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The Bay of Pigs invasion was not meant to succeed as only 1,500 men were landed and Fidel Castro has an army of over 200,000 men. What it was meant to do was force the new, young, (and what they thought -- naive) president to order in the military forces of the United States. President John F. Kennedy stunned them by not doing this.
He did order two airstrikes, but they were stopped by in his inner circle who were not working for him, but rather the forces behind this invasion (CIA, DIA, the military, most likely the ONI, and the power structure behind the scenes now called the "Deep State"). They were angered to the highest degree that this young upstart would defy their recommendations and do what he wanted to do instead. It was as IF he thought he was really the president. In their minds, he wasn't. He was just the face to the people.
Remember this when you read this. The CIA sold him out to the anti-Castro exiles and others to make them hate him.
This is right after the Bay of Pigs invasion in "Harvey & Lee." -- John Duncan
"There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan. What matters is only one fact... I am the responsible officer of the government." -- John F. Kennedy
Seeds of Dissention
By John Armstrong
"Harvey & Lee"
Seeds Of Dissention
William Gaudet, who knew fellow CIA agents E. Howard Hunt and Bernard Barker very well said, "I know that every last one of them (the Cubans) had the very highest respect for Hunt... I mean it was a mystic name...just mention Hunt and they would follow through on something...anything that Hunt would have asked them to do would have been done...he (Hunt) was the prime organizer of the Bay of Pigs...and he was the man that put this whole show together and... I'd say that he was trusted more by the Cubans more than any Gringo that I know of... I know that these Cubans who went up there (to the Bay of Pigs), that were solicited by Hunt did it out of blind loyalty to Hunt... I mean the ones that would pay the penalty."
Gaudet spoke about President Kennedy's assassination and observed, "I don't think this plot started over night...to kill the President... I think, as a matter of fact, it started within... I would say, within weeks after the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and it just took it that long to finally get to a head."
If Gaudet was correct, and this author believes he was, then the series of events which culminated in the assassination of President Kennedy began with the defeat of the CIA at the Bay of Pigs, and were orchestrated by CIA Director Allen Dulles, CIA officers Richard Helms, James Angleton, E. Howard Hunt, Bernard Barker, David Atlee Phillips, Frank Sturgis (Fiorini), and several Cuban exiles. There is no question these people had the capability to assassinate political leaders - the CIA often resorted to political assassinations. Frank Sturgis (Fiorini), by his own admission, had murdered dozens of Castro's political enemies while working undercover for the CIA. E. Howard Hunt, whose specialty was black operations, had participated in coups d' Etat and assassinations in Guatemala and Panama. Frank Sturgis (Fiorini) said, "Howard (Hunt) was in charge of a couple of other CIA operations involving disposal (assassination), and I can tell you that some of them worked." Hunt gave little thought to assassinating political leaders and was the reportedly the first person to suggest to CIA director Allen Dulles that Castro be assassinated.
These were the people involved in the assassination of President Kennedy. They had the motive, means, will, and opportunity. Hunt and Phillips were in Mexico City when Oswald allegedly visited the Russian and Cuban embassies and were said to be in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Allen Dulles visited Vice-President Lyndon Johnson's home in Texas a few days before the assassination and two weeks later was named by President Johnson as a member of the Warren Commission.
The American Public and the Cuban exiles were told that President Kennedy's failure to authorize air support was the reason for the defeat, capture, and imprisonment of the invaders. As members of Brigade 2506 languished in Cuban prisons, the resentment towards the President grew more intense. Members of Operation 40, who had participated in the Bay of Pigs, were incensed. Marita Lorenz said, "Orlando Bosch was totally fanatic, and (Fiorini) Sturgis just hated Kennedy. "F--king Kennedy" this and "f--king Kenedy" that. Sturgis wanted Kennedy dead. (In 1976 Orlando Bosch planned the bombing of a Cubana airliner which claimed the lives of 73 people, mostly Cuban athletes. The murder was subsequently pardoned by his former mentor, President George H.W. Bush, a former CIA operative and CIA Director.)
The mastermind of the failed operation, E. Howard Hunt, along with Bernard Barker, David Atlee Phillips, and their renegade Cuban exiles felt betrayed and hated the President. Hunt later wrote in his autobiography:
"No event since the communization of China in 1949 has had such a profound effect on the United States and its allies as the defeat of the US-trained Cuban brigade at the Bay of Pigs in 1961... Instead of standing firm, our government pyramided crucially wrong decisions and allowed Brigade 2506 to be destroyed. The Kennedy administration yielded Castro all the excuse he needed to gain a tighter grip on the island..."
But what Hunt, CIA officials, and the exiles refused to admit, and the CIA-influenced press refused to tell the public, was that the small band of invaders faced overwhelming odds even with U.S. air support and had little chance for success. The CIA's militant attitude towards Cuba remained steadfast throughout the remainder of the 20th century, and was championed by George H.W. Bush when he became CIA Director in 1975, became Vice-President under Ronald Reagan (1980-1988), and became President (1988-1992).
Hunt, Phillips, and Barker had participated in successful "coups d'etat's" in the 1950s and were no doubt stunned by the failed operation. These career CIA officers continued to work together throughout the 1960s and were involved in the break-in of Daniel Ellsberg's Psychiatrist's office in 1971 and in the Watergate affair in 1972 along with Frank Fiorini/Sturgis. The former head of JM/WAVE, including Felix Rodriques and Eugenio Martinez (of Watergate fame), later flew missions for the CIA in the Congo, played key roles in Nicaragua, were involved in operations in the Persian Gulf, and were supervised by Vice-President George H. Bush and Ted Shackley in the Iran-Contra affair.
In the 1980s they directed the contra supply effort in Central America while working under the direct supervision of Vice-President George H.W. Bush and Vice-Presidential Security Advisor Donald Gregg (who worked with Rodriguez in Vietnam and was CIA chief of station in Seoul, South Korea.) To a large degree, the covert operations, conducted by these CIA operatives in the last half of the 20th century influenced U.S. policy to a far greater degree than the policies of our elected officials. The involvement of George H.W. Bush in these operations and his appointed as CIA Director n 1975 places him at the center of covert CIA operations. These operations have resulted in some of the greatest political scandals in U.S. history, have caused enormous resentment toward the United States, and they began with the assassination of President Kennedy.
In the summer of 1961, David Ferrie gave a speech before the New Orleans chapter of the Military Order of World Wars. His topic was the Kennedy Administration and the recent Bay of Pigs fiasco. Ferrie became so critical of President Kennedy that he was asked to stop speaking. Ferrie later confided to a group of friends that JFK "ought to be shot." Ferrie's hatred of President Kennedy was also shared by his close friend Guy Bannister who told an associate, "Someone should do away with Kennedy."
Both Ferrie and Bannister undoubtedly knew the Bay of Pigs defeat was the result of poor planning and wishful thinking on the part of high-level CIA officers. But the CIA began a disinformation campaign that helped convince the public that it was President Kennedy who was to blame for the failed invasion. Even today many uninformed people still believe that the invasion failed because of the President's refusal to provide air support.
Reports of hostility toward President Kennedy among the Cuban exile groups reached Cuban State Security officials in Havana. General Fabian Escalante Font said the exiles were convinced that President Kennedy was responsible for the failure at the Bay of Pigs and that he was a communist. Two years later, in the summer of 1963, the Cubans infiltrated a special group within the CIA. According to General Escalante a CIA official visited a safehouse and remarked, "The Cubans (exiles) must eliminate the pinko in the White House."
Harvey and Lee 353-55
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The Bay of Pigs invasion was not meant to succeed as only 1,500 men were landed and Fidel Castro has an army of over 200,000 men. What it was meant to do was force the new, young, (and what they thought -- naive) president to order in the military forces of the United States. President John F. Kennedy stunned them by not doing this.
He did order two airstrikes, but they were stopped by in his inner circle who were not working for him, but rather the forces behind this invasion (CIA, DIA, the military, most likely the ONI, and the power structure behind the scenes now called the "Deep State"). They were angered to the highest degree that this young upstart would defy their recommendations and do what he wanted to do instead. It was as IF he thought he was really the president. In their minds, he wasn't. He was just the face to the people.
Remember this when you read this. The CIA sold him out to the anti-Castro exiles and others to make them hate him.
This is right after the Bay of Pigs invasion in "Harvey & Lee." -- John Duncan
"There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan. What matters is only one fact... I am the responsible officer of the government." -- John F. Kennedy
Seeds of Dissention
By John Armstrong
"Harvey & Lee"
Seeds Of Dissention
William Gaudet, who knew fellow CIA agents E. Howard Hunt and Bernard Barker very well said, "I know that every last one of them (the Cubans) had the very highest respect for Hunt... I mean it was a mystic name...just mention Hunt and they would follow through on something...anything that Hunt would have asked them to do would have been done...he (Hunt) was the prime organizer of the Bay of Pigs...and he was the man that put this whole show together and... I'd say that he was trusted more by the Cubans more than any Gringo that I know of... I know that these Cubans who went up there (to the Bay of Pigs), that were solicited by Hunt did it out of blind loyalty to Hunt... I mean the ones that would pay the penalty."
Gaudet spoke about President Kennedy's assassination and observed, "I don't think this plot started over night...to kill the President... I think, as a matter of fact, it started within... I would say, within weeks after the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and it just took it that long to finally get to a head."
If Gaudet was correct, and this author believes he was, then the series of events which culminated in the assassination of President Kennedy began with the defeat of the CIA at the Bay of Pigs, and were orchestrated by CIA Director Allen Dulles, CIA officers Richard Helms, James Angleton, E. Howard Hunt, Bernard Barker, David Atlee Phillips, Frank Sturgis (Fiorini), and several Cuban exiles. There is no question these people had the capability to assassinate political leaders - the CIA often resorted to political assassinations. Frank Sturgis (Fiorini), by his own admission, had murdered dozens of Castro's political enemies while working undercover for the CIA. E. Howard Hunt, whose specialty was black operations, had participated in coups d' Etat and assassinations in Guatemala and Panama. Frank Sturgis (Fiorini) said, "Howard (Hunt) was in charge of a couple of other CIA operations involving disposal (assassination), and I can tell you that some of them worked." Hunt gave little thought to assassinating political leaders and was the reportedly the first person to suggest to CIA director Allen Dulles that Castro be assassinated.
These were the people involved in the assassination of President Kennedy. They had the motive, means, will, and opportunity. Hunt and Phillips were in Mexico City when Oswald allegedly visited the Russian and Cuban embassies and were said to be in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Allen Dulles visited Vice-President Lyndon Johnson's home in Texas a few days before the assassination and two weeks later was named by President Johnson as a member of the Warren Commission.
The American Public and the Cuban exiles were told that President Kennedy's failure to authorize air support was the reason for the defeat, capture, and imprisonment of the invaders. As members of Brigade 2506 languished in Cuban prisons, the resentment towards the President grew more intense. Members of Operation 40, who had participated in the Bay of Pigs, were incensed. Marita Lorenz said, "Orlando Bosch was totally fanatic, and (Fiorini) Sturgis just hated Kennedy. "F--king Kennedy" this and "f--king Kenedy" that. Sturgis wanted Kennedy dead. (In 1976 Orlando Bosch planned the bombing of a Cubana airliner which claimed the lives of 73 people, mostly Cuban athletes. The murder was subsequently pardoned by his former mentor, President George H.W. Bush, a former CIA operative and CIA Director.)
The mastermind of the failed operation, E. Howard Hunt, along with Bernard Barker, David Atlee Phillips, and their renegade Cuban exiles felt betrayed and hated the President. Hunt later wrote in his autobiography:
"No event since the communization of China in 1949 has had such a profound effect on the United States and its allies as the defeat of the US-trained Cuban brigade at the Bay of Pigs in 1961... Instead of standing firm, our government pyramided crucially wrong decisions and allowed Brigade 2506 to be destroyed. The Kennedy administration yielded Castro all the excuse he needed to gain a tighter grip on the island..."
But what Hunt, CIA officials, and the exiles refused to admit, and the CIA-influenced press refused to tell the public, was that the small band of invaders faced overwhelming odds even with U.S. air support and had little chance for success. The CIA's militant attitude towards Cuba remained steadfast throughout the remainder of the 20th century, and was championed by George H.W. Bush when he became CIA Director in 1975, became Vice-President under Ronald Reagan (1980-1988), and became President (1988-1992).
Hunt, Phillips, and Barker had participated in successful "coups d'etat's" in the 1950s and were no doubt stunned by the failed operation. These career CIA officers continued to work together throughout the 1960s and were involved in the break-in of Daniel Ellsberg's Psychiatrist's office in 1971 and in the Watergate affair in 1972 along with Frank Fiorini/Sturgis. The former head of JM/WAVE, including Felix Rodriques and Eugenio Martinez (of Watergate fame), later flew missions for the CIA in the Congo, played key roles in Nicaragua, were involved in operations in the Persian Gulf, and were supervised by Vice-President George H. Bush and Ted Shackley in the Iran-Contra affair.
In the 1980s they directed the contra supply effort in Central America while working under the direct supervision of Vice-President George H.W. Bush and Vice-Presidential Security Advisor Donald Gregg (who worked with Rodriguez in Vietnam and was CIA chief of station in Seoul, South Korea.) To a large degree, the covert operations, conducted by these CIA operatives in the last half of the 20th century influenced U.S. policy to a far greater degree than the policies of our elected officials. The involvement of George H.W. Bush in these operations and his appointed as CIA Director n 1975 places him at the center of covert CIA operations. These operations have resulted in some of the greatest political scandals in U.S. history, have caused enormous resentment toward the United States, and they began with the assassination of President Kennedy.
In the summer of 1961, David Ferrie gave a speech before the New Orleans chapter of the Military Order of World Wars. His topic was the Kennedy Administration and the recent Bay of Pigs fiasco. Ferrie became so critical of President Kennedy that he was asked to stop speaking. Ferrie later confided to a group of friends that JFK "ought to be shot." Ferrie's hatred of President Kennedy was also shared by his close friend Guy Bannister who told an associate, "Someone should do away with Kennedy."
Both Ferrie and Bannister undoubtedly knew the Bay of Pigs defeat was the result of poor planning and wishful thinking on the part of high-level CIA officers. But the CIA began a disinformation campaign that helped convince the public that it was President Kennedy who was to blame for the failed invasion. Even today many uninformed people still believe that the invasion failed because of the President's refusal to provide air support.
Reports of hostility toward President Kennedy among the Cuban exile groups reached Cuban State Security officials in Havana. General Fabian Escalante Font said the exiles were convinced that President Kennedy was responsible for the failure at the Bay of Pigs and that he was a communist. Two years later, in the summer of 1963, the Cubans infiltrated a special group within the CIA. According to General Escalante a CIA official visited a safehouse and remarked, "The Cubans (exiles) must eliminate the pinko in the White House."
Harvey and Lee 353-55