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A photograph that may perhaps show the elusive Connie Trammel:
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[Disclaimer Note: This post is not meant to accuse anyone. It is rather an attempt to use the limited evidence that we have access to in order to try and figure out what was going on during November 21-22, 1963. A real investigation would have examined this evidence in an attempt to see where it went, if anywhere, but this never occurred. There could be benign reasons for these actions as well. This post is just an opinion and NOT an indictment of guilt. Each person needs to decide for themself if this is pertinent or not. It is highly interesting however and deserved to be included in this series.]
The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) assassinated President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on November 22, 1963, all by himself. They further stated that he had no assistance from anyone or any group in his successful assassination.
This post will look at some odd incidents that cannot be fully explained with supporting evidence (something this series usually avoids) but are so intriguing that it is worth examining.
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The mention of a woman being present in three key places on November 22, 1963, has intrigued me for many years. The first mention came in regard to the statement Roy Milton Jones gave to the FBI on March 30, 1964. In it he stated the following.
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Jones advised that before the bus was stopped the driver made his last passenger pickup approximately six blocks before Houston Street, that one was a blonde-haired woman and the other was a dark-haired man. He said the man sat in the seat directly behind him and the woman occupied the seat further to the rear of the bus. Jones advised that when the bus was stopped by traffic, and prior to the appearance of the police officers, the woman left the bus by the rear door and the man who was sitting behind him left the door by the front door while it was held up in the middle of the block. (Commission Exhibit (CE) 2641, p. 2)
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Of course in this statement the FBI reported that the man was supposedly LHO according to Jones, but this was later shown to be incorrect. Neither Jones or the bus driver, Cecil McWatters, would say the man in question was LHO. The point of this post is not the man, but rather the woman that Jones mentioned. One could say, why? She isn't important. But, how do we know that? I have researched this case for decades and I realize one thing for sure -- nothing is known for sure beyond there was a conspiracy and LHO did not shoot anyone. Beyond that everything is open for discussion in my opinion.
This woman was important enough for Jones to mention a number of times and she seemed to be working in conjunction with the man as they entered at the same time and left at the same time. Coincidence? In this case there are no coincidences.
In his testimony McWatters said this about the woman in question.
Mr. BALL - Do you remember what he said to you when he asked you for the transfer?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, the reason I recall the incident, I had--there was a lady that when I stopped in this traffic, there was a lady who had a suitcase and she said, "I have got to make a 1 o'clock train at Union Station," and she said, "I don't believe from the looks of this traffic you are going to be held up."
She said, "Would you give me a transfer and I am going to walk on down," which is about from where I was at that time about 7 or 8 blocks to Union Station and she asked me if I would give her a transfer in case I did get through the traffic if I would pick her up on the way.
So, I said, "I sure will." So I gave her a transfer and opened the door and as she was going out the gentleman I had picked up about 2 blocks asked for a transfer and got off at the same place in the middle of the block where the lady did.
Mr. BALL - Where was that near, what intersection?
Mr. McWATTERS - It was the intersection near Lamar Street, it was near Poydras and Lamar Street. It is a short block, but the main intersection there is Lamar Street.
This is interesting as it shows us this blonde woman was going to Union Station which would make one think she was leaving town. Remember too that she had a suitcase with her as this could be important as you will see later. Why did this woman get on when the man did and then get off when the man did and ask for a transfer like the man did? Why did the WC show no interest in this woman? What were they afraid of learning about her?
For more information on this please read this (although it is tough to read):
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0465b.htm
Another sighting that I cannot verify by finding the source, it is not in his WC testimony, comes from Deputy Sheriff Seymour Weitzman. Here is the quote.
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During the time [Seymour] Weitzman is running from the intersection of Main and Houston, he observes a blonde woman, 20 to 25 years old, drop a lunch sack at a point about half a block west of the Texas School Book Depository building. He thinks nothing of it at the time. Only later will Weitzman determine that this lunch sack was very similar to the lunch sack found at the sixth-floor window where the assassin apparently stationed himself. He will bring this information to the attention of the Dallas Police Department.
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Why didn't the WC ask him about this? Was this the same woman that got on the bus with the man claimed to be LHO? What could have been in the bag? Was it lunch or was it something else like a weapon? Keep in mind that a bag was found the following morning near Lamar Street where the woman got off the bus.
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At about 7:30 am on November 23, 1963, a handgun was found near the curb at the corner of Ross and Lamar Streets. This gun was a Smith & Wesson .38 caliber revolver serial number 893265 with the word "England" stamped on the barrel, which was found in a brown paper bag with an apple and an orange. It was found by a man named Willie Flat, a white male, 9221 Metz Drive, employed at 4770 Memphis. It was turned over to Dallas Police officer J. Raz, who brought the bag and its contents into the Dallas Homicide and Robbery Division. (Memo to SAC from FBI Special Agent Richard E. Harrison dated 11/25/63--89-43-636.)
jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/983/gun-bag
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Did she leave it where Weitzman saw her drop it or did she pick it back up and take it on the bus with her IF this was the same woman? Or, were there multiple bags? Again, none of this is supported or provable but it is very interesting to try and connect some dots. There seems to be a ton of "blonde woman" sightings in key places on November 22, 1963. There is another one too -- at the Texas Theater (TT).
LHO went there after he left his rooming house on November 22, 1963. At 1:15 p.m. LHO supposedly left the balcony (remember that the police dispatches mention the balcony, but LHO of record was never seen in the balcony) of The TT and buys a box of popcorn from Butch Burroughs, walks into the main floor and sits next to a pregnant woman. This information is supplied by Burroughs. He says that Johnny Brewer arrives approximately 20 minutes after he sees LHO sit next to the pregnant woman. Within a few minutes the pregnant woman gets up from her seat, goes to the ladies’ restroom in the balcony, and is never seen again. She is not one of the seven patrons counted by Officer Hutson. ("Harvey & Lee" by John Armstrong)
Where did this woman disappear to? She was supposed to be pregnant, right? Well, this is where the suitcase comes in handy. What did she have in that? A change of clothes? Wigs? Something to make herself appear pregnant? Why did LHO sit next to her? Some researchers have posited that he was looking for a contact, but why would he think a "pregnant woman" would be a contact. It isn't that dark in a theater that you cannot tell up close. Perhaps she was his contact. She told him what to do (most likely to keep him there for the cops to arrive) and then she went up to the balcony to use the restroom to change her appearance. She then simply walked out or left another way (roof?). There really has been no focus on these sightings to tie them together over the years.
Dallas Police Department (DPD) Detective Bob Carroll says when they entered the TT they were told by a “white female” that the suspect was in the BALCONY. Who was this white female? Some may say that it was Julia Postal, but a report of this nature should leave no ambiguity. Why doesn't it state for sure who this woman was?
Why is this important? Because she could have been involved in the conspiracy. Someone who comes to mind as this woman is Connie Trammel. I wish I could find a description of her, but as I said she could be good at changing her appearance anyway. Who is Connie Trammel? She is the woman who went to see Lamar Hunt on November 21, 1963, in the company of Jack Ruby.
She was supposedly a student at the University of Texas in November 1963 and she and some fellow students visited Dallas. This group stayed at the Adolphus Hotel which is across the street from the Carousel Club which was owned by Ruby. Trammel and another girl attended a show at the Carousel Club. I find this quite interesting as most women would not have been caught inside a burlesque/strip club in 1963 unless they worked there. American society was NOT the way it is today as this was something a regular good woman, and man, did not do in 1963. While Trammel headed to the restroom she said she was stopped by Ruby who asked her if they had met before. She told him that she didn't think so. She then did something else that was very unusual -- she gave her telephone number to the university to Ruby. How many women today give their phone number to someone they just met? Not many I would think, but she supposedly did so because she was looking for a job at the club. She wanted to be a hat check girl or a waitress according to her statement, but Ruby wanted her to be a stripper.
She further stated that she never dated Ruby at any time after meeting him. The most important part is this.
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On November 21, 1963, RUBY telephonically contacted Mrs. PENNY (Trammel), if she had decided to go to work as a stripper, at which time Mrs. PENNY told RUBY that she had talked with LAMAR HUNT and had made an appointment to see LAMAR HUNT regarding employment. As Mrs. PENNY did not have an automobile, RUBY agreed to meet Mrs. PENNY at her apartment and drive her to the Mercantile National Bank. RUBY told Mrs. PENNY that he had business to transact at the bank and it would be no trouble for him to pick her up. During the A.M. of November 21, 1963,...RUBY picked up Mrs. PENNY at the apartment and inquired as to how Mrs. PENNY had made the appointment with LAMAR HUNT, at which RUBY stated that he would like to meet HUNT.
Mrs. PENNY explained she had made a personal call to LAMAR HUNT'S residence, at which time a maid in the LAMAR HUNT home gave her the telephone number of a straight line into LAMAR HUNT'S office. Mrs. PENNY called LAMAR HUNT and made the appointment to talk to LAMAR HUNT in his office in Mercantile Bank Building. (Commission Document (CD) 1306, p.2 (original); p. 105 in total)
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This is incredible to me. Lamar Hunt was the son of the richest man in America, H.L. Hunt, and she can just call his house and get the maid to give her his private line to his office?! Then she calls him and he takes the time to talk with her and schedules an appointment for a possible job. Doesn't this sound beyond believable to you? How many of you reading this have ever called the home of a very wealthy person that you have never met and been either able to speak with them or given their private number to speak with them? Very few if any I am sure (and for those that have, please give us your secret). Why would Lamar Hunt take such a personal interest in a student at the University of Texas who likes to visit strip clubs? Furthermore, why would a maid risk her employment to give a stranger the private office number of her boss? Does any of this make sense to you?
It does IF we start to think in bigger terms. Numerous researchers have suspected H.L. Hunt of being involved in the JFK assassination for decades. LHO wrote a letter to a Hunt asking for directions. Now, the WC and their defenders have said that this letter was not written by LHO, but of course they never proved this. They just claimed it. Here is the letter.
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H.L. Hunt left his office as the motorcade was going by and he either went to Mexico or New York City (Gemstones File) where he would stay until Christmas time. Was Trammel working for them? Is that why Ruby was so helpful? She would tell the FBI that she did not obtain any employment from Lamar Hunt, but what would she say if her job was to perform the functions listed above?
Again, this is one where you will have to decide for yourself but this visit the day before the assassination is intriguing. Especially when we consider who Ruby met with in the evening on November 21, 1963.
jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1006/garrison-chronicles-lawrence-meyers
Was this "job interview" also used as a way to pass on information pertaining to the assassination? Trammel could have told Ruby what was pertinent for his role so he could pass it on to those he met with at the Cabana Motel.
Would her job also include the task of getting the transfer from the bus the WC would claim LHO took after leaving the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) Building and have it planted in the evidence to frame LHO? Was she also leaving the pistol that was supposed to be used by Ruby to shoot LHO as he left the TSBD in the paper bag? Was she possibly in the TT to make sure LHO was there to be arrested? All of this makes sense to me, but due to no real investigation ever being conducted it is impossible to know for sure.
I say this sinks the WC's conclusion because they ignored all of this stuff and a real investigation would not have done that so their conclusion is sunk once more.
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www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/h-l-hunt-3.jpg
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A photograph that may perhaps show the elusive Connie Trammel:
i.pinimg.com/236x/b6/c9/31/b6c931aa7f136c3fcbdd5d73a8ddcc88.jpg
[Disclaimer Note: This post is not meant to accuse anyone. It is rather an attempt to use the limited evidence that we have access to in order to try and figure out what was going on during November 21-22, 1963. A real investigation would have examined this evidence in an attempt to see where it went, if anywhere, but this never occurred. There could be benign reasons for these actions as well. This post is just an opinion and NOT an indictment of guilt. Each person needs to decide for themself if this is pertinent or not. It is highly interesting however and deserved to be included in this series.]
The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) assassinated President John F. Kennedy (JFK) on November 22, 1963, all by himself. They further stated that he had no assistance from anyone or any group in his successful assassination.
This post will look at some odd incidents that cannot be fully explained with supporting evidence (something this series usually avoids) but are so intriguing that it is worth examining.
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The mention of a woman being present in three key places on November 22, 1963, has intrigued me for many years. The first mention came in regard to the statement Roy Milton Jones gave to the FBI on March 30, 1964. In it he stated the following.
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historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pages/WC_Vol25_0465b.gif
Jones advised that before the bus was stopped the driver made his last passenger pickup approximately six blocks before Houston Street, that one was a blonde-haired woman and the other was a dark-haired man. He said the man sat in the seat directly behind him and the woman occupied the seat further to the rear of the bus. Jones advised that when the bus was stopped by traffic, and prior to the appearance of the police officers, the woman left the bus by the rear door and the man who was sitting behind him left the door by the front door while it was held up in the middle of the block. (Commission Exhibit (CE) 2641, p. 2)
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pages/WC_Vol25_0465b.htm
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Of course in this statement the FBI reported that the man was supposedly LHO according to Jones, but this was later shown to be incorrect. Neither Jones or the bus driver, Cecil McWatters, would say the man in question was LHO. The point of this post is not the man, but rather the woman that Jones mentioned. One could say, why? She isn't important. But, how do we know that? I have researched this case for decades and I realize one thing for sure -- nothing is known for sure beyond there was a conspiracy and LHO did not shoot anyone. Beyond that everything is open for discussion in my opinion.
This woman was important enough for Jones to mention a number of times and she seemed to be working in conjunction with the man as they entered at the same time and left at the same time. Coincidence? In this case there are no coincidences.
In his testimony McWatters said this about the woman in question.
Mr. BALL - Do you remember what he said to you when he asked you for the transfer?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, the reason I recall the incident, I had--there was a lady that when I stopped in this traffic, there was a lady who had a suitcase and she said, "I have got to make a 1 o'clock train at Union Station," and she said, "I don't believe from the looks of this traffic you are going to be held up."
She said, "Would you give me a transfer and I am going to walk on down," which is about from where I was at that time about 7 or 8 blocks to Union Station and she asked me if I would give her a transfer in case I did get through the traffic if I would pick her up on the way.
So, I said, "I sure will." So I gave her a transfer and opened the door and as she was going out the gentleman I had picked up about 2 blocks asked for a transfer and got off at the same place in the middle of the block where the lady did.
Mr. BALL - Where was that near, what intersection?
Mr. McWATTERS - It was the intersection near Lamar Street, it was near Poydras and Lamar Street. It is a short block, but the main intersection there is Lamar Street.
This is interesting as it shows us this blonde woman was going to Union Station which would make one think she was leaving town. Remember too that she had a suitcase with her as this could be important as you will see later. Why did this woman get on when the man did and then get off when the man did and ask for a transfer like the man did? Why did the WC show no interest in this woman? What were they afraid of learning about her?
For more information on this please read this (although it is tough to read):
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0465b.htm
Another sighting that I cannot verify by finding the source, it is not in his WC testimony, comes from Deputy Sheriff Seymour Weitzman. Here is the quote.
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During the time [Seymour] Weitzman is running from the intersection of Main and Houston, he observes a blonde woman, 20 to 25 years old, drop a lunch sack at a point about half a block west of the Texas School Book Depository building. He thinks nothing of it at the time. Only later will Weitzman determine that this lunch sack was very similar to the lunch sack found at the sixth-floor window where the assassin apparently stationed himself. He will bring this information to the attention of the Dallas Police Department.
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Why didn't the WC ask him about this? Was this the same woman that got on the bus with the man claimed to be LHO? What could have been in the bag? Was it lunch or was it something else like a weapon? Keep in mind that a bag was found the following morning near Lamar Street where the woman got off the bus.
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At about 7:30 am on November 23, 1963, a handgun was found near the curb at the corner of Ross and Lamar Streets. This gun was a Smith & Wesson .38 caliber revolver serial number 893265 with the word "England" stamped on the barrel, which was found in a brown paper bag with an apple and an orange. It was found by a man named Willie Flat, a white male, 9221 Metz Drive, employed at 4770 Memphis. It was turned over to Dallas Police officer J. Raz, who brought the bag and its contents into the Dallas Homicide and Robbery Division. (Memo to SAC from FBI Special Agent Richard E. Harrison dated 11/25/63--89-43-636.)
jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/983/gun-bag
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Did she leave it where Weitzman saw her drop it or did she pick it back up and take it on the bus with her IF this was the same woman? Or, were there multiple bags? Again, none of this is supported or provable but it is very interesting to try and connect some dots. There seems to be a ton of "blonde woman" sightings in key places on November 22, 1963. There is another one too -- at the Texas Theater (TT).
LHO went there after he left his rooming house on November 22, 1963. At 1:15 p.m. LHO supposedly left the balcony (remember that the police dispatches mention the balcony, but LHO of record was never seen in the balcony) of The TT and buys a box of popcorn from Butch Burroughs, walks into the main floor and sits next to a pregnant woman. This information is supplied by Burroughs. He says that Johnny Brewer arrives approximately 20 minutes after he sees LHO sit next to the pregnant woman. Within a few minutes the pregnant woman gets up from her seat, goes to the ladies’ restroom in the balcony, and is never seen again. She is not one of the seven patrons counted by Officer Hutson. ("Harvey & Lee" by John Armstrong)
Where did this woman disappear to? She was supposed to be pregnant, right? Well, this is where the suitcase comes in handy. What did she have in that? A change of clothes? Wigs? Something to make herself appear pregnant? Why did LHO sit next to her? Some researchers have posited that he was looking for a contact, but why would he think a "pregnant woman" would be a contact. It isn't that dark in a theater that you cannot tell up close. Perhaps she was his contact. She told him what to do (most likely to keep him there for the cops to arrive) and then she went up to the balcony to use the restroom to change her appearance. She then simply walked out or left another way (roof?). There really has been no focus on these sightings to tie them together over the years.
Dallas Police Department (DPD) Detective Bob Carroll says when they entered the TT they were told by a “white female” that the suspect was in the BALCONY. Who was this white female? Some may say that it was Julia Postal, but a report of this nature should leave no ambiguity. Why doesn't it state for sure who this woman was?
Why is this important? Because she could have been involved in the conspiracy. Someone who comes to mind as this woman is Connie Trammel. I wish I could find a description of her, but as I said she could be good at changing her appearance anyway. Who is Connie Trammel? She is the woman who went to see Lamar Hunt on November 21, 1963, in the company of Jack Ruby.
She was supposedly a student at the University of Texas in November 1963 and she and some fellow students visited Dallas. This group stayed at the Adolphus Hotel which is across the street from the Carousel Club which was owned by Ruby. Trammel and another girl attended a show at the Carousel Club. I find this quite interesting as most women would not have been caught inside a burlesque/strip club in 1963 unless they worked there. American society was NOT the way it is today as this was something a regular good woman, and man, did not do in 1963. While Trammel headed to the restroom she said she was stopped by Ruby who asked her if they had met before. She told him that she didn't think so. She then did something else that was very unusual -- she gave her telephone number to the university to Ruby. How many women today give their phone number to someone they just met? Not many I would think, but she supposedly did so because she was looking for a job at the club. She wanted to be a hat check girl or a waitress according to her statement, but Ruby wanted her to be a stripper.
She further stated that she never dated Ruby at any time after meeting him. The most important part is this.
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On November 21, 1963, RUBY telephonically contacted Mrs. PENNY (Trammel), if she had decided to go to work as a stripper, at which time Mrs. PENNY told RUBY that she had talked with LAMAR HUNT and had made an appointment to see LAMAR HUNT regarding employment. As Mrs. PENNY did not have an automobile, RUBY agreed to meet Mrs. PENNY at her apartment and drive her to the Mercantile National Bank. RUBY told Mrs. PENNY that he had business to transact at the bank and it would be no trouble for him to pick her up. During the A.M. of November 21, 1963,...RUBY picked up Mrs. PENNY at the apartment and inquired as to how Mrs. PENNY had made the appointment with LAMAR HUNT, at which RUBY stated that he would like to meet HUNT.
Mrs. PENNY explained she had made a personal call to LAMAR HUNT'S residence, at which time a maid in the LAMAR HUNT home gave her the telephone number of a straight line into LAMAR HUNT'S office. Mrs. PENNY called LAMAR HUNT and made the appointment to talk to LAMAR HUNT in his office in Mercantile Bank Building. (Commission Document (CD) 1306, p.2 (original); p. 105 in total)
www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11701#relPageId=115
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This is incredible to me. Lamar Hunt was the son of the richest man in America, H.L. Hunt, and she can just call his house and get the maid to give her his private line to his office?! Then she calls him and he takes the time to talk with her and schedules an appointment for a possible job. Doesn't this sound beyond believable to you? How many of you reading this have ever called the home of a very wealthy person that you have never met and been either able to speak with them or given their private number to speak with them? Very few if any I am sure (and for those that have, please give us your secret). Why would Lamar Hunt take such a personal interest in a student at the University of Texas who likes to visit strip clubs? Furthermore, why would a maid risk her employment to give a stranger the private office number of her boss? Does any of this make sense to you?
It does IF we start to think in bigger terms. Numerous researchers have suspected H.L. Hunt of being involved in the JFK assassination for decades. LHO wrote a letter to a Hunt asking for directions. Now, the WC and their defenders have said that this letter was not written by LHO, but of course they never proved this. They just claimed it. Here is the letter.
gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/dear-mr-hunt-letter.png
H.L. Hunt left his office as the motorcade was going by and he either went to Mexico or New York City (Gemstones File) where he would stay until Christmas time. Was Trammel working for them? Is that why Ruby was so helpful? She would tell the FBI that she did not obtain any employment from Lamar Hunt, but what would she say if her job was to perform the functions listed above?
Again, this is one where you will have to decide for yourself but this visit the day before the assassination is intriguing. Especially when we consider who Ruby met with in the evening on November 21, 1963.
jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/thread/1006/garrison-chronicles-lawrence-meyers
Was this "job interview" also used as a way to pass on information pertaining to the assassination? Trammel could have told Ruby what was pertinent for his role so he could pass it on to those he met with at the Cabana Motel.
Would her job also include the task of getting the transfer from the bus the WC would claim LHO took after leaving the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) Building and have it planted in the evidence to frame LHO? Was she also leaving the pistol that was supposed to be used by Ruby to shoot LHO as he left the TSBD in the paper bag? Was she possibly in the TT to make sure LHO was there to be arrested? All of this makes sense to me, but due to no real investigation ever being conducted it is impossible to know for sure.
I say this sinks the WC's conclusion because they ignored all of this stuff and a real investigation would not have done that so their conclusion is sunk once more.