Post by Rob Caprio on Oct 16, 2018 9:30:20 GMT -5
All portions are ©️ Robert Caprio 2006-2024
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One of the best witnesses in Dealey Plaza (DP) was the man on the concrete abutment who was filming the entire motorcade from the turn onto Houston St. -- Abraham Zapruder. He was facing towards Elm St. and had the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) to his left. The famous Grassy Knoll (GK) was behind him and to his right. Let's look at where he thought the shots came from.
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Let's start with the number of shots he heard.
Mr. LIEBELER - ...Let me go back now for just a moment and ask you how many shots you heard altogether.
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I thought I heard two, it could be three, because to my estimation I thought he was hit on the second--I really don't know. The whole thing that has been transpiring--it was very upsetting and as you see I got a little better all the time and this came up again and it to me looked like the second shot, but I don't know. I never even heard a third shot.
So like the Warren Commission’s (WC) star witness, Howard Brennan, Zapruder ONLY heard two shots that he could be sure of! The WC and FBI said three shots were fired. ALL WC defenders say three shots were fired, but here are two witnesses that said ONLY two shots were fired! This is an issue for them.
Now look at this interesting comment.
Mr. LIEBELER - You didn't hear any shot after you saw him hit?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I heard the second--after the first shot--I saw him leaning over and after the second shot--it's possible after what I saw, you know, then I started yelling, "They killed him, they killed him," and I just felt that somebody had ganged up on him and I was still shooting the pictures until he got under the underpass--I don't even know how I did it. And then, I didn't even remember how I got down from that abutment there, but there I was, I guess, and I was walking toward--back toward my office and screaming, "They killed him, they killed him," and the people that I met on the way didn't even know what happened and they kept yelling, "What happened, what happened, what happened?" It seemed that they had heard a shot but they didn't know exactly what had happened as the car sped away, and I kept on just yelling, "They killed him, they killed him, they killed him," and finally got to my office and my secretary--I told her to call the police or the Secret Service--I don't know what she was doing, and that's about all. I was very much upset. Naturally, I couldn't imagine such a thing being done. I just went to my desk and stopped there until the police came and then we were required to get a place to develop the films. I knew I had something, I figured it might be of some help--I didn't know what.
As to what happened--I remember the police were running behind me. There were police running right behind me. Of course, they didn't realize yet, I guess, where the shot came from--that it came from that height.
Mr. LIEBELER - As you were standing on this abutment facing Elm street, you say the police ran over behind the concrete structure behind you and down the railroad track behind that, is that right?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - After the shots?
Mr. LIEBELER - Yes.
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Yes--after the shots--yes, some of them were motorcycle cops--I guess they left their motorcycles running and they were running right behind me, of course, in the line of the shooting. I guess they thought it came from right behind me.
So we see from this comment that the cops believed the shots came from BEHIND him in the area of the GK and the railroad tracks. I have had LNers tell me this comment was meant for the TSBD, but if you look at the map of DP and see where Zapruder was standing there is NO way he was referring to the TSBD. Luckily too, the WC counsel makes it clear for us what he meant by saying the "railroad tracks." Zapruder shows us the cops were reacting to shots from the GK area despite what the WC claimed.
Now, they ask him where he thought the shots originated from.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you have any impression as to the direction from which these shots came?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - No, I also thought it came from back of me. Of course, you can't tell when something is in line it could come from anywhere, but being I was here and he was hit on this line and he was hit right in the head--I saw it right around here, so it looked like it came from here and it could come from there.
Mr. LIEBELER - All right, as you stood here on the abutment and looked down into Elm Street, you saw the President hit on the right side of the head and you thought perhaps the shots had come from behind you?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - From the direction behind you?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Yes, actually--I couldn't say what I thought at the moment, where they came from--after the impact of the tragedy was really what I saw and I started and I said--yelling, "They've killed him"--I assumed that they came from there, because as the police started running back of me, it looked like it came from the back of me.
So despite him saying several times he believed they came from behind him the WC kept on asking to shake him of it. Finally, they got the word they were looking for -- assumed -- but unfortunately for them it was a good one since the police were RUNNING in that direction! But the WC did NOT give up.
Mr. LIEBELER - But you didn't form any opinion at that time as to what direction the shots did come from actually?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - No.
Really? I thought he formed the opinion the shots came from behind him BASED ON THE FACT THE POLICE WERE RUNNING THERE? Again, we see the WC working a witness who did NOT say what they wanted to hear UNTIL they did say what they wanted to hear. I think it is clear from what he said that he believed, and the cops of the DPD he mentioned, believed he shots came from the GK area near the railroad tracks. That SINKS the conclusion of the WC as they said the shots came from ONLY the TSBD.
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One of the best witnesses in Dealey Plaza (DP) was the man on the concrete abutment who was filming the entire motorcade from the turn onto Houston St. -- Abraham Zapruder. He was facing towards Elm St. and had the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) to his left. The famous Grassy Knoll (GK) was behind him and to his right. Let's look at where he thought the shots came from.
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Let's start with the number of shots he heard.
Mr. LIEBELER - ...Let me go back now for just a moment and ask you how many shots you heard altogether.
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I thought I heard two, it could be three, because to my estimation I thought he was hit on the second--I really don't know. The whole thing that has been transpiring--it was very upsetting and as you see I got a little better all the time and this came up again and it to me looked like the second shot, but I don't know. I never even heard a third shot.
So like the Warren Commission’s (WC) star witness, Howard Brennan, Zapruder ONLY heard two shots that he could be sure of! The WC and FBI said three shots were fired. ALL WC defenders say three shots were fired, but here are two witnesses that said ONLY two shots were fired! This is an issue for them.
Now look at this interesting comment.
Mr. LIEBELER - You didn't hear any shot after you saw him hit?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I heard the second--after the first shot--I saw him leaning over and after the second shot--it's possible after what I saw, you know, then I started yelling, "They killed him, they killed him," and I just felt that somebody had ganged up on him and I was still shooting the pictures until he got under the underpass--I don't even know how I did it. And then, I didn't even remember how I got down from that abutment there, but there I was, I guess, and I was walking toward--back toward my office and screaming, "They killed him, they killed him," and the people that I met on the way didn't even know what happened and they kept yelling, "What happened, what happened, what happened?" It seemed that they had heard a shot but they didn't know exactly what had happened as the car sped away, and I kept on just yelling, "They killed him, they killed him, they killed him," and finally got to my office and my secretary--I told her to call the police or the Secret Service--I don't know what she was doing, and that's about all. I was very much upset. Naturally, I couldn't imagine such a thing being done. I just went to my desk and stopped there until the police came and then we were required to get a place to develop the films. I knew I had something, I figured it might be of some help--I didn't know what.
As to what happened--I remember the police were running behind me. There were police running right behind me. Of course, they didn't realize yet, I guess, where the shot came from--that it came from that height.
Mr. LIEBELER - As you were standing on this abutment facing Elm street, you say the police ran over behind the concrete structure behind you and down the railroad track behind that, is that right?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - After the shots?
Mr. LIEBELER - Yes.
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Yes--after the shots--yes, some of them were motorcycle cops--I guess they left their motorcycles running and they were running right behind me, of course, in the line of the shooting. I guess they thought it came from right behind me.
So we see from this comment that the cops believed the shots came from BEHIND him in the area of the GK and the railroad tracks. I have had LNers tell me this comment was meant for the TSBD, but if you look at the map of DP and see where Zapruder was standing there is NO way he was referring to the TSBD. Luckily too, the WC counsel makes it clear for us what he meant by saying the "railroad tracks." Zapruder shows us the cops were reacting to shots from the GK area despite what the WC claimed.
Now, they ask him where he thought the shots originated from.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you have any impression as to the direction from which these shots came?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - No, I also thought it came from back of me. Of course, you can't tell when something is in line it could come from anywhere, but being I was here and he was hit on this line and he was hit right in the head--I saw it right around here, so it looked like it came from here and it could come from there.
Mr. LIEBELER - All right, as you stood here on the abutment and looked down into Elm Street, you saw the President hit on the right side of the head and you thought perhaps the shots had come from behind you?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - From the direction behind you?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Yes, actually--I couldn't say what I thought at the moment, where they came from--after the impact of the tragedy was really what I saw and I started and I said--yelling, "They've killed him"--I assumed that they came from there, because as the police started running back of me, it looked like it came from the back of me.
So despite him saying several times he believed they came from behind him the WC kept on asking to shake him of it. Finally, they got the word they were looking for -- assumed -- but unfortunately for them it was a good one since the police were RUNNING in that direction! But the WC did NOT give up.
Mr. LIEBELER - But you didn't form any opinion at that time as to what direction the shots did come from actually?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - No.
Really? I thought he formed the opinion the shots came from behind him BASED ON THE FACT THE POLICE WERE RUNNING THERE? Again, we see the WC working a witness who did NOT say what they wanted to hear UNTIL they did say what they wanted to hear. I think it is clear from what he said that he believed, and the cops of the DPD he mentioned, believed he shots came from the GK area near the railroad tracks. That SINKS the conclusion of the WC as they said the shots came from ONLY the TSBD.