Post by John Duncan on Jun 7, 2024 20:00:03 GMT -5
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[Note: These are different thoughts by Gil Jesus over the years. I am putting them together for this post and adding some context where needed. -- John Duncan]
Here are some thoughts by Gil Jesus over the years. First, a couple of lies by Dallas Police Department Captain Will Fritz. These are from February 2010. JD
Testimony, Volume 4, page 219 --- Fritz testifies that Buell Frazier measured the Oswald package at 26-27 inches.
Mr. BALL. Did Frazier ever tell you how long the package was?
Mr. FRITZ. He just measured, told me about that long.
Mr. BALL. Approximately how long?
Mr. FRITZ. I am guessing at this, the way he measured, probably 26 inches, 27 inches, something like that. Too short for the length of that rifle unless he took it down, I presume he took it down if it was in there, and I am sure it was.
Then Fritz lies and tells the Commission that Frazier's estimation of the length of the bag was the size of the Depository rifle broken down.
Mr. BALL. ...was it the way Frazier showed it to you--was it the size of a rifle that was broken down?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; it would be just about right. (4 H 219)
Fritz lied as the alleged murder weapon rifle was still 34 inches when broken down. Another lie by Fritz was regarding the Mauser rifle.
Mr. BALL. There is one question. Did you hear anybody refer to this rifle as a Mauser that day?
Mr. BOONE. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Who referred to it as a Mauser that day?
Mr. BOONE. I believe Captain Fritz. He had knelt down there to look at it, and before he removed it, not knowing what it was, he said that is what it looks like. This is when Lieutenant Day, I believe his name is, the ID man was getting ready to photograph it. We were just discussing it back and forth. And he said it looks like a 7.65 Mauser. (3 H 295)
Mr. BALL. Well, did you ever make any---did you ever say that it was a 7.65 Mauser?
Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I am sure I did not. (4 H 206)
Fritz was the one who said that the rifle found first was a Mauser and then he denied it later on. This topic is from September 2009 and deals with the alleged murder weapon. JD
PROBLEMS WITH THE SCOPE
In the ad that the Commission says Hidell/Oswald ordered his rifle with, it was the 36-inch length MC that was offered with the scope.
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But the Depository Carcano is 40.2" long. (3 H 395)
The Klein's employee who originated the idea of mounting a scope on the rifle was Mitchell Westra. He told the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) that Klein's only mounted the scope on the 36-inch MC.
(HSCA interview of Westra 2/20/78)
The man who actually mounted the scopes for Klein's was William Sharp, their in-house gunsmith. He confirmed what Westra testified to: the package deal with the scope and MC rifle was used by Klein's to market the 36-inch MC.
(HSCA interview of Sharp, 2/21/78)
In addition, Robert Frazier testified that when the FBI ordered a replica rifle to the 40.2" Depository Carcano from Klein's, they had to tell Klein's where to position the scope on the rifle. (3 H 396)
Frazier also testified that the scope mount was loose when he received it for examination (3 H 411) and although he assumed that the scope was removed in the search for fingerprints, no inquiry was ever made by the WC to ascertain why the scope mount was loose.
So, if Oswald ordered a 36" Carcano with a scope for $19.95 and paid $1.50 for shipping, where did the Warren Commission's rifle -- a 40-inch MC with a loose scope mount -- come from?
It is claimed by the LNers that Lee Harvey Oswald was mistakenly mailed a 40-inch model by accident, but they have never put forth any evidence to support this claim over the many decades that they have made it. Furthermore, Klein's Sporting Goods had no 40-inch models to send anyway as they did not receive them until April. Research by John Armstrong showed this decades ago, but the LNers keep peddling the same lie year after year.
Two days before the assassination, November 20, 1963, a TSBD employee by the name of Warren Caster brought two rifles into the building. This is from 2008 by Gil. JD
Mr. BALL. On November 20, 1963, you saw two guns owned by Mr. Warren Caster, can you tell me where and when and the circumstances under which you saw these guns?
Mr. TRULY. ...Mr. Caster explained to me that he had bought himself a rifle to go deer hunting with... (7 H 381)
Mr. BALL. Did you ever bring any guns into the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. And what kind of guns were they?
Mr. CASTER. One gun was a Remington, single-shot, .22 rifle, and the other was a .30-06 sporterized Mauser. (7 H 387)
Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the rifle with any more particularity than you already have?
Mr. ROWLAND. ...it appeared to me to be a .30-odd size 6, a deer rifle with a fairly large or powerful scope. (2 H 170)
Suspiciously coincidental.
Doesn't this rifle sound more like a type of rifle to be used in an assassination attempt? The .22 caliber is also mentioned a number of times in the assassination story as well. There was no investigation into these rifles and Caster's word was simply taken when he said he took them home. There is no support for this statement at all. Those guns could have been stored within the TSBD quite easily. JD[/b]
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[Note: These are different thoughts by Gil Jesus over the years. I am putting them together for this post and adding some context where needed. -- John Duncan]
Here are some thoughts by Gil Jesus over the years. First, a couple of lies by Dallas Police Department Captain Will Fritz. These are from February 2010. JD
Testimony, Volume 4, page 219 --- Fritz testifies that Buell Frazier measured the Oswald package at 26-27 inches.
Mr. BALL. Did Frazier ever tell you how long the package was?
Mr. FRITZ. He just measured, told me about that long.
Mr. BALL. Approximately how long?
Mr. FRITZ. I am guessing at this, the way he measured, probably 26 inches, 27 inches, something like that. Too short for the length of that rifle unless he took it down, I presume he took it down if it was in there, and I am sure it was.
Then Fritz lies and tells the Commission that Frazier's estimation of the length of the bag was the size of the Depository rifle broken down.
Mr. BALL. ...was it the way Frazier showed it to you--was it the size of a rifle that was broken down?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; it would be just about right. (4 H 219)
Fritz lied as the alleged murder weapon rifle was still 34 inches when broken down. Another lie by Fritz was regarding the Mauser rifle.
Mr. BALL. There is one question. Did you hear anybody refer to this rifle as a Mauser that day?
Mr. BOONE. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Who referred to it as a Mauser that day?
Mr. BOONE. I believe Captain Fritz. He had knelt down there to look at it, and before he removed it, not knowing what it was, he said that is what it looks like. This is when Lieutenant Day, I believe his name is, the ID man was getting ready to photograph it. We were just discussing it back and forth. And he said it looks like a 7.65 Mauser. (3 H 295)
Mr. BALL. Well, did you ever make any---did you ever say that it was a 7.65 Mauser?
Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I am sure I did not. (4 H 206)
Fritz was the one who said that the rifle found first was a Mauser and then he denied it later on. This topic is from September 2009 and deals with the alleged murder weapon. JD
PROBLEMS WITH THE SCOPE
In the ad that the Commission says Hidell/Oswald ordered his rifle with, it was the 36-inch length MC that was offered with the scope.
i.ibb.co/bFHkRgh/Klein-s-oswald-rifle-order.png
But the Depository Carcano is 40.2" long. (3 H 395)
The Klein's employee who originated the idea of mounting a scope on the rifle was Mitchell Westra. He told the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) that Klein's only mounted the scope on the 36-inch MC.
(HSCA interview of Westra 2/20/78)
The man who actually mounted the scopes for Klein's was William Sharp, their in-house gunsmith. He confirmed what Westra testified to: the package deal with the scope and MC rifle was used by Klein's to market the 36-inch MC.
(HSCA interview of Sharp, 2/21/78)
In addition, Robert Frazier testified that when the FBI ordered a replica rifle to the 40.2" Depository Carcano from Klein's, they had to tell Klein's where to position the scope on the rifle. (3 H 396)
Frazier also testified that the scope mount was loose when he received it for examination (3 H 411) and although he assumed that the scope was removed in the search for fingerprints, no inquiry was ever made by the WC to ascertain why the scope mount was loose.
So, if Oswald ordered a 36" Carcano with a scope for $19.95 and paid $1.50 for shipping, where did the Warren Commission's rifle -- a 40-inch MC with a loose scope mount -- come from?
It is claimed by the LNers that Lee Harvey Oswald was mistakenly mailed a 40-inch model by accident, but they have never put forth any evidence to support this claim over the many decades that they have made it. Furthermore, Klein's Sporting Goods had no 40-inch models to send anyway as they did not receive them until April. Research by John Armstrong showed this decades ago, but the LNers keep peddling the same lie year after year.
Two days before the assassination, November 20, 1963, a TSBD employee by the name of Warren Caster brought two rifles into the building. This is from 2008 by Gil. JD
Mr. BALL. On November 20, 1963, you saw two guns owned by Mr. Warren Caster, can you tell me where and when and the circumstances under which you saw these guns?
Mr. TRULY. ...Mr. Caster explained to me that he had bought himself a rifle to go deer hunting with... (7 H 381)
Mr. BALL. Did you ever bring any guns into the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. And what kind of guns were they?
Mr. CASTER. One gun was a Remington, single-shot, .22 rifle, and the other was a .30-06 sporterized Mauser. (7 H 387)
Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the rifle with any more particularity than you already have?
Mr. ROWLAND. ...it appeared to me to be a .30-odd size 6, a deer rifle with a fairly large or powerful scope. (2 H 170)
Suspiciously coincidental.
Doesn't this rifle sound more like a type of rifle to be used in an assassination attempt? The .22 caliber is also mentioned a number of times in the assassination story as well. There was no investigation into these rifles and Caster's word was simply taken when he said he took them home. There is no support for this statement at all. Those guns could have been stored within the TSBD quite easily. JD[/b]