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The Warren Commission (WC) downplayed Jack Ruby’s whereabouts on the weekend of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and what he was doing to keep alive the claim that he acted out of “temporary passion and insanity” in killing Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO). But as we saw in the last post in this series their claim of him being at the Dallas Morning News (DMN) before, during and after the assassination is open to conjecture as there is ample evidence showing he could have been in Dealey Plaza (DP) as quite a few witnesses said. One photograph (Willis #8) was claimed to show him in front of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) shortly after the shooting and the man that took it, Phillip Willis, KNEW Jack Ruby so his claim is not easily brushed aside. As we saw in the previous post, the WC CROPPED the picture, so the man’s face is NOT recognizable anymore when they published it in their twenty-six volumes. Why did they do this IF it was NOT Jack Ruby? Why too did the FBI bring up the issue of the man being Ruby to Willis?
This post is about another sighting of Jack Ruby during the aftermath of the assassination, and it involves the Texas Theater (TT). Here is the story of witness George Applin.
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George Applin was in the TT on 11/22/63 and relayed what he saw transpire there. OF course, the admission of who the mysterious man was he spoke with would NOT be said to be Jack Ruby until 1979 as he feared for his life. WC defenders have mocked this explanation for why it took him so long all the while ACCEPTING the same kind of explanation from Howard Brennan for why he FAILED to identify (ID) LHO while he was alive!
Mr. BALL - What did you do? Go to the picture show? [The second question is a leading question and is not allowed.]
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL - What time of day did you go there?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, actually, I went to---I was over in Oak Cliff, around about, I guess, about 12 o'clock, I imagine is what time it was. I was there and the show hadn't opened up, so, I was sitting in my car listening to the radio up until the time that the show opened.
Mr. BALL - You went in the show when it opened?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Paid your way?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
This is a silly question by Ball as almost everyone “pays their way in” to a theater. Of course they would claim LHO did not.
Mr. BALL - And where did you take your seat? What part of the theatre?
Mr. APPLIN - About six rows down, I got in the middle aisle, about the middle of the chairs.
Mr. BALL - Middle aisle, six rows from the rear?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And you were how far from the middle aisle into the row of seats?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, about--seemed quite a little while since I thought about this. I guess I was about four or five seats over from the aisle.
This location would give him a very good view of the arrest of LHO. I'm interested in his comments about the "man" who was sitting near him in the theater.
Mr. BALL - Okay, fine, that is all, Mr. Applin.
Mr. APPLIN - But, there is one thing puzzling me.
Mr. BALL - What is that?
Mr. APPLIN - And I don't even know if it has any bearing on the case, but there was one guy sitting in the back row right there where I was standing at, and I said to him, I said, "Buddy, you'd better move. There is a gun." And he says--just sat there. He was just back like this. Just like this. Just watching.
Mr. BALL - Just watching the show?
Mr. APPLIN - No; I don't think he could have seen the show. Just sitting just like this, just looking at me.
Mr. BALL - Did you know the man?
Mr. APPLIN - No; I didn't.
Mr. BALL - Ever seen him since?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; didn't. I tapped him on the shoulder and said, "Buddy, you'd better move," and----
Mr. BALL - Were you scared?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, when I seen the gun I was.
As noted in a previous post in this series the man who Applin described as pulling the gun could NOT have been LHO!
Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
For the record, LHO did NOT have a SHORT-SLEEVED shirt so this could NOT have been him pulling the gun as witnessed by Applin.
Mr. BALL - Did you tell the police officer about this man?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; at the time, I didn't think about it, but I did tell--I didn't even think about it when I went before the Secret Service man, but I did tell one of the FBI men about it.
Mr. BALL - Okay. I guess that is all, Mr. Applin. Thank you very much.
Mr. APPLIN - All right.
Since Applin did NOT tell the police about his man who did? The official version includes shoe salesman Johnny Brewer who followed him into the TT after seeing him “acting suspicious” near his store. But was he the man that told the police about LHO in the TT? I don’t think so because this is what he said to the WC in his testimony.
Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?
Mr. BREWER - Well, just before they came. they turned the house lights on, and I looked out from the curtains and saw the man.
Mr. BELIN - Where was he when you saw him?
Mr. BREWER - He was in the center section about six or seven rows, from the back, toward the back.
Mr. BELIN - Toward the back? Are you sure? Mr. Brewer, do you know exactly which row he was in from the back?
Mr. BREWER - No; I don't know which row.
You can almost hear the PANIC in Belin’s voice as he is almost begging him to tell him the exact row in which he saw the man (presumably LHO) sitting in! We shall soon see why, but for now note what Brewer said, “He was in the center section about six or seven rows, from the back, toward the back.”
In Commission Exhibit (CE) 2003 we will find a police report written by Captain Westbrook on the arrest of LHO in TT. On page 246 of this long exhibit we find the following.
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Barrett [FBI Agent Bob Barrett] and this investigator [Westbrook] stopped at the rear door and the patrolman proceeded to the next one. After entering this door, it was observed that the overhead lights were on and the picture was still being projected on the screen. This investigator was on the steps at the side of the screen.
A male employee said, “The man in the FOURTH row from the back in the middle aisle is THE man.” (Emphasis mine)
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Who was this man who told the police this? It could NOT be Brewer as claimed since Brewer said the man he saw on the street who entered the TT was in the SIXTH OR SEVENTH row from the back, NOT the FOURTH row! Was this “employee” really Jack Ruby? No other employee could have been this person based on their whereabouts in the theater at this time and their knowledge of the man entering.
Mr. BALL. Later on the police came in your place?
Mr. BURROUGHS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. They asked you if you had seen a man come in there without a ticket?
Mr. BURROUGHS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. BURROUGHS. I said, "I haven't seen him myself. He might have, but I didn't see him when he came in. He must have sneaked in and run on upstairs before I saw him."
Mr. BALL. Later on, did somebody point out a man in the theatre to you?
Mr. BURROUGHS. No----I got information that a man----the police were cruising up and down Jefferson hunting for Oswald, and he ran to a shoestore and then came out and came on up to the Texas, and the man came in and told me that a man fitting that description came in the show and he wanted me to help him find him, and we went and checked the exit doors, he was up in the balcony, I imagine, and then we went back out and the police caught him downstairs.
Burroughs could NOT have told the police the comment in CE-2003 because he thought the man they were looking for was in the BALCONY! Another employee, Julia Postal, couldn’t be the person because she is female and said this to the WC.
Mr. BALL. Well, now, was this before they had gone into the theatre that this officer used the phone?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. It was after?
Mrs. POSTAL. There was not one man walked through this theatre. They were running.
Mr. BALL. Did the officers go in the front of the theatre?
Mrs. POSTAL. Yes. Definitely.
Mr. BALL. Did you go in?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; I stayed at the box office.
Mr. BALL. You didn't see anything that happened inside?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir.
She clearly says she stayed in the BOX OFFICE and did NOT go into the theater so she is eliminated due to this and the FACT she was FEMALE and NOT male. There are NO other employees to account for this as the manager of the theater, or at least Postal’s boss, was gone. She said this in her testimony.
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; I was looking up, as I say, when the cars passed, as you know, they make a tremendous noise, and he ducked in as my boss went that way to get in his car.
Mr. BALL. Who is your boss?
Mrs. POSTAL. Mr. John A. Callahan.
Mr. BALL. Where did you say he was?
Mrs. POSTAL. Yes; I say, they bypassed each other, actually, the man ducked in this way and my employer went that-a-way, to get in his car.
We see that Callahan was leaving the theater when LHO was supposedly ducking in. This means ONLY a person NOT associated with the TT could have told Westbrook where “THE MAN” WAS SITTING. Again, could this have been Jack Ruby?
In 1979 he would tell a news reporter that he did recognize the man as Jack Ruby! Applin told the DMN the following:
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At the time the Warren Commission had me down there at the Post Office in Dallas to get my statement, I was afraid to give it. I gave everything up to the point of what I gave the police there in town....I'm a pretty nervous guy anyway because I'll you what: After I saw that magazine where all those people they said were connected with some of this had come up dead, it kind of made me keep a low profile....(Jack) Ruby was sitting down, just watching them. And when Oswald pulled the gun and snapped it at (McDonald's) head and missed and the darned thing wouldn't fire, that is when I tapped him on the shoulder and told him he had better move because those guns were waving around. He just turned around and looked at me. He then turned around and started watching them. (Jim Marrs, Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, p. 352)
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Applin said he recognized Ruby later on from the photos shown on television following his shooting of LHO. So he knew who this man was even though he told the WC twice he did NOT, and the reason for this lie was given in the above statement. He was afraid for his life IF he gave away this key piece of information. IF this is correct, and I don't know why Applin would say it was Ruby IF it was not, then we have a repeated pattern of Ruby sightings. Ruby was seen by several witnesses in DP prior to the shootings (Mercer, Adams, Hill, Couch, Wise and Tilson), a sighting (and photograph according to witness Phil Willis) in front of the TSBD after the shooting (some Mexican women working nearby said they saw Ruby as well in front of the TSBD, although some researchers dispute this now), Ruby in TT (Applin), Ruby at Parkland Hospital (Parkland Hospital — Wilma Tice and White House correspondent Seth Kantor), and of course the repeated sightings of Ruby at Police HQ during the weekend leading up to the shooting.
My feeling has always been that Ruby was assigned the job of eliminating LHO, but he was supposed to do it before he left the TSBD! When he botched this he then followed him according to plan and was present for the arrest. When LHO allegedly pulled his revolver with the faulty firing pin (some researchers have said he got this pistol from Ruby) the opportunity was there for the Dallas Police Department (DPD - N.M. McDonald probably) to eliminate him again! Whether he actually pulled the pistol or not has been debated, but Applin said he did while describing LHO wearing clothes he was NOT wearing.
Mr. BALL - Took a swing at him and what happened then?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the officer, I heard him say, "Here he is." And during the proceeding of that, I guess about 5 or 10 seconds later, there was another--I think it was two officers, or one, passed me and ran down there to him.
Mr. BALL - Did you see a gun? (Leading question)
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.
Mr. BALL - Then did you see a gun? (Leading and repetitive question)
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; but only--there was one gun. The pistol. It came into view before any of the other officers got there.
Mr. BALL - That is what I mean. What do you say happened about that? Who pulled a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, anyhow, the officer was facing this way [indicating] and Oswald was facing this way [indicating]. And then the gun was pointed out that way [indicating].
CE-143, the alleged “LHO’s revolver” had a serious issue with the firing pin to the point it would NOT allegedly fire in the TT, but we are to believe LHO fired it FOUR TIMES into J.D. Tippit! Does this make any sense to you?
When the attempt to rid the world of LHO failed at the TT they were left with one option -- transfer time! And despite Ruby showing up an HOUR AND TWENTY MINUTES LATE LHO was still there for him to gun down!
The testimony and evidence of this post (from the WC’s own twenty-six volumes) again sinks their conclusion.
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The Warren Commission (WC) downplayed Jack Ruby’s whereabouts on the weekend of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and what he was doing to keep alive the claim that he acted out of “temporary passion and insanity” in killing Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO). But as we saw in the last post in this series their claim of him being at the Dallas Morning News (DMN) before, during and after the assassination is open to conjecture as there is ample evidence showing he could have been in Dealey Plaza (DP) as quite a few witnesses said. One photograph (Willis #8) was claimed to show him in front of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) shortly after the shooting and the man that took it, Phillip Willis, KNEW Jack Ruby so his claim is not easily brushed aside. As we saw in the previous post, the WC CROPPED the picture, so the man’s face is NOT recognizable anymore when they published it in their twenty-six volumes. Why did they do this IF it was NOT Jack Ruby? Why too did the FBI bring up the issue of the man being Ruby to Willis?
This post is about another sighting of Jack Ruby during the aftermath of the assassination, and it involves the Texas Theater (TT). Here is the story of witness George Applin.
*******************************************
George Applin was in the TT on 11/22/63 and relayed what he saw transpire there. OF course, the admission of who the mysterious man was he spoke with would NOT be said to be Jack Ruby until 1979 as he feared for his life. WC defenders have mocked this explanation for why it took him so long all the while ACCEPTING the same kind of explanation from Howard Brennan for why he FAILED to identify (ID) LHO while he was alive!
Mr. BALL - What did you do? Go to the picture show? [The second question is a leading question and is not allowed.]
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL - What time of day did you go there?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, actually, I went to---I was over in Oak Cliff, around about, I guess, about 12 o'clock, I imagine is what time it was. I was there and the show hadn't opened up, so, I was sitting in my car listening to the radio up until the time that the show opened.
Mr. BALL - You went in the show when it opened?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Paid your way?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
This is a silly question by Ball as almost everyone “pays their way in” to a theater. Of course they would claim LHO did not.
Mr. BALL - And where did you take your seat? What part of the theatre?
Mr. APPLIN - About six rows down, I got in the middle aisle, about the middle of the chairs.
Mr. BALL - Middle aisle, six rows from the rear?
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - And you were how far from the middle aisle into the row of seats?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, about--seemed quite a little while since I thought about this. I guess I was about four or five seats over from the aisle.
This location would give him a very good view of the arrest of LHO. I'm interested in his comments about the "man" who was sitting near him in the theater.
Mr. BALL - Okay, fine, that is all, Mr. Applin.
Mr. APPLIN - But, there is one thing puzzling me.
Mr. BALL - What is that?
Mr. APPLIN - And I don't even know if it has any bearing on the case, but there was one guy sitting in the back row right there where I was standing at, and I said to him, I said, "Buddy, you'd better move. There is a gun." And he says--just sat there. He was just back like this. Just like this. Just watching.
Mr. BALL - Just watching the show?
Mr. APPLIN - No; I don't think he could have seen the show. Just sitting just like this, just looking at me.
Mr. BALL - Did you know the man?
Mr. APPLIN - No; I didn't.
Mr. BALL - Ever seen him since?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; didn't. I tapped him on the shoulder and said, "Buddy, you'd better move," and----
Mr. BALL - Were you scared?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, when I seen the gun I was.
As noted in a previous post in this series the man who Applin described as pulling the gun could NOT have been LHO!
Mr. BALL - Who pulled the pistol?
Mr. APPLIN - I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun.
For the record, LHO did NOT have a SHORT-SLEEVED shirt so this could NOT have been him pulling the gun as witnessed by Applin.
Mr. BALL - Did you tell the police officer about this man?
Mr. APPLIN - No, sir; at the time, I didn't think about it, but I did tell--I didn't even think about it when I went before the Secret Service man, but I did tell one of the FBI men about it.
Mr. BALL - Okay. I guess that is all, Mr. Applin. Thank you very much.
Mr. APPLIN - All right.
Since Applin did NOT tell the police about his man who did? The official version includes shoe salesman Johnny Brewer who followed him into the TT after seeing him “acting suspicious” near his store. But was he the man that told the police about LHO in the TT? I don’t think so because this is what he said to the WC in his testimony.
Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?
Mr. BREWER - Well, just before they came. they turned the house lights on, and I looked out from the curtains and saw the man.
Mr. BELIN - Where was he when you saw him?
Mr. BREWER - He was in the center section about six or seven rows, from the back, toward the back.
Mr. BELIN - Toward the back? Are you sure? Mr. Brewer, do you know exactly which row he was in from the back?
Mr. BREWER - No; I don't know which row.
You can almost hear the PANIC in Belin’s voice as he is almost begging him to tell him the exact row in which he saw the man (presumably LHO) sitting in! We shall soon see why, but for now note what Brewer said, “He was in the center section about six or seven rows, from the back, toward the back.”
In Commission Exhibit (CE) 2003 we will find a police report written by Captain Westbrook on the arrest of LHO in TT. On page 246 of this long exhibit we find the following.
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Barrett [FBI Agent Bob Barrett] and this investigator [Westbrook] stopped at the rear door and the patrolman proceeded to the next one. After entering this door, it was observed that the overhead lights were on and the picture was still being projected on the screen. This investigator was on the steps at the side of the screen.
A male employee said, “The man in the FOURTH row from the back in the middle aisle is THE man.” (Emphasis mine)
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0132b.htm
Quote off
Who was this man who told the police this? It could NOT be Brewer as claimed since Brewer said the man he saw on the street who entered the TT was in the SIXTH OR SEVENTH row from the back, NOT the FOURTH row! Was this “employee” really Jack Ruby? No other employee could have been this person based on their whereabouts in the theater at this time and their knowledge of the man entering.
Mr. BALL. Later on the police came in your place?
Mr. BURROUGHS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. They asked you if you had seen a man come in there without a ticket?
Mr. BURROUGHS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell him?
Mr. BURROUGHS. I said, "I haven't seen him myself. He might have, but I didn't see him when he came in. He must have sneaked in and run on upstairs before I saw him."
Mr. BALL. Later on, did somebody point out a man in the theatre to you?
Mr. BURROUGHS. No----I got information that a man----the police were cruising up and down Jefferson hunting for Oswald, and he ran to a shoestore and then came out and came on up to the Texas, and the man came in and told me that a man fitting that description came in the show and he wanted me to help him find him, and we went and checked the exit doors, he was up in the balcony, I imagine, and then we went back out and the police caught him downstairs.
Burroughs could NOT have told the police the comment in CE-2003 because he thought the man they were looking for was in the BALCONY! Another employee, Julia Postal, couldn’t be the person because she is female and said this to the WC.
Mr. BALL. Well, now, was this before they had gone into the theatre that this officer used the phone?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. It was after?
Mrs. POSTAL. There was not one man walked through this theatre. They were running.
Mr. BALL. Did the officers go in the front of the theatre?
Mrs. POSTAL. Yes. Definitely.
Mr. BALL. Did you go in?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; I stayed at the box office.
Mr. BALL. You didn't see anything that happened inside?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir.
She clearly says she stayed in the BOX OFFICE and did NOT go into the theater so she is eliminated due to this and the FACT she was FEMALE and NOT male. There are NO other employees to account for this as the manager of the theater, or at least Postal’s boss, was gone. She said this in her testimony.
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; I was looking up, as I say, when the cars passed, as you know, they make a tremendous noise, and he ducked in as my boss went that way to get in his car.
Mr. BALL. Who is your boss?
Mrs. POSTAL. Mr. John A. Callahan.
Mr. BALL. Where did you say he was?
Mrs. POSTAL. Yes; I say, they bypassed each other, actually, the man ducked in this way and my employer went that-a-way, to get in his car.
We see that Callahan was leaving the theater when LHO was supposedly ducking in. This means ONLY a person NOT associated with the TT could have told Westbrook where “THE MAN” WAS SITTING. Again, could this have been Jack Ruby?
In 1979 he would tell a news reporter that he did recognize the man as Jack Ruby! Applin told the DMN the following:
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At the time the Warren Commission had me down there at the Post Office in Dallas to get my statement, I was afraid to give it. I gave everything up to the point of what I gave the police there in town....I'm a pretty nervous guy anyway because I'll you what: After I saw that magazine where all those people they said were connected with some of this had come up dead, it kind of made me keep a low profile....(Jack) Ruby was sitting down, just watching them. And when Oswald pulled the gun and snapped it at (McDonald's) head and missed and the darned thing wouldn't fire, that is when I tapped him on the shoulder and told him he had better move because those guns were waving around. He just turned around and looked at me. He then turned around and started watching them. (Jim Marrs, Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, p. 352)
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Applin said he recognized Ruby later on from the photos shown on television following his shooting of LHO. So he knew who this man was even though he told the WC twice he did NOT, and the reason for this lie was given in the above statement. He was afraid for his life IF he gave away this key piece of information. IF this is correct, and I don't know why Applin would say it was Ruby IF it was not, then we have a repeated pattern of Ruby sightings. Ruby was seen by several witnesses in DP prior to the shootings (Mercer, Adams, Hill, Couch, Wise and Tilson), a sighting (and photograph according to witness Phil Willis) in front of the TSBD after the shooting (some Mexican women working nearby said they saw Ruby as well in front of the TSBD, although some researchers dispute this now), Ruby in TT (Applin), Ruby at Parkland Hospital (Parkland Hospital — Wilma Tice and White House correspondent Seth Kantor), and of course the repeated sightings of Ruby at Police HQ during the weekend leading up to the shooting.
My feeling has always been that Ruby was assigned the job of eliminating LHO, but he was supposed to do it before he left the TSBD! When he botched this he then followed him according to plan and was present for the arrest. When LHO allegedly pulled his revolver with the faulty firing pin (some researchers have said he got this pistol from Ruby) the opportunity was there for the Dallas Police Department (DPD - N.M. McDonald probably) to eliminate him again! Whether he actually pulled the pistol or not has been debated, but Applin said he did while describing LHO wearing clothes he was NOT wearing.
Mr. BALL - Took a swing at him and what happened then?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the officer, I heard him say, "Here he is." And during the proceeding of that, I guess about 5 or 10 seconds later, there was another--I think it was two officers, or one, passed me and ran down there to him.
Mr. BALL - Did you see a gun? (Leading question)
Mr. APPLIN - Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.
Mr. BALL - Then did you see a gun? (Leading and repetitive question)
Mr. APPLIN - Yes, sir; but only--there was one gun. The pistol. It came into view before any of the other officers got there.
Mr. BALL - That is what I mean. What do you say happened about that? Who pulled a gun?
Mr. APPLIN - Well, anyhow, the officer was facing this way [indicating] and Oswald was facing this way [indicating]. And then the gun was pointed out that way [indicating].
CE-143, the alleged “LHO’s revolver” had a serious issue with the firing pin to the point it would NOT allegedly fire in the TT, but we are to believe LHO fired it FOUR TIMES into J.D. Tippit! Does this make any sense to you?
When the attempt to rid the world of LHO failed at the TT they were left with one option -- transfer time! And despite Ruby showing up an HOUR AND TWENTY MINUTES LATE LHO was still there for him to gun down!
The testimony and evidence of this post (from the WC’s own twenty-six volumes) again sinks their conclusion.