Post by Rob Caprio on May 5, 2023 20:02:02 GMT -5
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We have been told for nearly sixty years that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) said this or that while being interrogated by the Dallas Police Department (DPD) from November 22-24, 1963. Researcher Mae Brussell even put together his "last words" from these sessions many years ago, but was any of this ever said by LHO?
For people with doubts about the official conclusion in totality (CTers), it is surprising how much we have taken with a grain of salt in this case without too much questioning or any at all. Remember the rifle order? For decades many CTers bought the claim that LHO ordered the alleged murder weapon, Commission Exhibit (CE) 139, without any doubt (and a good number still do), but that is totally false. IF LHO ordered any rifle, and that is highly questionable, he would have ordered a 36" Carbine which is NOT the same as the CE 139 (40" Short Rifle). Why did so many CTers buy this for so long? Ditto LHO's supposed trip to Mexico City. Ditto many other things.
The point s NOTHING in this case is a sure thing, therefore, we have to question everything. LHO knew his rights. We know this because of DPD witness Gerald Hill.
Mr. BELIN. Did you hear that with your own ears? That you can remember?
Mr. HILL. No, sir; not as a distinguishable specific "This is it," no. As much confusion and all going on, I didn't distinguish that. Now if we can back up a little bit to where we made the, got him handcuffed in the theatre, before we started moving out with him, he started, Oswald or the suspect at this point, we didn't know who he was, so we will keep on calling him the suspect, started making statements about "I want a lawyer. I know my rights. Typical police brutality. Why are you doing this to me."
And as we continued to move him down the aisle out to the aisle dividing the two sections, out into the lobby of the theatre, he began yelling words similar to, "Typical police brutality."
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This informs us of the fact that LHO knew his rights. LNers have argued the fact that the Miranda law had not been passed yet (police having to inform suspects of their rights), but that is a moot point as our rights go back to the founding of this country. LHO knew what they were and one of them was keeping SILENT. Based on the fact that the DPD refused to provide him with an attorney (a right), why in the world would he talk a lot to them when he knew that he did NOT have to? Furthermore, I have challenged, to no avail, LNers to provide a signed waiver of these rights for decades. They cannot do it because it never happened.
Following the rights was NOT just good for the suspect, but equally important for the authorities because they couldn't use anything LHO told them IF his rights were violated in a court of law! We know this because they told Jack Ruby about this caveat when he was on trial later on for killing LHO.
I wrote this back in 2006, but keep all of this in mind when you read it. Ask yourself, did LHO say anything when he didn't have to? My guess is he said very little.
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The most famous comment LHO would allegedly make during his 48 hours or so of captivity is "I'm just a patsy!" What this actually means has been debated for nearly 60 years by the single assassin buffs (LNers) and the conspiracy theorists (CTers). The LNers say it is just a cover for the fact he was solely guilty for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and the killing of Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT). The CTers say he was either totally innocent; he was involved in some fashion, or he was a hero because he tried to stop the assassination from succeeding.
The physical evidence clearly shows LHO was NOT the man who shot either JFK or JDT, so what was his role in the whole plot anyway?
Why was LHO NOT scared, angry or nervous when he was arrested? If his demeanor is a guide to his frame of mind then he was not upset or worried at all. Why? Wouldn't most people be very upset and worried?
As he was being driven to the police station, the detectives who were with him in the car noted his uncanny serenity. C.T.Walker said, "He was real calm. He was extra calm. He wasn't a bit excited or nervous or anything." (VII, p. 41)
Sgt. Gerald Hill said, "He gave the appearance of arrogance, but he did not talk boastfully. In fact, he talked very little. This was one of the things that stuck out most about him in my mind, was how quiet he did keep." He did, however, protest his arrest. He said, "I don't know why you are treating me like this. The only thing I have done was carry a pistol in a movie."
"Yes, sir, you have done a lot more. You have killed a policeman."
With absolutely no emotion, he said, "Well, you can only fry for that."
"Maybe you will get a chance to find out."
"Well, I understand it only takes a minute."
Someone asked, "Why did you kill the officer?"
He did not answer. He was asked other questions, but he refused to respond to any of them. He just sat in silence for the rest of the way.
When they had arrived at the station, the detectives got the suspect out of the car and formed a wedge around him, guiding him through the crowded basement. Sgt. Hill suggested to him that he could hide his face if he wanted to. He said, "Why should I hide my face? I haven't done anything to be ashamed of." (VII, pp. 58-61)
Detective Walker took him to a small room in the homicide office. After they had both sat down, Walker began by asking him, "Did you kill the officer, because you were scared of being arrested for something?"
"I am not scared of anything. Do I look scared now?" (VII, p. 41)
Thus, began more than twelve hours of interrogation, which extended over two days. Not one note or recording was made according to the DPD during this time. This sounds totally unreasonable to me. The only way it doesn't is if you consider the fact that LHO knew his rights and refused to talk without a lawyer. Keep in mind, that despite numerous requests for a lawyer the authorities NEVER provided one for him. The ONLY people who said LHO said anything were the DPD, the FBI, FBI informant Postal Inspector Harry Holmes and the Secret Service (SS) so we have to take this with a grain of salt.
Those who saw and allegedly heard him noticed that he kept his cool throughout the weekend. Detective Richard Sims said, "He conducted himself, I believe, better than anyone I have ever seen during interrogation. He was calm and wasn't nervous." (VII, p. 180)
Postal Inspector Harry Holmes said, "Oswald was quite composed." (VII, p. 297)
And Detective James Leavelle said, "He was in control of himself at all times. In fact, he struck me as a man who enjoyed the situation immensely and was enjoying the publicity and everything was coming his way." (VII, p. 269)
The consistency of these impressions shows that he was neither frightened nor dismayed by the circumstances he found himself in. Again, this is NOT normal for the average person. LHO had to have received training for situations like this at some point.
Captain Will Fritz would say LHO seemed to have experience in the art of police interrogation methods: "I noted that in questioning him that he did answer very quickly, and I asked him if he had ever been questioned before, and he told me that he had. He was questioned one time for a long time by the FBI after he returned from Russia. He said they used different methods, they tried the hard and soft, and the buddy method and said he was very familiar with interrogation." (WCR, p. 606)
Yet his shrewd performance in the homicide office indicates that he was far more familiar with the techniques of interrogation than simply having experienced it at the hands of the FBI. Those who watched him noticed his ability at adroitly countering the best efforts of police officials to put him off balance. At least two high-ranking law enforcement officials suspected that he had been programmed with situation-specific training. Former Police Chief Jesse Curry told author Anthony Summers in 1977, "One would think Oswald had been trained in interrogation techniques and resisting interrogation techniques."
To the same author, D.A. William Alexander had this to say: "I was amazed that a person so young would have had the self-control he had. It was almost as if he had been rehearsed or programmed to meet the situation he found himself in." (Anthony Summers, Conspiracy (McGraw-Hill, 1980), p. 128.)
That he knew what to say to his interrogators is indicated by the fact that he could respond to questions as quickly as they were formulated. This was not a sporadic capability, but rather he could do it consistently with every question that was put to him. To those watching him, it must have been a fascination tour de force. Detective Boyd said, "I never saw another man just exactly like him...just as soon as you would ask him a question, he would just give you the answer right back -- he didn't hesitate about his answers. I mean as
soon as you would pop him a question, he would shoot you an answer right back and like I said, I never saw a man that could answer questions like he did." (VII, p. 135)
According to L.C.Graves, "He was quick to answer and quick to make a remark when he was spoken to or asked a question...He is sharp when it comes to talking to the men. He listened to everything, everybody he saw, and he had an answer by the time you got through asking him...He didn't hung for words, didn't hesitate at all." (VII, pp. 259-260)
Leavelle said, "He did always smile and never hesitated for an answer, always had an answer." (VII, p. 269)
And Sims said, "He had the answers ready when you got through with the questions." (VII, p. 180) According to FBI Agent Bookhout, "Anytime you asked a question that would be pertinent to the investigation, that would be the type of question he would refuse to discuss." (VII, p. 310)
And Captain Will Fritz said, "Every time I asked him a question that meant something, that would produce evidence, he immediately told me he wouldn't tell me about it and he seemed to anticipate what I was going to ask." (IV, p. 239)
One of the last to hear him speak before he died was Harry Holmes, who wrote, "Oswald at no time appeared confused or in doubt as to whether or not he should answer a question. On the contrary, he was quite alert and showed no hesitancy in answering those question which he wanted to answer and was quite skillful in parrying those questions which he did not want to answer. I got the impression that he had disciplined his mind and reflexes to a state where I personally doubted if he would ever have confessed." (WC Report, p. 633)
The only time LHO seemed to have lost control during the whole weekend was when Roger Craig came in to Captain Will Fritz' office regarding an ID. Craig had said he saw LHO leave the Texas School Book Depository Building (TSBD) in a Nash Rambler station wagon shortly after the shooting. When LHO was confronted with this accusation he became visibly shaken. LHO groaned "Everybody will know me now," and then Craig was escorted out of the office. What happened inside after he left can only be imagined. Whoever was in charge of damage control must have had his hands full trying to prevent this unexpected difficulty from escalating into a crisis. Somehow it was accomplished by bolstering Oswald's original story of leaving the Book Depository in a bus (which was not true) and by impugning Craig's integrity. This required the cooperation not only of Oswald, but also of the Dallas Police.
What about the alias Hidell? The police would never mention it publicly until the day after the assassination (when the FBI said a Mannlicher-Carcano was ordered by a A. Hidell) as they said his only alias was O.H. Lee. They would say there was a card in his wallet at the time of his arrest that said "Alek Hidell" on it, but LHO denied all knowledge of it. When he was brought into the station, one of the first to interview him was Gus F. Rose. He asked for the suspect's name, and the man said, "Hidell." As Rose examined his identification cards, he saw one card that had the name "Alek Hidell" and another that had "Lee Oswald." Which one was correct? he asked.
The suspect replied, "You're the cop. You figure it out." (Edward Oxford, "Destiny in Dallas," American History Illustrated, p.22.)
In the final interrogation session, Holmes asked him if he received any mail or packages addressed to A.J. Hidell.
"No, absolutely not."
"Had one come under that name, could this fellow have gotten it?"
"Nobody got mail out of that box but me; no, sir, maybe my wife, but I couldn't say for sure whether my wife ever got mail, but it is possible she could have."
"Well, who is A. J. Hidell?"
"I don't know any such person."
Captain Will Fritz interrupted and said, "What about this card we got out of your billfold? This draft registration card where it shows A.J. Hidell." (There is no evidence that shows the DPD ever took a wallet off of LHO, therefore, anything supposedly from it is fruit from the same poisonous tree.)
LHO flared up angrily, "Now I have told you all I am going to tell you about the card in my billfold. You have the card yourself, and you know as much about it as I do." (VII, p. 299)
It was Saturday afternoon when Robert Oswald finally got through the red tape in order to see his brother. He was escorted to a cubicle that had a telephone and a glass window. Presently LHO came out and sat in the opposite cubicle. He motioned to his brother to pick up the phone. In a calm voice, Robert heard him say, "This is taped" -- a warning to be cautious in their conversation. After some discussion of various personal matters, Robert asked bluntly, "Lee, what in Sam Hill is going on?"
"I don't know," he said.
"You don't know? Look, they've got your pistol, they've got your gun, they've got you charged with shooting the President and a police officer. And you tell me you don't know what is going on?" (LHO was never LEGALLY arraigned for either crime.)
He stiffened and straightened up, and his facial expression was suddenly very tight: "I just don't know what they're talking about," he said firmly and deliberately. "Don't believe all this so-called evidence." (Robert L. Oswald, Lee: A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald by His Brother (NY: Coward-McCann, 1967), pp. 143-144.)
LHO's contempt for the "so-called evidence" (and it was worthless) was in stark contrast to the optimistic assessment of police officials, who told the news media that they were building a solid case against LHO. When asked about the rifle found in the TSBD, LHO denied that he ever purchased it or had it in his possession. He also denied that the paper sack he allegedly carried to work contained a rifle. The only sack he carried to work was the one that contained his lunch.
Another item of evidence that did not impress him was a road map which had a mark at Houston and Elm. He said, "Don't tell me there's a mark near where this thing happened." Fritz asked him to explain the mark, and he said, "What about the other marks on the map? -- I put a number of marks on it. I was looking for work and marked the places where I went for jobs or where I heard there was a job." (WCR, p. 630) This map would be shown later on to be just that -- a map of places to apply for work to. It served its purpose though as the authorities used it to make LHO look guilty.
LHO's continuation of his Marxist pretenses after he was brought into custody is an indication that he was not a hostile patsy with the potential of saying or doing things that could defeat the cover-up. In fact, his part in securing the plot from exposure was so indispensable, that he might be considered the lynchpin of the conspiracy. No doubt he believed that the critically flawed evidence and conflicting eyewitness statements would get him off the hook. When he cried out "I'm just a patsy!" he may have been merely pretending to be the victim of treachery or entrapment. It is a matter of irony that he probably was double-crossed anyway. He became a genuine patsy, when the plot against his life came to fruition in the basement of the Dallas Police Headquarters. The man who thought that he could fool the world never realized that he himself could be fooled.
None of this proves that LHO shot and killed JFK and JDT, but the authorities knew that. In my opinion LHO knew too and that is why he never said anything. Most of these supposed comments were made up in all likelihood. LHO probably did comment on the evidence and how it was not proof of anything, but I doubt he talked for twelve hours without a lawyer. No way. He knew his rights. That is why there were NO recordings or stenography produced.
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We have been told for nearly sixty years that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) said this or that while being interrogated by the Dallas Police Department (DPD) from November 22-24, 1963. Researcher Mae Brussell even put together his "last words" from these sessions many years ago, but was any of this ever said by LHO?
For people with doubts about the official conclusion in totality (CTers), it is surprising how much we have taken with a grain of salt in this case without too much questioning or any at all. Remember the rifle order? For decades many CTers bought the claim that LHO ordered the alleged murder weapon, Commission Exhibit (CE) 139, without any doubt (and a good number still do), but that is totally false. IF LHO ordered any rifle, and that is highly questionable, he would have ordered a 36" Carbine which is NOT the same as the CE 139 (40" Short Rifle). Why did so many CTers buy this for so long? Ditto LHO's supposed trip to Mexico City. Ditto many other things.
The point s NOTHING in this case is a sure thing, therefore, we have to question everything. LHO knew his rights. We know this because of DPD witness Gerald Hill.
Mr. BELIN. Did you hear that with your own ears? That you can remember?
Mr. HILL. No, sir; not as a distinguishable specific "This is it," no. As much confusion and all going on, I didn't distinguish that. Now if we can back up a little bit to where we made the, got him handcuffed in the theatre, before we started moving out with him, he started, Oswald or the suspect at this point, we didn't know who he was, so we will keep on calling him the suspect, started making statements about "I want a lawyer. I know my rights. Typical police brutality. Why are you doing this to me."
And as we continued to move him down the aisle out to the aisle dividing the two sections, out into the lobby of the theatre, he began yelling words similar to, "Typical police brutality."
i.servimg.com/u/f78/19/52/40/87/img_9110.jpg
This informs us of the fact that LHO knew his rights. LNers have argued the fact that the Miranda law had not been passed yet (police having to inform suspects of their rights), but that is a moot point as our rights go back to the founding of this country. LHO knew what they were and one of them was keeping SILENT. Based on the fact that the DPD refused to provide him with an attorney (a right), why in the world would he talk a lot to them when he knew that he did NOT have to? Furthermore, I have challenged, to no avail, LNers to provide a signed waiver of these rights for decades. They cannot do it because it never happened.
Following the rights was NOT just good for the suspect, but equally important for the authorities because they couldn't use anything LHO told them IF his rights were violated in a court of law! We know this because they told Jack Ruby about this caveat when he was on trial later on for killing LHO.
I wrote this back in 2006, but keep all of this in mind when you read it. Ask yourself, did LHO say anything when he didn't have to? My guess is he said very little.
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The most famous comment LHO would allegedly make during his 48 hours or so of captivity is "I'm just a patsy!" What this actually means has been debated for nearly 60 years by the single assassin buffs (LNers) and the conspiracy theorists (CTers). The LNers say it is just a cover for the fact he was solely guilty for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and the killing of Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT). The CTers say he was either totally innocent; he was involved in some fashion, or he was a hero because he tried to stop the assassination from succeeding.
The physical evidence clearly shows LHO was NOT the man who shot either JFK or JDT, so what was his role in the whole plot anyway?
Why was LHO NOT scared, angry or nervous when he was arrested? If his demeanor is a guide to his frame of mind then he was not upset or worried at all. Why? Wouldn't most people be very upset and worried?
As he was being driven to the police station, the detectives who were with him in the car noted his uncanny serenity. C.T.Walker said, "He was real calm. He was extra calm. He wasn't a bit excited or nervous or anything." (VII, p. 41)
Sgt. Gerald Hill said, "He gave the appearance of arrogance, but he did not talk boastfully. In fact, he talked very little. This was one of the things that stuck out most about him in my mind, was how quiet he did keep." He did, however, protest his arrest. He said, "I don't know why you are treating me like this. The only thing I have done was carry a pistol in a movie."
"Yes, sir, you have done a lot more. You have killed a policeman."
With absolutely no emotion, he said, "Well, you can only fry for that."
"Maybe you will get a chance to find out."
"Well, I understand it only takes a minute."
Someone asked, "Why did you kill the officer?"
He did not answer. He was asked other questions, but he refused to respond to any of them. He just sat in silence for the rest of the way.
When they had arrived at the station, the detectives got the suspect out of the car and formed a wedge around him, guiding him through the crowded basement. Sgt. Hill suggested to him that he could hide his face if he wanted to. He said, "Why should I hide my face? I haven't done anything to be ashamed of." (VII, pp. 58-61)
Detective Walker took him to a small room in the homicide office. After they had both sat down, Walker began by asking him, "Did you kill the officer, because you were scared of being arrested for something?"
"I am not scared of anything. Do I look scared now?" (VII, p. 41)
Thus, began more than twelve hours of interrogation, which extended over two days. Not one note or recording was made according to the DPD during this time. This sounds totally unreasonable to me. The only way it doesn't is if you consider the fact that LHO knew his rights and refused to talk without a lawyer. Keep in mind, that despite numerous requests for a lawyer the authorities NEVER provided one for him. The ONLY people who said LHO said anything were the DPD, the FBI, FBI informant Postal Inspector Harry Holmes and the Secret Service (SS) so we have to take this with a grain of salt.
Those who saw and allegedly heard him noticed that he kept his cool throughout the weekend. Detective Richard Sims said, "He conducted himself, I believe, better than anyone I have ever seen during interrogation. He was calm and wasn't nervous." (VII, p. 180)
Postal Inspector Harry Holmes said, "Oswald was quite composed." (VII, p. 297)
And Detective James Leavelle said, "He was in control of himself at all times. In fact, he struck me as a man who enjoyed the situation immensely and was enjoying the publicity and everything was coming his way." (VII, p. 269)
The consistency of these impressions shows that he was neither frightened nor dismayed by the circumstances he found himself in. Again, this is NOT normal for the average person. LHO had to have received training for situations like this at some point.
Captain Will Fritz would say LHO seemed to have experience in the art of police interrogation methods: "I noted that in questioning him that he did answer very quickly, and I asked him if he had ever been questioned before, and he told me that he had. He was questioned one time for a long time by the FBI after he returned from Russia. He said they used different methods, they tried the hard and soft, and the buddy method and said he was very familiar with interrogation." (WCR, p. 606)
Yet his shrewd performance in the homicide office indicates that he was far more familiar with the techniques of interrogation than simply having experienced it at the hands of the FBI. Those who watched him noticed his ability at adroitly countering the best efforts of police officials to put him off balance. At least two high-ranking law enforcement officials suspected that he had been programmed with situation-specific training. Former Police Chief Jesse Curry told author Anthony Summers in 1977, "One would think Oswald had been trained in interrogation techniques and resisting interrogation techniques."
To the same author, D.A. William Alexander had this to say: "I was amazed that a person so young would have had the self-control he had. It was almost as if he had been rehearsed or programmed to meet the situation he found himself in." (Anthony Summers, Conspiracy (McGraw-Hill, 1980), p. 128.)
That he knew what to say to his interrogators is indicated by the fact that he could respond to questions as quickly as they were formulated. This was not a sporadic capability, but rather he could do it consistently with every question that was put to him. To those watching him, it must have been a fascination tour de force. Detective Boyd said, "I never saw another man just exactly like him...just as soon as you would ask him a question, he would just give you the answer right back -- he didn't hesitate about his answers. I mean as
soon as you would pop him a question, he would shoot you an answer right back and like I said, I never saw a man that could answer questions like he did." (VII, p. 135)
According to L.C.Graves, "He was quick to answer and quick to make a remark when he was spoken to or asked a question...He is sharp when it comes to talking to the men. He listened to everything, everybody he saw, and he had an answer by the time you got through asking him...He didn't hung for words, didn't hesitate at all." (VII, pp. 259-260)
Leavelle said, "He did always smile and never hesitated for an answer, always had an answer." (VII, p. 269)
And Sims said, "He had the answers ready when you got through with the questions." (VII, p. 180) According to FBI Agent Bookhout, "Anytime you asked a question that would be pertinent to the investigation, that would be the type of question he would refuse to discuss." (VII, p. 310)
And Captain Will Fritz said, "Every time I asked him a question that meant something, that would produce evidence, he immediately told me he wouldn't tell me about it and he seemed to anticipate what I was going to ask." (IV, p. 239)
One of the last to hear him speak before he died was Harry Holmes, who wrote, "Oswald at no time appeared confused or in doubt as to whether or not he should answer a question. On the contrary, he was quite alert and showed no hesitancy in answering those question which he wanted to answer and was quite skillful in parrying those questions which he did not want to answer. I got the impression that he had disciplined his mind and reflexes to a state where I personally doubted if he would ever have confessed." (WC Report, p. 633)
The only time LHO seemed to have lost control during the whole weekend was when Roger Craig came in to Captain Will Fritz' office regarding an ID. Craig had said he saw LHO leave the Texas School Book Depository Building (TSBD) in a Nash Rambler station wagon shortly after the shooting. When LHO was confronted with this accusation he became visibly shaken. LHO groaned "Everybody will know me now," and then Craig was escorted out of the office. What happened inside after he left can only be imagined. Whoever was in charge of damage control must have had his hands full trying to prevent this unexpected difficulty from escalating into a crisis. Somehow it was accomplished by bolstering Oswald's original story of leaving the Book Depository in a bus (which was not true) and by impugning Craig's integrity. This required the cooperation not only of Oswald, but also of the Dallas Police.
What about the alias Hidell? The police would never mention it publicly until the day after the assassination (when the FBI said a Mannlicher-Carcano was ordered by a A. Hidell) as they said his only alias was O.H. Lee. They would say there was a card in his wallet at the time of his arrest that said "Alek Hidell" on it, but LHO denied all knowledge of it. When he was brought into the station, one of the first to interview him was Gus F. Rose. He asked for the suspect's name, and the man said, "Hidell." As Rose examined his identification cards, he saw one card that had the name "Alek Hidell" and another that had "Lee Oswald." Which one was correct? he asked.
The suspect replied, "You're the cop. You figure it out." (Edward Oxford, "Destiny in Dallas," American History Illustrated, p.22.)
In the final interrogation session, Holmes asked him if he received any mail or packages addressed to A.J. Hidell.
"No, absolutely not."
"Had one come under that name, could this fellow have gotten it?"
"Nobody got mail out of that box but me; no, sir, maybe my wife, but I couldn't say for sure whether my wife ever got mail, but it is possible she could have."
"Well, who is A. J. Hidell?"
"I don't know any such person."
Captain Will Fritz interrupted and said, "What about this card we got out of your billfold? This draft registration card where it shows A.J. Hidell." (There is no evidence that shows the DPD ever took a wallet off of LHO, therefore, anything supposedly from it is fruit from the same poisonous tree.)
LHO flared up angrily, "Now I have told you all I am going to tell you about the card in my billfold. You have the card yourself, and you know as much about it as I do." (VII, p. 299)
It was Saturday afternoon when Robert Oswald finally got through the red tape in order to see his brother. He was escorted to a cubicle that had a telephone and a glass window. Presently LHO came out and sat in the opposite cubicle. He motioned to his brother to pick up the phone. In a calm voice, Robert heard him say, "This is taped" -- a warning to be cautious in their conversation. After some discussion of various personal matters, Robert asked bluntly, "Lee, what in Sam Hill is going on?"
"I don't know," he said.
"You don't know? Look, they've got your pistol, they've got your gun, they've got you charged with shooting the President and a police officer. And you tell me you don't know what is going on?" (LHO was never LEGALLY arraigned for either crime.)
He stiffened and straightened up, and his facial expression was suddenly very tight: "I just don't know what they're talking about," he said firmly and deliberately. "Don't believe all this so-called evidence." (Robert L. Oswald, Lee: A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald by His Brother (NY: Coward-McCann, 1967), pp. 143-144.)
LHO's contempt for the "so-called evidence" (and it was worthless) was in stark contrast to the optimistic assessment of police officials, who told the news media that they were building a solid case against LHO. When asked about the rifle found in the TSBD, LHO denied that he ever purchased it or had it in his possession. He also denied that the paper sack he allegedly carried to work contained a rifle. The only sack he carried to work was the one that contained his lunch.
Another item of evidence that did not impress him was a road map which had a mark at Houston and Elm. He said, "Don't tell me there's a mark near where this thing happened." Fritz asked him to explain the mark, and he said, "What about the other marks on the map? -- I put a number of marks on it. I was looking for work and marked the places where I went for jobs or where I heard there was a job." (WCR, p. 630) This map would be shown later on to be just that -- a map of places to apply for work to. It served its purpose though as the authorities used it to make LHO look guilty.
LHO's continuation of his Marxist pretenses after he was brought into custody is an indication that he was not a hostile patsy with the potential of saying or doing things that could defeat the cover-up. In fact, his part in securing the plot from exposure was so indispensable, that he might be considered the lynchpin of the conspiracy. No doubt he believed that the critically flawed evidence and conflicting eyewitness statements would get him off the hook. When he cried out "I'm just a patsy!" he may have been merely pretending to be the victim of treachery or entrapment. It is a matter of irony that he probably was double-crossed anyway. He became a genuine patsy, when the plot against his life came to fruition in the basement of the Dallas Police Headquarters. The man who thought that he could fool the world never realized that he himself could be fooled.
None of this proves that LHO shot and killed JFK and JDT, but the authorities knew that. In my opinion LHO knew too and that is why he never said anything. Most of these supposed comments were made up in all likelihood. LHO probably did comment on the evidence and how it was not proof of anything, but I doubt he talked for twelve hours without a lawyer. No way. He knew his rights. That is why there were NO recordings or stenography produced.