Post by Rob Caprio on Feb 6, 2024 21:12:41 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) said that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) shot and killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK) all by himself. They also said he shot and killed Dallas Police officer J.D. Tippit (JDT) all by himself. The one thing that made many Americans doubt that he was a “lone nut” was the fact that he was killed on November 24, 1963, by another supposed “lone nut” named Jack Ruby.
We have looked at the transfer of LHO before in other posts in many ways, and it does show an unprecedented pattern of carelessness and unusual things (i.e., the Sheriff’s office is responsible for transferring prisoners and did so in 99% of transfers, but not in this case) taking place. One thing that lead to the thought of conspiracy early on was the fact the Dallas Police Department (DPD) was given ample warnings that LHO would be killed, and they seemed to do nothing about it.
This post will look at these warnings in more detail.
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The first warning came in about 2:15 a.m. on November 24, 1963 and it was taken by Deputy Sheriff McCoy. He would say the man told him the following.
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…he stated that he was a member of a group of one hundred people. The man wanted the Sheriff’s office to know that they voted one hundred percent to kill Oswald while he was in the process of being transferred to the county jail. He wanted to inform the Sheriff’s department so that none of the Deputies would get hurt. (Decker Exhibit 5023, pp. 537-539)
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Obviously the caller thought the Sheriff’s office would be handling the transfer as they usually did, but they weren’t responsible for moving LHO as that was given to the DPD to do. Who were these one hundred people who voted to kill LHO? We will never know since the authorities did NOT investigate this (if they did we have NEVER seen the results of the investigation) to find out. Sheriff Decker checked in with Deputy McCoy at 2:00 a.m. to see if anything had happened in terms of bad calls, and at that time nothing had occurred. Then at 2:15 a.m. he got the call above. At 2:30 a.m. McCoy would call the DPD and let them know about this threat and they said they had not received any calls like that yet.
McCoy described the man’s voice as follows: “The voice was deep and course and sounded very sincere and talked with ease. The person did not seem excited like some of the calls that we had received running down this department, the Police Department, and State of Texas and he seemed very calm about the whole matter.”
The next call came in at 2:30 a.m. to the Dallas FBI office. The caller asked for the Agent-in-charge, but they were told they were not in. After hearing this, the individual said the following to Agent Vernon Glossup.
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I represent a committee that is neither right or left wing and tonight, tomorrow morning, or tomorrow night, we are going to kill the man who killed the President. There will be no excitement and we will kill him. We wanted to be sure and tell the FBI, Police Department, and Sheriff’s Office, and we will be there and we will kill him. (FBI Interview of Vernon Glossup, 11/24/63, CE 2013, p. 429)
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Again, we see a calm approach to this killing as the caller says there will be “no excitement and we WILL kill him.” We have to ask again, who was this “committee”? This was obviously not a political group since they said they were not right or left wing. We again are left with nothing else as this committee was never uncovered.
At 3:00 a.m. Dallas Police officer Billy Grammer received a phone call from a man who told him that he couldn’t give his name, but that Grammer “knew him.” The caller than recounted the entire plan to move LHO including the use of a decoy vehicle and said, “You’re going to make some other plans or we’re going to kill Oswald right there in the basement.” This call would be remembered by Secret Service (SS) Agent Forrest Sorrels in his WC testimony.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, in that connection, had you heard that the FBI had received an anonymous phone call from someone advising that an effort, by a group of men, would be made to kill Oswald?
Mr. SORRELS. I do not recall that I had heard any such report at that time. I did hear that there had been an anonymous call come into the police department that someone would try to kill him when they removed him, or words to that effect. But that, I believe, was subsequent to the time he was actually shot. I do not recall that morning of having heard anything about that. And I definitely did not hear anything about a group. I remembered something about it later on, but I never heard anything about it at that time.
At 3:45 a.m. FBI SA Newsom called DPD Captain W.B. Frazier and told him about the anonymous call to the Dallas FBI office in which the caller said a group of people had decided that LHO would be killed that night or the following day and there wasn’t anything anyone could do to stop it. Frazier would relay this to Captain Will Fritz at 6:00 a.m. Meanwhile, according to Deputy McCoy’s report (see above) he said Sheriff Decker had wanted to move LHO while it was dark and in secret, and came close to ordering it, but then said he better speak with Fritz first. Of course that order never came.
Captain Frazier would receive a telephone call from Deputy Sheriff Cox after 5:00 a.m. telling him that Sheriff Decker wanted LHO transferred as soon as possible. Frazier would try and call Chief Curry around 6:00 a.m. for 15 minutes, but the line was busy. We will see why in a moment.
For a full account of Frazier’s story see this—Frazier Exhibit 5086:
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As we saw earlier in another post, Captain Cecil Talbert was informed by Captain Frazier about the calls that said LHO would be killed when he took over the watch at 6:00 a.m. Talbert also tried to call Chief Curry to inform him of this news, but he also had no luck because the Chief had his phone off the hook at this vital time!
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…he [Talbert] was informed by Captain W.B. Frazier that the Dallas FBI office and Sheriff Bill Decker had called and informed that the FBI had received an anonymous call that Lee Harvey Oswald would be KILLED this date. Captain Frazier told him that he had attempted to contact Chief Curry but was unable to do so. Talbert attempted to contact Chief Curry by telephone and the telephone line was OUT OF ORDER. He directed a squad to Chief Curry’s home with instructions for Chief Curry to call him. At about 6:30 AM Chief Curry CALLED and he relayed the message to the Chief. (Emphasis added) (Talbert Ex. 5068)
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I have no idea why his phone would be off the hook at this key time when his department would be transferring LHO in a matter of hours. The man who shot him was said to arrive in the basement at 11:18 or 11:19 a.m. according to the WC’s version of events right after he sent a telegram at 11:17 a.m., but he was seen in front of the DPD headquarters before that by two WBAP-TV cameramen—Warren Richey and Ira Walker. Ira Walker testified before the WC and he related the first time he ever saw Ruby in person.
Mr. HUBERT. Would you state for the record just how you came to see this person?
Mr. WALKER. I was sitting in the truck at the audio board. We were waiting for Oswald to be brought down. The press had been told he would not be transferred until after 10:30 in the morning. That is the only thing I can tie the time down to, because we were on a standby basis waiting for Oswald to be moved, and Ruby came to the window of the truck and asked, "Has he been brought down yet?" He was standing on the sidewalk.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he have a hat on?
Mr. WALKER. I don't know. He came to the window twice.
Mr. HUBERT. How far apart were the two times?
Mr. WALKER. I do not know. It was after 10:30.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think he could have come to the window earlier than 10:30?
Mr. WALKER. I don't know. I don't believe at the time I saw him at the window, well, I am almost sure it was after 10:30, because I know I was sitting there. We were on a standby basis and waiting, and he did not mention Oswald's name, that I can remember.
It was, he just said, "Has he been brought down yet?" And everybody knew who he was talking about, or I did.
This shows Jack Ruby was hanging around the DPD headquarters for some time and did NOT go into the basement on a moment’s notice after sending his telegram as the WC claimed. The question by Hubert seems to be one of the most ridiculous questions asked by the WC and that is saying a lot. “Did he have a hat on?” How does that matter? Walker confirmed later on that the man he saw at his truck on the morning of November 24, 1963, was Jack Ruby.
Mr. HUBERT. When you did look through the door at the district attorney's request and saw Jack Ruby, what opinion did you reach?
Mr. WALKER. I knew it was the same man.
Mr. HUBERT. Are you willing to say that the same man who was Jack Ruby in the courtroom was the man whom you described as coming up to the window?
Mr. WALKER. That was the same thing I told the Dallas district attorney, that the only reason I remember Jack Ruby is because within minutes after the shooting we had mug shots of Ruby on camera from the third floor of the city hall. And if it hadn't been for those mug shots being in such a close time after he came to the window, I probably would never have remembered seeing him.
Of course this was not good enough for the WC (two times he confirmed that Ruby was the man who came to his truck) as they would ask yet again the same question.
Mr. HUBERT. But as you sit here now, your best impression is that--better still, your opinion is that the man who did look through that window and asked you, "Have they brought him down yet?" was Jack Ruby?
Mr. WALKER. Yes.
O.K. I think we see it was Jack Ruby that Ira Walker saw on the morning of November 24, 1963, in front of DPD headquarters well before the time he sent the Western Union telegram. He would be forced to confirm this again later on his testimony. Clearly, this sighting was a problem to the WC’s version of events.
Mr. HUBERT. That FBI report which has been identified as 5315, contains the statement in the middle paragraph reading as follows, to wit:
"Walker said that on the morning of November 24, that the first time he recalled seeing Jack Ruby was shortly before the mobile unit was set up, which would have been between 7:30 and 8 a.m. Walker said that he first saw Ruby shortly after the armored truck was backed into the basement of the Police Department." Now would you address your comments to that statement, Mr. Walker?
Mr. WALKER. I believe one of the other boys said he saw him between 7:30 and 8, but it was not me because I don't remember seeing him. But as far as the association with the armored truck, now the armored truck was not backed into there until around 10:30.
Mr. HUBERT. Your thought is that when you saw Ruby the first time----
Mr. WALKER. Was after 10:30.
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The WC was very concerned by this and would ask him again, but I won’t post it as we have seen he said he saw Ruby at either 10:30 a.m. or a little after that. Either way, it shows Ruby was at DPD headquarters long before 11:18 or 11:19 a.m. as claimed. He was also interested in LHO’s whereabouts as well.
Walker would be corroborated by Warren Richey in his WC testimony as he too said Jack Ruby came to their truck on Sunday morning, November 24, 1963, to inquire about LHO’s whereabouts.
Mr. HUBERT. Now would you tell us about that.
Mr. RICHEY. Well, the man that I think was him and I am positive, pretty sure in my own mind it was, he was just out on the street alongside the truck in front of the building, the city court building.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he in the street in the sense that the place where the automobiles were, or on the sidewalk alongside the building? On the left side of the truck then?
Mr. RICHEY. Yes, sir.
Richey was even more damaging to the WC’s version of events as he said he believed it was 8:00 a.m. when he saw Ruby near his press truck.
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us what happened.
Mr. RICHEY. Well, the time that I saw him was, I would say, in the neighborhood of 8 o'clock in the morning.
Mr. HUBERT. Is there any way you fix the time?
Mr. RICHEY. Not definitely, because we were busy lining up cameras, and I didn't really pay much attention to the time, but I would say it was somewhere in that neighborhood.
Mr. HUBERT. What happened between the two of you?
Mr. RICHEY. Nothing, as far as I was concerned. I just saw him out there.
He would see Ruby again around 10:00 a.m. as well.
Mr. HUBERT. You think that was about 8 o'clock, in the morning?
Mr. RICHEY. The first time I saw him was somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 o'clock. I am not positive.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember how long he stood around there?
Mr. RICHEY. Well, I saw him again sometime, I would say, around 10 or a little before 10, and he was down past the ramp this time that goes into the building--basement.
This shows Ruby was there for some time, and again, this shoots down the WC’s claim that Ruby acted in haste and went down to the basement immediately after sending a Western Union telegram. Richey is asked to fix the time between LHO’s shooting and the sighting of Ruby the second time.
Mr. HUBERT. Judging from the time that Oswald was actually shot or measuring from that time backward, could you tell us how long it was from the time Oswald was shot, backward until you saw Ruby; or to put it another way, how much time elapsed from the last time you saw Ruby until Oswald was shot?
Mr. RICHEY. It was an hour or better.
Any way we slice this we see the story of Ruby acting spontaneously and showing up on a spur of the moment thought is untrue. As we saw previously in another post, Ruby was stalking LHO all weekend and the morning of November 24 was no different. Richey gave us a positive identification of Ruby in his testimony.
Mr. HUBERT. What is your opinion now as to whether or not the man that you have described that you saw twice on November 24, at about 8 and then again about 10 on Commerce Street is or is not the man that you now know from having seen pictures and so forth, as Jack Ruby?
Mr. RICHEY. I still believe that it is the same man.
The third strike against the WC’s version of events (i.e., their conclusion) was John Smith who also worked for WBAP-TV and he too saw Jack Ruby near the truck.
Mr. HUBERT. Does that require that you be inside of the truck?
Mr. SMITH. Generally. You make short trips outside the truck. …It was during one of these particular trips away from the truck to contact the telephone company that I first saw this person that I believe to be the same man as Jack Ruby.
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us what time that was?
Mr. SMITH. Now here the times are going to have to be fairly accurate. As far as minutes and seconds, we don't watch things that closely, but the first time I saw this person has to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 8:15 a.m.
Mr. HUBERT. Now there must be some reason why you fix that time?
Mr. SMITH. We went to work at 7, and it takes approximately an hour to turn everything on and get it all warmed up to proper operation. Then we go through this thing of what we call "lineup procedure," on all the cameras, which we had done. So for that reason, I placed this time at approximately an hour after 7 a.m.
Mr. HUBERT. But when all that procedure is done, did you leave the truck?
Mr. SMITH. Not yet.
So we see Smith is very precise and he said he saw Ruby at around 8:15 a.m. Of course, the WC would try and put doubt in Smith’s mind by asking him outside of the mug shot he was shown could he say other photographs of Ruby matched the man he saw that morning.
Mr. HUBERT. At least as much as you feel that the man on the street was the Jack Ruby you saw in the mug shot?
Mr. SMITH. Right. Now I am drawing a comparison between the man in the window and the mug shot. Those two struck me as being the same. The pictures that I saw in film are not as familiar to me, you know. That is hard to explain. I don't guess it makes sense, does it?
We get it. The WC was desperate and would do anything to make you think you didn’t see Jack Ruby hours before he shot LHO. Unfortunately for them, three men saw him and they can’t all be “mistaken.”
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The Warren Commission (WC) said that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) shot and killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK) all by himself. They also said he shot and killed Dallas Police officer J.D. Tippit (JDT) all by himself. The one thing that made many Americans doubt that he was a “lone nut” was the fact that he was killed on November 24, 1963, by another supposed “lone nut” named Jack Ruby.
We have looked at the transfer of LHO before in other posts in many ways, and it does show an unprecedented pattern of carelessness and unusual things (i.e., the Sheriff’s office is responsible for transferring prisoners and did so in 99% of transfers, but not in this case) taking place. One thing that lead to the thought of conspiracy early on was the fact the Dallas Police Department (DPD) was given ample warnings that LHO would be killed, and they seemed to do nothing about it.
This post will look at these warnings in more detail.
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The first warning came in about 2:15 a.m. on November 24, 1963 and it was taken by Deputy Sheriff McCoy. He would say the man told him the following.
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…he stated that he was a member of a group of one hundred people. The man wanted the Sheriff’s office to know that they voted one hundred percent to kill Oswald while he was in the process of being transferred to the county jail. He wanted to inform the Sheriff’s department so that none of the Deputies would get hurt. (Decker Exhibit 5023, pp. 537-539)
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Obviously the caller thought the Sheriff’s office would be handling the transfer as they usually did, but they weren’t responsible for moving LHO as that was given to the DPD to do. Who were these one hundred people who voted to kill LHO? We will never know since the authorities did NOT investigate this (if they did we have NEVER seen the results of the investigation) to find out. Sheriff Decker checked in with Deputy McCoy at 2:00 a.m. to see if anything had happened in terms of bad calls, and at that time nothing had occurred. Then at 2:15 a.m. he got the call above. At 2:30 a.m. McCoy would call the DPD and let them know about this threat and they said they had not received any calls like that yet.
McCoy described the man’s voice as follows: “The voice was deep and course and sounded very sincere and talked with ease. The person did not seem excited like some of the calls that we had received running down this department, the Police Department, and State of Texas and he seemed very calm about the whole matter.”
The next call came in at 2:30 a.m. to the Dallas FBI office. The caller asked for the Agent-in-charge, but they were told they were not in. After hearing this, the individual said the following to Agent Vernon Glossup.
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I represent a committee that is neither right or left wing and tonight, tomorrow morning, or tomorrow night, we are going to kill the man who killed the President. There will be no excitement and we will kill him. We wanted to be sure and tell the FBI, Police Department, and Sheriff’s Office, and we will be there and we will kill him. (FBI Interview of Vernon Glossup, 11/24/63, CE 2013, p. 429)
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Again, we see a calm approach to this killing as the caller says there will be “no excitement and we WILL kill him.” We have to ask again, who was this “committee”? This was obviously not a political group since they said they were not right or left wing. We again are left with nothing else as this committee was never uncovered.
At 3:00 a.m. Dallas Police officer Billy Grammer received a phone call from a man who told him that he couldn’t give his name, but that Grammer “knew him.” The caller than recounted the entire plan to move LHO including the use of a decoy vehicle and said, “You’re going to make some other plans or we’re going to kill Oswald right there in the basement.” This call would be remembered by Secret Service (SS) Agent Forrest Sorrels in his WC testimony.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, in that connection, had you heard that the FBI had received an anonymous phone call from someone advising that an effort, by a group of men, would be made to kill Oswald?
Mr. SORRELS. I do not recall that I had heard any such report at that time. I did hear that there had been an anonymous call come into the police department that someone would try to kill him when they removed him, or words to that effect. But that, I believe, was subsequent to the time he was actually shot. I do not recall that morning of having heard anything about that. And I definitely did not hear anything about a group. I remembered something about it later on, but I never heard anything about it at that time.
At 3:45 a.m. FBI SA Newsom called DPD Captain W.B. Frazier and told him about the anonymous call to the Dallas FBI office in which the caller said a group of people had decided that LHO would be killed that night or the following day and there wasn’t anything anyone could do to stop it. Frazier would relay this to Captain Will Fritz at 6:00 a.m. Meanwhile, according to Deputy McCoy’s report (see above) he said Sheriff Decker had wanted to move LHO while it was dark and in secret, and came close to ordering it, but then said he better speak with Fritz first. Of course that order never came.
Captain Frazier would receive a telephone call from Deputy Sheriff Cox after 5:00 a.m. telling him that Sheriff Decker wanted LHO transferred as soon as possible. Frazier would try and call Chief Curry around 6:00 a.m. for 15 minutes, but the line was busy. We will see why in a moment.
For a full account of Frazier’s story see this—Frazier Exhibit 5086:
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As we saw earlier in another post, Captain Cecil Talbert was informed by Captain Frazier about the calls that said LHO would be killed when he took over the watch at 6:00 a.m. Talbert also tried to call Chief Curry to inform him of this news, but he also had no luck because the Chief had his phone off the hook at this vital time!
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…he [Talbert] was informed by Captain W.B. Frazier that the Dallas FBI office and Sheriff Bill Decker had called and informed that the FBI had received an anonymous call that Lee Harvey Oswald would be KILLED this date. Captain Frazier told him that he had attempted to contact Chief Curry but was unable to do so. Talbert attempted to contact Chief Curry by telephone and the telephone line was OUT OF ORDER. He directed a squad to Chief Curry’s home with instructions for Chief Curry to call him. At about 6:30 AM Chief Curry CALLED and he relayed the message to the Chief. (Emphasis added) (Talbert Ex. 5068)
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I have no idea why his phone would be off the hook at this key time when his department would be transferring LHO in a matter of hours. The man who shot him was said to arrive in the basement at 11:18 or 11:19 a.m. according to the WC’s version of events right after he sent a telegram at 11:17 a.m., but he was seen in front of the DPD headquarters before that by two WBAP-TV cameramen—Warren Richey and Ira Walker. Ira Walker testified before the WC and he related the first time he ever saw Ruby in person.
Mr. HUBERT. Would you state for the record just how you came to see this person?
Mr. WALKER. I was sitting in the truck at the audio board. We were waiting for Oswald to be brought down. The press had been told he would not be transferred until after 10:30 in the morning. That is the only thing I can tie the time down to, because we were on a standby basis waiting for Oswald to be moved, and Ruby came to the window of the truck and asked, "Has he been brought down yet?" He was standing on the sidewalk.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he have a hat on?
Mr. WALKER. I don't know. He came to the window twice.
Mr. HUBERT. How far apart were the two times?
Mr. WALKER. I do not know. It was after 10:30.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you think he could have come to the window earlier than 10:30?
Mr. WALKER. I don't know. I don't believe at the time I saw him at the window, well, I am almost sure it was after 10:30, because I know I was sitting there. We were on a standby basis and waiting, and he did not mention Oswald's name, that I can remember.
It was, he just said, "Has he been brought down yet?" And everybody knew who he was talking about, or I did.
This shows Jack Ruby was hanging around the DPD headquarters for some time and did NOT go into the basement on a moment’s notice after sending his telegram as the WC claimed. The question by Hubert seems to be one of the most ridiculous questions asked by the WC and that is saying a lot. “Did he have a hat on?” How does that matter? Walker confirmed later on that the man he saw at his truck on the morning of November 24, 1963, was Jack Ruby.
Mr. HUBERT. When you did look through the door at the district attorney's request and saw Jack Ruby, what opinion did you reach?
Mr. WALKER. I knew it was the same man.
Mr. HUBERT. Are you willing to say that the same man who was Jack Ruby in the courtroom was the man whom you described as coming up to the window?
Mr. WALKER. That was the same thing I told the Dallas district attorney, that the only reason I remember Jack Ruby is because within minutes after the shooting we had mug shots of Ruby on camera from the third floor of the city hall. And if it hadn't been for those mug shots being in such a close time after he came to the window, I probably would never have remembered seeing him.
Of course this was not good enough for the WC (two times he confirmed that Ruby was the man who came to his truck) as they would ask yet again the same question.
Mr. HUBERT. But as you sit here now, your best impression is that--better still, your opinion is that the man who did look through that window and asked you, "Have they brought him down yet?" was Jack Ruby?
Mr. WALKER. Yes.
O.K. I think we see it was Jack Ruby that Ira Walker saw on the morning of November 24, 1963, in front of DPD headquarters well before the time he sent the Western Union telegram. He would be forced to confirm this again later on his testimony. Clearly, this sighting was a problem to the WC’s version of events.
Mr. HUBERT. That FBI report which has been identified as 5315, contains the statement in the middle paragraph reading as follows, to wit:
"Walker said that on the morning of November 24, that the first time he recalled seeing Jack Ruby was shortly before the mobile unit was set up, which would have been between 7:30 and 8 a.m. Walker said that he first saw Ruby shortly after the armored truck was backed into the basement of the Police Department." Now would you address your comments to that statement, Mr. Walker?
Mr. WALKER. I believe one of the other boys said he saw him between 7:30 and 8, but it was not me because I don't remember seeing him. But as far as the association with the armored truck, now the armored truck was not backed into there until around 10:30.
Mr. HUBERT. Your thought is that when you saw Ruby the first time----
Mr. WALKER. Was after 10:30.
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The WC was very concerned by this and would ask him again, but I won’t post it as we have seen he said he saw Ruby at either 10:30 a.m. or a little after that. Either way, it shows Ruby was at DPD headquarters long before 11:18 or 11:19 a.m. as claimed. He was also interested in LHO’s whereabouts as well.
Walker would be corroborated by Warren Richey in his WC testimony as he too said Jack Ruby came to their truck on Sunday morning, November 24, 1963, to inquire about LHO’s whereabouts.
Mr. HUBERT. Now would you tell us about that.
Mr. RICHEY. Well, the man that I think was him and I am positive, pretty sure in my own mind it was, he was just out on the street alongside the truck in front of the building, the city court building.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he in the street in the sense that the place where the automobiles were, or on the sidewalk alongside the building? On the left side of the truck then?
Mr. RICHEY. Yes, sir.
Richey was even more damaging to the WC’s version of events as he said he believed it was 8:00 a.m. when he saw Ruby near his press truck.
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us what happened.
Mr. RICHEY. Well, the time that I saw him was, I would say, in the neighborhood of 8 o'clock in the morning.
Mr. HUBERT. Is there any way you fix the time?
Mr. RICHEY. Not definitely, because we were busy lining up cameras, and I didn't really pay much attention to the time, but I would say it was somewhere in that neighborhood.
Mr. HUBERT. What happened between the two of you?
Mr. RICHEY. Nothing, as far as I was concerned. I just saw him out there.
He would see Ruby again around 10:00 a.m. as well.
Mr. HUBERT. You think that was about 8 o'clock, in the morning?
Mr. RICHEY. The first time I saw him was somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 o'clock. I am not positive.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember how long he stood around there?
Mr. RICHEY. Well, I saw him again sometime, I would say, around 10 or a little before 10, and he was down past the ramp this time that goes into the building--basement.
This shows Ruby was there for some time, and again, this shoots down the WC’s claim that Ruby acted in haste and went down to the basement immediately after sending a Western Union telegram. Richey is asked to fix the time between LHO’s shooting and the sighting of Ruby the second time.
Mr. HUBERT. Judging from the time that Oswald was actually shot or measuring from that time backward, could you tell us how long it was from the time Oswald was shot, backward until you saw Ruby; or to put it another way, how much time elapsed from the last time you saw Ruby until Oswald was shot?
Mr. RICHEY. It was an hour or better.
Any way we slice this we see the story of Ruby acting spontaneously and showing up on a spur of the moment thought is untrue. As we saw previously in another post, Ruby was stalking LHO all weekend and the morning of November 24 was no different. Richey gave us a positive identification of Ruby in his testimony.
Mr. HUBERT. What is your opinion now as to whether or not the man that you have described that you saw twice on November 24, at about 8 and then again about 10 on Commerce Street is or is not the man that you now know from having seen pictures and so forth, as Jack Ruby?
Mr. RICHEY. I still believe that it is the same man.
The third strike against the WC’s version of events (i.e., their conclusion) was John Smith who also worked for WBAP-TV and he too saw Jack Ruby near the truck.
Mr. HUBERT. Does that require that you be inside of the truck?
Mr. SMITH. Generally. You make short trips outside the truck. …It was during one of these particular trips away from the truck to contact the telephone company that I first saw this person that I believe to be the same man as Jack Ruby.
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us what time that was?
Mr. SMITH. Now here the times are going to have to be fairly accurate. As far as minutes and seconds, we don't watch things that closely, but the first time I saw this person has to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 8:15 a.m.
Mr. HUBERT. Now there must be some reason why you fix that time?
Mr. SMITH. We went to work at 7, and it takes approximately an hour to turn everything on and get it all warmed up to proper operation. Then we go through this thing of what we call "lineup procedure," on all the cameras, which we had done. So for that reason, I placed this time at approximately an hour after 7 a.m.
Mr. HUBERT. But when all that procedure is done, did you leave the truck?
Mr. SMITH. Not yet.
So we see Smith is very precise and he said he saw Ruby at around 8:15 a.m. Of course, the WC would try and put doubt in Smith’s mind by asking him outside of the mug shot he was shown could he say other photographs of Ruby matched the man he saw that morning.
Mr. HUBERT. At least as much as you feel that the man on the street was the Jack Ruby you saw in the mug shot?
Mr. SMITH. Right. Now I am drawing a comparison between the man in the window and the mug shot. Those two struck me as being the same. The pictures that I saw in film are not as familiar to me, you know. That is hard to explain. I don't guess it makes sense, does it?
We get it. The WC was desperate and would do anything to make you think you didn’t see Jack Ruby hours before he shot LHO. Unfortunately for them, three men saw him and they can’t all be “mistaken.”