Post by Rob Caprio on Oct 5, 2018 9:48:43 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) took curtain rods to work on the morning of November 22, 1963. How did they know this? Because ONE person claimed LHO told them this!
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Mr. Wes FRAZIER: So automatically I knew it wasn't Friday, I come to think it wasn't Friday and I said, "Why are you going home today?" And he says, "I am going home to get some curtain rods." He said, "You know, put in an apartment."
He wanted to hang up some curtains and I said, "Very well." And I never thought more about it and I had some invoices in my hands for some orders and I walked on off and started filling the orders.
And:
Mr. BALL - Do you remember the night before, that is after you got home that night, that your sister asked you how it happened that Oswald came home with you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; I believe she did or something. We got to talking about something and said, I told her that he had rode home with me and told her he said he was going to come home and pick up some curtain rods or something. I usually don't talk too much to my sister, sometimes she is not there when I am in because she is either at the store or something like that and I am either when she comes in as I say I am playing with the little nieces and we don't talk too much about work or something like that.
How do you confuse curtain rods with "something?" This statement may be very telling. Obviously the WC lawyer didn't like this vagueness either because he hammered away to straighten it out quickly. These questions followed the statement above.
Mr. BALL - This night, this evening, do you remember you did talk to her about the fact that Oswald had come home with you?
Mr. FRAZIER - I believe I did.
Mr. BALL - Did you tell her what he had told you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. I believe she said why did he come home now and I said, well, he says he was going to get some curtain rods.
Now we see the WC lawyer asking a question as IF it had happened with NO doubt (which is NOT true) and Frazier playing along with a DEFINITIVE statement.
And:
Mr. BALL - All right. When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.
What we see here is a CLAIM, nothing more. The WC NEVER offered any evidence to show it was the truth (meaning the exchange) let alone that he had curtain rods in a brown bag as claimed. Furthermore, we learn Frazier used to work in a department store and was quite familiar with curtain rods and packaging. Here is how he described the package he supposedly saw on the morning of 11/22/63.
Mr. BALL - What did the package look like?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long.
Quite a few things sink the WC's claims in this one statement. The WC claimed, but of course NEVER supported, that LHO made the bag at the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) with materials found there. It was shown that he NEVER went near the area where these materials were kept. So even discounting the WC's inability to support their claim in the least, how can the bag look like one found at "most stores" or that it came "right out of the grocery store?"
Also, it has been shown a broken down 40" Carcano (something that was NEVER linked to LHO with evidence) cannot FIT INTO A TWO FOOT BAG!
As usual, the WC's own evidence sinks its claims faster than anything else. Now for Frazier's thoughts on the bag and his background with packages. Frazier would stay adamant about it being ONLY two feet long too!
Mr. BALL - How much of that back seat, how much space did it take up?
Mr. FRAZIER - I would say roughly around 2 feet of the seat.
Mr. BALL - From the side of the seat over to the center, is that the way you would measure it?
Mr. FRAZIER - If, if you were going to measure it that way from the end of the seat over toward the center, right. But I say like I said I just roughly estimate and that would be around two feet, give and take a few inches.
Even IF we gave a few inches that is still NOT long enough as it was shown the bag needed to be much longer than two feet, two inches to hold a broken down 40" Carcano.
He would again describe the bag as coming from a grocery store.
Mr. BALL - The paper, was the color of the paper, that you would get in a grocery store, is that it, a bag in a grocery store?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right. You have seen, not a real light color but you know normally, the normal color about the same color, you have seen these kinds of heavy duty bags you know like you obtain from the grocery store, something like that, about the same color of that, paper sack you get there.
Why did the WC not try and find out what grocery store it might have been? Why did they TOTALLY IGNORE this testimony and insist he made the bag from TSBD materials? Is this how you run an honest investigation?
Now onto his experience with packaging and curtain rods.
Mr. BALL - Did it appear to you there was some, more than just paper he was carrying, some kind of a weight he was carrying?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, yes, sir; I say, because one reason I know that because I worked in a department store before and I had uncrated curtain rods when they come in, and I know if you have seen when they come straight from the factory you know how they can bundle them up and put them in there pretty compact, so he told me it was curtain rods so I didn't think any more about the package whatsoever.
Wouldn't a disassembled rifle sound DIFFERENT from curtain rods? I would think so. Why couldn't Frazier tell from the noise of the metal that it was more than curtain rods. Why was this NOT asked? Look at this statement.
Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.
And yet, this is the SOLE witness they have for LHO allegedly carrying the alleged package into the TSBD! In addition to NOT paying attention to LHO he would admit he was FIFTY FEET behind him!
Mr. BALL - Now when he went in the door you were about 50 feet behind him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right. The last time I saw him I was right in this area coming across these railroad tracks and I just happened to glance up and see him going through the door there and shut the door.
So in addition to NOT paying attention to LHO or the package the man was a good distance behind him. How in the world could the WC rest its claim that he took the alleged package into the TSBD based on this truth? They had to is the answer as they had NOTHING else to rely on. NO other employee or person could be found to say they saw LHO walk with or enter the TSBD with a package in his hands! NONE.
So all we got from the WC, via Wes Frazier, was a bunch of claims that did NOT support a single thing they claimed. In fact, Frazier's comments sunk two of the WC's claims all by themselves (the claim of the material for the bag coming from the TSBD and the length of the package).
Once again, we see the WC gave us EMPTY CLAIMS with NO support. Once again, we see the WC defenders here support and promote empty claims (some may say lies).
Oh, and by the way, I can see the WC's Frazier claim of LHO saying he was bringing curtain rods to work by RAISING it with this statement by his WIFE!
Mr. RANKIN. On the evening of the 21st, was anything said about curtain rods or his taking curtain rods to town the following day?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, I didn't have any.
Mr. RANKIN. He didn't say anything like that?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Why would he tell Wes Frazier for his trip home on the night of the 21st, but NOT his wife?
Once again we see the evidence in the twenty-six volumes sink the WC’s conclusion.
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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) took curtain rods to work on the morning of November 22, 1963. How did they know this? Because ONE person claimed LHO told them this!
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Mr. Wes FRAZIER: So automatically I knew it wasn't Friday, I come to think it wasn't Friday and I said, "Why are you going home today?" And he says, "I am going home to get some curtain rods." He said, "You know, put in an apartment."
He wanted to hang up some curtains and I said, "Very well." And I never thought more about it and I had some invoices in my hands for some orders and I walked on off and started filling the orders.
And:
Mr. BALL - Do you remember the night before, that is after you got home that night, that your sister asked you how it happened that Oswald came home with you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; I believe she did or something. We got to talking about something and said, I told her that he had rode home with me and told her he said he was going to come home and pick up some curtain rods or something. I usually don't talk too much to my sister, sometimes she is not there when I am in because she is either at the store or something like that and I am either when she comes in as I say I am playing with the little nieces and we don't talk too much about work or something like that.
How do you confuse curtain rods with "something?" This statement may be very telling. Obviously the WC lawyer didn't like this vagueness either because he hammered away to straighten it out quickly. These questions followed the statement above.
Mr. BALL - This night, this evening, do you remember you did talk to her about the fact that Oswald had come home with you?
Mr. FRAZIER - I believe I did.
Mr. BALL - Did you tell her what he had told you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. I believe she said why did he come home now and I said, well, he says he was going to get some curtain rods.
Now we see the WC lawyer asking a question as IF it had happened with NO doubt (which is NOT true) and Frazier playing along with a DEFINITIVE statement.
And:
Mr. BALL - All right. When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.
What we see here is a CLAIM, nothing more. The WC NEVER offered any evidence to show it was the truth (meaning the exchange) let alone that he had curtain rods in a brown bag as claimed. Furthermore, we learn Frazier used to work in a department store and was quite familiar with curtain rods and packaging. Here is how he described the package he supposedly saw on the morning of 11/22/63.
Mr. BALL - What did the package look like?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long.
Quite a few things sink the WC's claims in this one statement. The WC claimed, but of course NEVER supported, that LHO made the bag at the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) with materials found there. It was shown that he NEVER went near the area where these materials were kept. So even discounting the WC's inability to support their claim in the least, how can the bag look like one found at "most stores" or that it came "right out of the grocery store?"
Also, it has been shown a broken down 40" Carcano (something that was NEVER linked to LHO with evidence) cannot FIT INTO A TWO FOOT BAG!
As usual, the WC's own evidence sinks its claims faster than anything else. Now for Frazier's thoughts on the bag and his background with packages. Frazier would stay adamant about it being ONLY two feet long too!
Mr. BALL - How much of that back seat, how much space did it take up?
Mr. FRAZIER - I would say roughly around 2 feet of the seat.
Mr. BALL - From the side of the seat over to the center, is that the way you would measure it?
Mr. FRAZIER - If, if you were going to measure it that way from the end of the seat over toward the center, right. But I say like I said I just roughly estimate and that would be around two feet, give and take a few inches.
Even IF we gave a few inches that is still NOT long enough as it was shown the bag needed to be much longer than two feet, two inches to hold a broken down 40" Carcano.
He would again describe the bag as coming from a grocery store.
Mr. BALL - The paper, was the color of the paper, that you would get in a grocery store, is that it, a bag in a grocery store?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right. You have seen, not a real light color but you know normally, the normal color about the same color, you have seen these kinds of heavy duty bags you know like you obtain from the grocery store, something like that, about the same color of that, paper sack you get there.
Why did the WC not try and find out what grocery store it might have been? Why did they TOTALLY IGNORE this testimony and insist he made the bag from TSBD materials? Is this how you run an honest investigation?
Now onto his experience with packaging and curtain rods.
Mr. BALL - Did it appear to you there was some, more than just paper he was carrying, some kind of a weight he was carrying?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, yes, sir; I say, because one reason I know that because I worked in a department store before and I had uncrated curtain rods when they come in, and I know if you have seen when they come straight from the factory you know how they can bundle them up and put them in there pretty compact, so he told me it was curtain rods so I didn't think any more about the package whatsoever.
Wouldn't a disassembled rifle sound DIFFERENT from curtain rods? I would think so. Why couldn't Frazier tell from the noise of the metal that it was more than curtain rods. Why was this NOT asked? Look at this statement.
Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.
And yet, this is the SOLE witness they have for LHO allegedly carrying the alleged package into the TSBD! In addition to NOT paying attention to LHO he would admit he was FIFTY FEET behind him!
Mr. BALL - Now when he went in the door you were about 50 feet behind him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right. The last time I saw him I was right in this area coming across these railroad tracks and I just happened to glance up and see him going through the door there and shut the door.
So in addition to NOT paying attention to LHO or the package the man was a good distance behind him. How in the world could the WC rest its claim that he took the alleged package into the TSBD based on this truth? They had to is the answer as they had NOTHING else to rely on. NO other employee or person could be found to say they saw LHO walk with or enter the TSBD with a package in his hands! NONE.
So all we got from the WC, via Wes Frazier, was a bunch of claims that did NOT support a single thing they claimed. In fact, Frazier's comments sunk two of the WC's claims all by themselves (the claim of the material for the bag coming from the TSBD and the length of the package).
Once again, we see the WC gave us EMPTY CLAIMS with NO support. Once again, we see the WC defenders here support and promote empty claims (some may say lies).
Oh, and by the way, I can see the WC's Frazier claim of LHO saying he was bringing curtain rods to work by RAISING it with this statement by his WIFE!
Mr. RANKIN. On the evening of the 21st, was anything said about curtain rods or his taking curtain rods to town the following day?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, I didn't have any.
Mr. RANKIN. He didn't say anything like that?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Why would he tell Wes Frazier for his trip home on the night of the 21st, but NOT his wife?
Once again we see the evidence in the twenty-six volumes sink the WC’s conclusion.