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This post will conclude the rebuttal Mark Lane did on Dallas DA Henry Wade's claims against Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) during his Saturday, November 23, 1963, press conference.
ALL quotes by Wade are from the 11/26/63 N.Y. Times edition.
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Note: The "Darryl Click" point has been discussed ad nauseam already. The LNers claim it was a "transcription error", but have offered no support for this claim. Furthermore, they have never explained how an organization as big as the New York Times would be relying on a transcription copy when they had people at the press conference.
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Point Ten
While riding a bus from the scene (allegedly the murder scene -- TSBD) Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) laughed loudly as he told a woman passenger that the President had been shot. Wade said, "The next we hear of him is on a bus where he got on at Lamar Street, told the bus driver the President had been shot, the President. (He) told the lady--all this was verified by statements--told the lady on the bus that the President had been shot. He said, 'How did he know?' He said a man back there told him. The defendant said, 'Yes, he's been shot' and laughed very loud."
Before I get to some of Mark Lane's comments let me make a few of my own. Firstly, is this how a DA is supposed to talk? This is a very spotty statement that reminds me of someone who is telling a false story. When people lie they tend to make very choppy comments as they are putting the tale together. This sounds like that to me, and of course 49 years later we KNOW he was lying as we have had access to the WC's evidence since 1964 and NO such "statements" say LHO was on the bus (save Bledsoe who couldn't show she knew LHO at all prior to 11/22/63), let alone making comments like this one.
Secondly, it has been shown by the driver, Cecil McWatters, the man (very young man/boy) who said this comment was really Milton Jones, NOT LHO! This is from his WC testimony:
Mr. BALL - Didn't some lady say something?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, yes, sir.
Now, as we got on out on Marsalis, along about it was either Edgemont or Vermont, I believe it was Vermont Street, there was a lady who was fixing to cross the intersection and I stopped and asked her if she was going to catch the bus into town from the opposite direction, and she said that she was and I told her that we was off schedule, that the other bus had done went into town, and I asked her did she care to just ride on to the end of the line and come back and she wouldn't have to stand there and wait, and she was getting on, and I asked her had she heard the news of the President being shot, at the time that was all I knew about it, and she said, "No, what are you--you are just kidding me."
I said, "No, I really am not kidding you." I said, "It is the truth from all the reliable sources that we have come in contact with," and this teenage boy sitting on the side, I said "Well, now, if you think I am kidding you," I said, "Ask this gentleman sitting over here," and he kind of, I don't know whether it was a grinning or smile or whatever expression it was, and she said, "I know you are kidding now, because he laughed or grinned or made some remark to that effect."
And I just told her no it wasn't no kidding matter, but that was part of the conversation that was said at that time.
Mr. BALL - Was this teenage boy--do you know where this teenage boy got on the bus?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir; he got on at between, he got on at the stop, in other words, I stopped in front of the Majestic theater which is a block before I get to St. Paul; in other words, it is a middle of the stop, block stop, in other words. We pull in and stop in the center of the block, and my next stop would be St. Paul; in other words, that is where the teenage boy got on.
So we see LHO was NOT the "man" making grins/smiles or laughing out loud as claimed. This boy was later ID'd as Milton Jones.
Lane's first point is to ask why Wade made NO attempt to explain how LHO escaped from a supposedly "sealed off" building. We know now the TSBD was NOT sealed for some time, but the day after the shooting and for some time they acted like they did seal it off right away. Lane then asks, "Why did LHO, fleeing the scene of a murder, joke PUBLICLY about the murder? (Again, one could ask why would he do this and then DENY doing the crime to the POLICE too) Why did he laugh very "loud?" Lane says this is hardly behavior consistent with 48 hours of constant denial of guilt while in police custody. Lane further points out that this statement is so bizarre and ridiculous that the FBI SAID IT WAS UNTRUE in their "off-the-record" briefing session with the press!
This means NOT only did Wade LIE to us, but he LIED about the evidence as he claimed this was all VERIFIED BY STATEMENTS (from witnesses)! Why would he do this if the case against LHO was "cinched" as he claimed?
Point Eleven
A taxi driver, Darryl Click, took LHO home, where he changed clothes. Wade said, "He then--the bus, he asked the bus driver to stop, got off at a stop, caught a taxi cab driver, Darryl Click--I don't have his exact place--and went to his home in Oak City, CHANGED HIS CLOTHES hurriedly, and then left."
It is funny how WC defenders support Wade and the Warren Commission (WC) so much, but the comment he makes about LHO changing clothes is dismissed out of hand. The WC defenders do NOT admit he changed his shirt at all.
On November 27, it was conceded that "Darryl Click" did NOT drive a taxi cab in which LHO was a passenger. When "Darryl Click" disappeared from the case "William Whaley" appeared as the man who drove LHO, NOT home, but at least in that general direction. Lane is the one who puts Whaley's name in QUOTES and it makes me wonder why? What was he saying about him? Was he really a cab driver at all? I don't know as he says no more about that, but I am left wondering.
My post on Whaley in this series shows he was NOT the most consistent witness and that the WC was using a COPY of his trip report that HE BROUGHT because the FBI NEVER gave them the ORIGINAL. He fibbed about using 15 minute blocks. He marked down that LHO entered his cab at 12:30 p.m. President John F. Kennedy (JFK) was NOT shot UNTIL 12:31 p.m.! IF the WC defenders want to say Whaley was correct then LHO is proven innocent as NO one can be in TWO places at once. IF they don't, and they don't in all likelihood, then we have to chalk up another witness as being "mistaken!" How many witnesses are "mistaken" in this case to them? TOO many to count is the answer, but then they say ONLY CTers deny the evidence or claim it is all wrong or faked!
Point Twelve
LHO shot and killed a police officer. Wade said, "He walked up to the car. Officer Tippit stepped out of the car and started around it. He shot him three times and killed him."
As we know from the evidence the WC had NO evidence to support this statement in the least. They had NO way to show LHO owned, or was carrying, CE-143 at the time of the shooting. They had NO way to show that CE-143 was the murder weapon (the FBI could NOT match one bullet taken from JDT to it). They had NO way of showing how LHO got to the murder scene or how he could have walked the near mile in so little time. NOT one witness was found to say they saw LHO walking the route he allegedly walked. They could NOT match the bullets inside JDT to the shells allegedly found (the ones found had initials put on them and these would be missing later and when the witnesses were shown the shells by the WC they said they were NOT the same ones they found) in terms of the manufacturer. They had a few witnesses who claimed it was LHO they saw, but when you read their testimonies it is clear they were coached and described clothing LHO was NOT wearing. The WC had NO physical, ballistic or firm eyewitness testimony to link LHO to this shooting.
Also, JDT was shot FOUR times! He didn't even get this right!
Lane pointed out the Dallas authorities first said Tippit was shot in a movie theater (was this the plan all along, say LHO shot him at TT while "resisting arrest?"). They then said he was shot on a street DIFFERENT from 10th and Patton! Finally, it became 10th and Patton. NO wonder they could find NO witness to say they saw LHO walking the route when they themselves did NOT seem to know what route it would be!
Wade said this case was "set" and all the evidence "proved LHO shot JDT". As I have just outlined -- the evidence the WC gave us could NOT prove LHO JAYWALKED let alone shot JDT. So what evidence is Wade referring to? Lane pointed out this curious admission by Wade at the press conference to a reporter's question:
Reporter: Was this (where LHO shot JDT) in front of the boarding house?
Wade: No, its not in front of the boarding house.
Reporter: Where was it?
Wade: I don't have it exact.
Then why was Wade so certain he shot him then?
Point Thirteen
A witness saw LHO enter the Texas Theater. Wade said, "Someone saw him go into the Texas Theater."
It should be pointed out that even this simple assertion CHANGED. Initially, the person who "saw" this was the cashier (Postal) who became suspicious when she noticed LHO change from seat to seat. But this stretched the bounds of believable, even for the DPD and Wade, as she was stationed OUTSIDE the theater so how could she see anything going on inside? She couldn't. Then the story became the USHER saw LHO changing seats. Why this was disregarded is NOT known, but it was. Finally, we got the shoe store salesman, Brewer, noticing LHO "acting suspiciously" when a police car drove by, and he allegedly saw LHO duck into the theater without paying. IF they couldn't get this simple part of the story correctly, how can we trust them with the bigger issues?
Lane then asks some good questions -- What did LHO do before entering the theater to attract attention? In what manner where his actions "suspicious?" Lane then mentions that a new experts that were emerging from the firearm-psychology area said LHO could have overcome the fact he was NOT good with a rifle by developing a "psychotic condition" that would have generated a "nerveless condition" so he could fire those shots at JFK and be successful in hitting him two out of three times. Yet, as Lane points out, this "nerveless condition" seems to disappear near the movie theater. Why? He also mentions that when Baker put a gun to him he was "cool as a cucumber--although he seemed a little bothered by the gun." (Washington Post, 12/1/63) How do we jive these two versions of LHO? He was "cool as a cucumber" while in police custody, so why would he loose this nerve in front of the shoe store?
Point Fourteen
LHO drew a pistol and attempted to kill the arresting officer. The firing pin struck and marked the bullet but it did not explode. Wade said, "He (LHO) struck at the officer, put the gun against head and snapped it, but it did not--the bullet--did not go off. We have the snapped bullet there. Officers apprehended at that time. It misfired being on the--the shell didn't explode. We have where it hit it, but it didn't explode."
Wade said LHO pulled the gun and fired it causing the firing pin to strike down on the bullet and they had this bullet in evidence, so why did Officer MacDonald tell a different story then? He said this, "I got my hand on the butt of his gun. I could feel LHO's hand on the trigger. I jerked my hand and was able to slow down the trigger movement. HE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FORCE TO FIRE IT." (Washington Post, 12/1/63)
At the press conference a reporter asked about this:
Reporter: There was one officer who said that he pulled the trigger, but he managed to put his thumb in the part before the firing pin. It didn't strike the--the bullet did NOT explode. Is that...?
Wade: I don't know whether it's that or not. I know he DIDN'T snap is all I know about. (N.Y. Times, 11/26/63)
So if he knows he DIDN'T SNAP THE GUN (i.e. fire it), why was he saying he did and they had the bullet to prove it? Does this sound like Wade's assertion has any basis IN FACT?
Point Fifteen
A map was found in LHO's possession showing the scene of the assassination and the bullet's trajectory. This was announced on Monday, November 25, 1963.
"Today Mr. Wade announced that the authorities had also found a marked map, showing the course of the President's motorcade in LHO's rented room. 'It was a map tracing the location of the parade route,' the district attorney said, 'and this place (TSBD) was marked with a straight line.' Mr. Wade said LHO had marked the map in two other places, 'apparently places he considered a possibility for an assassination." (N.Y. Times, 11/25/63)
As Lane points out this map was introduced THREE DAYS after LHO was arrested. IF he had it in his possession for the Saturday press conference he surely would have mentioned it, but he didn't. Furthermore, on the day of his arrest, the DPD removed ALL OF HIS BELONGINGS from his room telling the landlady "LHO would not return." IF they took all of his belongings then, why did it take three days to "find" the alleged map? Just two days later the press would BURY this map by saying, "Dallas officials yesterday DENIED such a map exists." (Washington Post, 11/27/63)
Why would Wade mention a map, and make a big deal of it, when just two days later it would be said NO SUCH MAP EXISTED? Based on this behavior, why do any WC defenders ask us CTers why we think evidence was faked or tampered with? Could the remark about "marking two other places for the assassination" be the reason this was so quickly buried? Perhaps the map did exists and showed the work LHO was doing for the CONSPIRACY or his work in ferreting out the conspiracy so it had to be gotten rid of. Just a thought.
We see that the remarks and assertions Wade made at his press conference had NO basis in reality or fact. He willfully made up things to make LHO look bad. That is the job I guess of a DA, but this went beyond the normal zest for justice. He knew they had NO evidence linking LHO to any shootings, but he lied to the American people and made it seem like they did. IT would take years for some citizens to point out to the American people (with NO help from the MSM) that they had been lied to.
Now, because of their hard work, the vast majority of Americans KNOW a conspiracy took place on 11/22/63. It is evident every time the MSM repeat the same lies the WC gave us in 1964.
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This post will conclude the rebuttal Mark Lane did on Dallas DA Henry Wade's claims against Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) during his Saturday, November 23, 1963, press conference.
ALL quotes by Wade are from the 11/26/63 N.Y. Times edition.
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Note: The "Darryl Click" point has been discussed ad nauseam already. The LNers claim it was a "transcription error", but have offered no support for this claim. Furthermore, they have never explained how an organization as big as the New York Times would be relying on a transcription copy when they had people at the press conference.
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Point Ten
While riding a bus from the scene (allegedly the murder scene -- TSBD) Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) laughed loudly as he told a woman passenger that the President had been shot. Wade said, "The next we hear of him is on a bus where he got on at Lamar Street, told the bus driver the President had been shot, the President. (He) told the lady--all this was verified by statements--told the lady on the bus that the President had been shot. He said, 'How did he know?' He said a man back there told him. The defendant said, 'Yes, he's been shot' and laughed very loud."
Before I get to some of Mark Lane's comments let me make a few of my own. Firstly, is this how a DA is supposed to talk? This is a very spotty statement that reminds me of someone who is telling a false story. When people lie they tend to make very choppy comments as they are putting the tale together. This sounds like that to me, and of course 49 years later we KNOW he was lying as we have had access to the WC's evidence since 1964 and NO such "statements" say LHO was on the bus (save Bledsoe who couldn't show she knew LHO at all prior to 11/22/63), let alone making comments like this one.
Secondly, it has been shown by the driver, Cecil McWatters, the man (very young man/boy) who said this comment was really Milton Jones, NOT LHO! This is from his WC testimony:
Mr. BALL - Didn't some lady say something?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, yes, sir.
Now, as we got on out on Marsalis, along about it was either Edgemont or Vermont, I believe it was Vermont Street, there was a lady who was fixing to cross the intersection and I stopped and asked her if she was going to catch the bus into town from the opposite direction, and she said that she was and I told her that we was off schedule, that the other bus had done went into town, and I asked her did she care to just ride on to the end of the line and come back and she wouldn't have to stand there and wait, and she was getting on, and I asked her had she heard the news of the President being shot, at the time that was all I knew about it, and she said, "No, what are you--you are just kidding me."
I said, "No, I really am not kidding you." I said, "It is the truth from all the reliable sources that we have come in contact with," and this teenage boy sitting on the side, I said "Well, now, if you think I am kidding you," I said, "Ask this gentleman sitting over here," and he kind of, I don't know whether it was a grinning or smile or whatever expression it was, and she said, "I know you are kidding now, because he laughed or grinned or made some remark to that effect."
And I just told her no it wasn't no kidding matter, but that was part of the conversation that was said at that time.
Mr. BALL - Was this teenage boy--do you know where this teenage boy got on the bus?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir; he got on at between, he got on at the stop, in other words, I stopped in front of the Majestic theater which is a block before I get to St. Paul; in other words, it is a middle of the stop, block stop, in other words. We pull in and stop in the center of the block, and my next stop would be St. Paul; in other words, that is where the teenage boy got on.
So we see LHO was NOT the "man" making grins/smiles or laughing out loud as claimed. This boy was later ID'd as Milton Jones.
Lane's first point is to ask why Wade made NO attempt to explain how LHO escaped from a supposedly "sealed off" building. We know now the TSBD was NOT sealed for some time, but the day after the shooting and for some time they acted like they did seal it off right away. Lane then asks, "Why did LHO, fleeing the scene of a murder, joke PUBLICLY about the murder? (Again, one could ask why would he do this and then DENY doing the crime to the POLICE too) Why did he laugh very "loud?" Lane says this is hardly behavior consistent with 48 hours of constant denial of guilt while in police custody. Lane further points out that this statement is so bizarre and ridiculous that the FBI SAID IT WAS UNTRUE in their "off-the-record" briefing session with the press!
This means NOT only did Wade LIE to us, but he LIED about the evidence as he claimed this was all VERIFIED BY STATEMENTS (from witnesses)! Why would he do this if the case against LHO was "cinched" as he claimed?
Point Eleven
A taxi driver, Darryl Click, took LHO home, where he changed clothes. Wade said, "He then--the bus, he asked the bus driver to stop, got off at a stop, caught a taxi cab driver, Darryl Click--I don't have his exact place--and went to his home in Oak City, CHANGED HIS CLOTHES hurriedly, and then left."
It is funny how WC defenders support Wade and the Warren Commission (WC) so much, but the comment he makes about LHO changing clothes is dismissed out of hand. The WC defenders do NOT admit he changed his shirt at all.
On November 27, it was conceded that "Darryl Click" did NOT drive a taxi cab in which LHO was a passenger. When "Darryl Click" disappeared from the case "William Whaley" appeared as the man who drove LHO, NOT home, but at least in that general direction. Lane is the one who puts Whaley's name in QUOTES and it makes me wonder why? What was he saying about him? Was he really a cab driver at all? I don't know as he says no more about that, but I am left wondering.
My post on Whaley in this series shows he was NOT the most consistent witness and that the WC was using a COPY of his trip report that HE BROUGHT because the FBI NEVER gave them the ORIGINAL. He fibbed about using 15 minute blocks. He marked down that LHO entered his cab at 12:30 p.m. President John F. Kennedy (JFK) was NOT shot UNTIL 12:31 p.m.! IF the WC defenders want to say Whaley was correct then LHO is proven innocent as NO one can be in TWO places at once. IF they don't, and they don't in all likelihood, then we have to chalk up another witness as being "mistaken!" How many witnesses are "mistaken" in this case to them? TOO many to count is the answer, but then they say ONLY CTers deny the evidence or claim it is all wrong or faked!
Point Twelve
LHO shot and killed a police officer. Wade said, "He walked up to the car. Officer Tippit stepped out of the car and started around it. He shot him three times and killed him."
As we know from the evidence the WC had NO evidence to support this statement in the least. They had NO way to show LHO owned, or was carrying, CE-143 at the time of the shooting. They had NO way to show that CE-143 was the murder weapon (the FBI could NOT match one bullet taken from JDT to it). They had NO way of showing how LHO got to the murder scene or how he could have walked the near mile in so little time. NOT one witness was found to say they saw LHO walking the route he allegedly walked. They could NOT match the bullets inside JDT to the shells allegedly found (the ones found had initials put on them and these would be missing later and when the witnesses were shown the shells by the WC they said they were NOT the same ones they found) in terms of the manufacturer. They had a few witnesses who claimed it was LHO they saw, but when you read their testimonies it is clear they were coached and described clothing LHO was NOT wearing. The WC had NO physical, ballistic or firm eyewitness testimony to link LHO to this shooting.
Also, JDT was shot FOUR times! He didn't even get this right!
Lane pointed out the Dallas authorities first said Tippit was shot in a movie theater (was this the plan all along, say LHO shot him at TT while "resisting arrest?"). They then said he was shot on a street DIFFERENT from 10th and Patton! Finally, it became 10th and Patton. NO wonder they could find NO witness to say they saw LHO walking the route when they themselves did NOT seem to know what route it would be!
Wade said this case was "set" and all the evidence "proved LHO shot JDT". As I have just outlined -- the evidence the WC gave us could NOT prove LHO JAYWALKED let alone shot JDT. So what evidence is Wade referring to? Lane pointed out this curious admission by Wade at the press conference to a reporter's question:
Reporter: Was this (where LHO shot JDT) in front of the boarding house?
Wade: No, its not in front of the boarding house.
Reporter: Where was it?
Wade: I don't have it exact.
Then why was Wade so certain he shot him then?
Point Thirteen
A witness saw LHO enter the Texas Theater. Wade said, "Someone saw him go into the Texas Theater."
It should be pointed out that even this simple assertion CHANGED. Initially, the person who "saw" this was the cashier (Postal) who became suspicious when she noticed LHO change from seat to seat. But this stretched the bounds of believable, even for the DPD and Wade, as she was stationed OUTSIDE the theater so how could she see anything going on inside? She couldn't. Then the story became the USHER saw LHO changing seats. Why this was disregarded is NOT known, but it was. Finally, we got the shoe store salesman, Brewer, noticing LHO "acting suspiciously" when a police car drove by, and he allegedly saw LHO duck into the theater without paying. IF they couldn't get this simple part of the story correctly, how can we trust them with the bigger issues?
Lane then asks some good questions -- What did LHO do before entering the theater to attract attention? In what manner where his actions "suspicious?" Lane then mentions that a new experts that were emerging from the firearm-psychology area said LHO could have overcome the fact he was NOT good with a rifle by developing a "psychotic condition" that would have generated a "nerveless condition" so he could fire those shots at JFK and be successful in hitting him two out of three times. Yet, as Lane points out, this "nerveless condition" seems to disappear near the movie theater. Why? He also mentions that when Baker put a gun to him he was "cool as a cucumber--although he seemed a little bothered by the gun." (Washington Post, 12/1/63) How do we jive these two versions of LHO? He was "cool as a cucumber" while in police custody, so why would he loose this nerve in front of the shoe store?
Point Fourteen
LHO drew a pistol and attempted to kill the arresting officer. The firing pin struck and marked the bullet but it did not explode. Wade said, "He (LHO) struck at the officer, put the gun against head and snapped it, but it did not--the bullet--did not go off. We have the snapped bullet there. Officers apprehended at that time. It misfired being on the--the shell didn't explode. We have where it hit it, but it didn't explode."
Wade said LHO pulled the gun and fired it causing the firing pin to strike down on the bullet and they had this bullet in evidence, so why did Officer MacDonald tell a different story then? He said this, "I got my hand on the butt of his gun. I could feel LHO's hand on the trigger. I jerked my hand and was able to slow down the trigger movement. HE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FORCE TO FIRE IT." (Washington Post, 12/1/63)
At the press conference a reporter asked about this:
Reporter: There was one officer who said that he pulled the trigger, but he managed to put his thumb in the part before the firing pin. It didn't strike the--the bullet did NOT explode. Is that...?
Wade: I don't know whether it's that or not. I know he DIDN'T snap is all I know about. (N.Y. Times, 11/26/63)
So if he knows he DIDN'T SNAP THE GUN (i.e. fire it), why was he saying he did and they had the bullet to prove it? Does this sound like Wade's assertion has any basis IN FACT?
Point Fifteen
A map was found in LHO's possession showing the scene of the assassination and the bullet's trajectory. This was announced on Monday, November 25, 1963.
"Today Mr. Wade announced that the authorities had also found a marked map, showing the course of the President's motorcade in LHO's rented room. 'It was a map tracing the location of the parade route,' the district attorney said, 'and this place (TSBD) was marked with a straight line.' Mr. Wade said LHO had marked the map in two other places, 'apparently places he considered a possibility for an assassination." (N.Y. Times, 11/25/63)
As Lane points out this map was introduced THREE DAYS after LHO was arrested. IF he had it in his possession for the Saturday press conference he surely would have mentioned it, but he didn't. Furthermore, on the day of his arrest, the DPD removed ALL OF HIS BELONGINGS from his room telling the landlady "LHO would not return." IF they took all of his belongings then, why did it take three days to "find" the alleged map? Just two days later the press would BURY this map by saying, "Dallas officials yesterday DENIED such a map exists." (Washington Post, 11/27/63)
Why would Wade mention a map, and make a big deal of it, when just two days later it would be said NO SUCH MAP EXISTED? Based on this behavior, why do any WC defenders ask us CTers why we think evidence was faked or tampered with? Could the remark about "marking two other places for the assassination" be the reason this was so quickly buried? Perhaps the map did exists and showed the work LHO was doing for the CONSPIRACY or his work in ferreting out the conspiracy so it had to be gotten rid of. Just a thought.
We see that the remarks and assertions Wade made at his press conference had NO basis in reality or fact. He willfully made up things to make LHO look bad. That is the job I guess of a DA, but this went beyond the normal zest for justice. He knew they had NO evidence linking LHO to any shootings, but he lied to the American people and made it seem like they did. IT would take years for some citizens to point out to the American people (with NO help from the MSM) that they had been lied to.
Now, because of their hard work, the vast majority of Americans KNOW a conspiracy took place on 11/22/63. It is evident every time the MSM repeat the same lies the WC gave us in 1964.