know where you'd find it, to tell you the truth.
Dr. Boswell would be asked the same thing by the ARRB.
Q. Is that right?
A. Yes. When we saw the clothing, we realized that where I had drawn this was--if you looked at the back of the coat, it was in the exact same place. But the coat had been--was up like this. He was waving, and this was all scrunched up like this. And the bullet went through the coat way below where this would be on his body, because it was really at the base of his neck. And the way I know this best is my memory of the fact that-- see, we probed this hole which was in his neck with all sorts of probes and everything, and it was such a small hole, basically, and the muscles were so big and strong and had closed the hole and you couldn't get a finger or a probe through it.
But when we opened the chest and we got at--the lung extends up under the clavicle and high just beneath the neck here, and the bullet had not pierced through into the lung cavity but had caused hemorrhage just outside the pleura. And so if I can move this up to here--it's shown better on the front, actually. The wound came through and downward just above the thoracic cavity and out at about the thyroid cartilage. So if you put a probe in this and got it back through like this, that would come out right at the base of the neck.
If this is the case, then why were NO photographs taken of this successful probe to show the bullet entered where the WC claimed and exited out the front of JFK’s neck (throat)? Wait, Dr. Karnei said above that photographs were taken of the probe (standard procedure), so where are they? Clearly IF they showed what Dr. Boswell claimed they showed we would have them, thus, the fact they are nowhere to see means that they didn't show what he claimed they showed. Let's see what Dr. Finck said about a probe attempt.
Q: When you were performing the autopsy of President Kennedy, ]did you make any attempts to track the course of the bullet - that you referred to as the upper back?
A: Yes. That was unsuccessful with a probe from what I remember.
Q: In using the probe, did you attempt to determine the angle of the entrance of the bullet into President Kennedy's body?
A: Yes. It was unsuccessful from what I remember.
He too says the probe was “unsuccessful” and notice how the question pertained to the UPPER BACK and NOT the base of the neck. Could it be that it was unsuccessful because the wound in the upper back only went in a finger length? This shouldn't be a surprise since the January 13, 1964, FBI Supplemental Report stated, in part:
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"Medical examination of the President's body had revealed that the bullet which entered his BACK had penetrated to a distance of less than a finger length." (Commission Document 107 pg. 2)
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Yes, it ONLY went in a finger length! This means the ridiculous Single Bullet Theory (SBT) was impossible. Is this why the photographs taken of the probe are missing in action? I would think so.
Dr. Karnei remembered Dr. Finck working with a probe and arranging for photographs to be taken. (Again, where are these photographs?) (Ibid., p.6) He mentioned that he signed a statement "pledging to remain silent about what he saw and heard for ten years." (Ibid., p.7) Why was this necessary IF everything was done properly and matched what was told to the American public? Only when you are trying to cover-up things is this kind of pledge needed. Especially when he told the ARRB that when the initial 10-year period was ready to expire the time period was extended for another fifteen years. He said he felt this extension came from the Kennedy family via the Surgeon General. Why he felt this wasn't asked.
Dr. Karnei had never been called by the WC so this was the first time he was asked about the events of the autopsy. He unfortunately doesn't offer a lot of good information, but he gives us a few important points that still need answers.